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Weakest person to take Gandalf...?

They start 1 Km apart.

You're all too scared to answer, eh? sly

The Punisher/Deadpool/insert random street-leveler/taskmaster could all kill Gandalf's mortal body.

Gandalf is really immortal though, his Maiar form would be much harder to destroy.

Didn't he go melee against a Balor?

Do you mean Balrog?

Originally posted by nimbus006
Do you mean Balrog?

Same shit, different name.

Originally posted by Soljer
Same shit, different name.

Oh well in that case... yes he did.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Oh well in that case... yes he did.

In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?

Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?

Balrogs are Maiar, just like Gandalf, Sauron, and Sauruman are. They are the most powerful beings in creation besides the Ainur and of course Illuvatar.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Balrogs are Maiar, just like Gandalf, Sauron, and Sauruman are. They are the most powerful beings in creation besides the Ainur and of course Illuvatar.

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English?

Originally posted by Soljer
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English?

Gandalf is one of the Maiar. Because the species isn't stuck in one form they can look like anything but still have roughly equal powers.

Gandalf could be a Balrog (or Balor for you DnD nerds) if he so desired.

The only things above them are Illuvitar (god) and the Anuir (some sorta true angels that built creation)

At least thats how I saw it.

Originally posted by Soljer
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English?

Sure.

Illuvatar = God
Ainur = Seraphim
Maiar = Angels

Yea but I still think a Maia's mortal form is vulnerable, you just can't kill their true form.

Heck even Melkor was never killed, he's just eternally imprisoned isn't he? I like to think Sauron wasn't killed either at the end of LOTR, just banished from the mortal world.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
Yea but I still think a Maia's mortal form is vulnerable, you just can't kill their true form.

Possible. In fact wasn't that part of the transition from Grey to White for Gandalf?



Originally posted by boriquaking55
Heck even Melkor was never killed, he's just eternally imprisoned isn't he? I like to think Sauron wasn't killed either at the end of LOTR, just banished from the mortal world.

Melkor is one of the Anuir so only Illuvitar can kill him (and he doesn't seem like the killing type)

Sauron is notoriously hard to kill (or imprison) and even with his power destroyed I'm pretty sure he can keep going.






Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.

Yea it is difficult to compare the two, and I made the mistake in my first post of considering the film version only, who was wayyy powered-down.

any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.

What if they started a lot closer? No Wolvi-blitz?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.

With a thought? I don't know of him using power like that.

Originally posted by Soljer
What if they started a lot closer? No Wolvi-blitz?
It hard to say. The dude was one of the most powerful beings the realm had ever seen.


His powers are crazy and much more exsplored out side the lord of the rings triligy.


I would have to re read some books to give you my true opinion.


but im going with gandolph till then.

Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?

Exactly... There is no street leveller who could stand up to a Maiar. Not only is he out of this world powerful, but Gandalf also can hold his own in swordsmanship having fought a Balrog to a standstill for 2 days.

Squirrel Girl could take him though

Originally posted by nimbus006
Exactly... There is no street leveller who could stand up to a Maiar. Not only is he out of this world powerful, but Gandalf also can hold his own in swordsmanship having fought a Balrog to a standstill for 2 days.

Was it a sword fight in the book? A lot of things were filed in by the movie.

Plus we're talking about a guy who's supposed to be like 2 tiers from god but he's thwarted by bad weather

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Was it a sword fight in the book? A lot of things were filed in by the movie.

Plus we're talking about a guy who's supposed to be like 2 tiers from god but he's thwarted by bad weather

I believe the demon also had a whip....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Was it a sword fight in the book? A lot of things were filed in by the movie.

Plus we're talking about a guy who's supposed to be like 2 tiers from god but he's thwarted by bad weather

Im pretty sure he used Glamdring in the fight with the Balrog.

But your right in the movie he is severely powered down.

Originally posted by Soljer
I believe the demon also had a whip....

I believe MrGygax has a lot to answer for . . .

John Constanine

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I believe MrGygax has a lot to answer for . . . I believe OJ did it

Anyways...

assume this isn't Movie Gandalf.

After the transition from Grey to White, is his mortal form (whatever the proper name is) just as vulnerable as the grey one? I remember that being some part of his transition... meh.

So how come the movie Gandalf was so Underwhelming in LOTR with the excpetion of the light thing he did in the 3rd, ?or end of 2nd movie? Was that just a creative descision?

I mean, killing the barlog was impressive, but still.

Teh Bumpzorz

Gandalf the grey couldn't beat couple of wolves I never considered Maiar very powerful, at least when they used the bodies of humans.

Anyone with a gun and a decent Aim should be able to take him out.