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Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg

Awwww SNAP. Don't **** with Spidey's aunt, he'll mess you up.

Dang! So, will he get the call from Ghost Rider or Punisher first offering a (junior) partnership with full benefits?

Thanks for the scans.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg
jawdrop Just jawdrop

That was an excellent issue!

way to go parker. kudos for the scans DC

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg


THAT.....WAS.................FUGGIN AWESOME !!!!

Thanks DarkCrawer :cool

...Fisk wanted to go one on one with spiderman!? What the hell was he thinking!? The guy can't even beat a fresh daredevil.

ow

Kick Ass!

Although, the suspense of the issue was a bit off since we all knew Kingpin would live through it (If you read Daredevil that is)

Also, I have a distinct feeling this is going to copout May's "inevitable" death, since Kingpin now needs her to live he'll probably pay for her to continue living

that is how every superhero should address the villain public. beat the shit out of someone, and tell everyone that they'll get the same and worse if they do anything to piss them off. crime would be done. all we need are more superheroes willing to kill people.

Originally posted by Disappear
that is how every superhero should address the villain public. beat the shit out of someone, and tell everyone that they'll get the same and worse if they do anything to piss them off. crime would be done. all we need are more superheroes willing to kill people.


So much for Truth, Justice, and The American Way....O wait...that is the American Way

Originally posted by Disappear
that is how every superhero should address the villain public. beat the shit out of someone, and tell everyone that they'll get the same and worse if they do anything to piss them off. crime would be done. all we need are more superheroes willing to kill people.

I agree.... because comic-book crime is related to todays society...

Like Batman

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg


Well yeah its cool Spiderman is getting respect instead of getting trouble with street levellers for a change, but can somebody explain to me how KP decided to shoot his aunt and challenge a pissed off Spiderman in front of all his boys?

Hey KPs all been beaten by DD before why not piss off an up-graded Spiderman and challlenge him to fight in front of your boys? "Hello my names Kingpin please f*** my s*** up. Duhhhhhhh!

O NO HE DIN'T

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah its cool Spiderman is getting respect instead of getting trouble with street levellers for a change, but can somebody explain to me how KP decided to shoot his aunt and challenge a pissed off Spiderman in front of all his boys?

Hey KPs all been beaten by DD before why not piss off an up-graded Spiderman and challlenge him to fight in front of your boys? \"Hello my names Kingpin please f*** my s*** up. Duhhhhhhh!

Oh you are mad becauze spiderman did what captain AMERICA FAILED TO DO ! BEAT KINGPIN now stop being a douchebasket and admit to Captain americas infereority.

Originally posted by MartianMindsMom
Oh you are mad becauze spiderman did what captain AMERICA FAILED TO DO ! BEAT KINGPIN now stop being a douchebasket and admit to Captain americas infereority.

what's wrong mate?

Look likes Lokis in effect today.

YEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHEYAH

Whoa

Aww, if just our comic store get it imported soon. I soo want to read it but don't dare look at scans, I want to experience it fully.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg


HELL... YEAH!!!!


THATS how I like my Spidey to roll.

That was downright scary!

You see, this is why I read Image. Its because of hero's like Spidey there willing to do what they have to. They have fear and thats all they need.

Yeah but........


Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah its cool Spiderman is getting respect instead of getting trouble with street levellers for a change, but can somebody explain to me how KP decided to shoot his aunt and challenge a pissed off Spiderman in front of all his boys?

Hey KPs all been beaten by DD before why not piss off an up-graded Spiderman and challlenge him to fight in front of your boys? "Hello my names Kingpin please f*** my s*** up. Duhhhhhhh!

Same here. Kingpin is suppose to be a smart guy right? How can he have any hope of beating spiderman when he can't even hang with the top tier street levelers?

Maybe he expected his men to help. I donno.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah its cool Spider man is getting respect instead of getting trouble with street levellers for a change, but can somebody explain to me how KP decided to shoot his aunt and challenge a pissed off Spider man in front of all his boys?

Hey KPs all been beaten by DD before why not piss off an up-graded Spider man and challlenge him to fight in front of your boys? "Hello my names Kingpin please f*** my s*** up. Duhhhhhhh! I don't thing he was expecting that. Spider man never fights anyone like that, he rarely even used acrobatics in that fight. He probably expected the same empty threat that good super heroes give even though they have no intention of killing someone.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Maybe he expected his men to help. I donno.


I dont think that was the plan. The idea seemed to be to humiliate him in front of everyone and even they were Spiderman has fought that many people before.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I don't thing he was expecting that. Spider man never fights anyone like that, he rarely even used acrobatics in that fight. He probably expected the same empty threat that good super heroes give even though they have no intention of killing someone.

I dont know what you mean. Spiderman has given DD a beating why would he expect to beat Spiderman when DD has beaten him already, at any rate there was a distinct possibility that he would lose. KP shoots Spidermans aunt and doesnt expect to get a beating? Completely illogical. KPs brain went on vacation.

No plan, no battlesuit...nothing, just challenges him to one on one combat.

Cheers for the scans Darkcrawler

Originally posted by Disappear


Great sig

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.
but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.




it really doesn't. compared to kingpin and DD's usual brawls this seems pretty tame by comparison. Especially when you realize how much more damage spidey could have inflicted considering his strength... I mean i know he wouldn't have killed him but at least he could have knocked him out at the end.


what crappy story. Another obvious "Oh noes spidey so mad he can kill...but he won't.


Bendis manage to do the whole "beat you to a bloody pulp and humiliate you in front of your underlings" thing a lot better in his DD run.


still thanks for your scans.

Thanks for shitting on this thread, Black Adam.

Read it a day back and wow, that was one amazing chapter

Peter kicked ass.

Originally posted by Black Adam
it really doesn't. compared to kingpin and DD's usual brawls this seems pretty tame by comparison. Especially when you realize how much more damage spidey could have inflicted considering his strength... I mean i know he wouldn't have killed him but at least he could have knocked him out at the end.


what crappy story. Another obvious "Oh noes spidey so mad he can kill...but he won't.


Bendis manage to do the whole "beat you to a bloody pulp and humiliate you in front of your underlings" thing a lot better in his DD run.


still thanks for your scans.

Name one Kingpin/Daredevil fight that has been THIS onesided.

Spider-Man wasn't even trying.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Name one Kingpin/Daredevil fight that has been THIS onesided.

Spider-Man wasn't even trying.

..and again why would Kp put himself in a situation like that?

Originally posted by Black Adam
it really doesn't. compared to kingpin and DD's usual brawls this seems pretty tame by comparison. Especially when you realize how much more damage spidey could have inflicted considering his strength... I mean i know he wouldn't have killed him but at least he could have knocked him out at the end.


what crappy story. Another obvious "Oh noes spidey so mad he can kill...but he won't.


Bendis manage to do the whole "beat you to a bloody pulp and humiliate you in front of your underlings" thing a lot better in his DD run.


still thanks for your scans.

Originally posted by Black Adam

Bendis manage to do the whole "beat you to a bloody pulp and humiliate you in front of your underlings" thing a lot better in his DD run.

Yup, quoted for truth.

Kingpin is just a villain in question now. He was morally beaten after Brubaker's first DD arc...returned as the villain in Runaways briefly...and now gets morally destroyed by Spiderman...before the DD arc finished...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg


All I have to say is DAMN!!!

I still wish he would have killed him though... I hate the F***ing
kingpin!

thanks for the scans....does my heart good to see a good @$$ kickin.

Originally posted by Alfheim
..and again why would Kp put himself in a situation like that?

Don't know.

Maybe because he thought he would be facing the same insecure joke-cracking teenager he fought and defeated years ago? Kingpin was Spidey foe first. Perhaps it was just underestimation.

But what does that have to do with my reply?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Name one Kingpin/Daredevil fight that has been THIS onesided.

Spider-Man wasn't even trying.

kind of hard considering their about evenly match.



but your right pete wasn't trying. He did more damage to the crooks he was interrogating then he did the actual kingpin. Matt left him a unconscious bag of meat in their last big fight. When you compare the actual beatings kingpin received this fight really does seem tame. I'd guess I'd be bitching less if actually manged to do some damage that wouldn't just heal within a week or two. He could have at least broken the nose of the guy that just ordered his aunt killed.





Originally posted by Validus
Thanks for shitting on this thread, Black Adam.

I love you too val.

that was good

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Name one Kingpin/Daredevil fight that has been THIS onesided.

Spider-Man wasn't even trying.

Obviously he was trying

He wasn't pulling any punches (as he said earlier)

But I can see what you were saying, because he wasn't putting in a full effort

Originally posted by Black Adam
kind of hard considering their about evenly match.



but your right pete wasn't trying. He did more damage to the crooks he was interrogating then he did the actual kingpin. Matt left him a unconscious bag of meat in their last big fight. When you compare the actual beatings kingpin received this fight really does seem tame. I'd guess I'd be bitching less if actually manged to do some damage that wouldn't just heal within a week or two. He could have at least broken the nose of the guy that just ordered his aunt killed.


Daredevil (although it doesn't say it anymore) is basically a Mature book, so it's not surprising that the beating DD gave Fisk was a lot more graphic.

Plus, he couldn't have been TOO injured in order for him to look like he did when he last appeared in Daredevil (which took place after this arc)

Heh, the best part was when Pete called him a Fatman.

Originally posted by superkronick92
Heh, the best part was when Pete called him a Fatman. Stupid minds are easily amused.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Don't know.

Maybe because he thought he would be facing the same insecure joke-cracking teenager he fought and defeated years ago? Kingpin was Spidey foe first. Perhaps it was just underestimation.

Why would he think that when Spiderman has more experience and hes just shoot his aunt. Illogical.



Originally posted by DarkCrawler


But what does that have to do with my reply?

Im just commenting on the scans. Thats what this thread is about.

Why are you asking for answers from people who have only read the comic?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Why are you asking for answers from people who have only read the comic?

talking to me?

He should have done to him what Brian did to stewy.

kingpin's always played off the moral constraints of the heroes he faces. he probably expected to play pete for the chump in front of his boys and re-establish some street cred. illogical or not, that IS how the kingpin tends to think. it's resulted in him NOT getting his ass kicked far more often in the past than not.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sorry DigiMark.

I don't think I have ever seen this kind of ownage in comic book. Both verbally and physically. I mean...Kingpin has been beaten by Daredevil before, but THIS...Daredevil seems tame in comparision.

Spidey is so badass. See it for yourself:

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k1cz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k2nb4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k3ns3.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k4rh2.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k5si5.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k6kw6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k8ua8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k9yh8.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k10uq7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k11eh9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k12gy7.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k13da4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k14fk7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k15wj4.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k16ab9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k17fv2.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k18ck9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=k19cy7.jpg
This goes as a big ***** smack to the faces of the fanboys and others who argue that Spiderman can't fight while mad, or that he gets beaten against people with no powers, because he just "can't fight". There's a difference from fighting and jobbing my friends and this proved that. Nice work, shame I won't be around to argue the definitive retorts I'll most likely get.

Originally posted by Disappear
kingpin's always played off the moral constraints of the heroes he faces. he probably expected to play pete for the chump in front of his boys and re-establish some street cred. illogical or not, that IS how the kingpin tends to think. it's resulted in him NOT getting his ass kicked far more often in the past than not.

Fair enough.


Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This goes as a big ***** smack to the faces of the fanboys and others who argue that Spiderman can't fight while mad, or that he gets beaten against people with no powers, because he just "can't fight". There's a difference from fighting and jobbing my friends and this proved that. Nice work, shame I won't be around to argue the definitive retorts I'll most likely get.

It was expected. When KP becomes enhanced and studies Spidermans style to a T then come back to us.

Lets see Wolverine match that.

Stupid fanboys.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Fair enough.




It was expected. When KP becomes enhanced and studies Spidermans style to a T then come back to us. Just the comment I was waiting for, and actually have time to answer. Of course he could do that same tactic to Cap and other street levelers even faster and even easier than he could do it to overtake Parker, and in this case he DOES know Parker. This is exactly the kind of hating I'm talking about. You came in this thread for no reason other than to diminish the feat because you don't like it.

So in every fight Cap has won I'll just say, "Give the character class 100 strength and let him master Cap's style." Sort of how Iron Man beat the shit out of Captain America doing that. Does that count?

If it was expected, then why use the shitty argument that he can't beat said people under said circumstances time and time again. And that's aimed at everyone who has used it. Spiderman whooped his ass fair and square, and without trying just like he should have. Get over it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Just the comment I was waiting for, and actually have time to answer. Of course he could do that same tactic to Cap and other street levelers even faster and even easier than he could do it to overtake Parker,

Yeah he could actually to most street levelers. The only people who I think stand a chance against a serious Spiderman are Cap, Wolverine and DD....maybe. Possibly IF but ive only read issue 1 of immortal IF, apparently hes even better. Spidermans last fight with IF didnt look good.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

and in this case he DOES know Parker.

Er Bro he hasnt studied his style.....theres a difference

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

This is exactly the kind of hating I'm talking about. You came in this thread for no reason other than to diminish the feat because you don't like it.

Do you see this bit where I said....

Originally posted by Alfheim

It was expected.


I dunno man I thought that implied that I expected KP to get his ass handed to him by Spiderman. Im not arguing against KP getting beaten, im arguing against him putting himself in that position.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

So in every fight Cap has won I'll just say, "Give the character class 100 strength and let him master Cap's style." Sort of how Iron Man beat the shit out of Captain America doing that. Does that count?

If it was expected, then why use the shitty argument that he can't beat said people under said circumstances time and time again. And that's aimed at everyone who has used it. Spiderman whooped his ass fair and square, and without trying just like he should have. Get over it.

Er because hes not enhanced. He hasnt studied his style. He doesnt have a healing factor or adamantuim bones. He doesnt have an indestructible shield. I dont even think hes top tier.

As you've seen I already admitted he would lose.....I really dont know what you're complaining about.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er Bro he hasnt studied his style.....theres a difference Uh... ya he has...

The reson spiderman didn't do more damage physically is because he wasn't trying to attack him physically so much as emotionally and attacking his reputation.

He did something passive agressive, leaving him alive but under such circumstances that it'll eat the guy alive mentally.

There are after all fates worse than death. Had he just killed the guy, it would have been kinder than leaving him in the state he was currently in.

The Bad:
- Fans won't realize that Pete, when angry, has ripped a new one for numerous people in his rogues gallery. This isn't an isolated occurence, and has to be taken into consideration with all of his other showings. It doesn't automatically make Fisk completely sh*t in a fight.
- Mad or not, KP deserves better. Screw you, Straczynski.

The Good:
- Cool fight, and yes it shows what Spidey can do when angry.
- I've been using the webbing-in-the-throat argument on the forums for years now, notably in a few debates about SM/Wolverine. Finally there's some on-panel evidence to back me up.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The Bad:
- Fans won't realize that Pete, when angry, has ripped a new one for numerous people in his rogues gallery. This isn't an isolated occurence, and has to be taken into consideration with all of his other showings. It doesn't automatically make Fisk completely sh*t in a fight.
- Mad or not, KP deserves better. Screw you, Straczynski.



I dunno man you were complaining Spiderman doesnt get enough love, you said Marvel has forgotten that Spidermans been upgraded. Surely an upgraded Spiderman should kick his ass. The only thing is that KP didnt even have a plan.

...felt like bumping this:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The Bad:
- Fans won't realize that Pete, when angry, has ripped a new one for numerous people in his rogues gallery. This isn't an isolated occurence, and has to be taken into consideration with all of his other showings. It doesn't automatically make Fisk completely sh*t in a fight.
- Mad or not, KP deserves better. Screw you, Straczynski.

The Good:
- Cool fight, and yes it shows what Spidey can do when angry.
- I've been using the webbing-in-the-throat argument on the forums for years now, notably in a few debates about SM/Wolverine. Finally there's some on-panel evidence to back me up.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man you were complaining Spiderman doesnt get enough love, you said Marvel has forgotten that Spidermans been upgraded. Surely an upgraded Spiderman should kick his ass. The only thing is that KP didnt even have a plan.

That was when Cap won their recent encounter, and it was a valid complaint. And I'm almost as big a KP fan as Spidey, so this is a rare exception where I actually mind Pete whupping the f*ck out of someone. They have no problems having Pete getting his ass handed to him in his other titles, or jobbing in crossovers, but can't respect his continuity with the Kingpin.

Yes, Pete should win. But he should have to exert more effort to beat Fisk so horribly, angry or not. And yeah, also because Fisk was all suave and cool but didn't have the ace up his sleeve like he always does...he was a fall guy for Spidey to look cool in his black costume, nothing more.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That was when Cap won their recent encounter, and it was a valid complaint. And I'm almost as big a KP fan as Spidey, so this is a rare exception where I actually mind Pete whupping the f*ck out of someone. They have no problems having Pete getting his ass handed to him in his other titles, or jobbing in crossovers, but can't respect his continuity with the Kingpin.

BOOOOO!!!!! You hate KP getting beaten up by Spiderman but you got a problem with Cap beating Spiderman? KP isnt even enhanced.

Originally posted by Alfheim
BOOOOO!!!!! You hate KP getting beaten up by Spiderman but you got a problem with Cap beating Spiderman? KP isnt even enhanced.

I beg to differ. Fisk also pwned the hell out of Cap in their lone encounter.

Spiderman's man-crush on Steve probably was a large factor haermm.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I beg to differ. Fisk also pwned the hell out of Cap in their lone encounter.


How long ago was that? That was one encounter.

Compare that to:

A) A robot clone of Spiderman saying it cant take Cap in H2H
B) Then the real Spiderman saying the samething
C)Cap beating Spiderman villains like Scorpion.
D)Not to mention the fact that Cap had studied Spidermans style there is lot of evidence to say that there was nothing wrong with the fight.

I dont think KP has all that going for him but you think Spiderman should nt beat KP like that because of one encounter, pure bias.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Spiderman's man-crush on Steve probably was a large factor haermm.

What I have posted above refutes that even if it was it doesnt make a difference. Furthermore do you think Cap wanted to beat up somebody who was his friend and didnt want to fight him. You really think Cap wanted to beat Pete?

Originally posted by Alfheim
How long ago was that? That was one encounter.

Compare that to:

A) A robot clone of Spiderman saying it cant take Cap in H2H
B) Then the real Spiderman saying the samething
C)Cap beating Spiderman villains like Scorpion.
D)Not to mention the fact that Cap had studied Spidermans style there is lot of evidence to say that there was nothing wrong with the fight.

I dont think KP has all that going for him but you think Spiderman should nt beat KP like that because of one encounter, pure bias.

*sigh*

No, my original argument didn't even include Cap, it was simply about KP's history, but you're attempting to change it to make your point. Shoddy debating, that.

Spider-Man had a losing record against KP up to this point. In fact, he had never even won 1 fight against him without a plot device. It wasn't Fisk that needed PIS to win, it was Pete. For years on end, Fisk was among Spidey's toughest villians...and better than most, and physically overpowered him on more than one occasion. It wasn't a fluke, because it happened several times. It was canon. KP also has wins over the likes of Cap and Red Skull, so it's not just Pete.

But then he becomes more of a "guy with the plan" instead of a brawler starting in the early 90's, and suddenly his continuity (never ret-conned) is thrown out the window and he's made into someone who's << DD.

Then this fight comes along, and not only can't he put up a fight, but he also doesn't have a plan. Total disrespect to the character. Total and utter.

I said Spidey should win. But I also said I wasn't happy about how it went down...and I feel like I was fully justified in my claim.

....

Your points are all valid about Cap, but the difference in sheer physical stats between him and Spidey is so vast that anyone who thinks Cap should win has their head so far up his flag-waving behind, that they can't smell anything but apple pie, patriotism, and ass. It would be a good fight (like KP/Spidey should be), and there's no doubt that Cap's a lot more skilled, but Pete should once again win.

Question to Digi re: KP from someone who knows pretty much all they know about him from the cartoon...

Why is Fisk good enough to beat DD or Spidey? does he have actual powers or is he just incredibly skilled?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
*sigh*

No, my original argument didn't even include Cap, it was simply about KP's history, but you're attempting to change it to make your point. Shoddy debating, that.


Er excuse me dont accuse of attempting to do anything maybe I misunderstood you. My point was that I didnt understand how you think that KP should be able to beat Spiderman but Cap cant, isnt that what you said? Dindt you refer to the Civil War and state how you dindt like how the fight between Cap and Spidey went down?


Originally posted by DigiMark007

Spider-Man had a losing record against KP up to this point. In fact, he had never even won 1 fight against him without a plot device. It wasn't Fisk that needed PIS to win, it was Pete. For years on end, Fisk was among Spidey's toughest villians...and better than most, and physically overpowered him on more than one occasion. It wasn't a fluke, because it happened several times. It was canon. KP also has wins over the likes of Cap and Red Skull, so it's not just Pete.

But then he becomes more of a "guy with the plan" instead of a brawler starting in the early 90's, and suddenly his continuity (never ret-conned) is thrown out the window and he's made into someone who's << DD.

Then this fight comes along, and not only can't he put up a fight, but he also doesn't have a plan. Total disrespect to the character. Total and utter.

I said Spidey should win. But I also said I wasn't happy about how it went down...and I feel like I was fully justified in my claim.

....

Actually I agree with that, as I was saying what got me was that KP didnt even have a plan.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Your points are all valid about Cap, but the difference in sheer physical stats between him and Spidey is so vast that anyone who thinks Cap should win has their head so far up his flag-waving behind, that they can't smell anything but apple pie, patriotism, and ass. It would be a good fight (like KP/Spidey should be), and there's no doubt that Cap's a lot more skilled, but Pete should once again win.

Well no, the only thing that Spiderman greatly exceeds Cap is in strength. He is more durable and faster than Cap but not by a great deal. I think Spiderman wins via webbing and but there is plenty of evidence to say that Cap can take Spiderman H2H.

Originally posted by pr1983
Question to Digi re: KP from someone who knows pretty much all they know about him from the cartoon...

Why is Fisk good enough to beat DD or Spidey? does he have actual powers or is he just incredibly skilled?

A little of both, actually. The original explanation was that Fisk was huge as hell, then honed all of his body weight into pure muscle, making him far far above normal human beings. He has snapped peoples' bones like twigs, bent and broken steel bars and, like I mentioned, overpowered Spidey himself back in his 10-ton days.

Rationally speaking, it shouldn't make him 10 tons. But on-panel evidence until recently would put him around that. Very little in comics is rational, so believing he was at that level wasn't hard when his feats were considered.

He's also trained for years as a martial artist, and would actually be a lot more skilled than Pete in pure fighting ability. There's a fun panel where he's punking the hell out of some ninjas while training, then decides it's too boring and has all of them (dozens) attack him at once. he still wins easily.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
A little of both, actually. The original explanation was that Fisk was huge as hell, then honed all of his body weight into pure muscle, making him far far above normal human beings. He has snapped peoples' bones like twigs, bent and broken steel bars and, like I mentioned, overpowered Spidey himself back in his 10-ton days.

Rationally speaking, it shouldn't make him 10 tons. But on-panel evidence until recently would put him around that. Very little in comics is rational, so believing he was at that level wasn't hard when his feats were considered.

He's also trained for years as a martial artist, and would actually be a lot more skilled than Pete in pure fighting ability. There's a fun panel where he's punking the hell out of some ninjas while training, then decides it's too boring and has all of them (dozens) attack him at once. he still wins easily.

cool... the fat turning to muscle thing does make it clearer...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well no, the only thing that Spiderman greatly exceeds Cap is in strength. He is more durable and faster than Cap but not by a great deal. I think Spiderman wins via webbing and but there is plenty of evidence to say that Cap can take Spiderman H2H.

Problem is that Cap is...1 Ton? 2 if we're generous? Spidey's at least 7x stronger. That's like a professional athlete vs. a 15-year-old girl, to put it in perspective. Then yeah, durability and speed. And again, the speed difference is fairly considerable. Also add in Spidey's pre-cog. And his webs. And now his stingers. Cap has skill, but in the scheme of things that becomes kinda small....enough to make it a good fight, but not nearly enough to give him the win.

Anyway, let's not make this Spidey vs. Cap. I left the vs. forum for a reason, and don't really care if anyone agrees with me anymore about such things. I just hate when character traits are ignored for the sake of a story, or vice versa.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Problem is that Cap is...1 Ton? 2 if we're generous? Spidey's at least 7x stronger. That's like a professional athlete vs. a 15-year-old girl, to put it in perspective. Then yeah, durability and speed. And again, the speed difference is fairly considerable. Also add in Spidey's pre-cog. And his webs. And now his stingers. Cap has skill, but in the scheme of things that becomes kinda small....enough to make it a good fight, but not nearly enough to give him the win.

Anyway, let's not make this Spidey vs. Cap. I left the vs. forum for a reason, and don't really care if anyone agrees with me anymore about such things. I just hate when character traits are ignored for the sake of a story, or vice versa.

Yes better leave it here otherwise it will go on forever especially since I disagree with some of those points.

Originally posted by pr1983
cool... the fat turning to muscle thing does make it clearer...



Glad to help. KP isn't known too well for his fighting abilities anymore on the forums, so I find myself having to defend him a lot from people who think he's a low-street jobber who happens to be fat and have some money.

Originally posted by DigiMark007


Glad to help. KP isn't known too well for his fighting abilities anymore on the forums, so I find myself having to defend him a lot from people who think he's a low-street jobber who happens to be fat and have some money.

truth be told before i asked you, i had that same opinion...

Originally posted by DigiMark007


Glad to help. KP isn't known too well for his fighting abilities anymore on the forums, so I find myself having to defend him a lot from people who think he's a low-street jobber who happens to be fat and have some money.

My 2cents. I actually did know that he isnt fat at all, he body is pure muscle. I also know he is an MA expert. I do think KP is underated though, but I guess I dont know how good he is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
My 2cents. I actually did know that he isnt fat at all, he body is pure muscle. I also know he is an MA expert. I do think KP is underated though, but I guess I dont know how good he is.

And maybe I'm not smelling that apple pie enough.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And maybe I'm not smelling that apple pie enough.

fat can't turn into muscle, technically. lipids and protein are wildly different in their makeup, and while protein in the muscles can deteriorate or be metabolised, and volumetrically replaced by glycogen and fat cells, they can't turn into one another.

anyway, in david mack's introductory echo arc, he explains a good deal of why kingpin's so big and fat and bald, and that it's not just obesity but a carefully crafted image meant to impose and strike fear and yadda yadda. he also had a hamster named benjamin franklin.

I knew someone was going to say it...

i can type faster, because i'm not paralyzed from the neck down.

Originally posted by Disappear
fat can't turn into muscle, technically. lipids and protein are wildly different in their makeup, and while protein in the muscles can deteriorate or be metabolised, and volumetrically replaced by glycogen and fat cells, they can't turn into one another.

anyway, in david mack's introductory echo arc, he explains a good deal of why kingpin's so big and fat and bald, and that it's not just obesity but a carefully crafted image meant to impose and strike fear and yadda yadda. he also had a hamster named benjamin franklin.

Well ive read alot of sources saying that KP is pure muscle, its just seems some writer who doesnt have any respect for KP came along and decided to retcon and **** his **** up.

Originally posted by Disappear
fat can't turn into muscle, technically. lipids and protein are wildly different in their makeup, and while protein in the muscles can deteriorate or be metabolised, and volumetrically replaced by glycogen and fat cells, they can't turn into one another.

anyway, in david mack's introductory echo arc, he explains a good deal of why kingpin's so big and fat and bald, and that it's not just obesity but a carefully crafted image meant to impose and strike fear and yadda yadda. he also had a hamster named benjamin franklin. Technically people can turn to rock and be super strong or fly using a hammer.

Its comics for Christ sake.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Technically people can turn to rock and be super strong or fly using a hammer.

Its comics for Christ sake.

Yeah....that also.

Originally posted by Disappear
i can type faster, because i'm not paralyzed from the neck down. Ya but, the magic of technology allows me to display my typing by thoughts.

Jessica Alba naked in a whipped cream surprise.

See! You can't type that shit. That's deep dark fantasys too!

comics where, for the non-powered community basic scientific constraints, like human anatomy, the difference between lipids and polypeptides, and caloric and dietary necessities still apply. just sayin'.

i'm not saying kingpin's not mostly muscle. i've seen a handful of comics where someone's commented on how much punching him felt like hitting a brick wall. i think daredevil mentioned his knuckles breaking during his last, "i'm the kingpin now, bitches" fight. i was just trying to direct yous to some insights into his physique's mystique.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3678/amazingspiderman541017tt0.th.jpg

He had just given a lot of blood to his aunt.

Originally posted by Alfheim
My 2cents

Sup?

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Same here. Kingpin is suppose to be a smart guy right? How can he have any hope of beating spiderman when he can't even hang with the top tier street levelers?

He's held his own against Spider Man in the past, plus Daredevil and Captain America. But Spidey has always had the kids gloves on in the past. Peter doesn't realize how much he holds back most of the time.
If Kingpin knew what had happened many years ago, when Tombstone hurt Mary Jane - when Spidey confronted him, a light seemed to go on in Peter's mind; he's just a man, I'm Spider Man! Then beat him badly & humiliated Tombstone.
So, you touch, hurt or try to kill Mary Jane or Aunt May - Peter puts away the hero rulebook and opens the big can of whupass! Remember, he nearly killed Norman Osborne after he killed Gwen Stacy.

Originally posted by roughrider
He's held his own against Spider Man in the past, plus Daredevil and Captain America. But Spidey has always had the kids gloves on in the past. Peter doesn't realize how much he holds back most of the time.
If Kingpin knew what had happened many years ago, when Tombstone hurt Mary Jane - when Spidey confronted him, a light seemed to go on in Peter's mind; he's just a man, I'm Spider Man! Then beat him badly & humiliated Tombstone.
So, you touch, hurt or try to kill Mary Jane or Aunt May - Peter puts away the hero rulebook and opens the big can of whupass! Remember, he nearly killed Norman Osborne after he killed Gwen Stacy.

I think that was Spidey's message to Kingpin and every thug out there as well. Touch my family and you die. Hell, he even said it

Originally posted by llagrok
I think that was Spidey's message to Kingpin and every thug out there as well. Touch my family and you die. Hell, he even said it
good man

didn't pete give her a blood transfusion in the past, only to wind up slowly killing her due to the radiation in his blood as a result of the spider bite?

Originally posted by roughrider
He's held his own against Spider Man in the past, plus Daredevil and Captain America. But Spidey has always had the kids gloves on in the past. Peter doesn't realize how much he holds back most of the time.
If Kingpin knew what had happened many years ago, when Tombstone hurt Mary Jane - when Spidey confronted him, a light seemed to go on in Peter's mind; he's just a man, I'm Spider Man! Then beat him badly & humiliated Tombstone.

That sounded interesting, unfortunately I can't say I have read that. When did that happen?

Originally posted by Disappear
didn't pete give her a blood transfusion in the past, only to wind up slowly killing her due to the radiation in his blood as a result of the spider bite? well she was gonna die without it, might as well try, right?

Originally posted by Disappear
didn't pete give her a blood transfusion in the past, only to wind up slowly killing her due to the radiation in his blood as a result of the spider bite? Don't you just love Marvel's stupidity and inconsistency?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Don't you just love Marvel's stupidity and inconsistency? Am I the only one who thinks your sig looks dirty?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Am I the only one who thinks your sig looks dirty? You're the first to mention it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're the first to mention it. Now it's going to haunt you.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Now it's going to haunt you.

Nope, you pretty much blew that up by using the word haunt....

Originally posted by Creshosk


Nope, you pretty much blew that up by using the word haunt.... I can see you, desperatley whipping up a new sig. sly

Cool issue, thanx for postin. Man that's the first time I've seen Spidey like that, BADASS. Like a

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I can see you, desperatley whipping up a new sig. sly The chapter that this one came from involved a ghost... so when you said that it'd haunt me... well that alone reminds me of it.

I just thought it was funny that they mention the Colonel Sanders effect.. it just seemed so random.

nice job peter, seeing him in that badass manner is cool i hope we will see more of that spiderman.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Lets see Wolverine match that.

Stupid fanboys.

Match what? Beating kingpin? pffft.... Wolverine's too buisy taking down he blob and namor to waist 3 seconds stabbing a fat guy like kingpin.

Originally posted by jinzin
Match what? Beating kingpin? pffft.... Wolverine's too buisy taking down he blob and namor to waist 3 seconds stabbing a fat guy like kingpin.

Taking down Namor is bullshit know. He shouldn't last two seconds, the guy knocks around Hulk. When fanboys realise that the world will be a better place.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Your points are all valid about Cap, but the difference in sheer physical stats between him and Spidey is so vast that anyone who thinks Cap should win has their head so far up his flag-waving behind, that they can't smell anything but apple pie, patriotism, and ass. It would be a good fight (like KP/Spidey should be), and there's no doubt that Cap's a lot more skilled, but Pete should once again win.

That sounds like a huge bowl of steaming hypocrisy to me; I don't quite follow your logic here.
From what I can gather:
You think that it's fine that Kingpin beats on Spidey in their fights since that's the way it's always been, and/or because Fisk is a brawler.

Yet here you have Captain America, another character who has come out on top of Spidey in a "that's the way it's always been" kind of fasion and who is a living weapon; one of, if not THE best hand to hand fighter on earth 616.

But, It's okay for Kingpin to do good against Spidey but not Cap because of the difference of statistical physicality between the Spidey and Cap?
What stats does Fisk have physically that puts him in any better position to fight Spiderman than Cap does?
His fat?
I mean seriously;
Can Kingpin move fast enough to dodge bullets and lazers like Cap can? Can he move fast enough to vanish in front of peaople's faces?
Can he "see faster" like Steve too?
Does he have Caps acrobatic agility?
An indestructible weapon?
Cap's fighting experience and versatility?
Can he strategize a fight anywhere near the capacity that Steve can?
He's strong but how strong? What's his best feat of sheer strength?

And if all this defense of Kingpin comes soley from how well Fisk has done with Spidey then again, wtf? Cap's ALWAYS done well with Spidey.
In their first encounter Spidey wasn't fast enough to land an offensive shot on Steve. Hell, the issue before that, Cap's student in the Falcon was puttin a whoopin on Spidey's face in h2h, he just didn't have the stopping power behind his shots to really effect Spidey.
In their second encounter, the Spider-bot admitted he couldn't take Steve in a h2h fight.
Third, Steve came up on Spidey so fast that Pete was beside himself, then Parker once again got owned with a right hook knocking him on his ass, the narration even describing that Cap had dealt with more daunting opponents than Spider-Man, Spidey seeing stars while planted on the ground.
Fourth, Spidey had the iron-suit, Caps shield, camoflauge, AND a cheap shot WITH THE DAMNED SHIELD and he still couldn't get the job done; Steve had him airborne with one punch.
Fifth, well we all know how that fight went, "He's already hit me three times, I haven't hit him once".

If it's due to Fisk's feat over Cap,

I'm inclined to say that ONE LONE encounter between Fisk and Cap isn't enough to discredit Cap to be under him (Wasn't it implied that cap was a bit taken by surprise from Fisk?) at any facet or degree whatsoever, but if it's to be taken into consideration for how well Fisk would fair with Cap, then you can't just discard the feats that Cap has shown with Spidey.

In a rematch where Cap knew what he was dealing with I doubt Fisk would fair anywhere NEAR as well.
I mean Cap didn't even TRY to use his sheild offensively.

Do I even need to start rattling off the names of characters Cap's put down that Pin wouldn't stand the first chance against?

Hell, Cap got surprise-attacked by a techno enhanced Hobgoblin AND lady Dock Ock and he creamed both of them. Both Parker AND Ben Reily had problems with Lady Ock ALONE.

Sorry but there's no good reason to jusitfy that Cap absolutely can't beat Spidey in a fight when all evidence points to otherwise. And Fisk doing well over Cap once means nothing in the Cap vs Spidey debate if he was also stomping on Spidey for YEARS.


What you said: Hilarious, but less than justified.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness


Taking down Namor is bullshit know. He shouldn't last two seconds, the guy knocks around Hulk. When fanboys realise that the world will be a better place.

Do you have anyother reasoning the back that up besides "he fights hulk" considering that's Wolverine's variable day job?

what about "he actually hurts the hulk when they fight"?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyway, let's not make this Spidey vs. Cap. I left the vs. forum for a reason, and don't really care if anyone agrees with me anymore about such things. I just hate when character traits are ignored for the sake of a story, or vice versa. Sorry but I have to.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Problem is that Cap is...1 Ton? 2 if we're generous?
2 tons at least.
The man's lifted over 1,000 pounds above his head and gone for a run, he was benching 11 hundred pounds while having an in depth conversation and wasn't straining himself in the least.


Originally posted by DigiMark007
Spidey's at least 7x stronger. That's like a professional athlete vs. a 15-year-old girl, to put it in perspective.
Not really in perspective, Spiderman is a good deal stronger, but this isn't a wrestling competition or lifting competition. In terms of Spiderman's strength as related to a fight with Cap, there's only two questions that really matter...
1, Can Cap take Spiderman's punches?
and 2, Should he land punches, will Cap's hits have enough stopping power to actually hurt Spiderman?
The answer to both questions is yes, and with Cap's shield Spiderman's strength will only take him so far.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Then yeah, durability and speed. And again, the speed difference is fairly considerable.
Is it? Really? Because I haven't seen ONE feat of sheer speed from Spiderman that outstrips the things that Cap has done.

Again, the only questions that need be answered here are thus:
Is Spiderman's durability too much for Cap to affect?
Is Spiderman's speed too much for Cap to deal with in a fight?
The answer to both of THESE questions is no.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also add in Spidey's pre-cog.
His Spider sense is nothing more than an equalizer for his lackof skill.
Spiderman's a reactive fighter, he moves in tandem with what his instincts and reflexes tell him to. He reacts to what's put on his plate, Cap, he's the type of fighter to think 4 to 10 steps ahead, he can use Spiderman's spider sense against him like he did in their last fight.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And his webs. And now his stingers.
Spidey's webs are another game altogether and his stingers I think only come out when he's fighting particular mysitcally charged opponents, or at least that's what was implied a couple months back while he was fighting... ( i don't remember her name but she also has stingers)
The ones he used with Stegron I'm almost positive were nothing more than the properties of the Iron-suit.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cap has skill, but in the scheme of things that becomes kinda small.... Since when?

Originally posted by Disappear
what about "he actually hurts the hulk when they fight"?

How about, Wolverine's almost kiled the Hulk.

Originally posted by jinzin
Do you have anyother reasoning the back that up besides "he fights hulk" considering that's Wolverine's variable day job? Which shouldn't be. Seriously this guy is slower, weaker and not as good as Spidey. The only thing Wolvy has is claws and it does shit to Hulk, hell he heals from them so fast you never notice a cut. (Apart from the time Hulk was tearing him and Wolvy retracted his claws and cut Hulks hands, that was pure brilliance)

Namor can fly, is faster than Wolvy, stronger and ca take some claws and get back up. Not only that but he can fly, Wolvy needs a lucky shot to beat him, nothing else can touch him.

I miss old Logan, he pwned.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Which shouldn't be. Seriously this guy is slower, weaker and not as good as Spidey. The only thing Wolvy has is claws and it does shit to Hulk, hell he heals from them so fast you never notice a cut. (Apart from the time Hulk was tearing him and Wolvy retracted his claws and cut Hulks hands, that was pure brilliance)
You have to be Spiderman to fight Hulk now?


Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Namor can fly, So what? how does that help him to win a fight?

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
is faster than Wolvy,

No he isn't.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
stronger Again so what? His strength only matters so much, since between Logan's healing factor and adamntium skeleton he can often take more brute punishment than most bricks can.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
and ca take some claws and get back up. depends where Logan hits him, depends if Logan lets him.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Not only that but he can fly, Wolvy needs a lucky shot to beat him, nothing else can touch him.
Cleary he doesn't since he's hit Namor EVEY TIME they have fought.
You're talking out your ass.

I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....

Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.

Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. .

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....

Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.

Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. . Yeah it kind of deteriorated into that, but I have no problems stroking this feat.. Hell, look at my first post on pag two of this thread.. I thought this was a great presentation of the character.. not only feat wise but story wise, it was cool imo.

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....

Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.

Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. . I'd blame Jack Harkness's trolling. He's the first one who even mentioned wolverine, which was not needed.

Yeah, wtf. Keep it to the vs. forum, because this is already in the respect thread so I'd have no problem closing this thread. I dropped my little spat with Alfheim (which was more about respecting KP's character than anything having to do with Cap/Logan), only to have my words brought back up again as if it was a vs. thread.

How the f*ck did this turn into a wolverine thread?!?!?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, wtf. Keep it ta tha vs with the gangsta shit that keeps ya hangin. forum, coz this is already in tha respect thread so I'd hizzy no problem clos'n this thread to increase tha peace. I dropped mah shawty spizzat wit Alfheim (which was more `bout respect'n KP's hustla than gang bangin' messin' ta do wit Cap/Logan), only ta have mah words brought bizzack up again as if it was a vs yaba daba dizzle. thread so jus' chill.

Teh Digi has spoken!

Originally posted by Grimm22
How the f*ck did this turn into a wolverine thread?!?!? Jack Harkness mentioned him in a rather trollish manner.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Jack Harkness mentioned him in a rather trollish manner.

Wolverine fanboys must be magicly linked to his name or somthing.

Speak his name 3 times and you'll be bombarded with them

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine fanboys must be magicly linked to his name or somthing.

Speak his name 3 times and you'll be bombarded with them That or the Wolverine fans simply read other threads not related to Wolverine. And I'm not sure how you're "bombarded by them." Only Jinzin who is not really a fanboy responded.

Tell me, what was the point in even mentioning him in a thread with this really cool Spiderman feat in the manner that he was, if not to try and troll?

Finally got hold of comic myself. Loved the issue.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, wtf. Keep it to the vs. forum, because this is already in the respect thread so I'd have no problem closing this thread. I dropped my little spat with Alfheim (which was more about respecting KP's character than anything having to do with Cap/Logan), only to have my words brought back up again as if it was a vs. thread.

didn't mean to try and turn it into a vs. thread I just think your rationale is whacked when it comes to that first post I responded to.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, wtf. Keep it ta tha vs with the gangsta shit that keeps ya hangin. forum, coz this is already in tha respect thread so I'd hizzy no problem clos'n this thread to increase tha peace. I dropped mah shawty spizzat wit Alfheim (which was more `bout respect'n KP's hustla than gang bangin' messin' ta do wit Cap/Logan), only ta have mah words brought bizzack up again as if it was a vs yaba daba dizzle. thread so jus' chill. Originally posted by jinzin
didn't mizzle ta try n tizzay it into a vs. thread I J-to-tha-izzust T-H-to-tha-izzink yo rationale is whacked wizzle it comes ta tizzle fizzirst piznost I responded to cuz its a pimp thang.

This could be epic, guys.

Originally posted by jinzin
didn't mean to try and turn it into a vs. thread I just think your rationale is whacked when it comes to that first post I responded to.

Im glad im not the only one who noticed.......

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
This could be epic, guys.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
This could be epic, guys. Oh god...

I read your post first and understood it perfectly. then when I read jinzin's actual post I noticed that something was off and had to go back to your post to see what it was...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh god...

I read your post first and understood it perfectly. then when I read jinzin's actual post I noticed that something was off and had to go back to your post to see what it was... http://www.gizoogle.com 313

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah its cool Spiderman is getting respect instead of getting trouble with street levellers for a change, but can somebody explain to me how KP decided to shoot his aunt and challenge a pissed off Spiderman in front of all his boys?

Hey KPs all been beaten by DD before why not piss off an up-graded Spiderman and challlenge him to fight in front of your boys? "Hello my names Kingpin please f*** my s*** up. Duhhhhhhh!

Simply everytime He has fought Spider-man Spidey has been holding back so it seemed an even fight, KP probaly assumed it would be the same, have you read any of their classic fights??? Hell its possible KP even thought he was stronger than Spidey he always thought so in classic tales (has Spidey and KP gone toe to toe in like the last 30 years??) Or maybe he thought Spidey would just threaten him, or all his underlings would help if he couldnt win...

Originally posted by Sparkz
Simply everytime He has fought Spider-man Spidey has been holding back so it seemed an even fight, KP probaly assumed it would be the same, have you read any of their classic fights??? Hell its possible KP even thought he was stronger than Spidey he always thought so in classic tales (has Spidey and KP gone toe to toe in like the last 30 years??) Or maybe he thought Spidey would just threaten him, or all his underlings would help if he couldnt win...

Basically spot on with what I thought.

Originally posted by jinzin
Basically spot on with what I thought.

Wow can't believe someone agreed with me lol I was sure someone would run in and say I was being silly. lol

You? Nah, you've always been one of the more reasonable members here.

I mean it's not like Fisk is as well informed about Spiderman's abilities as half the members of this forum it's not unlikely that what you said is EXACTLY why he allowed for that confrontation to take place.

Originally posted by jinzin
You? Nah, you've always been one of the more reasonable members here.

I mean it's not like Fisk is as well informed about Spiderman's abilities as half the members of this forum it's not unlikely that what you said is EXACTLY why he allowed for that confrontation to take place.

Well I'v always tried to be reasonable...though I probaly aren't always...

Peter Parker looks so sexy beating the shit out of Kingpin droolio



Reminds me of when Spawn totally humiliated Jason Wynn....fkn Kingpin, and thugs like himself, deserve someone to put them in thier fkn place !

Originally posted by Morridini
That sounded interesting, unfortunately I can't say I have read that. When did that happen?

The Tombstone story first took place during Gerry Conway & Sal Buscema's run on SPECTACULAR SPIDER MAN, back in 1988.

Originally posted by jinzin
I mean it's not like Fisk is as well informed about Spiderman's abilities as half the members of this forum it's not unlikely that what you said is EXACTLY why he allowed for that confrontation to take place.

except for the fact that kingpin's a man of enough guile and ability to uncover loads of dirt to blackmail cops, judges and senators. why wouldn't he be able to get an accurate gauge on one of new york's most public superheroes?

:Kills Buzz:

Daredevil did better at wearing out KP (verbally and physically) without super strength/speed/durability/webbing.

and also with a car, and a brick wall through which to drive it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That or the Wolverine fans simply read other threads not related to Wolverine. And I'm not sure how you're "bombarded by them." Only Jinzin who is not really a fanboy responded.

Tell me, what was the point in even mentioning him in a thread with this really cool Spiderman feat in the manner that he was, if not to try and troll?

It was a joke

Originally posted by Disappear
and also with a car, and a brick wall through which to drive it.
That was so awesome, though. You cannot disagree. Can you? CAN YOU?!

Originally posted by Disappear
except for the fact that kingpin's a man of enough guile and ability to uncover loads of dirt to blackmail cops, judges and senators. why wouldn't he be able to get an accurate gauge on one of new york's most public superheroes? Not unable, no one said he COULDN'T do it, just that he's not interested enough, because he's too buisy with well basically doing what you said right there.

Originally posted by Grimm22
It was a joke You should do some searching around the forums. It was ruddy brilliant. Spunky posted "Wolverine" three times in the storm vs exodus thread. and I talked to him abit about it in the off topic and Storm vs Exodus threads.

Originally posted by Disappear
except for the fact that kingpin's a man of enough guile and ability to uncover loads of dirt to blackmail cops, judges and senators. why wouldn't he be able to get an accurate gauge on one of new york's most public superheroes?

eeeeexactly!

Originally posted by jinzin
Not unable, no one said he COULDN'T do it, just that he's not interested enough, because he's too buisy with well basically doing what you said right there.

Well no the reasons that Disappear gave are the exact reasons why he should know and be interested in Parker. Superheroes are his enemies it his business to know whats going on, if he doesnt take care of business hes a dead man. Its like a general not knowing about the enemy army. Illogical.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well no the reasons that Disappear gave are the exact reasons why he should know and be interested in Parker. Superheroes are his enemies it his business to know whats going on, if he doesnt take care of business hes a dead man. Its like a general not knowing about the enemy army. Illogical. Umm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.

Originally posted by jinzin
Umm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.

That and when a good chunk of them don't even bother with the Kingpin anyway.

Originally posted by jinzin
Umm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.

Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.

In all fairness its not a bad point. If KP hadnt met Spiderman before he would need to be more warey but since he is famaliar its not illogical for him to think its the same old Spiderman. I think we both have good and legitimate points.


Originally posted by Sparkz
That and when a good chunk of them don't even bother with the Kingpin anyway.

Same with Batman but he keeps tabs on other heroes just in case.

Originally posted by Sparkz
That and when a good chunk of them don't even bother with the Kingpin anyway.
exactly

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly

Not quite.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.


Same with Batman but he keeps tabs on other heroes just in case.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.

In all fairness its not a bad point. If KP hadnt met Spiderman before he would need to be more warey but since he is famaliar its not illogical for him to think its the same old Spiderman. I think we both have good and legitimate points.


Agreed, but I'd say Batmans a good deal different than Kingpin. He makes it his personal business to get involved with supers Kingpin's concerned with other affairs and personal gain.

Originally posted by jinzin
Agreed, but I'd say Batmans a good deal different than Kingpin. He makes it his personal business to get involved with supers Kingpin's concerned with other affairs and personal gain.

Ok thats true, but if I were the Kp I would keep tabs just in case because you never know. You remember acts of vengeance when a whole load of villains almost got killed by Loki, including KP (I think managed to sneak away)? If you survived something like that you would make it your business to keep tabs so you can deal with a situation like that again.

Every once in a while KP does get botherd by other superheroes and a sensible mastermind would keep tabs just in case something like that turns up.

You're not Kingpin, and a once in a while annoyance isn't enough to register textbook insight like batman...
Even the heroes that have bothered Fisk, he's been able to weasle his way to safety or go about his merry way regardless..