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You are what you eat

Vegansexual's bodies are made up of dead plants. Monsters. Cruel inhuman monsters. Hope they all enjoy hell, murderers.

Besides, no one wants to have sex with some boney scrawny vegan with no boobs or ass. Psh, they're doing us a favor.

makes me want to rape vegans and pump them full of my dead animals

Originally posted by Schecter
makes me want to rape vegans and pump them full of my dead animals


AH HAHAHAHAHAHA


You're shootin' blanks

This is the first I've ever heard anything like that...

Good thing I'm 80% vegetarian.

Originally posted by Schecter
makes me want to rape vegans and pump them full of my dead animals

I love you.

We should raid their town...capture their women...then take them out for a nice dinner at a Steak House. That should convert them.

(avoids hot sausage link jokes)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We should raid their town...capture their women...then take them out for a nice dinner at a Steak House. That should convert them.

(avoids hot sausage link jokes)




Why do I find this funny?

(Note to self...scratch "sausage jokes" off the list at the next party with the inlaws.)

I'm vegan and I don't have a problem with anyone who eats meat.

Im vegatarian almost vegan (still working on it), and im a nice size. You wouldnt even be able to tell.

My advice to the vegansexuals, as long as they dont drink the milk they shouldnt be able to taste the meat.

if someone is vegan does that mean they dont swallow?

Originally posted by Kenshinswife
Im vegatarian almost vegan (still working on it), and im a nice size. You wouldnt even be able to tell.

My advice to the vegansexuals, as long as they dont drink the milk they shouldnt be able to taste the meat.

I was wondering if these people even donate blood. They sound a bit uptight.

I wonder if this creature can also be considered a vegan

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/Bia666/av/cstbia.gif

Well... considering that in ten minutes he'll be eating the janitor alive I'd say no.

Originally posted by Schecter
if someone is vegan does that mean they dont swallow? Yep.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I wonder if this creature can also be considered a vegan

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/Bia666/av/cstbia.gif Nope

Fair enough, their decision and all that. Though, if I met a hot vegansexual in a bar (unlikely), I'd probably lie and say I was a vegan.

Most do....lol

Considering what most vegans look and dress like, I don't think that it's all that much of a loss really.

personally i got nothing against meat eater, im one of them. its just, i dont think its right to KILL other organisms with active brains/concoiusness to get your food. im 100% fine with eggd/milk/dairy. but im hoping soon, ill be able to get away from pure meat{unless they start synthesising it one day}.

i LOVE the taste when cooked right. but id rather no animals die cause of me.

http://www.allthetests.com/quiz16/quizpu.php?testid=1131228488&katname=

Originally posted by leonheartmm
personally i got nothing against meat eater, im one of them. its just, i dont think its right to KILL other organisms with active brains/concoiusness to get your food. im 100% fine with eggd/milk/dairy.

You're fine with dairy and not meat? So you have a problem with killing animals for food, but not with keeping them in a constant state of lactation purely for your own satisfaction?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a vegan or a vegatarian, I just see your reasoning as flawed.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
http://www.allthetests.com/quiz16/quizpu.php?testid=1131228488&katname=

For 33 % you are: Mostly A's
You are a vegetarian
You love your fruit and vegetarian! You hate animals Being butchered to death and have a healthy diet and live on corn for meat.
32.18 % of 1871 Quiz participants had this profile!

You could also get this result:
For 33 % you are: Mostly C's

You are a meat lover

You love your meat! You don't care what people think about animals and love to eat your meat in your sandwiches, crisps and eat it every Sunday.

You live off the stuff.

Or even this one:
For 20 % you are: Mostly D's

You are a junk food addict

You consume amazing amounts of junk food and sweets and chocolate for snacks. You are addicted to fizzy drinks and hate healthy stuff.

Or even this one:
For 13 % you are: Mostly B's

You are a vegan/strict vegetarian

You don't eat anything to do with animals. You don't eat eggs, milk, cheese, yoghurt or anything else that comes from an animal.

what a daft test, no valid options for me.

I've never met any vegans that believe this kind of thing, not one.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I've never met any vegans that believe this kind of thing, not one.

Same. I see them, the ones who spawned this idea, being a very lonely little group. Vegansexual. What will they think of next?

Maybe they will stop talking with carnivores... or shopping from them... maybe if their houses, that are probably made out of bales of hemp tied together with vines, caught on fire they wouldn't let firemen who eat meat put the fire out.

Oooooh! What if they had an accident and needed a blood transfusion! Do they wear bracelets that say the blood can't have come from someone who eats meat?

Actually I see this as being started by regular guys...

Most Vegans are female. So if there's vegansexual then chances would be high that they, being mostly women, would be lesbians. And we all know how much regular guys like lesbians.

even if my reasoning is flawed at the premise of it being mostly females... think about it. That's probably the ones who started this things reasoning as well. It's all about the lesbians.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I see this as being started by regular guys...

Most Vegans are female. So if there's vegansexual then chances would be high that they, being mostly women, would be lesbians. And we all know how much regular guys like lesbians.

even if my reasoning is flawed at the premise of it being mostly females... think about it. That's probably the ones who started this things reasoning as well. It's all about the lesbians.

well..i can say i have known..personally, three female vegans and known no male vegans...i have known many vegitarians of both sexes though.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I see this as being started by regular guys...

Most Vegans are female. So if there's vegansexual then chances would be high that they, being mostly women, would be lesbians. And we all know how much regular guys like lesbians.

even if my reasoning is flawed at the premise of it being mostly females... think about it. That's probably the ones who started this things reasoning as well. It's all about the lesbians.

Veganism + Lesbianism eh?

Like some sort of strange conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I see this as being started by regular guys...

Most Vegans are female. So if there's vegansexual then chances would be high that they, being mostly women, would be lesbians. And we all know how much regular guys like lesbians.

even if my reasoning is flawed at the premise of it being mostly females... think about it. That's probably the ones who started this things reasoning as well. It's all about the lesbians.

So, let me get this straight, some guys invented this silly idea so there'd be more lesbians? Basically meaning they're statistically less likely to get laid.

I wouldn't have sex with a vegan anyway.

They disgust me.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So, let me get this straight, some guys invented this silly idea so there'd be more lesbians? Basically meaning they're statistically less likely to get laid. I've never understood the attraction to lesbians myself. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Creshosk
I've never understood the attraction to lesbians myself. *shrugs*

I am not a porn guy but I definately don't like to see another guy naked...there you have it.

Originally posted by Schecter
if someone is vegan does that mean they dont swallow? NO! lol, it means they don't eat meat or any animal products like chicken abortions or milk.

Originally posted by BackFire
Vegansexual's bodies are made up of dead plants. Monsters. Cruel inhuman monsters. Hope they all enjoy hell, murderers.

Besides, no one wants to have sex with some boney scrawny vegan with no boobs or ass. Psh, they're doing us a favor. Best post ever. Mostly because I was going to say the exact same thing.

Hey wait what's wrong with vegans?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Hey wait what's wrong with vegans?

Nothing, unless they're the annoying judgmental types, who point the finger at people who enjoy a nice juicy steak... that and low iron.

Originally posted by miss_swann
NO! lol, it means they don't eat meat or any animal products like chicken abortions or milk. I'm sorry, chicken abortions?

I don't think I've heard eggs termed that way before....

Originally posted by Strangelove
I'm sorry, chicken abortions?

I don't think I've heard eggs termed that way before....

LOL...I know...that was quite ingenious.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You're fine with dairy and not meat? So you have a problem with killing animals for food, but not with keeping them in a constant state of lactation purely for your own satisfaction?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a vegan or a vegatarian, I just see your reasoning as flawed.

constant state of lactation? unless your talking about drugging cows, i dont see what your point is. natural lactation isnt particularly harmful for a cow from what i know. and generally, you dont steal all the milk{other than in large commercial venture types which is wrong} from her and she has enough for her kids.

also, the milk taken can easily be compensated for by giving the cow easy and ample food which otherwise she would have to find by herself.

another thing is that cows generally, are not as active as animals like horses and in ranches etc, you dont technically bar them from naturally roaming etc. pastures are enough for that.

also, i dont see your point in comparing taking milk from cows, to killing them. it is a HUGE difference. and my point of view is consistant.

Originally posted by dadudemon
LOL...I know...that was quite ingenious. I think that's a compliment, although I don't think I made that up. I heard it somewhere... I think.

I'm vegetarian and I lol'd at this. But I'm omnisexual, so it doesn't really pertain directly to me. I'll shag hot meat any day!


....I mean hot meat-eaters any day. Yeah....hehe.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm vegetarian and I lol'd at this. But I'm omnisexual, so it doesn't really pertain directly to me. I'll shag hot meat any day!


....I mean hot meat-eaters any day. Yeah....hehe.

Omnisexual? You'll shag anything and everything?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm vegetarian and I lol'd at this. But I'm omnisexual, so it doesn't really pertain directly to me. I'll shag hot meat any day!


....I mean hot meat-eaters any day. Yeah....hehe.

Even parasitic ones??

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm vegetarian and I lol'd at this. But I'm omnisexual, so it doesn't really pertain directly to me. I'll shag hot meat any day!


....I mean hot meat-eaters any day. Yeah....hehe.



I wondered why a vegetarian was looking so longingly at the steaks at the BBQ. And now I know.

Necrophilic bestiality



Have you seen the length some worms that live in a cows digestive track can reach? Monster parasites. Absolute monsters.

I would still stick my beef in her taco.

Can I just say that I'm a Vegan and am tanned and not in the least bit pasty.

Originally posted by Whisper
Can I just say that I'm a Vegan and am tanned and not in the least bit pasty.

What about the sex thing then? Do you have sex with carnivores?

Seriously.

Alas I do...

Yep, some of those end up in us too...........Go Veggies!

Originally posted by Whisper
Alas I do... I don't see why Vegans wouldn't I'm not of age or anything but I wouldn't care if they'd eaten meat or not.

Can vegans who don't use any animal product consume any other chocolate than dark? Or any products that used substances such as egg or milk to make them?

They're not suppose to. They usually find alternatives for those ingredients.

http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070803
http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070807

As long as they don't reproduce.

I am getting tired of them and PETA.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Can vegans who don't use any animal product consume any other chocolate than dark? Or any products that used substances such as egg or milk to make them? No. We need to read labels on food carefully, or just stick to the same daily diet.

Originally posted by JacopeX
As long as they don't reproduce.

I am getting tired of them and PETA. Oh, I'd gladly reproduce with a vegan if I was in love with them and vice versa. and we could take care of our offspring together... anyway you get what I mean.

I have no bigotry or prejudice against or toward a person who thinks differently from me.

Originally posted by debbiejo
They're not suppose to. They usually find alternatives for those ingredients.

Originally posted by miss_swann
No. We need to read labels on food carefully, or just stick to the same daily diet.
Thank you, you two. I was concerned by two complex conflicting thoughts. I say concerned due to worrying about another's hapiness.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, I'd gladly reproduce with a vegan if I was in love with them and vice versa. and we could take care of our offspring together... anyway you get what I mean.

I have no bigotry or prejudice against or toward a person who thinks differently from me. Me neither, I'd marry someone who ate meat ect. *shrugs* I don't care!




Originally posted by Creshosk
Thank you, you two. I was concerned by two complex conflicting thoughts. I say concerned due to worrying about another's hapiness. That right there confused me.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Me neither, I'd marry someone who ate meat ect. *shrugs* I don't care!




That right there confused me. Well, it might sound kinda sexist, but the girls I know all love chocolate. All of them.

So I kinda got it ingrained in me that females like chocolate. it makes them happy.

Recently I was learning how to make chocolate(homemade) and this thread came to mind when I needed to add the animal product ingrediants.

So then I was worried that the female vegans might be missing out on one of the thigns I know that makes females happy, but never really thought about it actually containing the animal products. (I had usually heard that it was actually a waxy chemical in milk chocolate and that milk chocolate was a misnomer. ermm

And wanted to find out if vegans could eat milk chocolate. But with substitues they'd be able to, sort of like tofu burgers or vegitarian (whatever the normal product is that's known to have animal.

Looking back it was rather silly of me. but I do like it when people are happy.

That's sweet but personally I became vegan for all the wrong reasons and I know a lot of other girls like me have done it for the same reasons. But chocolate is not a good thing for all girls, try flowers if you ever go out with a vegan, yellow ones because they're smiley!

Vegans lack protein which is not healthy.

nuts and seeds? Maybe we don't want to be healthy.

Protein can be gotten from plant souces. It's B-12 that they need. I used to be one for health reasons. And I did get quite healthy.

Oh, and yellow flowers are great. Love em.

See vegans can be healthy! Anyway it's more vegetarians that have more of a woo health state they eat a lot of chesse for protein and chesse is bad.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Protein can be gotten from plant souces. It's B-12 that they need. I used to be one for health reasons. And I did get quite healthy.

Oh, and yellow flowers are great. Love em. See thats the thing, many vegetarians lack vitamin B-12 simply because it does not exist naturally in any non-animal forms.

what does B-12 do?

Originally posted by JacopeX
See thats the thing, many vegetarians lack vitamin B-12 simply because it does not exist naturally in any non-animal forms. Yeah, you need a suppliment. If you don't take one, it could lead to depression amongst other things. But otherwise it's a very healthy diet, but a difficult one to keep. I did it for 3 years.

Iron, Zinc and Calcium are other nutrients that vegans lack.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, you need a suppliment. If you don't take one, it could lead to depression amongst other things. But otherwise it's a very healthy diet, but a difficult one to keep. I did it for 3 years. Can a lack of B-12 cause anorexia or make it worse?

Since technically B-12 is produced by microorganisms is it possible to eat food containing B-12 enriched flour?

most things with flour also have chicken abortions.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Can a lack of B-12 cause anorexia or make it worse? http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/whatispa.html

Originally posted by miss_swann
Can a lack of B-12 cause anorexia or make it worse? I don't know, but I have read that it can cause neurological problems such as depression as I've mentioned. Now someone with neurological problems might view things differently and tend to be off based on their thinking which could lead to self image perceptions and maybe anorexia as a result. Not sure.

Originally posted by miss_swann
most things with flour also have chicken abortions. but not everything.

http://foodgeeks.com/recipes/recipe/ 21073,rice_potato_pancakes_egg_free_gluten_free_mi
lk_free_wheat_free.phtml

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/whatispa.html oh dear...

Originally posted by miss_swann
oh dear... By taking supplements or eating enriched foods there should be no problem right?

do microorganisms count on the no animal product thing?

Originally posted by Creshosk
By taking supplements or eating enriched foods there should be no problem right?

do microorganisms count on the no animal product thing? vitamin B12 deficiency is a very serious problem leading ultimately to anemia and irreversible nerve damage. Prudent vegans will include sources of vitamin B12 in their diets

A number of reliable vegan food sources for vitamin B12 are known. One brand is nutritional yeast. It's very good, kind of tastes like cheese and can be used in may recipes...You sprinkle it on sandwiches, gravies, pastas, potatoes.......anything really.

How many calories do these supplements have?

Originally posted by Creshosk
By taking supplements or eating enriched foods there should be no problem right?

do microorganisms count on the no animal product thing?

They are not animals...or rather they are not part of the kingdom Animalia...if I was a vegan...I would be logical about...but what microorganisms could you possibly eat in large quantities other than cutlures that would be gross?

Originally posted by miss_swann
How many calories do these supplements have? Next to non, I believe, but you'd have to look it up. But it's very important to get B-12.

More on B-12 sources.

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm

Vegans annoy me.

One time, about two years ago, I had a female customer who dropped her car off to be worked on at my shop. She needed a ride to work (we give free rides to people who don't have any other means) and I offered, but she refused to go in my car because I have leather seats and she was a vegan. Honestly...

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Vegans annoy me.

One time, about two years ago, I had a female customer who dropped her car off to be worked on at my shop. She needed a ride to work (we give free rides to people who don't have any other means) and I offered, but she refused to go in my car because I have leather seats and she was a vegan. Honestly... PAthetic if you ask me.

Don't like the life style they live and usually I am fine with how many live. Like those who have OCD.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Omnisexual? You'll shag anything and everything?

It's a term of my own invention. It means that all of existence is my potential lover. I don't like being inhibited by traditional modes of sexuality (hetero- ; homo- ; a- ; metro- ; etc.). The basic definition I use for it is "I am attracted to exactly that to which I am attracted". Circular and a bit vague, but truthful. Men, women, meat, cities, abstract concepts, subatomic strings, etc. ad infinitum is my potential lover.

...now, in practice, I have yet to be romantically attracted to anything besides female humans. But that shouldn't necessarily pigeon-hole me into that for all time. I like keeping my options open.

...



P.S. That's not a joke. I don't plan on being attracted to inanimate objects any time soon, but it's how I legitimately think of my sexuality.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Vegans annoy me.

One time, about two years ago, I had a female customer who dropped her car off to be worked on at my shop. She needed a ride to work (we give free rides to people who don't have any other means) and I offered, but she refused to go in my car because I have leather seats and she was a vegan. Honestly... My dad's car has leather seats and I go in it. Not all vegans are the same.

Originally posted by JacopeX

Don't like the life style they live and usually I am fine with how many live. Like those who have OCD. Some people who are vegans do have OCD, just as runners.....etc.

most people are OCD about something, like my ballet teacher, looks normal sounds normal until one person comes out of line to see there arms better in the mirror! It can be tiny, like you HAVE to brush your hair first thing every morning or if you don't get coffee you're broken!

Originally posted by miss_swann
most people are OCD about something, like my ballet teacher, looks normal sounds normal until one person comes out of line to see there arms better in the mirror! It can be tiny, like you HAVE to brush your hair first thing every morning or if you don't get coffee you're broken!

LOL

those are habits

not OCD

most people have habits and routines, not OCD

someone who turns the oven off 7 times before they leave the house has OCD

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Vegans annoy me.

One time, about two years ago, I had a female customer who dropped her car off to be worked on at my shop. She needed a ride to work (we give free rides to people who don't have any other means) and I offered, but she refused to go in my car because I have leather seats and she was a vegan. Honestly...

What madness. Thank goodness they didn't have any hand in the development of our species "No, I doubt care how cold it is, we aren't wearing beast hide. I'd be better off freezing during this ice age." or "I don't care how important meat eating would be to the evolution of the human brain!"

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"I don't care how important meat eating would be to the evolution of the human brain!" Explain.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Explain.

The large amount of protein from meat eating is what allowed our primate-like ancestors to Evolve a large(r) brain, i.e. meat was the Evolutionary fuel for the modern human brain.

edit:

Another aspect of what makes the "people are not supposed/designed to eat meat" vegetarian/vegan ranters so ****ing silly. Don't eat meat if you don't want to, no worries there, but don't spout nonsense.

Originally posted by Robtard
The large amount of protein from meat eating is what allowed our primate-like ancestors to Evolve a large(r) brain, i.e. meat was the Evolutionary fuel for the modern human brain. Ah, I didn't know about that. I'd heard that sugar was important in brian development but not that part.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, I didn't know about that. I'd heard that sugar was important in brian development but not that part.

Read up on human brain evolution, it's very interesting (I think)... a large "thinking" brain like ours is very taxing, if our ancestors never evolved/adapted from a vegetarian diet to a omnivore diet, we'd probably still be small, furry and be using simple sticks and stones as tools.

Originally posted by Robtard
Read up on human brain evolution, it's very interesting (I think)... a large "thinking" brain like ours is very taxing, if our ancestors never evolved/adapted from a vegetarian diet to a omnivore diet, we'd probably still be small, furry and be using simple sticks and stones as tools. Any material/books in particular you recommend?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Any material/books in particular you recommend?

Off the top of my head, no, sorry. There's many books, do a Google search or search Amazon.

The History Channel did a decent 3-4 part episode on Human Evolution, a part of it was about the "Human Brain"... it was sometime ago, so I can't remember the name.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Explain.

Well, it is linked to the theory that food, due to the brains highly chemical nature, is one of the basic ways in which the environment influenced its evolution. The body and its development are linked to the the nutrients, minerals, protein etc we consume, correct? And that food input over a long period of time can be seen to have influenced our development as a species.

In basic certain fatty-acids, docosahexaenoic acid and so on (best in sea food) have been identified as influences on changing brain chemistry allowing for larger brains (etc) with red meat also a major contributing factor due to it being a source high in protein which aided in brain growth. All this in turn required a highly efficient bloodstream to provide oxygen and keep the larger brain cool. Iron of course is integral to allowing red blood cells to transport oxygen, and a prime source of iron is red meat and would, for the omnivorous ancestors of modern humankind be the main source.



Exactly.

Originally posted by Robtard
Off the top of my head, no, sorry. There's many books, do a Google search or search Amazon.

The History Channel did a decent 3-4 part episode on Human Evolution, a part of it was about the "Human Brain"... it was sometime ago, so I can't remember the name. Thank you I apreciate it.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well, it is linked to the theory that food, due to the brains highly chemical nature, is one of the basic ways in which the environment influenced its evolution. The body and its development are linked to the the nutrients, minerals, protein etc we consume, correct? And that food input over a long period of time can be seen to have influenced our development as a species.

In basic certain fatty-acids, docosahexaenoic acid and so on (best in sea food) have been identified as influences on changing brain chemistry allowing for larger brains (etc) with red meat also a major contributing factor due to it being a source high in protein which aided in brain growth. All this in turn required a highly efficient bloodstream to provide oxygen and keep the larger brain cool. Iron of course is integral to allowing red blood cells to transport oxygen, and a prime source of iron is red meat and would, for the omnivorous ancestors of modern humankind be the main source.



Exactly. So that's why they say fish is brain food.

Originally posted by Creshosk

So that's why they say fish is brain food.

Yep - omega 3, Omega 6 and some other fatty acids are important for brain development and well-being.

And I get mine! Also good for the heart too.

I don't get mine! And I'm fine! Adam and Eve survived quite happily for a time off fruits.

Originally posted by miss_swann
I don't get mine! And I'm fine! Adam and Eve survived quite happily for a time off fruits.

I don't think the Bible mentions a time-span for the Garden of Eden... for all we know, God tore out Adam's rib, created Eve, told them to not eat the Apple and she immediately went and ate it. Stupid woman.

That wasn't really my point. I'm just saying it's possible to survive from fruit and vegetables alone.

Well it would seem that before people learned how to actually eat what they killed that they probably ate what was grown.

Of course they'd have to of learned how to cook animals they killed in order for it to taste, well......good.

Until then, people survived quite well on vegetation.

Originally posted by miss_swann
That wasn't really my point. I'm just saying it's possible to survive from fruit and vegetables alone.

I understood your point, I was being an ass for the sake of being an ass.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well it would seem that before people learned how to actually eat what they killed that they probably ate what was grown.

Of course they'd have to of learned how to cook animals they killed in order for it to taste, well......good.

Until then, people survived quite well on vegetation.

What?

Huh?

WTF?

Our ancestors have been eating meat for eons; it was the protein in meat that shaped us into what we are today.

Originally posted by Robtard
What?

Huh?

WTF?

Our ancestors have been eating meat for eons; it was the protein in meat that shaped us into what we are today. And what were they eating before that?

Originally posted by debbiejo
And what were they eating before that?

Who exactly? If you mean Cro Magnon, then they were omnivores with a high leaning to hunting for sustenance.

Our ancestors.

, Oh, you edited your post. Okay, Apes and animals of that nature.

They didn't eat much animal protein though. They mostly ate ants, eggs, fish and things of that nature.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/gorilla.html

Originally posted by debbiejo
Our ancestors.

Which ones exactly? As noted, it was early meat-eating that helped us on our Evolutionary path to having a large(r) "thinking" brain.

It depends where our ancestors came from those whose ancestors came from rainforests probably ate way more fruit than those who came from places like Scandanavia where there was things like bears and deer to eat.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which ones exactly? As noted, it was early meat-eating that helped us on our Evolutionary path to having a large(r) "thinking" brain. I believe it was more fish. That is where the EFA are, the Omega oils.

Originally posted by miss_swann
It depends where our ancestors came from those whose ancestors came from rainforests probably ate way more fruit than those who came from places like Scandanavia where there was things like bears and deer to eat.

Were talking about the earliest Human ancestors, as we're all from the same lineage.

If the ancestors of modern apes (Chimps etc.) had a different environment and picked up meat eating too, then it's possible they would have had a similar Evolutionary tree to ours.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I believe it was more fish. That is where the EFA are, the Omega oils.

From what I read, the earliest meat eating was done with insects and small mammals (though smallow water fish is possible), it eventually lead to picking scraps from large(r) dead mammals which fueled the brain-process... the rest is history.

this requires deep thinking... and I feel a bit stupid so bye.

Originally posted by miss_swann
this requires deep thinking... and I feel a bit stupid so bye.

No need to feel stupid, read up, if it interest you.

I find it interesting, too bad we'll never really know what true diets were 4 thousands years ago. Interesting to speculate on it though.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I find it interesting, too bad we'll never really know what true diets were 4 thousands years ago. Interesting to speculate on it though.

We do know what diets were like 4k years ago, as civilizations like the Egyptians kept records. They were agrarian and they also kept/rasied livestock for food, i.e. omnivores.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I find it interesting, too bad we'll never really know what true diets were 4 thousands years ago. Interesting to speculate on it though. Why do you think we will never know?

well at least in 4,000 years time our ancestors will know there was a epidemic of fat people.

Originally posted by miss_swann
well at least in 4,000 years time our ancestors will know there was a epidemic of fat people.

"our progeny"

something like that, it's worrying :/

Originally posted by miss_swann
well at least in 4,000 years time our ancestors will know there was a epidemic of fat people.

Maybe they will all be fat by our standards #hmm#

Oh well, doesn't really matter. If someone feels good overweight that's good for them.

is it? Surely that's still unhealthy because they must be eating total rubbish?

people should be allowed to do unhealthy things to themselves without fear of prejudice from the health gestapo

and anyone who is so commited to their dietary rituals that they have convinced themselves that the human body was designed to support a diet of only fruits and vegtables is willfully ignoring real evidence.

Originally posted by miss_swann
is it? Surely that's still unhealthy because they must be eating total rubbish?

I've met plenty of fat vegetarians/vegans; I was friends with one for a few years. He used to rant on and on about how unhealthy meat was, how it would kill me early, I laughed and showed him my trim belly each time.

Point is, not all fat people are fat solely because they "eat rubbish"; not all fat people are unhealthy.

Edit: I should add that he was fairly unhealthy, had bad skin color and was sick often, despite his "vegan-healthy" diet.

Originally posted by Robtard
We do know what diets were like 4k years ago, as civilizations like the Egyptians kept records. They were agrarian and they also kept/rasied livestock for food, i.e. omnivores. Oh, I meant Neanderthal type people. Going way back to the days of the Troglodytes..

And yes there are plenty of overweight vegetarians who eat nothing but junk.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Oh, I meant Neanderthal type people. Going way back to the days of the Troglodytes..

Neanderthals were almost strictly carnivores, something like 85% of their intake was meat. This is due to the environment the were adapted for (Ice Ages). Anyhow, Neanderthals were humans, but they were separate from our Evolutionary line.

Fossil remains of teeth of our ancestors do tell us what their diet was like.

We have entered the realms of hypothesis heaven.

Originally posted by debbiejo
We have entered the realms of hypothesis heaven.

No... fossils, clothing and tools of our ancestors do in fact serve a purpose in telling us about how they lived and what they ate.

Saying "Until then, people survived quite well on vegetation." is a hypothesis, possibly. What foundation do you have for this?

Edit:
Originally posted by debbiejo
Our ancestors.

, Oh, you edited your post. Okay, Apes and animals of that nature.

They didn't eat much animal protein though. They mostly ate ants, eggs, fish and things of that nature.


http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/gorilla.html

Our ancestors weren't gorillas, though humans and modern apes do share lineage going WAY back.

Anyhow, your article supports what I am saying in regards to our ancestors.

"Recently, some researchers, in examining their fossil teeth, have claimed that the Australopithicines were vegetarians; but the evidence indicates they were omnivorous. It is clear that by the time "humans" evolved, from Homo erectus through to what is now considered "modern" humans, such as Cro-Magnon man, humans were primarily meat eaters.According to J. Brownoski, (The Ascent of Man), it was meat-eating that led to the rise of modern man. Homo erectus invented stone tools for hunting big game which led to the invention of more advanced stone tools by Cro-Magnon to modern humans.
"

Well, I came from a different place anyway........LOL

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, I came from a different place anyway........LOL

You came from what/where?

Also of note, that article as a whole is anti-vegetarian/vegan:

"So what can the diet of gorillas tell us about what constitutes a healthy diet for humans? Little if anything. Humans are omnivores and need animal protein as well as plant foods to maintain sound health."

You should read it, it's a fairly good article.

I still think that it was fish that was the most common protein along with insects as the article mentions.

My conclusion of the article is that yes, we are omnivores, of course. Plants and fish fish fish to maintain good health.

You can assimilate fish better than any other animal protein. Beef, lamb (yummy), pork, chicken are all great, but they are harder on your organs to digest

Originally posted by debbiejo
I still think that it was fish that was the most common protein along with insects as the article mentions.

My conclusion of the article is that yes, we are omnivores, of course. Plants and fish fish fish to maintain good health.

You can assimilate fish better than any other animal protein. Beef, lamb (yummy), pork, chicken are all great, but they are harder on your organs to digest

In the end a balanced diet is best for good health for modern humans, and in the past our distant ancestors ingested a sufficient amount of meat and plants to allow for the body to develop in ways that would not have been possible otherwise.

As others have said here - Vegans can be Vegans if they want, but they shouldn't imply that meat eating is wrong (in terms of physical health) in moderation and balance, or that meat didn't play a part in our evolution.

Anyone else think that debbie is talking out of her ass?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anyone else think that debbie is talking out of her ass? Moron.

I know what I'm talking about. I do agree that a well balanced meal including proteins are beneficial. Okay, then meat, better? But that's not the way most people live. Less meat is better. Way less meat. I'm not talking likes and dislikes in your food. I'm talking about how your body metabolizes it. BTW I am not a vegan anymore. It was too difficult, but in the end I was able to rid myself of some health problems. It's kind of a detoxing diet.
Also, I have nothing against others for what they eat. I just steal bites......eat

Originally posted by inimalist
people should be allowed to do unhealthy things to themselves without fear of prejudice from the health gestapo Well unfortunatley that is next to impossible with all the dieticians and doctors swarming around.

Originally posted by inimalist
and anyone who is so commited to their dietary rituals that they have convinced themselves that the human body was designed to support a diet of only fruits and vegtables is willfully ignoring real evidence. All of the vegans I've ever meet (not counting ones I've past in the shop) were vegan for the dietary rituals they could stick to and have reasons for avoiding certain foods. The ones I met wanted to ignore all the rubbish about how all these foods with like 200 cals could be good for you.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've met plenty of fat vegetarians/vegans; I was friends with one for a few years. He used to rant on and on about how unhealthy meat was, how it would kill me early, I laughed and showed him my trim belly each time. A lot of vegetarians are fat because of the dairy products like chesse they consume for protein.

Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: I should add that he was fairly unhealthy, had bad skin color and was sick often, despite his "vegan-healthy" diet. What was his diet like? Can you please post like a typical days diet for him?

Originally posted by miss_swann

What was his diet like? Can you please post like a typical days diet for him?


Vegan. I don't remember the exacts, but he'd mostly eat uncooked veggies, beans etc. He did eat rice I believe, that was cooked though.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I still think that it was fish that was the most common protein along with insects as the article mentions.

My conclusion of the article is that yes, we are omnivores, of course. Plants and fish fish fish to maintain good health.

You can assimilate fish better than any other animal protein. Beef, lamb (yummy), pork, chicken are all great, but they are harder on your organs to digest

Did you actually read the article you posted this time?

Originally posted by Robtard
Vegan. I don't remember the exacts, but he'd mostly eat uncooked veggies, beans etc. He did eat rice I believe, that was cooked though. Sorry, I wasn't clear I meant how much did he eat?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Moron.

I know what I'm talking about. I do agree that a well balanced meal including proteins are beneficial. Okay, then meat, better? But that's not the way most people live. Less meat is better. Way less meat. I'm not talking likes and dislikes in your food. I'm talking about how your body metabolizes it. BTW I am not a vegan anymore. It was too difficult, but in the end I was able to rid myself of some health problems. It's kind of a detoxing diet.
Also, I have nothing against others for what they eat. I just steal bites......eat Yeah, we know, you are a 60% vegetarian now.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Sorry, I wasn't clear I meant how much did he eat?

Not that much, we'd have lunch together; I'd easily eat almost twice as much (calories). He was just genetically setup to be heavyset, I believe.

unlucky! Was he sad about being fat?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, we know, you are a 60% vegetarian now. 80%

Originally posted by debbiejo
80% thats a lie!

I love fish, they don't have feelings. Their little eyes don't cry...

Oh, we're talking about sex with carnivores. Okay, I'm in.

Originally posted by miss_swann
unlucky! Was he sad about being fat?

No, he was comfortable being like he was, though he didn't appreciate it when I used to point at his rotund belly and then show him my stomach, arms, chest whenever he went on a "meat is bad; meat will kill you, humans aren't designed to eat meat" vegan-idiot rant.

He sounds like such a hypocrite! I mean fat people can NOT lecture about food, I'vbe had to listen to it, it sounds like utter pants because you know they're so wrong because if they knew so much about food then how are they so fat? (sorry little ot rant!)