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I wanna see what everyone thinks on this one.

The fights in the same city in the movie, but there are absolutely no innocent civilians or soldiers around or F-22's flying over. The city is completely deserted.

Megatron ftw

So u dont think Prime was holding back in the movie?

I think Prime was new to the whole hand to hand combat aspect. I mean, he's not a machine of war like Megatron is, his fighting chops in the movie weren't that great because it's no his job to attempt to kill. Ya know?

Originally posted by Scythe
I think Prime was new to the whole hand to hand combat aspect. I mean, he's not a machine of war like Megatron is, his fighting chops in the movie weren't that great because it's no his job to attempt to kill. Ya know?

Its his job not to kill innocents, but those who oppose him? Ya sure, he didnt seem to hesitate when decapitating Bonecrusher.
I actually think Prime would fare alot better against Megatron in a rematch in this scenario and possibly even take a majority.

That is, of course if Megatron doesnt play it cheap and just keep away from Prime by flying high enough out of harms way and just shoot Opt from there, but I think Megs will fight Prime honorably, so I say Prime could win a majority here.

Originally posted by braz
Its his job not to kill innocents, but those who oppose him? Ya sure, he didnt seem to hesitate when decapitating Bonecrusher.
I actually think Prime would fare alot better against Megatron in a rematch in this scenario and possibly even take a majority.

that doesn't mean he's meant to kill. Optimus was built to be passive, hence the fact that he chose to be a truck, not a tank or another tool of war, their nature is to be peaceful. Which is why he wouldn't be the best at fighting. But he'd still kick ass.

Originally posted by Scythe
that doesn't mean he's meant to kill. Optimus was built to be passive, hence the fact that he chose to be a truck, not a tank or another tool of war, their nature is to be peaceful. Which is why he wouldn't be the best at fighting. But he'd still kick ass.

Yeah he wasnt built to kill, but that doesnt mean anything, he still proved he could and would, and if he wasnt made to fight, then why does he have weapons?

Megatron FTW

Its hard to say but I think Prime could take a slight majority.

On any given day, one of them can win the match. The cartoon showed this. In the film Megatron was fresh and angry, having been in statis lock for a few thousand years. Optimus was concerned about protecting Sam and had his back turned for Megatron to attack at one point. Megatron had the advantage late; maybe Prime could have pulled out some reserve energy to win, but the F-22s bombed Megatron at that point, making the point moot.

prime was pretty much at war with megatron the whole time they were on cybertron, as the prequel suggests. also in the prequel, megatron was a lord in cybertron and him and prime pretty much ran the planet good cop-bad cop style. but megatron wanted more power. that's when the war started. cybertron was divided into 2 factions... autobots and decipticons as we've come to know them.

so saying that prime is not well equiped for combat is simply misconstrued. although he is not as aggressive as megatron. but in an all out battle with nothing-- absolutely no collateral damage at all-- to hold back prime, he can trump megatron.

Originally posted by braz
Yeah he wasnt built to kill, but that doesnt mean anything, he still proved he could and would, and if he wasnt made to fight, then why does he have weapons?

I read somewhere that all cybertronians had weapon capabilities, some chose to use them as work tools or some crap like that.

Originally posted by Scythe
I read somewhere that all cybertronians had weapon capabilities, some chose to use them as work tools or some crap like that.

Interesting.

Megatron ftw

megatron is signifacantly more powerful than prime and as most of the decepticons are far better warriors, if it wasn't or the army and sam prime would have been anniated

Originally posted by braz
Interesting.

Yeah, never really got that.

I don't think a rematch would matter. For starters, Megatron is noticeably bigger than prime, and much more powerful. I mean come on. Prime shot at him with his arm cannon and it just slowed Megatron down for a second, and then after that Megatron blew him into the side of a building. Megatron wasn't intended to be equal to Prime in this movie, he was portrayed as the unstoppable monster that everyone has to team up on in order to defeat.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
I don't think a rematch would matter. For starters, Megatron is noticeably bigger than prime, and much more powerful. I mean come on. Prime shot at him with his arm cannon and it just slowed Megatron down for a second, and then after that Megatron blew him into the side of a building. Megatron wasn't intended to be equal to Prime in this movie, he was portrayed as the unstoppable monster that everyone has to team up on in order to defeat.

Yeah, I thought they overpowered him too much in the film. It was an alright idea, but G1 Optimus vs. G1 Megatron were pretty much well rounded with Megatron beating out Optimus only in the field of speed.

^So u dont think he held back in the new film?

Originally posted by braz
^So u dont think he held back in the new film?

Well, it's hard to tell, because to me, it seemed that Megatron was alittle to fast for Optimus. I mean seriously, Optimus' reaction time was crap compared Megatron's. Not to mention the fact that Optimus was keeping tabs on the dumbass kid Sam and probably not wanting to cause a whole amount of damage to the city. So I suppose he did hold back alittle.

Whatever happened to Optimus Prime's sword during his fight with Megatron? 313

i think you have all missed out the most important factor.
Prime has THE TOUCH.
seriously though in your heart of hearts you know prime would absolutely **** megatron. its OPTIMUS ****ING PRIME for crying out loud. he is the hero of every straight male. think of the original movie when prime is getting shot at and slashed up by megatron the BAM BEST UPPERCUT EVER. then when gay rod gives megatron the advantage megatron is pointing a gun at primes head then prime goes NEVER and ****ing kills megatron. now i know this movie is different but it is still Prime

Exactly, Superboy...!

Lord mohahats right too. This Prime was a pussy.

The reason Bay's Meagretron outclassed, outarmed, outpowered, outsized, outsped and generally outpimped Bay's Prime was so that he could essentially be beating up on Prime 'til a small boy was (totally unbelievebly) able to kill him at a lazyily written "Oooooh arent we humans great" conclusion that saved subjecting the poor demographic audience to a fight plot that would have even remotely pertained
to the accepted Prime/Megatron versusness.

G1 Megatron, with Witwicky right under his fist in striking range, fully warned after hearing Prime tell the fleshling to attempt to kill Megatron by pushing the cube in his chest, would've simply mashed Witwicky into the sidewalk.

Its writing like that that makes me think that those striking writers shouldn't be entitled to their cut til they stop writing garbage.

Originally posted by roughrider
On any given day, one of them can win the match. The cartoon showed this. In the film Megatron was fresh and angry, having been in statis lock for a few thousand years. Optimus was concerned about protecting Sam and had his back turned for Megatron to attack at one point. Megatron had the advantage late; maybe Prime could have pulled out some reserve energy to win, but the F-22s bombed Megatron at that point, making the point moot.

QFTT

I'd still like to see what happens in part 2, the rematch might be better.

Prime ftw

He might've, but then again movie prime was not exactly meant to be a fighter, he did what was right against the Decepticon under the freeway, but against Megs, yeah, I dunno...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Exactly, Superboy...!

Lord mohahats right too. This Prime was a pussy.

The reason Bay's Meagretron outclassed, outarmed, outpowered, outsized, outsped and generally outpimped Bay's Prime was so that he could essentially be beating up on Prime 'til a small boy was (totally unbelievebly) able to kill him at a lazyily written "Oooooh arent we humans great" conclusion that saved subjecting the poor demographic audience to a fight plot that would have even remotely pertained
to the accepted Prime/Megatron versusness.

G1 Megatron, with Witwicky right under his fist in striking range, fully warned after hearing Prime tell the fleshling to attempt to kill Megatron by pushing the cube in his chest, would've simply mashed Witwicky into the sidewalk.

Its writing like that that makes me think that those striking writers shouldn't be entitled to their cut til they stop writing garbage.
You are to Transformers movies as Mr. Parker is to Spider-man movies.

Heroic Prime wasn't so heroic towards the end of the film.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
You are to Transformers movies as Mr. Parker is to Spider-man movies.

Now now.




If by that you mean "angrily disappointed by a wasted opportunity",
then I can't disagree.

But there are good arguments coming from both sides. When the movie Gigli came out, dear god, no one stood up for that abomination.

Megatron wins. Bigger, stronger, more aggressive and built to maul. Prime's better off writing poetry under a tree.....the big douche

Megatron won the fight fair and square imo.

Prime was just outmatched in the punch on and much more so in the firepower department. His energy blast didnt do much, while Megatron's blast sent him flying.

I think the forest fight will depict a leaner, meaner Optimus. Even though it'll be sad to see Prime go down, but he sure kicks ass.

nah. the closest optimus will come to badass is that he stops cleaning the board before the teacher walks in class....or maybe steal bumblebee's lunch money.

~Sado

Indeed. The pussy.

Why has almost every recent Prime been a pussy...? Why...?

Can Baymovie prime go through one movie without getting his ass kicked to near death neccessitating Matrix rejuvenations, being saved by a human with a rubik's cube or any other cheap lazy writing device...?

And young, sucky very shit Prime from the recent animated series.

Congratulations to these arsehats on making one of the most beloved characters and respected warrior leaders in comicdom as irritating as Rodimus "I rightly suspect that I cant lead shit, cartoonwise" Prime was back in the day.

I hate one dimensional characters minus depth, but, jeez....

he's always been a pussy. no way around it. he's like superman, practically has the same color scheme too. only he's about 10 times as big and 50 times as stupid.

I don't lke Rodimus Prime when he goes emo but I liked him when the ol' Hot Rod in him would shine through once in a while. HotRod was the coolest autobot imo. he had the mentality of a deceptican in terms of combat. hotheaded, aggressive, gungho and he turned ino the coolest car around.
he and ironhide were soldiers.
the rest of 'em...well, i bet if they were a few foot shorter you'd be seeing them helping old ladies crossing streets and optimus himself would be rescuing cats from a tree.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
he's always been a pussy. no way around it. he's like superman, practically has the same color scheme too. only he's about 10 times as big and 50 times as stupid.

I don't lke Rodimus Prime when he goes emo but I liked him when the ol' Hot Rod in him would shine through once in a while. HotRod was the coolest autobot imo. he had the mentality of a deceptican in terms of combat. hotheaded, aggressive, gungho and he turned ino the coolest car around.
he and ironhide were soldiers.
the rest of 'em...well, i bet if they were a few foot shorter you'd be seeing them helping old ladies crossing streets and optimus himself would be rescuing cats from a tree.

~Sado

A fine appraisal, however I'd venture that Hot Rod was too unruly/undiciplined ever to be a soldier.

Kup. Sure.

Ultra "Im just a soldier, Prime.." Magnus. Definitely.

But as refreshing as an exuberant hothead can be on the surface, the prick'll always let ya down.

He even got Prime killed by acting like a penis thinking he could take Megatron, interfering with fatal results for Prime..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Exactly, Superboy...!

G1 Megatron, with Witwicky right under his fist in striking range, fully warned after hearing Prime tell the fleshling to attempt to kill Megatron by pushing the cube in his chest, would've simply mashed Witwicky into the sidewalk.

Its writing like that that makes me think that those striking writers shouldn't be entitled to their cut til they stop writing garbage.

IIRC, Megatron didn't/couldn't react to Sam putting the cube in his chest because he had just been bombarded (with heavy fire power) by the F-22's, U.S army soldiers, and the rest of the Autobots.

He took about 5 direct missile strikes and still kept going. That's not including the punishment he had already endured throughout the battle.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Now now.




If by that you mean "angrily disappointed by a wasted opportunity",
then I can't disagree.
I mean Mr. Parker condemned the Spider-man films for everything. The biggest thing he had was organic webbing and the lack of Gwen Stacy I think. He wouldn't concede that the movies, at least the first two, captured the spirit of Spider-man and were pretty accurate overall. He wanted penniless Peter Parker to sport and maintain legit webshooters. And because he didn't they were abominations.

Ahhh thats where we are different. I liked many elements of the 1st film.

that's what made him cool, imo. even his style of fighting was unorthodox.


dude...if he could switch places with anyone from movies he'd be Martaugh


i hated ultra douschenus. the way he had those weird shoulder things sticking out....he'd crush his own head doing the YMCA.
i loved how galvatron and the decepticans fubared him in the movie....too bad redgar brought him back. damn it. he was a footsoldier with nothing to offer but a transitionary phase of holding the title before dropping it to way cooler Rodimus (the name's corny tho, i'll agree. rodimus! wtf?!)


well, how many times did Hotrod save the autobots in the movie alone? hadn't been for him, the autobots would've let in the deceptican ship and got an even bigger anal probing than they did.
he saved them constantly over the movie, was doing pretty well against Galvatron and was the one who got split from the others and STILL rescued them. alone.


exactly! that was the best thing about the transformers movie!
optimus prime becomes black and dies.

~Sado

i realize that the optimus prime becomes black thing can sound wrong.
its not what i meant
*hides his kukluxclan mask* innocent

Originally posted by Sado22
that's what made him cool, imo. even his style of fighting was unorthodox.


dude...if he could switch places with anyone from movies he'd be Martaugh


i hated ultra douschenus. the way he had those weird shoulder things sticking out....he'd crush his own head doing the YMCA.
i loved how galvatron and the decepticans fubared him in the movie....too bad redgar brought him back. damn it. he was a footsoldier with nothing to offer but a transitionary phase of holding the title before dropping it to way cooler Rodimus (the name's corny tho, i'll agree. rodimus! wtf?!)


well, how many times did Hotrod save the autobots in the movie alone? hadn't been for him, the autobots would've let in the deceptican ship and got an even bigger anal probing than they did.
he saved them constantly over the movie, was doing pretty well against Galvatron and was the one who got split from the others and STILL rescued them. alone.


exactly! that was the best thing about the transformers movie!
optimus prime becomes black and dies.

~Sado

Unorthodox...? How exactly...?
Just appears to use blasters and wrist saws to me...
His rash temper might be ok, as long as you are on the opposite side, as rash order-failing knobheads actually fail to back you up and get you killed in combat if you are on their side.
You might think his constant failures cool, but in a war situation, it'd get you or him killed and I think thats douchelike.

And then when he gets tio lead, he cries about it the whole f***in' time lolz

Kup would be Mickey from Rocky.

The cartoon Magnus was still more and effective leader than Rodimus in most instances but wasnt the soldier/leader he was in the comics.

Wreck-gar was right to repair him.
Funny shoulders aside, he was a tough bastard and useful troop transport.


Actually, I'd argue that if he wasnt such a knee Jerk dick, he could have just reported in to the city first.

If the city then transformed and attacked the shuttle while all the deceps were still in the shuttle, it would have been a decisive victory for the Autobots.

But noooooooooooooooo Hot Rod blew that whole idea, when he kneejerked and fired his little wrist blasters off at it, allowing the deceps to know that their cover was blown, the deceps left the shuttle and then spread out into a big wide attacking force. (A big spread out swarm of guys is harder to pick off that a close cluster of nearby guys, you see...?

And when he died it was goodbye Prime, Wheeljack, Prowl and all those cool cats, hello......erm.......Wheelie and his shitty, shitty ilk.

turning into a car and attacking galvatron, came up with idea to drive around the pond and turn it into a whirlpool, jammed the shuttle right into Unicorns eyes, ran over people using his car version (which for the life of me, i never understood why other autobots didn't do...at least prime fnally did it in the movie....but dies anyway the dickhead). these are off the top of my head. there are surely others.


which he never did. in fact, he's saved more than he's lost...and he lost prime, which is a good thing.


...its a comicbook/cartoon. maybe you'd like it too if you didn't think it was a comicbook adaptation of the crusades


huh?


i was thinking along the lines of either Martaugh or Samuel L Jackson from DH3. that makes HotRod McClane and there are many things in common.


same difference.


yeah, he was. but he never did shite aside from getting blown, lose the matrix, say Rodmius aint that great a leader and then follow him around, get infected by the virus, try to brng down Rodimus with him and sucked at that too.


well, that's where hotheadedness comes in. if prime was there, he'd wrte a sonnet so at least hotrod's choice of action was better.


nah mate. it was hotrod who alerted the autobots to begin with. deceps were ALREADY in the vicinity. if hotrod hadnt started shooting the autodousches wouldn't have known and would've gotted phucked over even worse. i get your point, of course, but my argument is that once the enemy were that close it wouldn't matter either way because deceps were not playing MGS4 wth the autobots but planning on launching an attack anyway. HotRod just blew their cover before they wanted it and hecne saved more lives. otherwise they'd have been totally pwned because they'd NEVER seen it coming.


yes, but they would've done so anyway. only if roddy hadn't done what he did, the deceps would've done it INSIDE the city as opposed to the extermities. he saved 'em.

repent your hotrod bashing and thou shalt be saved Sadako!

~Sado

While I might not agree with a lot of that, It was well written and highly amusing, so I still commend you.

The crusades gag especially.
I dont view it as the crusades since they were all fought over fictional silliness, and a fictional silliness that was nowhere near as cool as Jetfire was.
Funny line though.


I cannot however agree that I blasphemed exactly in Hot Rod's case.

Especially not when you have sullied the good names of Prime AND McClane on the same day.

Hang your head in shame, sir.

cheers, matebeer

Prime may have gotten his ass beat in Bays movie but he threw down on Megatron in the real movie

i really think in the second movie optimus would have rapped if all the decepticons didnt gang up... pussys, and you gotta love the way ioptimus say "IF I CAN'T TAKE ONE OF YOU, I'LL TAKE ALL OF YOU!" and then flips his second sword out an rapes... then they become scared and triple team him lol

that optimus prime in the jungle fight scene.. that's how optimus prime should be portrayed ALL the time. ALL the time? f*ck yeah, all the time. that was pure decepticon pwnage, man. double swords, cutting limbs off and firing off head shots. THAT is what optimus prime is about. megatron would get his ass handed to him had they rumbled 1 on 1 in the jungle.

In the first movie Optimus struggles to fight Megatron.
In this, if Sam wasn't there he would of pwned all three of them!

Man...

Prime RAGE'd their asses.

Double Swords to boot. Glad to see them taking note and having Prime go hardcore, unlike the 1st movie.

Yeah mate. I know what you mean.

Even as much as I didn't like aosme elements of this and most of the 1st one, that scene did have me getting that old Prime feeling.

See Bay f***ed up royally on the sizes front, due to his disregard of/lack of knowledge of the characters. Like Ive said from the beginning.

Making Megatron so big in the 1st and so unbeatable, then such a pussy in the sequel, as well as the size of Starscream, Blackout being bigger than Prime, It makes one of two things bullshit.

1) That Prime was so easily defeated in BTFs 1..by a Megatron soon after whipped by Humans...

2) That Prime was so victorious in that scene in the forest.

I personally think its option 1, but remember, originally in both Cartoon and Comic Prime was nearly totalled by the smaller Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp.

But never mind, that forest scene ended as it rightfully would in theory, with Prime in a state of fubar.

Originally posted by Scythe
I think Prime was new to the whole hand to hand combat aspect. I mean, he's not a machine of war like Megatron is, his fighting chops in the movie weren't that great because it's no his job to attempt to kill. Ya know?

This is incorrect. He had been fighting decepticons for thousands of years.


Originally posted by roughrider
On any given day, one of them can win the match. The cartoon showed this. In the film Megatron was fresh and angry, having been in statis lock for a few thousand years. Optimus was concerned about protecting Sam and had his back turned for Megatron to attack at one point. Megatron had the advantage late; maybe Prime could have pulled out some reserve energy to win, but the F-22s bombed Megatron at that point, making the point moot.

This post is correct. Thread can be closed now.

if they wanted it to be in-characters the forest scene would end with prime giving out his candies and talking about disney cartoons.


i'm serious

~Sado

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is incorrect. He had been fighting decepticons for thousands of years.

Yeah, I know what you mean know, after I saw the second film where he kicked ass in the forest, there's no way OP could've lost to Megs in the first one, bad writing on both Megs and OP's part. Megs was overpowering and in the sequel that seemed to be the case with OP.

Originally posted by Darth Rex
In the first movie Optimus struggles to fight Megatron.
In this, if Sam wasn't there he would of pwned all three of them!
I think if there was one less Decepticon he would of killed the two remaining ones. Optimus took a level in badass in this movie. He probably didn't even need the expansion pack in the end, although it did help him cover distance.