Onslaught vs Silver Surfer

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llagrok
These two duke it.

Onslaught's powerset;

Telekinesis
Telepathy
Magnetic powers
Reality warping
Complete invulnerability
Ability to grant himself as much strength as he want

Silver Surfer

Power cosmic grants him

Healing
Energy blasts
superhuman strength, and speed
ability to grant himself class 100 strength
elemental control
A high degree of invulnerability

Xplosive
Hm. Seeing what Onslaught was doing, he was powerhouse. Handling Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men at the same time.
He caused a chaos on Earth. Doctor Doom was afraid of him.

No way he is beating the power Onslaught had.

Silver Surfer would go down.

llagrok
Originally posted by Xplosive
Hm. Seeing what Onslaught was doing, he was powerhouse. Handling Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men at the same time.
He caused a chaos on Earth. Doctor Doom was afraid of him.

I think Silver Surfer would go down.

Onslaught was about to become thought throughout the universe, hadn't the heroes sacrificed themselves. Uata was dead afraid of him and what would happen.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4181/uxm336pg21fr7.th.jpg

Onslaught had Franklin Richard's reality warping, amplified and under control.

Xplosive
Originally posted by llagrok
Onslaught had Franklin Richard's reality warping, amplified and under control.

Yep, that is why he could be an Universal threat and could even challenge such being as Galactus himself.

Silver Surfer is way bellow his league.

guy222
Originally posted by llagrok
These two duke it.

Onslaught's powerset;

Telekinesis
Telepathy
Magnetic powers
Reality warping
Complete invulnerability
Ability to grant himself as much strength as he want

Silver Surfer

Power cosmic grants him

Healing
Energy blasts
superhuman strength, and speed
ability to grant himself class 100 strength
elemental control
A high degree of invulnerability

Norrin loses

kevdude
I'd say Onslaught also

grey fox
Norrin FTW

draxx_tOfU
Onslaught murderizes Norrin...

golem370
Here a better list of Powers for Silver Surfer. I believe he could just devolve Onslaught

Powers- Power Cosmic granted by the astrogod Galactus enables god-like strength, speed, stamina, agility, and invulnerability to all known diseases and environments, and a heightened level of cosmic awareness enabling the perception of all forms of energy and limited telepathy.
Ability to channel cosmic energy can generate powerful force blasts or rearrange the molecular structure of energy or mass. Manipulation of cosmic energy can be used to heal the wounded or mesmerize others.

Indestructible "surfboard" responds to mental commands and can achieve interstellar travel at greater than light speed.

Mider999
they love throwing the word invunrable and indestructable around in comics so much i hate that sometimes i mean is surfer really indestructable NO cause thanos has hurt him really bad so has thor, is his board nope its been broken by cable when he had full access to his powers, is superman truly invunrable hmm his fight with doomsday would say otherwise. One of the only characters who has ever shown anything near real invunrability is juggernaut cause he servived a godblast and has been unharmed even by galactus he's RARELY been hurt and it takes something amazingly powerful to hurt him and even then it stunns me that it was able to hurt him.

Mider999
oh and by the way onslaught eats norrin for breakfest then poops silver

Martian_mind
Onslaught is just psionic energy,which Surfer has manipulated before.

his very existence makes him vulnerable in this fight..

lionking
Some scans of feat of SS powers being used by diff. user's..
Doom who now call himself Doom rex after absorbing SS vaunted cosmic powers. dooms using the power how its should be used.

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surfer is hard to beat when writen how he should

lionking
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Mindship
Originally posted by llagrok
Onslaught's powerset;
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Magnetic powers
Reality warping
Complete invulnerability
Ability to grant himself as much strength as he want

Silver Surfer
Healing
Energy blasts
superhuman strength, and speed
ability to grant himself class 100 strength
elemental control
A high degree of invulnerability
Just from the way you've defined the powersets, Onslaught ftw. Heck, "complete invulnerability" and "as much strength as he wants": these alone make him Thanos-like. Throw in reality-warping (he doesn't even need the rest of his powerset), and Surfer is fighting someone who can't be hurt, can lift/break anything, and can change the rules of the reality game.

quanchi112
surfer can win this. imagine all the trouble surfer could cuz on earth of he turned evil. surfer for a very tough win.

Estacado
Originally posted by lionking
Here you go but dont really know if its the right place to post this but what the heck
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Non canon.
I might go with Onslaught just because of Franklin's powers.

llagrok
Originally posted by Mindship
Just from the way you've defined the powersets, Onslaught ftw. Heck, "complete invulnerability" and "as much strength as he wants": these alone make him Thanos-like. Throw in reality-warping (he doesn't even need the rest of his powerset), and Surfer is fighting someone who can't be hurt, can lift/break anything, and can change the rules of the reality game.

Because I made this fight to prove to "Priest" that Onslaught would win. Yes this is a spite thread, but spite with a purpose smile

When someone actually claims that Silver Surfer would even take one win against someone like Onslaught, is just dur

Priest
Originally posted by llagrok
Because I made this fight to prove to "Priest" that Onslaught would win. Yes this is a spite thread, but spite with a purpose smile
Ha, i knew u this amied toward me.

Originally posted by llagrok
When someone actually claims that Silver Surfer would even take one win against someone like Onslaught, is just dur
why not?
Couldent Surfer just turn off the X gene within Onslught?
....
Say if Surfer can crack Onslaughts armor, which he can easily do like how Cycl, Thor and the Hulk did, he would be forced to become the energy being, couldent Surfer just manipulate the energies?

llagrok
Originally posted by Priest
Ha, i knew u this amied toward me.


why not?
Couldent Surfer just turn off the X gene within Onslught?
....
Say if Surfer can crack Onslaughts armor, which he can easily do like how Cycl, Thor and the Hulk did, he would be forced to become the energy being, couldent Surfer just manipulate the energies?

With reality warping, Onslaught can resist and do anything. He can pretty much remove the power cosmic from Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer can't turn off the x-gene in someone who's far more powerful than him. That's why stuff like this doesn't work on high level beings. After all, he could theoretically ruin Thanos' body from the inside, but he never has. Why hasn't he? Because Thanos is too strong.

Destroying Onslaught's armor does nothing.

Priest
Originally posted by llagrok
With reality warping, Onslaught can resist and do anything. He can pretty much remove the power cosmic from Silver Surfer.
really?... because Onsalught never used his Warping powers to the extent that imppresed me..What is making a second sun gonna do to surfer..

Originally posted by llagrok
Silver Surfer can't turn off the x-gene in someone who's far more powerful than him. That's why stuff like this doesn't work on high level beings. After all, he could theoretically ruin Thanos' body from the inside, but he never has. Why hasn't he? Because Thanos is too strong.

Whos said that surfer can turn off the Xgene(s) within Onslaught? ur assumpution does not make sence wats so ever.
He did it to Cable easilly, he can do it to Onslaught.
To your Thanos statment, has Surfer tryed to manipulate thanos from the inside? the answer is no, why because it just would be lame.
Also, thanos is pretty special, he has total contol of his molecules..
of he can control his molecules, he certainly has control of his physicology.



Originally posted by llagrok
Destroying Onslaught's armor does nothing.
Except makes him more vunerable to a energy manipulator.

Xplosive
Look, Onslaught raw power goes far beyond that of Silver Surfer.
He had Richards power, I mean, that tells enough. And he has control over Richards power, but that then became also Onslaught power.
Then add his invulnerability, strength, and then add X-Man, Magneto and Xavier.

This is not even debatable. Due to Onslaught powers, he could fight powerful cosmic beings.

Silver Surfer ain't doing anything here, he is not even comparable to Onslaught.

llagrok
Originally posted by Priest
really?... because Onsalught never used his Warping powers to the extent that imppresed me..What is making a second sun gonna do to surfer..



Whos said that surfer can turn off the Xgene(s) within Onslaught? ur assumpution does not make sence wats so ever.
He did it to Cable easilly, he can do it to Onslaught.
To your Thanos statment, has Surfer tryed to manipulate thanos from the inside? the answer is no, why because it just would be lame.
Also, thanos is pretty special, he has total contol of his molecules..
of he can control his molecules, he certainly has control of his physicology.

Except makes him more vunerable to a energy manipulator.

Wow, I never thought it was possible to miss my point so bad.

Cable is inferior to Onslaught by far. That's why that comparison doesn't work. Who says that Silver Surfer would make it past Onslaught's shields. Silver surfer won't be able to manipulate Onslaught for the same reason a moderately strong telekinetic can't manipulate the Hulk.

Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Xplosive
Originally posted by llagrok
Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? roll eyes (sarcastic)

I was thinking about the similar question to ask him.

Acrosurge
Originally posted by Xplosive
I was thinking about the similar question to ask him. Nice avatar, BTW. smile

To me, Onslaught suffers from the same problem as Sentry; he was meant to be a universe shattering character, but never really displayed feats beyond planet-level threat. Sure, there was a lot he was supposed to be able to do, but we've never seen it.

Honestly, Thor written properly should have dealt with this problem. He's faced stronger foes before. By the same token, the current Surfer should be able to take Onslaught. He found a way to take down two Proemial Elders that dwarf Onslaught's power. He could find a way to bring Onslaught down.

Just sayin'.

llagrok
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Nice avatar, BTW. smile

To me, Onslaught suffers from the same problem as Sentry; he was meant to be a universe shattering character, but never really displayed feats beyond planet-level threat. Sure, there was a lot he was supposed to be able to do, but we've never seen it.

Honestly, Thor written properly should have dealt with this problem. He's faced stronger foes before. By the same token, the current Surfer should be able to take Onslaught. He found a way to take down two Proemial Elders that dwarf Onslaught's power. He could find a way to bring Onslaught down.

Just sayin'.

Nah, not on KMC.

They fought near the Crunch. He didn't have any way of injuring them and didn't really pose a threat. Plot item to the max smile'

I agree with the other parts though, I personally think that they made Onslaught too strong. There wasn't a feasible way for the heroes to win, so it turned into a really crappy ending. I think that the heroes dying to stop him was a great idea, just not the way it happened.

Roldz
Surfer takes majority..

Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..

llagrok
Originally posted by Roldz
Surfer takes majority..

Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..

What reality manipulators has Silver Surfer beaten? and whose reality manipulation powers has he been immune to?

Roldz
His Fought off Marduk w/ reality base manipulation powers..

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3172/ssvsmarduk2cr4.th.jpg

He also fought off Ellies reality manipulation..
Someone who can make and thread to any reality..

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5637/ssvsmarduk5ut2.th.jpg

She manipulated Earth.. here..

Joey Stacks
Onslaught is Celestial level reality manipulation with a side helping of Full Potential Nate (said to rival Dark Phoenix). Marduk, is not.


Really if someone believes Surfer takes Onslaught based on X-Gene removal (does a psionic entity even have a X-Gene?) might as well say he takes out people like Jimmy Jaspers, Scarlet Witch and Franklin Richards (well actually this is being said in this thread).

Roldz
Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?

Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..

llagrok
Originally posted by Roldz
Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?

Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..

You don't understand simple logic here. Silver Surfer doesn't beat Celestial level characters, because then he would be stronger than Galactus.

Roldz
Originally posted by llagrok
You don't understand simple logic here. Silver Surfer doesn't beat Celestial level characters, because then he would be stronger than Galactus.
I dont remember mentioning Surfer beating any Celestial level beings..

All ive said was Surfer having defenses against Onslaught powersets, which is far from being a Celestial level.

llagrok
Originally posted by Roldz
I dont remember mentioning Surfer beating any Celestial level beings..

All ive said was Surfer having defenses against Onslaught powersets, which is far from being a Celestial level.

Onslaught doesn't really need to use it on the Surfer in order to win. Onslaught still has more than enough firepower to take down the Surfer.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Roldz
I dont remember mentioning Surfer beating any Celestial level beings.. What a PIS poor memory you have:

Originally posted by Roldz
Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

Roldz
Yah! His just going to stand there stare at Surfer scared sh%t less..

Really whats Onslaught going to do? Blast him w/ magnetic or psi energy..

Roldz
Originally posted by Creshosk
What a PIS poor memory you have:
Wow! Where did i say he beat him there, by his own powers?

All that scan shows of him having absorb so much energies..

llagrok
Originally posted by Roldz
Yah! His just going to stand there stare at Surfer scared sh%t less..

Really whats Onslaught going to do? Blast him w/ magnetic or psi energy..

He could beat him.

Thor beat the Surfer, BRB and Adam Warlock to near death.

Roldz
That cross-over was questionable, Whats it called again? Thunder somethin... IE. The Inf. Watch w/ there respective soul gem, SS, Dr. Strange, Warlock lost to a bunch of Asgardians Thiefs.. Heck BRB could have finished the Job where it first started, he brought down WMThor w/ out even Surfers assistance, cept they felt sorry for him and aided him to rid of his illness..

llagrok
Originally posted by Roldz
That cross-over was questionable, Whats it called again? Thunder somethin... IE. The Inf. Watch w/ there respective soul gem, SS, Dr. Strange, Warlock lost to a bunch of Asgardians Thiefs.. Heck BRB could have finished the Job where it first started, he brought down WMThor w/ out even Surfers assistance, cept they felt sorry for him and aided him to rid of his illness..

And Silver Surfer got beat down, even when going all out. Need I post the scans?

Silver Surfer lost against Thor, how on earth does he stand a chance against Onslaught?

Creshosk
Originally posted by Roldz
Wow! Where did i say he beat him there, by his own powers?

All that scan shows of him having absorb so much energies.. And here I thought you posted the scan to show him winning. If he didn't win there's not much point to posting a fight, now is there?

Roldz
Originally posted by llagrok
And Silver Surfer got beat down, even when going all out. Need I post the scans?

Silver Surfer lost against Thor, how on earth does he stand a chance against Onslaught?
I dont need the scans, i know what happened.. What im saying is the mini was questionable..

First off, WMThor lost to BRB.. Down, nearly out halucinating talkin to Valkeria (something like that) SS even mentioned to BRB needing no assistance from him.. Both talk discussing how they might help there friend.. Each one could have taken him out from there cept they want to help him..

In SS Tyrant Saga, Tyrant clearly says that of all he has fought that day SS was the most powerfull; This line up includes Gladiator, Jack of hearts, BRB and etc..

Surfer > BRB who defeated WMThor..

QUESTIONABLE..

Or it may just be that Surfer althought piss was not going all out..

Originally posted by Creshosk
And here I thought you posted the scan to show him winning. If he didn't win there's not much point to posting a fight, now is there?
I posted the scan to shows a feat of Surfer manipulation/absorbing psionic energies which Onslaught entirely is made off.. A way to beat him to be exact..

Roldz
Here's the BRB VS WMThor i was talkin about..

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8616/brbcu4.th.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8494/brb1kt0.th.jpg

WMThor lost to BRB right there..
Originally posted by llagrok
Onslaught doesn't really need to use it on the Surfer in order to win. Onslaught still has more than enough firepower to take down the Surfer.
He can throw as much firepower as he wants Surfer has an option of throwing it back at him, even a lot more potent/stronger..

http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer199612021jj2.jpg

Like he did on the scan above..

Mindship
Originally posted by Roldz
He can throw as much firepower as he wants Surfer has an option of throwing it back at him, even a lot more potent/stronger..

http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer199612021jj2.jpg

Like he did on the scan above.. That looks like it was special circumstances. Otherwise, SS could've been pulling that stunt on Thanos, for example.

Plus, this is Onslaught vs Surfer with a defined powerset, and Onslaught's includes a level of invulnerability and strength that, for all intents and purposes, is infinite. Throw in reality-warping, which can undermine any power operating in the "field of reality"...

Surfer is my main man, but I just don't see him winning this (yes, it is a spite thread, but that aside: where is the fun if a fave character wins everything thrown at him smile )?

golem370
What happen if Silver Surfer just destroys the planet Onslaught is on? Has Onslaught ever been of the planet? Silver Surfer flies threw suns and he also flew threw a wall of Vibranium rather easy.

Joey Stacks
Originally posted by Roldz
Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?

Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8694/ssvsuni3df8.th.jpg
And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..

It was said multiple times throughout the arc by Reed and the Watcher that Onslaught had full access to Frank and Nate's powers, of course he couldn't use said powers because the heroes have to win in the end.

Priest
Originally posted by llagrok
Wow, I never thought it was possible to miss my point so bad.

Cable is inferior to Onslaught by far. That's why that comparison doesn't work.

Inferior, maybe...But by far, i think not...during the Jesus cable arc, it seemed liked No one on earth couldn't stop him imo..Cable was Extremely powerful, and displayed some TK and TP feats that that can put Xavier and Jean Grey to shame..
Cable even have Surfer a decent fight in h2h. Cable even broke Surfer's "unbreakable" board..
But when it can down to it, Surfer just manipulated Nate's genes with simple Eye beams, and turned his powers off...He did it pretty easily considering how powerful cable was.
So tell me how much more powerful is Onslaught compared to Jesus cable?
dont get me wrong, Onslaught>Cable;
But its a far fetch saying Onslaught>>>>>Cable. smile

Originally posted by llagrok
Who says that Silver Surfer would make it past Onslaught's shields. Silver surfer won't be able to manipulate Onslaught for the same reason a moderately strong telekinetic can't manipulate the Hulk.
Sheilds? dont make me laugh, Surfer can easilly by pass any sheilds as he pleases. And u know thats a fact. He can over power the sheilds by bombarding with planet shacking PC blasts, or simply phase though them.
Sorry, Im not following the Hulk example tho, so u may have to clarify that analogy further.. But in any case, the Hulk has a solid history of being resistant to TP, because of his dual persona..

Originally posted by llagrok
Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? roll eyes (sarcastic)
Dont u think that using Jamie Braddock as a comparison to Onslaught is a far strech roll eyes (sarcastic)
that would be like me replacing Surfer for Galactus in this fight..
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Ur whole argument is based on what Onslaught could do Surfer. Again(sigh), Onslaught dident do jack shit with his amazing reality Warping powers..His great feat was making a second sun.. What is that gonnna do, turn Surfer skin into a nice bronze color instead of Silver???
Shit creating a black hole is more impressive that a sun itself. Whats stoping Surfer doping one of those babies under onslaughts feet?

Priest
Originally posted by Roldz
Surfer takes majority..

Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..
thumb up

Originally posted by llagrok
What reality manipulators has Silver Surfer beaten? and whose reality manipulation powers has he been immune to?
Captain Marvel V4 #8-10 , Surfer had the opportunity to kill a reailty warper that was described to be a threat to the Universe..Kelly, was displaying reality Warping powers that surfer took noticed even from space..Her control of her powers was much much >>>Franklin Richards..
Her reality warping powers seemed to have no affect on Surfer, it seemed like she could only manipulate Surfers surroundings.
Anyways, Surfer had the chance to "off" her but renounced his decision because Rick Jones convinced the reality warper "wish" that she never existed.

grey fox
The Onslaught wankery disgusts me. He's a filthy mutie upstart with some minor abilities, to get anywhere he had to leech off of other muties.
Comparing him to anyone with PC is an insult.

llagrok
Originally posted by grey fox
The Onslaught wankery disgusts me. He's a filthy mutie upstart with some minor abilities, to get anywhere he had to leech off of other muties. Comparing him to anyone with PC is an insult.

dur

How powerful was Norrin without the Galactus powerup?

At least Onslaught managed to get some powers himself and doesn't have to blow Galactus every time he wants a powerup.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/04-WarlockInfinity-23-20.jpg

braz
Silver Surfer takes this.

Priest
Originally posted by llagrok
dur
How powerful was Norrin without the Galactus powerup?
At least Onslaught managed to get some powers himself and doesn't have to blow Galactus every time he wants a powerup.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/04-WarlockInfinity-23-20.jpg
Dude that example is weak, that thor was pounding the shit out of freakin thanos in Blood and Thunder. laughing out loud , No one was stoping thor, not even the combined forces of the IW, Strange, Warlock and co.
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Llagrok, if ur talking about the "power-up" norrin recived in Annhilation, that is just a rummor, there is no indication that Norrin got powered up. Galactus mearlly just removed the mental blocks from SS, meaning he wont hold back his power.

Ouallada
Destroying Onslaught's armour makes him more susceptible to something Surfer is good at, IE energy manipulation.

On the same note, using WM Thor is a terrible example, not to mention ABC logic. We might as well use CU Spiderman against Wolverine. WM Thor =/= Thor. WM Thor >>>>>>>>> Thor.

Onslaught probably wins due to Frankin's powers. Without Franklin's powers, SS would probably win.

Mindship
Originally posted by Ouallada
Destroying Onslaught's armour makes him more susceptible to something Surfer is good at, IE energy manipulation.
Someone else mentioned this tactic.
Here's the thing: according to the opening post, Onslaught has complete invulnerability.
There should be no armor-cracking in this fight.

Roldz
Originally posted by Mindship
That looks like it was special circumstances. Otherwise, SS could've been pulling that stunt on Thanos, for example.

Might be, but its still in his powerset..

The thing w/ SS is that he always jobs when confronting Thanos thats why in nearly all confrontation he gets one shotted..lol

I guess w/ complete invulnerability and inf. strength SS gets curbstomp, it'd be a spite thread.. How can he lose if his completely invulnerable?
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
It was said multiple times throughout the arc by Reed and the Watcher that Onslaught had full access to Frank and Nate's powers, of course he couldn't use said powers because the heroes have to win in the end.
Franklin shunt off a big portion of his powers and then theres that psi-wars ordeal that greatly affected Nate's powers..

So id have to say no to Onslaught gaining full access to both of those omega/alpha level powers, the above circumstance prevents him from doing that..
Originally posted by llagrok
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/04-WarlockInfinity-23-20.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brb1kt0.jpg

Blood and Thunder was kinda missed up story man and a bad example..

2 of the most versatile and powerfull heroes in marvel could'nt take out WMThor yet BRB by himself beat him fair and square.

Wouldnt this make BRB >>>>> Surfer and Warlock..

Heck Asgardian Ogres/Bandits >>>>> Infinitywatch, Strange, Warlock, Surfer thats just missed up.

Mindship
Originally posted by Roldz
The thing w/ SS is that he always jobs when confronting Thanos thats why in nearly all confrontation he gets one shotted..lol
Hey, Surfer learned to job from the best of 'em: Galactus. smokin'

JudgeXZXZ
Onslaught is above Surfer. His feats and that battle with all those heroes should give him the victory, feat-wise.

Ouallada
Originally posted by Mindship
Someone else mentioned this tactic.
Here's the thing: according to the opening post, Onslaught has complete invulnerability.
There should be no armor-cracking in this fight.

I know. I read the OP. However, superlatives in comics are rarely anything more than hyperbole. Everyone and his mother has infinite strength, or infinite something. Even SS is supposed to be able to amp his strength to incalculable upper levels. Infinite, incalculable, same difference, all hyperbole. Would Superman be able to faze Onslaught physically? Would Thanos? Would Aegis or Tenebrous? Galactus?

I also know that someone else mentioned this tactic. I merely wanted to validate said tactic. It won't get SS anywhere near a majority, but that is despite SS' manipulation being a goot tactic against Onslaught, and is largely down to Franklin. Without Fanklin's powers, I wager SS would take a majority.

Mindship
Originally posted by Ouallada
I know. I read the OP. However, superlatives in comics are rarely anything more than hyperbole.
Offhand, I agree with you about superlatives in comics (my "favorite" is "near-infinite"...wtf does that mean?!).

But the infinite strength and invulnerability in this thread was not taken from comics (even if it was, it wouldn't matter); it was mentioned specifically for this thread.

Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought that you have to work with what is stated in the thread if such specifics are mentioned.

If this had been a simple Onslaught vs Surfer with no defined powersets stated, I would not be so nit-picky.

starlock
Onslaught for the win

Roldz
Originally posted by JudgeXZXZ
Onslaught is above Surfer. His feats and that battle with all those heroes should give him the victory, feat-wise.
Yeah he does have quite feat under his belt but Surfer's feat trumps his..

Ouallada
Originally posted by Mindship
Offhand, I agree with you about superlatives in comics (my "favorite" is "near-infinite"...wtf does that mean?!).

But the infinite strength and invulnerability in this thread was not taken from comics (even if it was, it wouldn't matter); it was mentioned specifically for this thread.

Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought that you have to work with what is stated in the thread if such specifics are mentioned.

If this had been a simple Onslaught vs Surfer with no defined powersets stated, I would not be so nit-picky.

I'm probably nitpicking myself, but using hyperbole as a thread specific is kinda ironic is it not? According to the OP, how would you then define infinite strength etc? And if we take specifics at face value, that would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?

I simply took it to be an Onslaught vs Surfer matchup, with the OP reminding people of the powersets. Can you imagine a thread by those hulk fanboys with "specified" powersets? NO ONE would be able to overpower the hulk going by specified powersets. Logic has to step in sometime.

Hannibal-Lector
Techniqually surfer should be more powerful but due to bad writing Onslaught would win this in what he refers to as 1 thought

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