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Kyle (Ion) and Hal (Parallax) set out to destroy AM because there's not enough room in this multiverse for the three of them.

Can the two defeat this powerhouse?

I don't care either way. So I leave it up to you all.

I would say Ion and Parallax for the win...i can be discouraged though with enough evidence

Anti-Monitor destroyed Oa and the central battery by turning it's power back onto itself. As powerful as Ion and Parallax are, this is one time that they are outclassed.

Didn't Parallax destroy many universes on his own and quickly?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Didn't Parallax destroy many universes on his own and quickly?

Infinite universes> many universes. AM destroyed the Multiverse. There's no comparison.

Kyle and Hal as Ion and Parallex can kill the Anti Monitor.

Yo.

they have NO HOPE of killing the A-M.




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

they have NO HOPE of killing the A-M.




Tazer


Why not?

Yo.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Why not?

again, remember how he trapped the Oans??

Ion & Parallax were basically as powerful as them (could be argued as MORE powerful admittedly), w/FAR LESS of their knowledge......yet they got PWNED by him/it.

then theres also the fact that even his shades were highly resistant to the GE, and they were just his shades.

those 2 would lose here




Tazer

AM takes this for aforementioned reasons.

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Good point.

Ion and Parallax had to use actual power and not technology to achieve their feats.

No comparison at all.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Your bias towards AM is funny.

Can you show me one instance during COIE which specifically states AM HAD to use tech?

Originally posted by Nikkolas


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/aae.jpg

How many times does this bullshit have to be disproved? Read the god damn respect thread. The Anti-matter wave was from the AM alone. The universe absorbing was the AM alone, the destruction of creation and end of the multiverse was the AM and spectre.

They lose, plain and ****ing simple.

The whole argument over Anti-Monitor and his tech was settled in the last two threads.

AM never absorbed any universeon his own except his own Anti-Matter Universe.

Unless you have proof otherwise?

Yo.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The whole argument over Anti-Monitor and his tech was settled in the last two threads.

AM never absorbed any universeon his own except his own Anti-Matter Universe.

Unless you have proof otherwise?

do U have proof that A-M used tech to eliminate Earth-3's realm, and all of those b4 it??




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

do U have proof that A-M used tech to eliminate Earth-3's realm, and all of those b4 it??


Tazer

The fact that his counterpart's response was to use tech srug

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



do U have proof that A-M used tech to eliminate Earth-3's realm, and all of those b4 it??




Tazer An extreme bias towards AM is all he seems to need.

Team.

It's more like your own bias is all that is needed to see your claims are baseless and have been proven so again and again by Darthgoober.

Least he has evidence for what he says.

Yo.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The fact that his counterpart's response was to use tech srug

how does Monitors need to use tech to hold 5 realms in a safety grip prove that A-M needed tech to destroy Earth-3 and all the others previous??




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



how does Monitors need to use tech to hold 5 realms in a safety grip prove that A-M needed tech to destroy Earth-3 and all the others previous??




Tazer

Besides the energy blasts they showed just about everything that the Monitor did used tech.

I am still going with Classic Ion and Parallax for the win

I have the COIE and i have read Darthgoobers take on matters,here is his take in this thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8018924& amp;highlight=Anti+monitor+forumid%3A77+userid%3A9
9400#post8018924

I am not speaking for Darthgoober or trying to bring him into this(he might have changed his stance?) and since i have not read my countdown comics yet(i think there is some retconning going on) i might be wrong

Supergirl nearly killed AM-Qwad weapons hurt him,Flash Etc..
He used up all his power from his anti-matter universe to get to the creation point in time(begining of time) and needed all the heroes energy to succeed

He then fights spectre-who is tapping into a group of mages in order to defeat the AM-which he does...but not totally...AM is still alive after and spectre is in a coma-i beleive its PIS to Have spectre involved and not totally defeat the AM

I am not saying i totally agree with Darthgoobers theory about weaker universes,but it his take on this does show(to me) that the AM is not all he is hyped up to be on these boards, having the original COIE and re-read it....i am saying that classic ION and Parallax will defeat the AM

Originally posted by starlock
I have the COIE and i have read Darthgoobers take on matters,here is his take in this thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8018924& amp;highlight=Anti+monitor+forumid%3A77+userid%3A9
9400#post8018924


Thats a great bit of work there.

Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount of Universes was revealed:

http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208131/am1.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208132/am2.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208133/am3.jpg





And also this little tidbit...

Phantom Stranger comments on Spectre's energy, ...


Phantom Stranger-

"To summon the essence of the still comatose Spectre, to bring forth his infinite energies":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_spec_crisis.jpg


Yet even an "infinite" amount of energy, still wasn't enough to destroy AM..

And for all those saying the team wins, I urge you to look at this...


AM 'warps' the energies of the Central Battery, , and uses it against the Guardians:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_am_cb.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
And for all those saying the team wins, I urge you to look at this...


AM 'warps' the energies of the Central Battery, , and uses it against the Guardians:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6974/am8ib4.th.jpg

I thought Parallax was powered by, well Parallax.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought Parallax was powered by, well Parallax. And the Central Battery. 313

Originally posted by Galan007
Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount of Universes was revealed:

http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208131/am1.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208132/am2.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208133/am3.jpg





And also this little tidbit...

Phantom Stranger comments on Spectre's energy, ...


Phantom Stranger-

"To summon the essence of the still comatose Spectre, to bring forth his infinite energies":

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_spec_crisis.jpg


Yet even an "infinite" amount of energy, still wasn't enough to destroy AM..

I had a feeling countdown was going over stuff i have not read all my countdowns....that being said i can understand supergirl going out with a showing greater than she could normally do..but when you add the other factors that hurt AM...there has to be pis somewhere....now they could have left out other scenes of the AM looking bad but they did not, so we have either many instances of pis or one

So i think the spectre's showing are pis...his involvement was just to show what the stakes were

Its just my opinon and it might be changed...but it has nothing to do with weaker universes and powers of the universe and such..it has to do with re-reading the COIE and seeing alot of things that did not fit...so i say i will take the spectre involvement as pis rather than many instances of pis thruout the series

Originally posted by Galan007
And the Central Battery. 313

Batterys don't fight back 131

Originally posted by Galan007
And for all those saying the team wins, I urge you to look at this...


AM 'warps' the energies of the Central Battery, , and uses it against the Guardians:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_am_cb.jpg Also if you read this scan a little closer, you'll note a Guardian saying...


"We discovered it's, , presence twelve cycles ago. Power insinuating our Universe..."

"Power which has already swept through most of the other dimensional planes.":

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1225980/amcb.jpg


The boldened line further disproves the theory of all the Universes being one in the same, imo.

Originally posted by starlock
I had a feeling countdown was going over stuff i have not read all my countdowns....that being said i can understand supergirl going out with a showing greater than she could normally do..but when you add the other factors that hurt AM...there has to be pis somewhere....now they could have left out other scenes of the AM looking bad but they did not, so we have either many instances of pis or one

So i think the spectre's showing are pis...his involvement was just to show what the stakes were

Its just my opinon and it might be changed...but it has nothing to do with weaker universes and powers of the universe and such..it has to do with re-reading the COIE and seeing alot of things that did not fit...so i say i will take the spectre involvement as pis rather than many instances of pis thruout the series You may think Spectre's involvement was PIS, but it was also necessary. As Spectre was the only being who had a chance of beating AM..

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Batterys don't fight back 131 With the right 'direction', they do.. 13jockey

Yo.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Besides the energy blasts they showed just about everything that the Monitor did used tech.

none of which proves that the *A-M needed tech* to eliminate Earth-3 or anything previously.




Tazer

Originally posted by Galan007
You may think Spectre's involvement was PIS, but it was also necessary. As Spectre was the only being who had a chance of beating AM..


That does not make sense to me,if AM was powerless after getting to the creation point...and if the heroes never went there...he would never have been a threat...right? he needed the heroes..he basicly out preped them... and they got drained

So supergirls chance was what when she almost destroyed him?

You dont find it weird that AM had only the heroes power as stated by him and spectre needed to tap into the mages...and AM still survived..his plans were thwarted ,but AM still came back as a threat

I admit i am only trying to understand it myself,i actually value your opinons,it hard for me to let go of the idea that pis is definetly involved in the series its just where it interferes with feats and power levels,i really dont think spectre needed to tap into the mages and that AM was not totally destroyed by it

Yo.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Batterys don't fight back 131

which doesnt mean much since he took down the Oans along w/the CPB, and had them trapped & suspended by *IIRC* its energies, only to be released (and some killed upon release) when some members of the GLC entered the central chamber.




Tazer

Originally posted by starlock
That does not make sense to me,if AM was powerless after getting to the creation point...and if the heroes never went there...he would never have been a threat...right? he needed the heroes..he basicly out preped them... and they got drained

So supergirls chance was what when she almost destroyed him?

You dont find it weird that AM had only the heroes power as stated by him and spectre needed to tap into the mages...and AM still survived..his plans were thwarted ,but AM still came back as a threat

I admit i am only trying to understand it myself,i actually value your opinons,it hard for me to let go of the idea that pis is definetly involved in the series its just where it interferes with feats and power levels,i really dont think spectre needed to tap into the mages and that AM was not totally destroyed by it AM clearly had more power in him then just that of the heroes, or else Spectre's creation destroying blast would have utterly destroyed him.


Now if one thing is PIS, it's Supergirl "nearly destroying AM".

DC was losing her and probably wanted a grand finale, but we know that she couldn't have really "nearly destroyed" AM, based on what he survived from Spectre.

Also, a few pages after the Supergirl incident, AM had already reformed a new shell around himself.

Originally posted by Galan007
AM clearly had more power in him then just that of the heroes, or else Spectre's creation destroying blast would have utterly destroyed him.


Now if one thing is PIS, it's Supergirl "nearly destroying AM".

DC was losing her and probably wanted a grand finale, but we know that she couldn't have really "nearly destroyed" AM, based on what he survived from Spectre.

Also, a few pages after the Supergirl incident, AM had already reformed a new shell around himself.

This is why i love this site hehe,much props Galaan0007

But AM saying he only had the heroes power ..he says he was powerless because he would have did his deed without them...so i think that lends credit that spectre's involvement was pis

I would agree with your assesment on supergirl..if the qwardranians did not hurt AM and flash's involment also.etc..they could have left that stuff out(not supergirls feats) and i might tend to agree

Ultimalely he was beaten by earth 2 superman,and all i would have to do is call spectre's involment pis and that solves alot of problems with one character....other wise alot of characters were involved in pis moments

But that is the great thing about debating...we all have our way of coming to a point of view and in that we can understand why each of us have different views and we might disagree..but ultimaly we are in agreement that COIE was a great event and that counts for our love of comics

Originally posted by starlock
Ultimalely he was beaten by earth 2 superman Only after AM was severely weakened.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought Parallax was powered by, well Parallax. Incase you were curious:

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1226637/cb1.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1226638/cb2.jpg http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1226639/cb3.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1226640/cb4.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1226641/cb5.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount oUniverses was revealed:

http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208131/am1.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208132/am2.jpg http://i80.imagethrust.com/t/1208133/am3.jpg

Not a theory. FACT. All the positive matter universes were brought into teh Anti-Matter Universe and then AM absorbed it.




A LOT of cosmic beings have infinite energy. This has already been pointed out to you several times.




Just like A-M destroyed an infinite number of universes one by one..DC's infinite sucks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also if you read this scan a little closer, you'll note a Guardian saying...


"We discovered it's, , presence twelve cycles ago. Power insinuating our Universe..."

"Power which has already swept through most of the other dimensional planes.":

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1225980/amcb.jpg


The boldened line further disproves the theory of all the Universes being one in the same, imo.

Exactly...how? It doesn't negate what the Monitor flatly said.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Exactly...how? It doesn't negate what the Monitor flatly said. The Guardian says "other dimensional planes", meaning dimensional planes separate from the one he was in.

B.

I don't think it's so much that the Anti-Monitor was completely out of energy at the dawn of time just that he didn't have the energy to accomplish what he was wanting to do. Which of course, is the total destruction of an entire multiverse at once.
This is also evident in the fact that they attacked all at once with power that would level solar systems, and it didn't even phase him, and he casually waved a hand and had all of them under his power.

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't think it's so much that the Anti-Monitor was completely out of energy at the dawn of time just that he didn't have the energy to accomplish what he was wanting to do. Which of course, is the total destruction of an entire multiverse at once.
This is also evident in the fact that they attacked all at once with power that would level solar systems, and it didn't even phase him, and he casually waved a hand and had all of them under his power. This is true.


Also,

If AM was completely depowered when he absorbed the power of that band of heroes, and this was truly all the energy he was running on..

There is no way he could have survived a Multiversal destroying blast, directly from Spectre.

Alot of whats being said is just making me feel more like the spectre involvment was PIS...it all hinges on the fact that AM would not have survived the fight with spectre unless he was so dangerously powerfull?

I have seen many arguments about on panel words describing a state of power and most i can remember were backed up by most posters..and yet AM must have had energy despite what was said by AM himself?


So how does Parallax(hal) beating the spectre while fighting the heroes at the same time in zero hour look to you guys?

Anti Monitor says things about his power trying to breach a wall of creation to redo the universe at the dawn of time

Yet parallax seemed like he was rewrighting the universe,do you think parallax could have made just one universe composed of just anti matter?

Originally posted by starlock
Alot of whats being said is just making me feel more like the spectre involvment was PIS...it all hinges on the fact that AM would not have survived the fight with spectre unless he was so dangerously powerfull?

I have seen many arguments about on panel words describing a state of power and most i can remember were backed up by most posters..and yet AM must have had energy despite what was said by AM himself?


So how does Parallax(hal) beating the spectre while fighting the heroes at the same time in zero hour look to you guys?

Anti Monitor says things about his power trying to breach a wall of creation to redo the universe at the dawn of time

Yet parallax seemed like he was rewrighting the universe,do you think parallax could have made just one universe composed of just anti matter? Spectre is the one attributed to Hal's defeat as well, though he did not strike the final blows as seen in the History of the DCU and Spectre's older Secret Files and according to Hal himself as The Spectre later on. Same was the case with the Anti-Monitor. It apperently wasn't his responsibility to destroy the threats, only end the threat as it was. Hal was left powerless after his fight Spectre, who then popped off another Big Bang. The heros were focusing a good portion of Hal's energy draind from his globules of energy that would form his new universe- into Damage, but the remark from Damage, leaves the reader with the idea that regardless of the amount of energy they were pouring in, Spectre was doing the bulk of the work and this was after Hal was already dried up and defeated. Hal in no way or form defeated Spectre.

Anti-Monitor's power doesn't only hinge on that however, as I pointed out, he was shrugging off attacks that would level solar systems without effort and then casually waved a hand and had the entire armada of heros under his power. It's not speculation to say he wasn't out of energy, it's clearly fact. He just needed more to do what he wanted to do, which was demolish an entire multiverse in one shot.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre is the one attributed to Hal's defeat as well, though he did not strike the final blows as seen in the History of the DCU and Spectre's older Secret Files and according to Hal himself as The Spectre later on. Same was the case with the Anti-Monitor. It apperently wasn't his responsibility to destroy the threats, only end the threat as it was. Hal was left powerless after his fight Spectre, who then popped off another Big Bang. The heros were focusing a good portion of Hal's energy draind from his globules of energy that would form his new universe- into Damage, but the remark from Damage, leaves the reader with the idea that regardless of the amount of energy they were pouring in, Spectre was doing the bulk of the work and this was after Hal was already dried up and defeated. Hal in no way or form defeated Spectre.

Anti-Monitor's power doesn't only hinge on that however, as I pointed out, he was shrugging off attacks that would level solar systems without effort and then casually waved a hand and had the entire armada of heros under his power. It's not speculation to say he wasn't out of energy, it's clearly fact. He just needed more to do what he wanted to do, which was demolish an entire multiverse in one shot.

Hal Parallax still had energy left...Kyle said "spectre's sacrifice" and he weakend him(very different then powerless) as we see parallax blast spectre the spectre says aarrgghhhh and is gone,parallax was still fighting for a bit after....so he clearly was not drained fully..
.yet AM saying he was without power...means he really was not? its not a very fair assesment if you ask me...but thanks for the reply

AM shrugging off attacks of solar system levels could have been him draining them slowly and when he had sufficent energy he took them out with one quick drain....alot of this questioning has to do with debates that use certain criteria for feats and descriptions of on panel...feats and narrative..it just does not fit with what i have witnessed during my time here

AM states he had no energy and needed the heroes energy-yet he must haven had energy is the answer i get...hard to swallow...now i admit i am only up to issue 47 of countdown so i have not seen recent info from the monitors..i will be reading it soon.....thanks

I think Paralaxx defeated Spectre...as shown in zero hour...i cant recall later mentions from spectre hal...so i will see if i have revelant issues and see if there is some conection and info that helps

Originally posted by starlock
AM shrugging off attacks of solar system levels could have been him draining them slowly and when he had sufficent energy he took them out with one quick drain.... This is speculation, as there is no real basis behind it.

Originally posted by starlock
AM states he had no energy and needed the heroes energy-yet he must have had energy is the answer i get...hard to swallow... This is fact.

By on panel showings, we can say for sure that AM clearly wasn't "depowered" when he absorbed the energy of those heroes.

Originally posted by starlock
Hal Parallax still had energy left...Kyle said "spectre's sacrifice" and he weakend him(very different then powerless) as we see parallax blast spectre the spectre says aarrgghhhh and is gone,parallax was still fighting for a bit after....so he clearly was not drained fully..
.yet AM saying he was without power...means he really was not? its not a very fair assesment if you ask me...but thanks for the reply

AM shrugging off attacks of solar system levels could have been him draining them slowly and when he had sufficent energy he took them out with one quick drain....alot of this questioning has to do with debates that use certain criteria for feats and descriptions of on panel...feats and narrative..it just does not fit with what i have witnessed during my time here

AM states he had no energy and needed the heroes energy-yet he must haven had energy is the answer i get...hard to swallow...now i admit i am only up to issue 47 of countdown so i have not seen recent info from the monitors..i will be reading it soon.....thanks

I think Paralaxx defeated Spectre...as shown in zero hour...i cant recall later mentions from spectre hal...so i will see if i have revelant issues and see if there is some conection and info that helps What Kyle said is ambiguous in that "Spectre's sacrifice" can mean anything pertaining to the situation...however, Spectre popped up shortly after and by Damage's claim, apperently had more energy than Hal was using to create the new universe. The heros drained his universe into base energy and dumped it into Damage, yet Spectre's was apperently far greater. Which shows he was far from defeated.

The history of the DCU, Secret Files, and Hal Jordan himself and also I believe Abin Sur, all attributed Hal's defeat to Spectre. Clearly your take and what was written and intended are very different.

You claim it's speculation to say that Anti-Monitor had power at the dawn of time, and in the very story, he proves is all but powerless, and then you completely fabricate your own explanation on how he was and then came up with the power? Interesting.

If he says he's depowered, he's depowered. I don't think it's cool to dispute what's flatly stated.

Hal was so drained after fighting Spectre that he was wrestled and hit with a baratang and an arrow to cause his defeat, while Spectre easily poured enough energy into Damage to restart creation. I wonder who would have won that fight if Spectre would have kept fighting....

Originally posted by Galan007
This is speculation, as there is no real basis behind it.

This is fact.

By on panel showings, we can say for sure that AM clearly wasn't "depowered" when he absorbed the energy of those heroes.


No real basis...so on panel statement from AM and then he drains them ?if thats speculation,for sure its speculation he had energy when he states on panel by himself he did not

Now galaan how is it fact? its your opinon-why because spectre's involment? because he shrugged off the heroes attacks? this does not sound like a great argument according to many other threads that insist on-on panel proof and artistict representation..let alone statements from the AM himself

He is in armor as he calls a presence around him,you can still have no power and still be durable as hell
as a matter of fact AM could be sleeping in armor and if its greater than the force attacking it AM would not be hurt

But i will let it rest and respect everyones view...as long as in the future when a simular argument is presented..it is met with the same criteria...no problem

Originally posted by Nikkolas
If he says he's depowered, he's depowered. I don't think it's cool to dispute what's flatly stated. Yet, before putting his field around the heros, he first shrugged off the solar sytem wiping attacks, and then spread his arms and caused a wave of power that knocked the entire armada of heros unconscious. THEN started draining their power and talked about how he had expended his power. If Superman is telling me how he has expended all his power on panel, but is in the same panel spinning a continent on his finger, I'm not likely to believe it. He did the feats under his own power, he just needed more. It's CLEARLY in the story.

Originally posted by starlock
No real basis...so on panel statement from AM and then he drains them ?if thats speculation,for sure its speculation he had energy when he states on panel by himself he did not

Now galaan how is it fact? its your opinon-why because spectre's involment? because he shrugged off the heroes attacks? this does not sound like a great argument according to many other threads that insist on-on panel proof and artistict representation..let alone statements from the AM himself

He is in armor as he calls a presence around him,you can still have no power and still be durable as hell
as a matter of fact AM could be sleeping in armor and if its greater than the force attacking it AM would not be hurt

But i will let it rest and respect everyones view...as long as in the future when a simular argument is presented..it is met with the same criteria...no problem He declared that traveling to the dawn of time expended his power AFTER taking their attacks AND defeating them in a wave of energy. All of this was also before he put his energy field over them and began draining them.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yet, before putting his field around the heros, he first shrugged off the solar sytem wiping attacks, and then spread his arms and caused a wave of power that knocked the entire armada of heros unconscious. THEN started draining their power and talked about how he had expended his power. If Superman is telling me how he has expended all his power on panel, but is in the same panel spinning a continent on his finger, I'm not likely to believe it. He did the feats under his own power, he just needed more. It's CLEARLY in the story.

In the way you describe it,he drained his last of his power shrugging off the attack and sending a wave of power to make them unconsious?

When superman finishes spinning a continent around his finger...and then states he has no power left..i would believe him,would you?

Originally posted by Juntai
He declared that traveling to the dawn of time expended his power AFTER taking their attacks AND defeating them in a wave of energy. All of this was also before he put his energy field over them and began draining them.

I understand where some are coming from i do...but when the same arguments are used in other threads...this type of logic gets shot down.fast..i actually believe we should not believe everything if there is on panel proof,i just want to see where it leeds to,from a neutral point of view because PIS does happen its a part of comics..but figuring out what is..is not an easy task

Originally posted by starlock
In the way you describe it,he drained his last of his power shrugging off the attack and sending a wave of power to make them unconsious?

When superman finishes spinning a continent around his finger...and then states he has no power left..i would believe him,would you? You're changing the context of your arguement now, instead of backtracking and sidewinding off on tangents with each subsequent post, or just making shit up like you were doing a couple posts ago, why don't you just admit you were wrong?

Anti-Monitor said his energy was depleted during his breaching of the wall of creation while he was draining power from the heros. This clearly was not true, since in the previous pages he took the direct attack of, and easily defeated in one spectacular show of power - the biggest gathering of the most powerful heros existance had ever seen with a single omnidirection wave of energy.

He obviously still a lot of power, he just needed MORE to wipe out a multiverse in a single shot.

Originally posted by starlock
I understand where some are coming from i do...but when the same arguments are used in other threads...this type of logic gets shot down.fast..i actually believe we should not believe everything if there is on panel proof,i just want to see where it leeds to,from a neutral point of view because PIS does happen its a part of comics..but figuring out what is..is not an easy task Say someone was holding up a pen.

Now you could see with your own eyes that the color of this pen was unarguably red...

Would you disregard what you could clearly see, if this person said that the pen was blue?

Originally posted by Juntai
You're changing the context of your arguement now, instead of backtracking and sidewinding off on tangents with each subsequent post, or just making shit up like you were doing a couple posts ago, why don't you just admit you were wrong?

Anti-Monitor said his energy was depleted during his breaching of the wall of creation while he was draining power from the heros. This clearly was not true, since in the previous pages he took the direct attack of, and easily defeated in one spectacular show of power - the biggest gathering of the most powerful heros existance had ever seen with a single omnidirection wave of energy.

He obviously still a lot of power, he just needed MORE to wipe out a multiverse in a single shot.

Relax juntai,stop your postering..it does not work on me...getting angry about somthing are we? how can i be wrong when i dont know the answer? i am trying to find out...thru you and other posters..stop crying

Your desciption of my debating is wrong..i am trying to figure out where pis is in the COIE...so i guess its Supergirl...the qwards and flash and all the heroes...not one character called spectre ok no problem

Even in the narrative when they are blasting him with the power to wipe solar systems, in the very next panel after Anti-Monitor is unphased.

"But the Anti-Monitor has absorbed the total energy of his entire universe.", was the narrators explanation as to why the attack meant nothing to him.

He still had a ton of power, just not enough to destroy the entire multiverse in one shot.

So he drained them, and explained,
"There, your own energies shall change the course of history-- for only here, before creation can the future be changed. When Krona taps the cosmic forces, opening the door between matter and anti-matter... It shall be my hand he sees! My hand which shall destroy the positive matter multiverse for now and forever."


He clearly had a lot of power, it's in the books, and on the panels. Don't ride one phrase of him saying he had expended his power, meaning he had NO power, when he clearly displays he does right before he says it. He just needed more, then explained why.

Originally posted by Galan007
Say someone was holding up a pen.

Now you could see with your own eyes that the color of this pen was unarguably red...

Would you disregard what you could clearly see, if this person said that the pen was blue?

Assuming i see the pen writing and i see the ink from the same pen..i would say its red...Thanks but i dont see it as a good analogy for this argument..but thanks for the polite reply

Originally posted by starlock
Assuming i see the pen writing and i see the ink from the same pen..i would say its red...Thanks but i dont see it as a good analogy for this argument..but thanks for the polite reply Of course it is..

Because you can CLEARLY see that one thing is happening, but you'd rather pick apart what that same character is saying.. Despite it directly contradicting what he is actually doing on panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Of course it is..

Because you can CLEARLY see that one thing is happening, but you'd rather pick apart what that same character is saying.. Despite it directly contradicting what he is actually doing on panel.

Of course i am..i am trying to find out how the boards see things...so yes i am taking things apart and attacking them from different directions
such as supergirl the qwards ,flash...etc

The truth is..i have only made one thread..it has to do with roleplaying characters using the marvel system to run fights..i have never made actual threads with a versus battle....i want to start soon..but i dont want to make them just to get my post count high...i want to make some real good ones..where pis and cis can be easily explained or not used in a way to make the thread stupid or invalid....

It is on purpose i have chosen you and juntai and others in a thread like this...you guys are some of the best debators i have seen here...and i do value what you say...i have not been insulting or disrespectfull..just curious and intriged by a great story as COIE and a very curious character as spectre ( who i have followed early in his comic but stopped many many years ago)