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Of all the street-levelers in 616, which is the top? If you can't think of just 1, name 3 at the most. These people must have the feats and fights to back up they could take on about 99% of any other street-leveler and beat them in a fair fight.

I don't consider Spidey a street-leveler so we're excluding him for this thread.

daredevil

so I am to assume wolverine, sabertoothm cyber, omega red and so on are all consider low mid tier characters. So they are not allowed as well?

Wolverine is not Spidey's level, no matter what people say. He doesn't have the strength or speed to be mid-tier.

Sabes...how strong is he with the Weapon X power-up?

No idea about Omega Red or Cyber.

You know im gonna go for Cap. Beat that. Thats cap in the dying and weaker body of Red Skull taking out Goliath and Yellowjacket.

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after that its DD then..I would have thought it was Shang..maybe.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so I am to assume wolverine, sabertoothm cyber, omega red and so on are all consider low mid tier characters. So they are not allowed as well?

Wolverine is street level. The others aren't (except maybe cyber)

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Wolverine is not Spidey's level, no matter what people say. He doesn't have the strength or speed to be mid-tier.

Sabes...how strong is he with the Weapon X power-up?

No idea about Omega Red or Cyber.
Dude who said strength or speed defines your tier?

First off Logan has higher durability then spiderman

Logan has far superior damage soaking power and healing.

Hell his healing a lone pritty much makes him above street level.


Also Logan and spidermans speed are quite even givewn the feats.



sabes is as strong as spiderman if not mroe so and many times mroe durable.

Strength does not define your rank.

Exitar.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wolverine is street level. The others aren't (except maybe cyber) How wolverine street level? I love to know.

also most of the forum disagree with you. Hvae you been on the tier thread latly? Logans listed as mid tier.

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar


That above is the list of character jsut above street level. This is what the forum has voted on and so forth. If you want to argue it then go to the tier page and argue.

Is Iron Fist street level?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How wolverine street level? I love to know.

Lack of versatility. Heavy reliance on skill to make up for lack of truly superhuman stats.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also most of the forum disagree with you. Hvae you been on the tier thread latly? Logans listed as mid tier.

There's really no huge difference between the most powerful in high street and those in low mid tier.

Puck's underated

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar


That above is the list of character jsut above street level. This is what the forum has voted on and so forth. If you want to argue it then go to the tier page and argue.

Appeal to the majority fallacy.

there doesn't need to be a wolverine fight in every thread. he's not particularly strong and from time to time he operates on streets. for once, let that be enough, and just vote for him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Lack of versatility. Heavy reliance on skill to make up for lack of truly superhuman stats.



There's really no huge difference between the most powerful in high street and those in low mid tier.

Logan has superhuman speed, agility, senses, reflexes, strength. durability, stamina, enchanced brain, healing factor. So I am loving how you think Logan a street leveler.

Originally posted by Disappear
there doesn't need to be a wolverine fight in every thread. he's not particularly strong and from time to time he operates on streets. for once, let that be enough, and just vote for him.
The forum agreed in the tier thread that he not street. If you try to put him at street for this he wins. Pritty readily. It stupid to assume spidermans not street and then put some one Like wolverine in street level when he been listed before as having a higher level of power.

TOAA

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan has superhuman speed, agility, senses, reflexes, strength. durability, stamina, enchanced brain, healing factor. So I am loving how you think Logan a street leveler.

Not at superhuman levels. They're at peak except for his HF and senses.

btw. Enhanced brain?

Then king of streets is likely capt or DD or underworld or maverick though maverick may be higher then street level.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The forum agreed in the tier thread that he not street. If you try to put him at street for this he wins. Pritty readily. It stupid to assume spidermans not street and then put some one Like wolverine in street level when he been listed before as having a higher level of power.

A higher level of power than Spiderman?

*sigh*

Since I know without a doubt you'll never stop bitching about this we'll just say Cap is th best and leave it at that.

if you don't think he's street level, why the hell'd you even bring him up, man? seriously, what's the point? nobody else said dick about him, but you bring him up specifically to argue that he's not street level? what goes through your head?

and, for the record, i still vote for daredevil.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not at superhuman levels. They're at peak except for his HF and senses.

btw. Enhanced brain?
really now what has Logans stats eve rbeen listed in a comic as peakhuman? Never. They ahve how ever been listed at superhuman

Logans speed feats and reflex feats are almost on par with spidermans.

His agility feats have matched that of beast and night crawler tot he point wer epeople thoguht he was them.

Enchanced brain is true. In order to see bulletsin slow motion your brain would need to be enchanced as is spiderman. It does not make them smarter it allows them to few information at a faster levcel.


I gotta love people who don't read wolverine.

no more wolverine talk. it kills threads dead. capt, just start a thread about wolverine where you can argue all your points. please.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
really now what has Logans stats eve rbeen listed in a comic as peakhuman? Never. They ahve how ever been listed at superhuman

Logans speed feats and reflex feats are almost on par with spidermans.

His agility feats have matched that of beast and night crawler tot he point wer epeople thoguht he was them.

Enchanced brain is true. In order to see bulletsin slow motion your brain would need to be enchanced as is spiderman. It does not make them smarter it allows them to few information at a faster levcel.


I gotta love people who don't read wolverine.

Just about all the same things can be said about CaptainAmerica

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ya underworld couldl deffiently take capt or DD the majority.

He has all of capts stats. Then he has a healing factor. He also has a level 5 fighting skill which is quite impressive.


He pritty bad ass.

i say Iron Fist.

What's the borderline of what everyone is going to consider street level? peak human abilities?

Batman.

currently, i'd still give iron fist a close second or third, putting him beneath daredevil and on par with captain america. he's certainly skilled, and if brubaker and fraction keep up this new expansion of his skill and powers in immortal iron fist, he could easily step into the number one slot.

street-level's a pain in the ass "tier" to qualify people, because it's not named after a strength level. it's named more closely for those heroes whose activities keep them close to the streets, dealing with more realistic crimes than those in the superhuman community at large. luke cage is an example of a hero who should be "street level" because of his history in heroing; but is often considered "too strong;" whereas physically weaker heroes such as captain america are put in this group despite having a history dealing with larger-than-life, superhuman foes and conflicts.

what about underworld? How DD going to take underworld the majority?

Also I give IF the majority over DD any day.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Batman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar


That above is the list of character jsut above street level. This is what the forum has voted on and so forth. If you want to argue it then go to the tier page and argue.

you have got to be f ****in kiddin me with this list dude:
WARPATH!!!!!
killer croc
SPIDERMAN!!!!!
BEAST!!!!!!!
luke cage
tombstone
MISTER HYDE!!!
are just above street level!???

Ok why is DD top? Im going Cap, DD IF

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what about underworld? How DD going to take underworld the majority?

Also I give IF the majority over DD any day.

underworld hasn't done nearly enough to make a solid impression on me. and, in their one fight in recent history, murdock seemed to have the advantage over danny. so, there's that.

i choose daredevil because he's the hero who, i believe, has the longest running and best record in the field of "street level" crime fighting and general superheroism. whether cap or iron fist could beat him one-on-one is dubious, and irrelevant to my decision.

also, i've been reading a lot of daredevil lately.

Originally posted by Disappear
underworld hasn't done nearly enough to make a solid impression on me. and, in their one fight in recent history, murdock seemed to have the advantage over danny. so, there's that.

i choose daredevil because he's the hero who, i believe, has the longest running and best record in the field of "street level" crime fighting and general superheroism. whether cap or iron fist could beat him one-on-one is dubious, and irrelevant to my decision.

also, i've been reading a lot of daredevil lately.



Originally posted by Nikkolas
These people must have the feats and fights to back up they could take on about 99% of any other street-leveler and beat them in a fair fight.


Anyway Nikkolas said that you mus have feats and fights to back up what you said. All you've done is said is basically I think DD is top.

The MA rankings is a good place to start.

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
The MA rankings is a good place to start.

What the KMC ranking. Arent DD, Cap and IF all tier one?

I heard somewhere that Ghostrider were a startleveler

Wolverine is the cusp of the Mid Tier. He's not above losing to a Street Leveler, but he can hold his own against top tiers.

Anyway, Cap is the king of Street Level, then you've got your Black Panther/Shang-Chi/Iron Fist/Daredevil

Definately captain america ..........god bless america (i'm not even american)

Originally posted by ankur29
Definately captain america ..........god bless america (i'm not even american)

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Anyway Nikkolas said that you mus have feats and fights to back up what you said. All you've done is said is basically I think DD is top.

and you said the same about captain america. and, i also pointed out daredevil's advantage over IF in the post you quoted to say i didn't say anything.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Dude who said strength or speed defines your tier?

First off Logan has higher durability then spiderman

Logan has far superior damage soaking power and healing.

Hell his healing a lone pritty much makes him above street level.


Also Logan and spidermans speed are quite even givewn the feats.



sabes is as strong as spiderman if not mroe so and many times mroe durable.

Strength does not define your rank.



Spiderman is out of his league. The only way Wolvy can win (more than Spidey wins) is if he has area advantage.

NO. NO MORE WOLVERINE TALK; GOOD OR BAD. EITHER VOTE FOR HIM OR DON'T.

if you want to discuss whether or not he's up to another character's level, take it somewhere else. i'm sick of seeing this type of shit infecting threads.

Wonders how the likes of Daredevil, Captain America, could actually hurt Puck?

I think that my post on him was enough, so I agree with Dissapear. Drop the Wolverine stuff.

Anyway, what advantage does Matt have over Danny? Strength? I don't think that would matter against someone who can chi-amp.

it was during danny's time promenading as daredevil, and matt seemed to be controlling the situation. used his billy club to bop danny in the head, etc. he mentioned that danny was trying to emulate the daredevil style, but given that matt mixes boxing with acrobatics with ninja shit with beating people up, it's not like that should've been too hard for danny.

anyway, matt's taken down guys stronger than him, so even danny's "chi-amping" wouldn't swing the fight much. i suspect it'd come down to who could hit who more often and harder, and who could stay on their feet longer. and, even with his iron fist, i think danny's second place to matt. this would be a good question to put to brubaker, considering his hand in writing both characters at the moment.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wonders how the likes of Daredevil, Captain America, could actually hurt Puck?

*wonders if a guy like that would be street level*

*realizes the hypocrisy and stops*

*thinks better of it and continues wondering just to piss off Capt*

Originally posted by Disappear
anyway, matt's taken down guys stronger than him, so even danny's "chi-amping" wouldn't swing the fight much.

Danny's chi-amping allowed him to defeat Colossus in Contest Of Champtions, and shred Vibranium like it was paper. I think that it makes a difference.

Originally posted by Artemis1860
Danny's chi-amping allowed him to defeat Colossus in Contest Of Champtions, and shred Vibranium like it was paper. I think that it makes a difference.

never read contest of champions. and when he was "shredding vibranium like it was paper" he was under mind control and his powers were amped so that he could make every punch an iron fist. and it took him how long to actually get his first hit in? and t'challa still didn't pass out because of the attack.

so, in a fair fight, that situation just doesn't seem likely. i like danny a lot, and give him his proper respect, but i just don't think he'd take matt down in a fair fight. like i said, though, if the immortal iron fist series keeps going like it is, i fully expect to have my mind changed.

Originally posted by Disappear
never read contest of champions. and when he was "shredding vibranium like it was paper" he was under mind control and his powers were amped so that he could make every punch an iron fist. and it took him how long to actually get his first hit in? and t'challa still didn't pass out because of the attack.


That's not the first time Danny's used a long lasting Iron Fist attack. Even in Brubaker's series he was able to hold it for a long duration while battling Hydra.

I think it just has to do with how much he wants to amplify himself, and the fact that in earlier showings he was younger and less experienced as well.

his chi well would run dry much more quickly. after his power was stolen and returned to him, he seemed to be able to use the power at longer length before running out. and now, with brubaker's new interpretation that the chi of shou-lao is an ocean into which the iron fist run, or whatever, he's got seemingly more to work with. that, and the book he received, will eventually pump him up a whole lot. he's already seemingly learned the hypnosis fist and part of the "lightning from god" trick.

but, at the time he appeared in black panther, it was still quite beyond his scope to continue as long as he did with his iron fists flaring. and, he had chi streaming out of his eyes. it was very obvious his powers had been altered/amped.

Originally posted by Disappear
his chi well would run dry much more quickly. after his power was stolen and returned to him, he seemed to be able to use the power at longer length before running out. and now, with brubaker's new interpretation that the chi of shou-lao is an ocean into which the iron fist run, or whatever, he's got seemingly more to work with. that, and the book he received, will eventually pump him up a whole lot. he's already seemingly learned the hypnosis fist and part of the "lightning from god" trick.

but, at the time he appeared in black panther, it was still quite beyond his scope to continue as long as he did with his iron fists flaring. and, he had chi streaming out of his eyes. it was very obvious his powers had been altered/amped.

I've only read two issues of Immortal Iron Fist thus far, but in his fight against Hydra he's constantly using his chi isn't he? That alone should indicate that his powers have either changed or been amplified a lot.

Then again, isn't it only natural that his "chi storage" would grow over the years?

Originally posted by Disappear
and you said the same about captain america. and, i also pointed out daredevil's advantage over IF in the post you quoted to say i didn't say anything.


I didnt see the IF vs DD bit. Hell dont even know why I quoted you.

compare throwing a lot of iron fists v. running around with chi streaming from his eyes, leaving trails of energy after his punches and being seemingly incapable of turning the iron fist off. there's a big difference. it's possible chiantang's manipulations had lasting effects on danny, but it's the single greatest continuous use of energy danny's ever put out in a fight. it was an obvious tampering at that time; and even in brubaker and fraction's stuff, he has yet to do anything that shows that high level of expenditure. but, as i've said a few times, i'm not beyond having my opinion changed; particularly in the upcoming war of the seven cities arc.

DD is the best human..Captain America, Wolverine,Cyber, Omega Red,Deadpool Sabertooth are all superhuman.

that's subject to debate, and seemingly off-topic. the last four in your list, at least, wouldn't be considered street level, and you didn't give any rankings to your list of "superhumans." best i can tell, that's another vote for daredevil

Its sound like hes saying the others are a highier ranking than DD.

My vote goes to daredevil as well, for the best Marvel street-leveler.

Originally posted by Disappear
that's subject to debate, and seemingly off-topic. the last four in your list, at least, wouldn't be considered street level, and you didn't give any rankings to your list of "superhumans." best i can tell, that's another vote for daredevil

DD is the best one, alot of people seem to think Logan, Cap. etc.. count but they don't for they are not street level.

When Loeb had Cap pummel the Hulk into unconsciousness with his bare hands, he left the street-levellers.

i really think a better term should be coined to categorize people of this strength class. "street level" has too many implications outside of strength. "human level" or "low level" would apply far more universally.

Originally posted by Disappear
i really think a better term should be coined to categorize people of this strength class. "street level" has too many implications outside of strength. "human level" or "low level" would apply far more universally.

Human level sounds pretty good to me.

Originally posted by Disappear
i really think a better term should be coined to categorize people of this strength class. "street level" has too many implications outside of strength. "human level" or "low level" would apply far more universally.

I suppose.

spiderman then capt then IF then DD or shang-chi then maybe wolverine though it up in the air with black panther.

Originally posted by llagrok
When Loeb had Cap pummel the Hulk into unconsciousness with his bare hands, he left the street-levellers.


Unless there were circumstances which there isn't, that feat is BS. I must say Cap has slightly hurt beings of immense durability.

But thats just ridicules which was only like 3 hits and 1 hit from Spiderman.

Poor movie, awesome theme song

Best street leveler: BP

Well rounded, and can beat (or has beaten) pretty much everybody in the running.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Best street leveler: BP

Well rounded, and can beat (or has beaten) pretty much everybody in the running.

Bro I dont even think BP is street level anymore hes above it.

strength wise, t'challa's still well within any acceptable "street level" range, but he's hardly played the "street level" role as a hero. especially now that he's with the fantastic four.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro I dont even think BP is street level anymore hes above it.

Honestly, I think he is still peak Human in strength, and then low level superhuman agility and speed, (up there with th likes of Nightcrawler and Beast). I see it that way because I think when Black Panther was created they meant for him to be Capitan Americas equal.

If you look at what each enhancement did to both cap and BP, the SSS not only made cap Peak Human, but it granted him the ability to eliminate the build up of lactic acids, granting him for lack of a better term, superhuman endurance (its not possible for humans the eliminate lactic acid like cap does). If you look at the Heart shaped herb, in not only made BP peak human, but it made Black Panther's ligaments where they connect to the bones extra sensitive, granting him an unnatural degree of movement and speed, oh and not to mention his heightened senses.

I believe because of these things, both Cap and BP do things that no human could ever do, outside of some help, some outside enhance meant.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Honestly, I think he is still peak Human in strength, and then low level superhuman agility and speed, (up there with th likes of Nightcrawler and Beast). I see it that way because I think when Black Panther was created they meant for him to be Capitan Americas equal.

If you look at what each enhancement did to both cap and BP, the SSS not only made cap Peak Human, but it granted him the ability to eliminate the build up of lactic acids, granting him for lack of a better term, superhuman endurance (its not possible for humans the eliminate lactic acid like cap does). If you look at the Heart shaped herb, in not only made BP peak human, but it made Black Panther's ligaments where they connect to the bones extra sensitive, granting him an unnatural degree of movement and speed, oh and not to mention his heightened senses.

I believe because of these things, both Cap and BP do things that no human could ever do, outside of some help, some outside enhance meant.

Well ok but you know what marvel are like they define somebody as peak human, then if you look closer even though they are defined as peak human you see they have superhuman stats or enhanced stats.

Hell in BP's bio its said hes superhuman. Basically in street level terms peak human, enhanced and superhuman get mixed up all the time.

There's a scan in the Cap respect thread where Cap can run a mile in 2 minutes. There is no way a peak human could ever run that fast.

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
There's a scan in the Cap respect thread where Cap can run a mile in 2 minutes. There is no way a peak human could ever run that fast.

Actually, real humans can run as fast as about twenty five miles per hour. Thinking that a comic book peak human could run thirty isn't too far fetched.

However, Cap can run a mile in a little over ONE minute.

That's closer to sixty miles an hour - over twice as fast as the fastest runner in the world.