Devil Lance vs. Roldz

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DigiMark007
Roldz:
- Dane
- Backlash
- Warbird


DL:
- Wonder Man
- Guardian
- Invisible Woman


Judges:
- Validus
- Illadelph
- Symmetric Chaos (?)
- I'll get 1-2 more as well


Match will run through Tuesday the 31st. As soon as it's midnight EST and becomes Wednesday, the match ends.


Location:
Earth, precisely 30,000 years ago. Basically, Earth as we know it today minus civilization. You will begin the battle where present-day London is, approximately 10 kilometers apart.


Have fun. Good luck.

smile

DigiMark007

DigiMark007

illadelph12
http://www.inthesetimes.com/images/28/15/cheney.jpg

Reh, reh...

Devil Lance
Originally posted by DigiMark007


Warbird:
Geneticly given half-kree genetic code mesh w/ human genes gave her Super human powers.. She was farther enhance by the Brood alien race enabling her to tap primal energies source from a whitehole however that was only for a short while, as her mental link to the white hole was severed..


Key word their roldz = severed

meaning theirs no latent abilities for Dane to unlock since the mental link is gone.

secondly Energy Absorbtion falls under the power catergorey not the body catergorey

your drafted Warbird as your body charcter you only get her strength and durability.

Now thatleadsme to my next point warbird's seventh sense yeahyour not going to be able to use that either
The seventh sense is a mind ability however you drafted Warbird as your body charcater so you don't get to use this abilityeither

lastly on the warbird front 70-80 tons base level BS Roldz Warbird is class fifty Max roll eyes (sarcastic)

So you won't be able to become Binary, you won't be able to absorb enrgy so you can't amp yourself so you'll much less stroneger than my character, and you won't have your seventh sense either.

now onto Dane
you say he will be bale to use tp illusion sand attacks on me I showed in my write up that even in a suit that had no tp protections Guardian was able to break free from Mr. I mind controled the freaking Phoenix Mesmero on just willpower alone.

In this match she has he rguardian suit on which control of the em spectrem protects it and its users fromtp. So no illusions or tp attacks for you.
even if I didn't have any protections against tp attacks my scanners would be able to see right through your illusions.


Your psi/ tk blast will either be blocked by my force fields or miss me entirely since you won't know where the heck I am.

Now on to you Mistifying my armornot going to happen

that tactic is breaking so many tourney rules its not even funny
I don't know what the heck DG was smoking when he said you could do this.

First off you can't use matter manipulation against your opponents.

and secondley you can't use mind control against your oponent

so this tactic= banned

so basically this is going to come down to a physical battle


Both of my characters have been able to trade punches with class 100's

Wonderman has been able to hold an item weighing 50,000 tons as I posted earlier

the Guardian suiot was able to stop a plane from crashing using onlyy one hand again as seen in my writeu p

Guardian + Wonder Man's strength >>>>>>> Warbird symbiote

To sum things up
your tp attacks won't work
you won't be able to use your seventh sense, or energy absorbtion abilities.
Your mist attack should be banned
the rest of your enrgy attacks will either miss me since you won't have your seventh snese to sense me while i am invisble so Ill find you firts, and even if an attack or two happens to come near me my focefield will block them.
My character is much stronger than yours and my attacks iwll do much more damge seeing as how they'll be invisble and all.

finally to put it bluntly
I win you lose smile

Devil Lance
DL Post 2

I'd like to give th context of this scan of roldz before I move on to his other points again
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Ms._Marvel_Repowered.jpg

this scan takes place after Warbird had just gone one on one with the collective aka the guy who got all of th epowes of the mutants that lost their powers after House Of M.
heres how that battle went
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/avengers.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13456
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/avengers.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13457
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/avengers.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13458
now it took all of that enrgy just to get her to that point

obviously the enrgy Collective is much >>>>> than Dane

this doesn't matter anways since this issue was an error on Bendis' part seeing as how Warbird's tranformation to binary had nothing to do with enrgy she absored theonly reason she could turn into binary was because of her conncetion t the white hole wwhich has since been sevred.

so this along with the fact his enrgy absorbtiongoe sin the power section means you won't be able to turn into Binary.

sorry

Now on tour mist tactic again even if it was a legal tactic which it most certinally isn't it wouldn't work for many reasons.

1. The guardian suit can not be displaced from tis user as seen here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/A-F33-09.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/A-F33-10.jpg

2. your mind control sham won't work either even if it wasn't banned seeing as how theres nothing to control the suit is almost entirely manually controlled as shown in these scans which shows that their no AI for dane to control.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight128-09.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight128-10.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight128-11.jpg

but once again that tactic is banned so all of this is pointless


Now on to my defenses he says that i will fall to his barrage of tk/psi/energy blasts

Guardian's personal forcefields alone have protected heather from punches from Wonder Man
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-07.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-08.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-13.jpg

blasts from Ironman
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight75-04.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight75-05.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/A_Flight7/AlphaFlight75-07.jpg

and even heat seeker missiles
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight65-19.jpg

now addto that forcefield IGW's froc fields from the powers he gets from invisble woman


IW's sheilds were able to contain a gamma bomb which alone is much, much,much more powerful tan your attaxcks could ever hope of being
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020001nx5.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020002ce4.jpg

IW's shields have easilly deflected a lightining blast from Clor
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0012sy9.jpg

and shielded Thor, and Gilgamesh from a huge blast which is again much more powerful than all of your attacks
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020008vm3.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020009rl0.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020010sa4.jpg

thers no way your attacks are getting past my double layers of shields.

not to mention the fact that the chances of you actually hitting me are slim to none since I'll be invisble.

so to sum things up
you won't be able to become Binary
you won't be able to mist me
and your attacks won't hurt me at all

while my attacks will damage you greatly
The End

Roldz
Take a look at this scan.

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020015gs6.jpg

"IW batters her comrade again and again with ever increasing force.
Force which is immediately converted into high intensity plasma blast."

Now unless the suit absorbs kinetic force, that part of the prep is not going to work.

IW force field is a solidified form, The suit do not posses the ability to convert it to pure energy form for it to absorb..

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbioteshealing22jk8.jpg

Your way of tracking wouldnt work, as u see in above scan symbiote runs interference against sensors and since it completly covered Warbirds body + u dont have any info w/ the symbiote. U would be unable to find me..

1. I dont understand whats happening in that scan? It really doesnt matter my char. is not doing any mind control..

2. Id like to see to what extent the EM suit protects him from TP assault?
Just because it controls EM spectrum does not mean it automaticly protects from any psionic manipulation attacks.. Ie. tp and tk assault

TP locate is the ability to sense stray thoughts and since there's just the 2 of us it shouldnt be a problem to sense ur thoughts then find U. + theres that seventh sense that borders precog, i can find u that way as well.

U know the saying; "Cant sneak up against a telepath"

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblastbehind37tq7.jpg

Sneaking up on my char. like that a good way to received a full force TP/TK blast then from there on proceed to same plan, this attack was also forseen through seventh sense during prep time..

Here's Warbird going up against a fully bloodlusted and enraged Wonderman (stronger when enraged like u said)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0005.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0006.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0007.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0008.jpg

Being able to take a beating from him w/ out a scratch is a very impressive durability feat. I also think that she was holding back as to not hurt a friend could'nt say desame to Simon (mind control and fully enraged)..

This is not normal Warbird used in this tourny its Binary level inhanced w/ symbiote then up even more via energy.

Either way going up H2H against me would be futile as my char. would be near impossible to hit (Mist form).. A better fighter.. A good way to lost Ur char's. armor and gain a new weapon for my char.

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=halfmist1.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mist210cf5.jpg
Mist ur chars armor out of him and into my chars then..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=symbioteweaponlink.jpg
link up its weapon system through my symbiotes (extra arsenal)..

Naked and runnning for his life.. lol JK.

Ohh i think there pretty close, check above scan WB vs WM..
As for the symbiote; it enhances the wearers strength according to there physical attribute..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent.jpg


Take Dozer (above scan) for ex. his the strongest of Wetworks team due to his body physique (body builder) @ peak human then enhanced w/ symbiote @ 100 ton range.

Now lets take Warbird's body attribute @ say 50 ton ranged then enhanced that w/ symbiote, you do the math..

Thing is im not using her normal strength level but Binary's level then enhanced via symbiote.. Well ill be assuming its way above's DL char's strength level..

Invisibility can be countered via telepathic scan, or 7th sense (scans below).

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel01-03.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel03-13.jpg

Ur blitz also is countered via my mist form, you cant blitz somethin u cant touch.

Warbird great agility and reflexes which is farther inhanced by the symbiote.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/Avengers_v3_47_015.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/Avengers_v3_47_016.jpg

Mist form, agility, reflexes w/ symbiote counters your DL's speed.

Heck Warbird speed alone >>>>> exceeds speed of sound..

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/img022.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/img023.jpg

MY CHARS OVERALL POWERS/VERSATILITY IS BY FAR HIGHER THAN DL'S, EVERYTHING HIS THROWN MY CHAR. CAN COUNTER AND THEN SOME..

Danvers was subjected to a evolutionary ray, which triggered the latent potential of her augmented gens. (See scan below)

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=carol26.jpg

The whitehole is just the power source.

The body (Warbird) contains dna/gens the source of Warbird's power.

The symbiotes like the evolutionary ray triggers and unleashes ones latent potential..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent3.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Wetworks_14_13_g-seti.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent2.jpg


Ive talk to Darth a while ago about this as long as theres a way u can activate this shunt off powers its perfectly legal.

As long as there's potential in Bodys Dna (Warbird) the symbiote can unleashed/triggers this..

Yeah i know its 40 - 50 but im actually referring to Binary's strength level, which could potentially @ class 80 - 100.

As explained in above post the Symbiote triggers/accessed Warbirds latent potential..

The psi-plane would be the power source, near unlimited/unlimited supply of psionic energy this is access by Dane's (TP/TK talent)..

Warbirds latent potential gens + Psi-plane = Binary

Ill cover the rest later big grin , Damn Work in the way..lol

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Roldz
Take a look at this scan.

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sue2020015gs6.jpg

"IW batters her comrade again and again with ever increasing force.
Force which is immediately converted into high intensity plasma blast."

Now unless the suit absorbs kinetic force, that part of the prep is not going to work.

IW force field is a solidified form, The suit do not posses the ability to convert it to pure energy form for it to absorb..

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbioteshealing22jk8.jpg

Your way of tracking wouldnt work, as u see in above scan symbiote runs interference against sensors and since it completly covered Warbirds body + u dont have any info w/ the symbiote. U would be unable to find me..

1. I dont understand whats happening in that scan? It really doesnt matter my char. is not doing any mind control..

2. Id like to see to what extent the EM suit protects him from TP assault?
Just because it controls EM spectrum does not mean it automaticly protects from any psionic manipulation attacks.. Ie. tp and tk assault

TP locate is the ability to sense stray thoughts and since there's just the 2 of us it shouldnt be a problem to sense ur thoughts then find U. + theres that seventh sense that borders precog, i can find u that way as well.

U know the saying; "Cant sneak up against a telepath"

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblastbehind37tq7.jpg

Sneaking up on my char. like that a good way to received a full force TP/TK blast then from there on proceed to same plan, this attack was also forseen through seventh sense during prep time..

Here's Warbird going up against a fully bloodlusted and enraged Wonderman (stronger when enraged like u said)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0005.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0006.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0007.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/scan0008.jpg

Being able to take a beating from him w/ out a scratch is a very impressive durability feat. I also think that she was holding back as to not hurt a friend could'nt say desame to Simon (mind control and fully enraged)..

This is not normal Warbird used in this tourny its Binary level inhanced w/ symbiote then up even more via energy.

Either way going up H2H against me would be futile as my char. would be near impossible to hit (Mist form).. A better fighter.. A good way to lost Ur char's. armor and gain a new weapon for my char.

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=halfmist1.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mist210cf5.jpg
Mist ur chars armor out of him and into my chars then..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=symbioteweaponlink.jpg
link up its weapon system through my symbiotes (extra arsenal)..

Naked and runnning for his life.. lol JK.

Ohh i think there pretty close, check above scan WB vs WM..
As for the symbiote; it enhances the wearers strength according to there physical attribute..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent.jpg


Take Dozer (above scan) for ex. his the strongest of Wetworks team due to his body physique (body builder) @ peak human then enhanced w/ symbiote @ 100 ton range.

Now lets take Warbird's body attribute @ say 50 ton ranged then enhanced that w/ symbiote, you do the math..

Thing is im not using her normal strength level but Binary's level then enhanced via symbiote.. Well ill be assuming its way above's DL char's strength level..

Invisibility can be countered via telepathic scan, or 7th sense (scans below).

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel01-03.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel03-13.jpg

Ur blitz also is countered via my mist form, you cant blitz somethin u cant touch.

Warbird great agility and reflexes which is farther inhanced by the symbiote.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/Avengers_v3_47_015.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/Avengers_v3_47_016.jpg

Mist form, agility, reflexes w/ symbiote counters your DL's speed.

Heck Warbird speed alone >>>>> exceeds speed of sound..

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/img022.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/img023.jpg

MY CHARS OVERALL POWERS/VERSATILITY IS BY FAR HIGHER THAN DL'S, EVERYTHING HIS THROWN MY CHAR. CAN COUNTER AND THEN SOME..

Danvers was subjected to a evolutionary ray, which triggered the latent potential of her augmented gens. (See scan below)

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=carol26.jpg

The whitehole is just the power source.

The body (Warbird) contains dna/gens the source of Warbird's power.

The symbiotes like the evolutionary ray triggers and unleashes ones latent potential..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent3.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Wetworks_14_13_g-seti.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent2.jpg


Ive talk to Darth a while ago about this as long as theres a way u can activate this shunt off powers its perfectly legal.

As long as there's potential in Bodys Dna (Warbird) the symbiote can unleashed/triggers this..

Yeah i know its 40 - 50 but im actually referring to Binary's strength level, which could potentially @ class 80 - 100.

As explained in above post the Symbiote triggers/accessed Warbirds latent potential..

The psi-plane would be the power source, near unlimited/unlimited supply of psionic energy this is access by Dane's (TP/TK talent)..

Warbirds latent potential gens + Psi-plane = Binary

Ill cover the rest later big grin , Damn Work in the way..lol

Meh I don't need that extra power from my prep anyways

however I can't beleive I missed this





"Lets start w/ Dane (Mind) and Backlash (Powers):
Both served in the government military special ops; team 7.. They where exposed to a chemical known as "Gen-Factor" that gave them vast storage of raw psionic energy..

What this means is that it is legal for me to use Dane's TP/TK feat.
This includes Danes w/ symbiotes access to the psi-plane (near unlimeted supply of psionic energy)..."


Unless you have the Gen-factor with you tehn you can't use your tk or tp abilities since Dane is your mind character all you get is his leadership abilities, willpower, knowledge, and nay weapons they may have.

You do not get the power sof that person unless you have the thing that gives them those powers

so no tp/tk for you this also means not psi link to the psi realm so you can't get Warbird to turn into Binary even if this tactic was allowed.


so your'e not going to have Dane's tp or tk abilities

there sno way your going to be able to turn into binary

now on to my attack

you say that youwill turn into mist after my first sonic attack thats not going to happen you'll be stunned at the very least and won't be able to react to my blitz giving me the win

Roldz
"Able to break free", so for a time she was under Mesmeros controll.
She had to fight to break free.. She is not immune to tp attacks..

Now can she multi-task? Fight off tp attacks while at desame time control her physical form; armor tech and the skill to fully utilized the amalgamated chars. powers..

If not then ur in the mercy of my chars, attacking mentally as well as physically (H2H, energy attacks)..

Controls of Em spectrum does not negate TP/illusion attacks unless ofcourse u got scans proving this claim..

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...light113-09.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...light113-12.jpg

Kinda hard to use ur scanners (above scan) when ur TP attack like the scanned below..

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblockhold22qx7.jpg


Not directly on the body but it is legal to do it towards battle field and weapons (armor and the likes).

That scan of WM 50, 000 tons feat does not work (shouldnt that be above legal limit). Still Warbird withstood WM best blows w/ out a scratch, her durability/mist form overide ur strength feats..

Guardians plane feat was more like a tractor beam, she wasnt really lifting it but rather directed the nose of the plane to glide to the opposing direction as to stop the dive, its engine was still running..

have no proof that your chars. is immune to tp..

Even w/ out 7st sense (doubtfull) Arcknight can still sense ur char. via tp scan/locate..

Ur force field will break/over powered by an onslaught of 100 class strength let alone 8 to 10 thousand tons of strength. Admit it my chars is a lot stronger..lol

do agree w/ u on that but
Collective energy<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Psi-plane's energy which Dane being a telepath has access to..

As for the Binary thing and Warbirds powers ive coverred it in above post..

Displacing and matter manipulation is completely diff.

As we know Nightcrawlers port works by way of dimentional portal; actually taking/forcing the suit out of this universe and into another dimension, displacing it out of Earths EM spectrum but the suit i quess has some sort of fail safe device..

Matter Manipulation is changing matter to diff form in this case gazeous form. We are not taking the suit out of the spectrum but rather change its very structure.. I dont think this suits technology above matter manipulating abilities.. specially when it can be damaged by a normal energy bolt.. scan below

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight113-09.jpg

Symbiotes technology is way above this suits; its self-evolving.
linking to guardians armor shouldnt be a problem.

Got to continue this later. Gotta go to sleep..lol

Roldz
Once ive acquire ur suit im not controling it via mind control, im using the symbiote to link to its weaponry/defensive system..

The symbiotes was created by an advanced raced, its technology and knowledge assimilated is by far higher than the Guardians suit systems.

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbioteshistory30bk1.jpg

The nanodroid/nanotech merged w/ it allows this symbiote to interfaced to weaponry system..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=wetworkssourcebookOCD-22.jpg
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=wetworkssourcebookOCD-23.jpg

Linking to it and decyphering/hacking its system code shoulnt be a problem..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=symbioteweaponlink.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight113-09.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight113-12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/A-F33-09.jpg

The above scan should disprove that, most suits have onboard AI syste heck commercial planes have em..

All this defensive shields wouldnt be at full capacity, First TP attacks affects u mentally..

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblockhold22qx7.jpg

your worst nighmares/fears/Failures. Heather is strong willed but still need to master all her will to find off against telepathic intrutions, that leaves IW focefield and control over suits/armor not at full capacity..

The suits misted out, leaving u w/ just Wondermans durability..
Durability not withstanding a backhand from a weaken Surfer @ 100 class strength..

Well thats all for now.. Work big grin ..

DigiMark007
Reh, good stuff so far.

thumb up

This ends Tuesday, and after that we'll need to move things along as quickly as possible. That means judges voting, so that I know who advances and can plan matchups for next round. Then there'll be 2-3 days to make writeups and we'll likely start both semi-final matches on probably Fri-Sat. At some point in there I'll be handing the reigns back to goober, but in the meantime I'd like to get as much done as possible.

Roldz
Originally posted by Devil Lance
"Lets start w/ Dane (Mind) and Backlash (Powers):
Both served in the government military special ops; team 7.. They where exposed to a chemical known as "Gen-Factor" that gave them vast storage of raw psionic energy..

What this means is that it is legal for me to use Dane's TP/TK feat.
This includes Danes w/ symbiotes access to the psi-plane (near unlimeted supply of psionic energy)..."


Unless you have the Gen-factor with you tehn you can't use your tk or tp abilities since Dane is your mind character all you get is his leadership abilities, willpower, knowledge, and nay weapons they may have.

so no tp/tk for you this also means not psi link to the psi realm so you can't get Warbird to turn into Binary even if this tactic was allowed.


so your'e not going to have Dane's tp or tk abilities

there sno way your going to be able to turn into binary


"They where exposed to a chemical known as "Gen-Factor" that gave them vast storage of raw psionic energy.."

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t7arcklightgent71le9.jpg

Since im using pre-kherubim Backlash, The mojo (Gen-factor) is still within him..

So yay to Binary..

I doubt u could even find my char. (as ive explained) let alone pull out a surprise attack, and even if by chance u've somehow located him, his
psi-scan ability or 7th sense would alert him of ur presence right away, less of course u can hide ur thoughts..

U also forgut my char. absorbs energy, sonic attacks of that magnitude is easily absorb..

So the first action of ur plan failed and that little failure is all the opportunity my char. need to take urs..

A little UV grenade to soften u up and blind yeah..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=uvgrenade.jpg

Fallowed by a full force TP/TK attack.. Hit u w/ ur worst nightmare/Failures/fears, affecting ur concentration; loosen your ability to control IW powers and operate ur suit systems..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Danes1.jpg
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Danes.jpg

Now it should be an easy task to overpower ur defensive shields w/ brute force and energy attacks.. Energy whips can attack u from deff. direction and it can also discharge energy..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=whips.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiwhips20yg4.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiwhipt7deadreckoning3oi1.jpg

A little retaliation from ur side nothing that my mist form/TK cant handle.

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=halfmist1.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omniemvsenergy339bt6.jpg

Should be a matter of time before i rid u of ur suit.
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=mistothers.jpg

And w/ just Wonderman's durability to deal w/ an energy blast fallowed by a 100 class punch should take him down.. My char. (Arknight) should be able to replicate this feat..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5205266

My char. puts on the Guardians suit and uses the symbiote to link w/ it.. His found a new toy to play w/.. lol

- DL's plan relies to much on his surprise/ambush attack which my char. has the ability to counter.
- Just the opportunity for my plan of attack to set in motion..
- Therefore giving me the win.. stick out tongue

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Roldz
"They where exposed to a chemical known as "Gen-Factor" that gave them vast storage of raw psionic energy.."

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t7arcklightgent71le9.jpg

Since im using pre-kherubim Backlash, The mojo (Gen-factor) is still within him..

So yay to Binary..

I doubt u could even find my char. (as ive explained) let alone pull out a surprise attack, and even if by chance u've somehow located him, his
psi-scan ability or 7th sense would alert him of ur presence right away, less of course u can hide ur thoughts..

U also forgut my char. absorbs energy, sonic attacks of that magnitude is easily absorb..

So the first action of ur plan failed and that little failure is all the opportunity my char. need to take urs..

A little UV grenade to soften u up and blind yeah..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=uvgrenade.jpg

Fallowed by a full force TP/TK attack.. Hit u w/ ur worst nightmare/Failures/fears, affecting ur concentration; loosen your ability to control IW powers and operate ur suit systems..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Danes1.jpg
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Danes.jpg

Now it should be an easy task to overpower ur defensive shields w/ brute force and energy attacks.. Energy whips can attack u from deff. direction and it can also discharge energy..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=whips.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiwhips20yg4.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiwhipt7deadreckoning3oi1.jpg

A little retaliation from ur side nothing that my mist form/TK cant handle.

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=halfmist1.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omniemvsenergy339bt6.jpg

Should be a matter of time before i rid u of ur suit.
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=mistothers.jpg

And w/ just Wonderman's durability to deal w/ an energy blast fallowed by a 100 class punch should take him down.. My char. (Arknight) should be able to replicate this feat..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5205266

My char. puts on the Guardians suit and uses the symbiote to link w/ it.. His found a new toy to play w/.. lol

- DL's plan relies to much on his surprise/ambush attack which my char. has the ability to counter.
- Just the opportunity for my plan of attack to set in motion..
- Therefore giving me the win.. stick out tongue





Unforunately for you Roldz there are severeal flaws in your plan

A. you do not get to unlock Warbirds powers the powers are gone you only get her strength and durability. And thers a difference between being latent and turned off.
Latent abilities are turne dthey just haven't been triggered yet. If an ability is turned off they are gone they are no more I doubt the symbiote can give someone a pwower that has been removed from them like Warbird's other powers were.
2. My character has defenses against tp and tk. IGW cna just use the guardian's suit control over electromagnetic waves to block your neural frequencies from my head. And your TK is nullified by IW's shields which have been shown to completely nullify tk blast like she did against jean grey in Fantastic Four #286 when Jean Grey found out that her tk blast were not harming sues shields at all they wern't even working gainstthem. So no TK and TP

3. You say I can't find but as my write shows I can track enrgy signatures so I can track the psi energie sthat you are putting out while blocking your telepathic asussualt by blockinh your neural frequencies from my head.

4. You won't be able to absorb my sonic attack because you won't have awrbirs energy control powers so you'll be stunned an dmy first plan will work as I said it would.

Lastly offensive matter manipulation and mind control against your opponent are baaned so you can't turn my suit into mist or takr control of it either sorry

Roldz
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Unforunately for you Roldz there are severeal flaws in your plan

A. you do not get to unlock Warbirds powers the powers are gone you only get her strength and durability. And thers a difference between being latent and turned off.
Latent abilities are turne dthey just haven't been triggered yet. If an ability is turned off they are gone they are no more I doubt the symbiote can give someone a pwower that has been removed from them like Warbird's other powers were.


Turned off (Block/unable to access specified abilities/Powers)
Gone (remove specified abilities/powers)
Completely diff. meaning..

It is perfectly legal to utilized the body pick for additional powers w/ proper meshing..

I dont mean to keep repeating myself but for the purpose of properly understanding the Binary situation, here it is again.. lol

Carol Danvers was subjected to an evolutionary ray which triggered her
latent potential..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=carol26.jpg

She has a mental link to the Whitehole, its energy is her power source.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Bimental.jpg

Here's symbiote unleashing Grails latent abilities..

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/latent2.jpg

Symbiotes accessed/turned on Dane's Psi-powers after International Operation blocked its used..

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Wetworks3pg23.jpg
http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/?action=view&current=Wetworks3pg24.jpg



- The Psychotron/Evolutionary ray triggers ones latent potential..

- The symbiote also triggers one's potential + it can access blocked/turned off abilities..

- Warbird on Binarys power level should be quite possible by meshing the symbiotes and her body..


Doubt she possess that kinda control, youd have to be someone like say Vulcan w/ Petra/Darwin/Sways powers or Magneto himself.. I really doubt she know the diff. frequencies the neural pathway emits..

As for IW forcefield, w/ out protection over tp it just a matter of time before that forcefield backles..

That requires extreme multi-tasking, unfortunately its something ur Char's lacking..

Offensive matter manipulation on the actual char. is not allowed however it didnt say anything about weapons.. Infact i spoke to Darth about this and it was perfectly fine for him..

DigiMark007
I would encourage the judges to beging reading/voting, since most of the participants' posts are in. Gents, get your final arguments in before the end of tonight. I'll be back on to announce the ending of the match.

Roldz
Arknights counter points against DL's char..

- Symbiotes blocks scanning capabilities therefore locating my char. is near impossible..
* Tracking psi - energies; the Vindicator suits can track radiation within the E.M spectrum (the limit to ur suits). Psi-energies belongs not to the spectrum, Its intirely goverened by diff. laws..

You hava no way of finding/locating me let alone mount a surprise/ambush attack

- Seventh sense/TP locate/scan; ways my char. can find u.
*Seventh sense reads your movement, + during prep it allowed me a glimpse of your actions which gave my char. time to think of a proper defense and counter.
*Tp locate/scan allows me first strike, big unrelenting surprise attack
usually go along way to win a match.

- Warbirds physical attribute w/ symbiotes inhancement and Binary's versatility greatly enhances, Arcknights strength/durability/agility way above DL's char..
*Warbird at Binary's power level (90 to 100 tonner class)
*Symbiotes enhancement depends on ones physical attribute ( peak human @ 100 tonner class)
*Take Binarys physical attribute then enhanced by symbiotes ( roughly 20 000 tons if we go by the stat above)
*One good hit is all it takes..

-DL's char. have now way of countering mist form..
*This w/ Arcknights strengths/agility/speed take DL's character hands down if he goes H2H.
*The opponents do not possess the ability to counter such defense..
*Any weapon in his position is held useless, Suits gets misted out..a good way to gain additional advantage (the vindicator suit.)

-Symbiotes ability to link w/ weapon system allows me access to Vindicators full arsenal..

-Energy absorbsion a way to counter any energy attack coming from DL's char.

-Speed
*Orbital velocity>>>>>Mach 1, let alone Warp speed..

-TP/TK attacks
*Heather is nether immune or high defenses against this kind attack, she need great concentration/will power to mount a defense agaist it. Unfortunately her multi-tasking non-existent.. She either blocks my physical attack and leave herself open for tp or vice versa..
*Dane can both attack tp/tk and act physically; fire a gun/energy blast/flip at desame time..

http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psylockestyle8aw6.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daneagilitypsiblast38wp6.jpg

Thats it for now.. Gotta work, good luck DL, i had fun.. big grin

DigiMark007
My KMC clock is telling me it's midnight. So as of this post, the match is closed for debating.

The judges for the match are Val, ill, and Smurph. They can put in their votes as soon as they are able to. Sym has had some stuff going on, so he was originally a judge but won't be anymore. The plan is to have a best of 5 for most matches, but we're going with 3 right now because I've been behind on obtaining judges since I just took over, and a few people that I asked turned me down (I was originally going for 5). My apologies for this, but I know we can trust these 3 to do a competent job of judging.

...

Anyway, well fought to both, and good luck.

smile

SpunkySmurph
A'ight.

Ouch... this is why I prefer Scoob's character. Less of a headache to nitpick with, in terms of powers and strategy.

Next tourney should be Bricks only.

Anyways...

Good match guys. Interesting strategy on each side, yada yada.

I found Roldz had some offensive strategies that had questionable elements to them, but, he had strategies. DL, I know you originally laid out your offensive plans, but I found that after that, you spent nearly all the time talking about how Roldz's attacks wouldn't work, and generally remained on the defensive.

In the end, I was convinced, not only that Roldz' attacks were probably ok, and would work, but that, in the event that one of them didn't, that Roldz could remain unharmed (somewhat), until one DID. Or, that is to say, until he compensated for any holes.

IMO.

VOTE= ROLDZ

the-mr-killer
this is geeky. but good read

Jack Harkness
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illadelph12
Judge's Vote

Great match. Both competitors presented some very solid arguments. I'll just get straight to my decision for a change. I usually have a long drawn out explanation but I've been pressed for time lately and I want to have a drink and relax.

The main problem I have with Roldz method of attack is the fact that Carol Danvers' mind, which is not present, has the mental link to the white hole. It's not a "physical" link. I don't see how you can re-establish Carol's mental link without Carol's mind. Dane's mind doesn't have the link, and increasing Dane's mental powers in Carol's body, sans powers, in my mind isn't going to give you the abilities you're saying you'll get. As Devil Lance stated many times in his posts, Warbird is you body character and Dane is your mind. Binary's manipulation and connection to the white hole are psionic, it's true, but it's a link with Carol's mind. Unlike with a cybernetic body which would essentially be turned off as stipulated by Goob in the rules, having an organic body is a lot different as was spelled out. The symbiote doesn't have Carol's link to enhance. I'm just not convinced.

With that said, Devil Lance didn't really provide a manner in which he would put Roldz down after the initial post and spent too much of his time attempting to disprove Roldz attack rather than presenting his own. From what I see he also didn't provide any proof of his mental defenses with scans. This is what tipped the scales in Roldz favor to me.

So where as I don't think Roldz could unlock Carol's mental link without Carol's mind, Devil Lance didn't provide any proof of the defenses he possesses against TP, and unfortunately, if you don't present it I can't consider it.

Good fight DL, but my vote goes to Roldz. If you'd shown proof of Guardian's telepathic defenses it would have changed a lot, but as it stands with the argument and evidence you provided, you'd be vulnerable.

My Vote: Roldz thumb up

On a side note, the misting away DL's armor is banned under the offensive matter manipulation rule.

DigiMark007
Ok then. Congrats to both participants! And thanks to our judges! DL, well fought. Roldz, congrats and welcome to the semis!

You'll fight Scoobless next. More info in the discussion thread....

Roldz
Originally posted by illadelph12
Judge's Vote
The main problem I have with Roldz method of attack is the fact that Carol Danvers' mind, which is not present, has the mental link to the white hole. It's not a "physical" link. I don't see how you can re-establish Carol's mental link without Carol's mind. Dane's mind doesn't have the link, and increasing Dane's mental powers in Carol's body, sans powers, in my mind isn't going to give you the abilities you're saying you'll get. As Devil Lance stated many times in his posts, Warbird is you body character and Dane is your mind. Binary's manipulation and connection to the white hole are psionic, it's true, but it's a link with Carol's mind. Unlike with a cybernetic body which would essentially be turned off as stipulated by Goob in the rules, having an organic body is a lot different as was spelled out. The symbiote doesn't have Carol's link to enhance. I'm just not convinced.

My Vote: Roldz thumb up

On a side note, the misting away DL's armor is banned under the offensive matter manipulation rule.

Thanks for the vote judges..

I guess i didnt present a solid argument for Carols Binary's transformation, it was not clear..

What im trying to point out in this debate is that i do not require the mental link to the whitehole, it wouldnt work anyway sans u mentioned it requires Carols mind.. Dane however does have a link to unlimited supply of psionic energy " the Psi-Plane" which would become the powersource for the Binary situation not the Whitehole. As its stated in Newavengers 17-18 Carols Binary powers are still present, it just needs an ample supply of energy to maintain them at that level, Dane's link to the Psi-Plane should be a suitable supply of energy for Binary..

As for the body ive already discuss this w/ Darth prior to the final confirmation thread and he specifically say that the remaining powers within a body that does not belong to physical attribute would be shunt/turned off. Then i mentioned Synergy; she has the ability to activate latent abilities/powers (You get the picture) he says this is okay as long as i can provide proof and would be up to the judges to present my case..

Same w/ Misting armors and weapons, so long as its not towards the body itself..

This is basicly why i changed my privious picks to present..

Anyhow id like to hear from the judges and DG rule on this as Darth is preoccupied right now w/ more personal matters..

Thanks.. And good match DL..

Scoobless
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
A'ight.

Ouch... this is why I prefer Scoob's character. Less of a headache to nitpick with, in terms of powers and strategy.

big grin

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