Robin sucks and should take a walk

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Locard
I love Batman.

I hate Robin.

I've always hated Robin in all his incarnations. I hate the very concept of Robin. I find the very concept of important heroes having teenage sidekicks extremely stupid and unnecesary.

Robin's presence DAMAGES the very concept of Batman.
When Batman's alone, he's the grim vigilante, the dark night that comes from the shadows like a night demon and strike fear in the hearts of the criminals. He's a real vigilante, focused on crime-fighting, being much more rude and reckless.

But when Robin's around, Batman is just an old man slinging on a rope.
The sight of the old man and the teenager slinging together across the rooftops has always pissed me, it sucks, Batman acting like a father/grandpa sucks, Batman bitching over 20 years like a lil' girl (im refering to Jason Todd's death here, than in the end was meaningless btw ) sucks.

Even in the movies, the only good ones will ever be when Robin's not around, the very presence of the colored jumping bean ruins Batman's concept. Robin was obviously a character created for the gay fandom ("Robin" sounds very gay as a name btw), such thing could be acceptable in another, more campy characters like Superman or Captain America (Bucky anyone?), but definetly not for the Dark Knight.

Robin is and will always be an error, a burden and a shameful thing for the legend of Batman.

Alfheim
Originally posted by Locard
Robin was obviously a character created for the gay fandom ("Robin" sounds very gay as a name btw),


Why does Robin have to have anything to do with homosexuality?

Originally posted by Locard

such thing could be acceptable in another, more campy characters like Superman or Captain America (Bucky anyone?), but definetly not for the Dark Knight.


How is Superman or Captain America camp. Wackness.

WrathfulDwarf
Quite the most retard thing I've read today.

Robin was introduce for the more younger audience who felt no connection with Batman because he is an adult. He serves as interpreter (sorta of speak) to the dark character of Batman. He also gives Bruce the role of a father figure.

Il.Mozalini
Originally posted by Locard
Robin was obviously a character created for the gay fandom ("Robin" sounds very gay as a name btw)

This quote alone not only makes an ass of yourself...it also devalues your opinion on ANYTHING, let alone on this subject.

Do us a favor: Shut up and die. Thank you.

teh_perfection
Current Robin pwns.

Locard
sleep sleep sleep

Locard
Its my opinion fool, maybe i was rude at relating Robin with the gay fandom *looks for the 60's scan of batman and robin sleeping together*
but i just hate him, and sometimes my hate speaks rather than my reasoning.
Robin ruins one of my favorite characters, how could i not hate him.

Too bad. It seems now people will just point at the gay commentary, without giving reason or facts of why Robin doesnt suck. meh, do whatever you want, Because everyone has to admit that Batman is hella better when hes working ALONE.


and those 3 reasons for Robin's existence sir wrathfuldwarf, are backing up my arguements perfectly. Who needs a campy Batman? or a father figure Batman? and Robin gives us just that

Originally posted by teh_perfection
Current Robin pwns.
o rly? well, i dont have anything against Robin's existence, as long he's away from Batman

Its ok to give Robin his own series, his own set of villains, and keep him away from Batman, so he cant damage the Batman concept anymore (Teen titans Robin is OK)

Mr Parker
Robin in the 90's animated series rules and makes the show better.

Bat Dude
Ok... While it's your opinion Locard, I'm gonna have to disagree...

I believe David Mazzucchelli put it best... "When Bruce Wayne was a kid, his pampered life was shattered into pieces. Since then, he's been trying to put it back together. It makes perfect sense that his partner would be a kid, because Bruce to an extent, never really grew up, he's still that 8 year old vowing vengeance...

And all the homosexual accusations... Batman and Robin were written to appeal to a male child... Of course they are gonna act the way they do and have no females around because a male child is very "anti-female" until around the age of 12-13, it's not a homosexual thing at all, it's just how they were written back then...

Hope that sounds somewhat intelligent...

SelinaAndBruce
I have never liked Robin and I hate everything he is in as well. I even liked TAS better without him even though I can't deny he had some good stories in that show, he was prolly the best incarnation. But my preference will always be a non Robin Batman. But I don't think he was made for gay people...that's absurd.

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Robin is a cool character. Dick Grayson was the best Robin. Tim Drake is a good Robin also.

ThoraxeRMG
Damn dude that's cold as ice.

TheMercurial
Tim Drake is awesome, by far my favourite Robin, although that's largely because I prefer Dick in his Nightwing incarnation.


You can moan and complain about Robin "ruining" Batman all you want. But Robin as a sidekick has been around much longer than most superheroes and without the character, Batman's series' might not have survived to this day.

[BAW]Endrict
Yes I can't stand that little rat bastard...he needs to die and that charater should NEVER EVER COME BACK!!! get a different sidekick and not a gay name like bluejay.

sindahouse
Robin represent Batman's human non dark side. Remember Bruce Wayne fights darkness with darkness, but he is not a dark person and he makes an effort not tobe taken in by the 'abyss' so to speak. Having Robin around shows just how good of a person Batman is, and shows that the darkness hasn't taken him. Even though Robin looks like a retarded fan of the wiggles, he is a representation of batman's kinder and merciful side.

Sorry Locard, but I think ur confusing batman with spawn. I must admit, I like batman better without robin but thats the beauty of batman. No super powers. He's just as human as the next person and longs for friends and companions. It's human nature

endrict
I see your point Sin, But he can get a better sidekick then Robin or Nightwing(Robin)

Superherovandal
Nightwing is fine for a sidekick. the name is kickass. as well as the suit.

xNIXSONx
Originally posted by Alfheim
Why does Robin have to have anything to do with homosexuality?


didnt you ever see that episode of family guy

steverules
Only one I saw was the one where they made fun of him for having no powers...that was friggin hilarious laughing out loud

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
didnt you ever see that episode of family guy


My nephew watches Family Guy. Very funny show.

Wally West
If the whole concept of Robin didn't work or ruined the character of Batman, it wouldn't still be around and used in pretty much every incarnation of Batman some 60+ years later. Many of the best Batman stories features a Robin, and the best non-comic medium of Batman, TAS, used Robin very well (Robin's Reckoning is probably the very best episode TAS ever did).

Hes not going anywhere anyway, Batman & Robin is to ingrained into pop culture, you ask 1000 people to name someone or something associated with Batman and 90% will say Robin, not the Joker, not Catwoman, Alfred, Gotham, Batmobile etc. If DC had a big four, it would be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Robin.

shadow speed
The Gay Accusations come from people who looked back into the old magazines when Robin first joined Batman. His Costume is very Camp when You look back at it now. Robin Had no tights he wore what looked like briefs. I can see where poeple are coming from when they say hes gay but i think he is always underated below Batman.

sithsaber408
Robin's parents were murdered when he's just a boy.


Batman's parents were murdered when he was just a boy.


Hello?

It's simple really, Bruce takes him in because he understands where he's coming from.

Robin angry and pissed at the world like Chris O' Donnels Forever version would be good if it was in a teenage character actor.... say like, Hayden Christensen! stick out tongue

No, really, with a good actor like Shia Le Beouf it could be great! shifty


I'm teasing, Robin's not that bad, if handled right but I still prefer Batman by himself.

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Robin's parents were murdered when he's just a boy.


Batman's parents were murdered when he was just a boy.


Hello?

It's simple really, Bruce takes him in because he understands where he's coming from.

Robin angry and pissed at the world like Chris O' Donnels Forever version would be good if it was in a teenage character actor.... say like, Hayden Christensen! stick out tongue

No, really, with a good actor like Shia Le Beouf it could be great! shifty


I'm teasing, Robin's not that bad, if handled right but I still prefer Batman by himself.


Shia may be a good choice when Robin shows up in a future Batman movie. By the way, nice sig.

raysch
Without Robin, a Batman movie franshice would just not be complete.

Locard
"Some of the best Batman stories ever told features Robin?"

I totally disagree on that, in fact , NONE of my favorite Batman stories features Robin (unless he appears just in one or two panels)

I've always liked way more the stories with Batman alone, as the likes of year one, without Dickies or Timmys screwing the atmosphere around with their acrobacies, colorfurl costumes and teenage talk. I like Batman as an obsessed, dark, driven vigilante, never as a father figure for anyone, never as a costumed acrobat swinging on a rope with a dumb kid who idolizes him by his side, and i know many people agree with me

Take a look a these images, think about them not as images, but as concepts, and you'll see what i mean, they simply dont get along well

BATMAN

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs5/300W/i/2004/291/4/0/Batman___Colored___by_pochrzas.jpg

ROBIN

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs4/300W/i/2005/136/b/5/Even_BETTER_Robin_by_kokiri85.jpg

No ...just...no

Damn, i did read Detective comics no.27 some time ago.

Despite the dumb looking drawing, the Batman comic was intended to be darker from the very beginning! people got shot in the head, Batman killed a guy in that issue, punching him and making him fall to a chemical waste tank (even if that was retconned later)

How could we forget what Robin did to the Batman concept some issues later?
http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/325/4/c/Batman_and_Robin_by_arcarsenal.jpg

Mr Parker
Originally posted by JediSamuraiMRB
Robin is a cool character. Dick Grayson was the best Robin. Tim Drake is a good Robin also.

co signed except for the part on tim drake.Dick greyson is the one and only true Robin and people who dont like Robin are not true Batman fans.

starlock
If not for robin i would not be a batman fan!

My brother is a year and a half older ,he was 6ft tall at 12 years old, i was always robin to his batman, i even had the robin underoos lol

Funny story, i got hit by a car when i was little(not funny part) when i was taken to the hospital, i would not let them undress me, the nurse asked me over and over and when i said yes, she saw i had the robin underoos on and said" dont worry i wont give up your secret identity" she actually said things like its ok i know why you did not want to let us undress you etc, and treated me as i was robin lol

Some memories are golden

Gregory
I really like Tim Drake; I don't think he ruins anything. Dick's okay, too; he went through this horrible whiny phase during his late-Robin period, and he had some terrible writing in his Nightwing comic, but he's pretty cool overall. Jason was annoying when he was alive; after he was dead, it was annoying listening to Batman mope about it; and now that he's back alive, he's still annoying. Oh well. Two out of three isn't bad, I guess.

sindahouse
Its an interesting debate. I guess it really depends what you like about Batman. If you like him as the obsessed work alone, grumpy character, than Robin aint gonna work for you. However if you are aware of his obsession, and respect that he still takes the time to have sympathy for a boy that has suffered the same circumstances that he did, than you will appreciate Robin. Robin brings out the more "human" side of batman.. Sympathetic, fatherly concern. I think its re-assuring to see that side of Batman. Even though I must admit, I prefer to see him working on his own, its comforting to know that "Bats" can still take the time to have some human emotion and compassion. Face it, without Robin, Batman would've become a lot darker. Perhaps too dark.. Robin is necessary to the mental well being of Batman.

MrCampion
I think we could easily go without Robin for a another movie or two.

sindahouse
Originally posted by endrict
I see your point Sin, But he can get a better sidekick then Robin or Nightwing(Robin)

yeh true that. robin looks too nerdy. nightwing looks alright though. well the newer looking nightwing anyway. didn't like the original yellow and blue look. the blue and black is better. but robin?? well if its gonna be robin, make a darker looking suit.

Mr Parker
Originally posted by MrCampion
I think we could easily go without Robin for a another movie or two.

yeah I would be okay with that just as long as he is in a sequal by the fourth film.its imperative that he at least is in the third sequal,the FOURTH film.

MrCampion
I agree, they should bring him in at some point, as long as they are more careful with the character this time. If they can get an actor who can play it a little more like The animated series and less of B&R Robin that will be fine with me.

Mr Parker
yeah get some kind of actor to play it like they did it in the animated series and for god sakes,someone who isnt so damn old this time who looks the same age as Bruce Wayne for crying out loud. mad

MrCampion
Yes sir, they need someone noticeably younger for Robin. Robin is meant to be a sort of apprentice to Batman so they need a more noticeable age drop. I don't know the ages of Kilmer or Clooney compared to Chris O'Donnell, but Chris did look a bit old for playing Robin to me.

Mr Parker
well kilmer and Clooney were in their mids 30's at that time and o'donnel was in his mid 20's but o'donnel looks older than that.It was such a joke in batman forever when Kilmer said to alfread-take care of the kid.O'donnel hurt the integrity of the film big time because like i said,he looked about the same age as kilmer and clooney and hear kilmer is calling him a kid. laughing and geez,it was so damn obvious he was wayyyyyy too old to be adopted. roll eyes (sarcastic)

schumacher had his head up his ass on the casting of o'donnel back then.ANYBODY would have been an improvement over o'donnel.you know who would have been the PERFECT casting choice back then? SCOTT WEINGER of full house.google in-pics of scott weinger and you'll see what I mean. smile or someone like fred savage,ANYONE like that who was much younger.

JackieCD
Robin is the gay guy everyone loves to hate.

reaLest a.
I agree with Locard on this one. The robin character is completely unnecessary to the batman mythology. Batman is the dark knight, vengeance of the night who comes from the shadows to terrorize criminals. So the addition of a teenage boy wearing bright red, yellow and green outfit makes no since. His character is completely campy (gay) and should be killed of entirely. Tim Burtens batman were epic movies. Joel Shomacher's version killed the franchise.

roughrider
Originally posted by raysch
Without Robin, a Batman movie franshice would just not be complete.

The two worst Batman movies to date are the two that had Robin!

Robin can have a place with Batman, but not in the old fashioned teenage sidekick way. He should train him only becasue he will need an eventual successor; that's why. And his outfit should be designed to look more like Red Robin. Why is Batman going out in a costume with lots of body armour, while Robin is exposed in all the vital areas?

JakeTheBank
Honestly, Robin can work in a movie. People, fans and writers alike, just cling to the idea that if they use Robin "everyone will think he's gay with Batman" or he takes away from Batman's "seriousness". They're excuses at the end of the day.

I doubt we'd ever see it, but I'd love to see a Batman franchise that embraces the Batfamily at large, giving us Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Oracle (or Babs as Batgirl), and others. The comics themselves even drive home the point that for all his talk and reputation as a "brooding loner", Batman actually has a close knit team of people he considers family.

sindahouse
Robin can totally work provided there is a total revamp. I'm really drawn to the hooded robin look from arkham city. If i was to add robin to a batman movie I would seriously consider the hooded look & I would try and change his costume to look more like Ezio Auditore from Assassins Creed, but obliviously with darker red colours. Finally the character would have to be shadowy, dark & spooky. It could totally work. Check out my attachment and have a think about it.

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