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everyone knows me as the guy that wanted spidey's strength to be upped and it has(he can press 20 tons now)...(also forgive the 'noot' expression in the title as it was too late for me to change it when i realised my error ;hope it cathces on a a new word)
but i thought i would share with you something rather fascinating , charecters like captain america ,spiderman ,thing who are stated to be at a certain level of strength but have been seen doing lifting greater than the amount assigned to thier name but truth may very well be that what theya re show lifting is within thier assigned strength levels.

marvel judges charecters by their ability to lift a sufficient weight above thier head(the press lift : http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/l_press.asp) however i have come to find from experince and from around teh web and my brother who is becoming a pro-lifter that one can bench more than he can press lift , they can tricep dip more than they can press lift, and they can support even more with the assistance of their back and leg musclues,squats and whatnot etc perhaps this can help explains why they can lift oustide thier assigned levels (perhaps this explains why cap is able to bench 1100lbs comfortably whearas he can press 800lbs only which i believe no one in the real world has beaten)

Originally posted by ankur29
everyone knows me as the guy that wanted spidey's strength to be upped and it has(he's 20 now)
but i thought i would share with you something rather fascinating , charecters like captain america ,spiderman ,thing who are stated to be at a certain level of strength but have been seen doing lifting greater than the amount assigned to thier name but truth may very well be that what theya re show lifting is within thier assigned strength levels.

marvel judges charecters by their ability to lift a sufficient weight above thier head(the press lift : http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/l_press.asp) however i have come to find from experince and from around teh web and my brother who is becoming a pro-lifter that one can bench more than he can press lift , they can tricep dip more than they can press lift, and they can support even more with the assistance of their back and leg musclues,squats and whatnot etc perhaps this can help explains why they can lift oustide thier assigned levels (perhaps this explains why cap is able to bench 1100lbs comfortably whearas he can press 800lbs only which i believe no one in the real world has beaten)

Ok then explain Hulk holding up a hundred billion tons while he's listed as class 80?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok then explain Hulk holding up a hundred billion tons while he's listed as class 80?

hulk ? class 80? hundred ?
it was a 150 billion tons!
and he did not lift it anyways he was merly supporting a fraction of the weight.

i mean that form what i have said charecter like thing who are said to be able to press 90 tons he coudl very well bench say 150 tons etc

i can bench almost tiwce as much as i can press so im basing this logic on that , yes it's a comic book logic does not apply but it is a cool way to look at it

Originally posted by ankur29
hulk ? class 80? hundred ?
it was a 150 billion tons!
and he did not lift it anyways he was merly supporting a fraction of the weight.

i mean that form what i have said charecter like thing who are said to be able to press 90 tons he coudl very well bench say 150 tons etc

i can bench almost tiwce as much as i can press so im basing this logic on that , yes it's a comic book logic does not apply but it is a cool way to look at it

Ok explain Thor lifting Jormungandr, who weighed as much as the Earth, listed as class 100.

Originally posted by ankur29
hulk ? class 80? hundred ?
it was a 150 billion tons!
and he did not lift it anyways he was merly supporting a fraction of the weight.

i mean that form what i have said charecter like thing who are said to be able to press 90 tons he coudl very well bench say 150 tons etc

i can bench almost tiwce as much as i can press so im basing this logic on that , yes it's a comic book logic does not apply but it is a cool way to look at it

So let's say you can bench press 180 lbs. That would be the equivilant of me putting a 900 million ton oil tanker on your back. Can you support that?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok explain Thor lifting Jormungandr, who weighed as much as the Earth, listed as class 100.

firstly thor is not class 100 (colossu and thing are class 100, class 100 means able to press 90 - 100tons thjor is clearly above that ) he is excess of 100 tons , this could means a level that too high to measure with numbers like a 100tons , but assuming that thor could press lift a few billion tons the feat becomes easily possible as thor was also acting out of adrenaline and duress

also i don't think this system applie to any charecter who can lift in excvess of 100 tons , this applies to charecters who have had thier strength limits established below 100 tons in the handbooks

i.e spidey can press 20 tons, so assuming we saw him support around 50 tons on his back (whisch is reasonably possible) in a comic this would not make him a class 50 (able to press 25-50 tons ) he would still be a class 25(10-25tons)

Originally posted by ankur29
firstly thor is not class 100
Thor is class 100.
http://marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/100.htm

Hercules is also class 100. Here are Thor and Hercules arm-wrestling, knocking the planet out of orbit (far beyond 100 tons of force using only their biceps):

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/planetpressure6vr.jpg

Guess who else is class 100? Gladiator, who can move a planet on his own with no outside help:
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/gladiatorii.htm

marvel directory is bullplop:

this is teh official system check it

Originally posted by ankur29
colossu and thing are class 100

Actually Colossus is class 70:
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm

Thing is class 85:
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thing.htm

Originally posted by ankur29
marvel directory is bullplop:

this is teh official system check it

In that pic you posted, it says class 100 can lift between 90 and 100 tons.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Actually Colossus is class 70:
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm

Thing is class 85:
http://marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thing.htm

i can't belive you still are looking at that site , i said it was bullplop

there is no such thing as class 70/85 the only categories are what is shown in the picture i attached above

Originally posted by ankur29
i can't belive you still are looking at that site , i said it was bullplop

there is no such thing as class 70/85 the only categories are what is shown in the picture i attached above

In the picture you posted above, it clearly states "can lift between 90 and 100 tons" for class 100. You just contradicted yourself.

Marvel Directory is a notoriously out of date and inaccurate site.

Originally posted by Kutulu
In the picture you posted above, it clearly states "can lift between 90 and 100 tons" for class 100. You just contradicted yourself.

how? what are you talking about ? i sais d class 100 was able to lift 90-100tons who are teh one who did not belive me read my other posts

Originally posted by ankur29
how? what are you talking about ? i sais d class 100 was able to lift 90-100tons who are teh one who did not belive me read my other posts

Because Colossus is Class 100 you stated, yet he can lift objects like this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusstrengthTT-X-men.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusstrengthTT-X-men2.jpg

From the size in that picture, it looks as large as a submarine which weighs in the tens of thousands of tons.

Who cares about class whatever. Sentry struggles with Ultron one week and snaps Terrax axe another. It's down to the writer. If it's a good story, stroke my minge.

More strength feats:

Catches a ship far larger than the X-men X-jet (the X-jet weighs 85 tons, this ship must weigh far more than that based on it's size), all while he was injured:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/SecretWars009-09.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/SecretWars009-10.jpg

Originally posted by ankur29
also forgive the 'noot' expression in the title as it was too late for me to change it when i realised my error ;hope it cathces on a a new word)
You can edit titles. none180

Just forget about class systems when it comes to the high ends guys - Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, Wonder Man, angry Colossus et al. They are way beyond.

Originally posted by ankur29
(perhaps this explains why cap is able to bench 1100lbs comfortably whearas he can press 800lbs only which i believe no one in the real world has beaten)

No it doesnt because he was doing reps of 1100lbs. If you can do 10 reps of 1100lbs you can roughly do 1 rep of 1500lbs.

Im assuming that the press 800lbs is a 1 rep maximum, therefore looking at his benching ability he should be able to press alot more than 800lbs. Maybe we could subtract 200lbs off 1500 and that will give him a press of 1200lbs and I would add more because in that workout he wasnt even tired.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No it doesnt because he was doing reps of 1100lbs. If you can do 10 reps of 1100lbs you can roughly do 1 rep of 1500lbs.

Im assuming that the press 800lbs is a 1 rep maximum, therefore looking at his benching ability he should be able to press alot more than 800lbs. Maybe we could subtract 200lbs off 1500 and that will give him a press of 1200lbs and I would add more because in that workout he wasnt even tired.

no i was under the impression that cap could press this amount '800lbs' 8-10 rep's for one set only neverthelss the point was saying cap can press 800lbs is a fair statement and does not mean that he cannot bench over this amount, his benching ability is proprtionate to his press lifting ability hence why he can bench 1100lbs with comfort

anyway here is something that will help calculate 1 rep max

http://www.muscletech.com/CALCULATORS/ONE_REP_MAX/one_rep_max.shtml

it is only up to 3 digits so you will have to use 110lbs instead of 1100lbs

Originally posted by ankur29
no i was under the impression that cap could press this amount '800lbs' 8-10 rep's for one set only neverthelss the point was saying cap can press 800lbs is a fair statement and does not mean that he cannot bench over this amount, his benching ability is proprtionate to his press lifting ability hence why he can bench 1100lbs with comfort

anyway here is something that will help calculate 1 rep max

http://www.muscletech.com/CALCULATORS/ONE_REP_MAX/one_rep_max.shtml

it is only up to 3 digits so you will have to use 110lbs instead of 1100lbs

Thats not the impression I got. I thought it was there absolute maximum 1 rep. I mean why would they choose reps, I mean wouldnt that be a bit ambigous. If Cap can do reps of 800 why choose 800? Why not 900 or 600, there one rep maximum seems more accurate.

Heres a better calculator.

http://www.musclenet.com/1repmaxcalculator.htm

So we're just going back and forth between various Marvel bios, deciding which ones to accept and deny, and how they apply to actual comics? Fruitless discussion...believe what you want, because there's no absolutes in comics.

Closing.