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Rosters:
BW - Iron Man, Spot, Hellfire King
Leo - Death's Head II, Spiral, Brainiac 8

Battle Location: The Amazon Rainforest. An invisible impenetrable forcefield will surround the forest, extending a mile beneath the surface and approximately 10 miles above the surface. Combatants will start .5 kilometers away from each other, but in a densely wooded area and not in plain sight of one another.

Match Length: Match will end tuesday the 14th at midnight EST.

- Previous match rulings and post limits apply

Judges:
- batdude
- the rest are TBA

Good luck.

Leo has opted to have a 2-part writeup, which will count as his 1st post in the match.

http://www.tarfumes.com/political/dick-cheney-angry.jpg

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Astounding. Your really cunning Leo, but ladies and gentlemen please look at what he will be trying to do first:


I will get to the technopathy part in a second, but I just wanted you all to see how futile his attempts would be anyways. He has no defense in place, and he starts off trying to find me. With the hydrogen fusion bombs having just gone off, he is dead. Period. Nothing can change that indisputable fact.

My plan takes precedence from the start of the fight all the way to the finish because of this fact. So as you can see my first post trumps his in terms of letting us know who is in total control of this fight.

Moving on let us deflate some of Leo's claims just to truly appreciate the win:

Indigo and her technopathy: The fact that I made sure my defenses were on tip top shape for these types of attacks, and the fact that you are already dead kinda negate this yea? Also, and this can be considered, but since I have stretched my spots out and am inside one of the spheres covered by them, would not the signal needed for "connection" to my armors be redirected through spots as it would have to pass through them to get to me??

Besides here is someone who is>>>>>>both of us in terms of tech/magic (one of the Eighth Day Examplars given total power from a "god" equal to cyttorak trying to take over Ironmans suit. He eventually does, but its no small feat considering who it is): http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsexemplars1i4ggrc4.jpg

And since Indigo has been jammed by human technology before (Ill get the scan later, dont have it on me) it should not really be a problem.

Ultron Code
Also about the Ultron Code *Specifically that code that ONLY attacks Ultron tech according to YOUR scan*: While I dont have that issue, what you showed was enough to know that I already HAVE a defense against it, mostly because I dont have Ultron hardware on me! I have Shaws body remember? But if you think that I by accident happen to get the artificial heart because it is considered tech (meaning I get two hearts). See the artificial heart, continually adapts itself. At first it needed to be charged, then it adapted to having its own power system. One time ghost phased through it and the next:

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasersee1.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artificialheartur7.jpg

And again, we show it adapting and changing shape:

http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultronheartxh3.jpg

So if you had already presented it with Ultron Code, it would have adapted to it *since obviously he is still alive*. Whats that all mean? The Ultron Code for the heart would no longer work! Also, since it seems to be able to adapt when Tony wants something done, it could conceivably give me even more defense against your technopathy!

So, what you are trying to do is introduce Ultron into my system? Or the self destruct codes that he has already evolved against? The first would just have you going against Ultron The second, well it will not work.

Let us also realize that the ONLY reason that Ultron got into the Sentient Armor was because Tony downloaded Jocasta (who had Ultron programming). That would most definitely not be the case here.

Spirals magic
About your tactical teleportation/magical teleportation I can keep a lock on you:

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportsignatureeq4.jpg

Also, you could not magically teleport my armors away (AFTER the four hydrogen bombs!!) because the armors would be in constant movement and wouldnt you know that kinda hinders Spiral:

http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiral7vg8mb1.jpg

I also want to see Spiral amp her own powers. Seriously, show me one time she amped herself up. Or something that truly amazes me, because some psi web isnt going to cut the amp-age you claim to have.


Cage Power dampener
The Cage uses a power dampener that needs to block the signals mentally from the body that controls said power after being scanned with probes. Being that I am covered in the Ironman suit, no such signal would pass through anyways. I would still have Spots powers. That is of course assuming that you can actually shift through every single piece of information that those databases have and happen to get that info, and that info happens to say how to construct said field with specifics on the energy. Your playing a guessing game where you want things to align perfectly.

HFK Spots
As to his spot defense, he has to either take them off his body and stretch them, or create them like I have shown he can do. Being that Tony is infinitely smarter than Spot, he would use the powers to a much greater extent than Spot would. Its logical conclusions one would have to using Spots powers, not just that Spot never thought to use them in that way.

Superior Tech
All this time you have been trying to prove that your tech is superior to mine, and yet every time Ironman goes into the future, or meets aliens his tech is still good enough to kick ass. Your underestimating the armor to a great degree if you think you can hack into my systems in a few seconds. Thats ludicrous and absurdly over exaggerates your "powers".

Also how did you manage to get the Kimoyo card? BP's personality does not equal = the card. Let us also realize that no one has all the information on the armors because Tony does not want anyone having that much information on his armor. I mean why do you think he went through all the trouble with the Armor War arc to destroy all armors?

Also, the only time I can remember that Indigo remotely accessed anything was the superman android that she really did not control since she ended up fighting him when he went wild. Let us not forget she was physically interfacing with the Star labs storage room to get him though. All other appearances I can think of she was in direct contact with a computer system to interface with it. I really cannot remember her taking over a computer system remotely. In fact how many times HAS she taken over a computer remotely?

Pointless? Of course!
Most of this does not really matter anyways since he went KABLOOM from the FOUR HYDROGEN FUSION BOMBS in the first second without any warning of it. You spent way to much time trying to take me over, or nullify me during prep instead of having a true offense or defense for the battle. Time is money, and you spent yours in the wrong way my friend. With you down from the very get go of the battle, my first post pretty much details in no uncertain terms what will happen. None of your strategies can come to fruition.

Again, my superior forces, that will not be taken over by you in your weakened state and that I dont think you can actually remotely take over a computer system with Indigo, will destroy you thanks to the hydrogen fusion bombs having effected you *if you know, they HAVENT destroyed you already *. The tech foam most importantly hampers you from doing anything magical, the negative ionic gun makes you even weaker than normal, and the repulser rays to take you apart. Then you have to contend with the techno-organic virus that I have spread around with my armor(s). But that is only if people for some very very very, did I mention very odd reason believe you will survive my initial attack.

Summary:
My first attack while aggressive and ruthless, also happens to be very very effective! I doubt I NEED the other measures I have come up with, but being that I have them in use I can use them IF need be. But really you will not be surviving a hydrogen fusion bomb x4
Really can we just get the votes in already? Nothing you say can get you out of the pickle your in

Just to bump it over to this thread rather than just discussion, here is our judge list:

- batdude
- DC
- Smurph
- Bada
- Soljer

Originally posted by leonidas
crazy-ass nukes: let me get this straight, Stark is gonna steal 4 nukes for a battle by creating spots big enough to haul out FOUR 50 megaton bombs?

Yep. Good thing we are on the same page with my opening. I mean just teleporting there and stealing them quickly seems like the way to go no?

I mean your the one who posted scans from Spiderman's Tangled Web where he was in "the cage". Heres a scan from the same comic *yes I know the spot looks yellow*
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigspotov8.jpg

Another spot they would fit in if they were created under them individually:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w2609hj2.jpg



Well man you just
A) Insulted some people (Judges do you LIKE being insulted? Didnt think so!)
B) Did not realize I just was gonna steal em.
C) Told us you cannot count to zero!



Oh dammit you are right. I mean with Indigo/B8 being able to react at almost Flash like speed this should be a piece of cake for you. I will even do you the favor and show all these good people some of her reaction speeds (and all are scans are of B8 the "supped" up version):

Here is one where she assimilates billions of pieces of info and reacts accordingly:
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo09od6.jpg

Oh wait, oops sorry wrong scan. Here lemme fix that. Here Jade gets a whole monologue and of course B8 reacts with FTL speeds:
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned11de2.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned12bzd9.jpg

DAMMIT. Something must be up with imageshack since it wont let me show her uber reaction scans. Here lemme see of I can do it this time:
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo16vz5.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo17np2.jpg

Maybe if I show her high level senses?
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo03sd0.jpg
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo04lc4.jpg

I wonder.....maybe I will try again later and see if I can show them those super reaction speeds and senses of yours, k pumpkin?



Well its a good thing I did talk to them then isnt it? Basically this scan:
http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intangibilityvh4nx7.jpg
Is NOT intangibility. Its a complicated teleportation spell that takes you to another dimension. Guess what Goober says about that?

"Well in that case...Your argument just got a whole lot easier. If leo actually transports himself away (even if it is only for a split second) that's leaving the battlefield which is NOT allowed. So just point out that the technique is actually teleportation rather than intangibility and your case on the matter is pretty much made"

Guess it sucks to give me advice, yes?



Interesting. "Mistake" 1 was brilliant, "mistake" 2 was shown to be true, and "mistake" 3 came back to haunt you. 4 was a calculated risk, as I can still spread it through the armors.



SAYWHAA? So many mistakes in that paragraph. First of all the scan you showed was the TIN MAN armor (mark 2?) *as in NOT the skin armor which was before*. I would be wearing the TIN MAN armor (mark 5?) with the skin liquid as an extra. So please try not to make faulty assumptions again.



Your over exaggeration of Indigo's reactions will not help you. Spiral's consciousness will not help with that, and even if they did she can be hit (rouge being a prime example). Or maybe you meant DHII? Ive already shown scans of thing being able to react to him. Damn man I really dont know where you think you can react with flash like reflexes.



uhsah? Its covering me and my "men". Think of a cube of spots, with extra spots covering the spaces left by the main six. I mean Tony is an engineer I am sure he can figure something that simple out. The bombs are outside the sphere, and have spots appear under them. They drop and open up where they need to be.



Man too bad that got the ax. Not that you could react fast enough anyways. It would be assuming you could move your six hands fast enough to preform the magic and then teleport away before the blast hit you, and stay in the other dimension while it was happening. Either way? ITS ALL BANNED.



1) It can be projected through an airborn passage. Ironman has done the same with reverse engineered nanobots

2) Yea, care to show that? Your amping your characters body a wee too much me thinks.

3) So your gonna just tell me, without proof that just because she is looking for random data, she will come across this specific little detail? Thats absurd to assume she can know ALL things.



Do you read your own scans?
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102sd.jpg
It would only effect the artificial heart, if I even have it (does that count as tech for my character?) Even if it did, I have already shown it would have adapted.

Mad Tinker used ultrasonics WAAAAAAAY back in the day if I am not mistaken, and Ironman soon fixed that problem. And again you show your lack of knowledge on the subject matter as that was not the SKIN armor, nor am I USING the SKIN armor. I am actually using SKIN + my regular armor.



Ha. Thats funny. So after you got blown to bits by the hydrogen bombs you think you still have enough hands to preform a spell? Since you know it takes Spiral using her hands to do the magic. And this is even IF you survive, which really you should have no reason to.


Gee I feel a bit like the guys at Mythbusters, since I just debunked both these lies




Too true my friend, too true


Shaw? He needs some loving I guess. First he can absorb any blasts/heat as its all kinetic energy. As is sonics, since it is nothing more than vibrations.

Some scans that show him absorbing energy
Rouge/Gambit
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page18sm0fl1.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page19xz8es3.jpg

Holocaust:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce48p13zm4la3.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce48p14au8cv9.jpg

SUMMARY

4 Hydrogen Fusion Bombs: Check
His reactions NOT at flash like levels?: Check
Having blown his "intangibility" trick out of the water: Check
Him dying in the first second of battle? Priceless

Your battle plans take too much time. Mine does not have that problem.

You said it best when you said:

Ok folks sorry for the confusion but what Blair said about leo's teleporting is true. For some reason, I've been under the impression that leo was just shunting his mass off to another dimension in a manner similar to Martian Manhunter, I didn't realize that he was actually teleporting away. My allowing leo to do that would be right along the same lines as my allowing Blair to go to the Spot Dimension to avoid attacks, and I've always said that that kind of thing isn't allowed. So my apologies to leo for OKing it and then flip flopping, but I guess I just never paid close enough attention to the scan to notice.

Thanks to goober for clearing that up. Since it is an overturned ruling mid-match, it shouldn't really count against the participants in their earlier posts. Everything involving this should probably just be stricken from the record in terms of judging, and I'm sure both strategies will change somewhat as the result. Everything else, obviously, still holds true for both posters' strategies however.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks to goober for clearing that up. Since it is an overturned ruling mid-match, it shouldn't really count against the participants in their earlier posts. Everything involving this should probably just be stricken from the record in terms of judging, and I'm sure both strategies will change somewhat as the result. Everything else, obviously, still holds true for both posters' strategies however.
Sounds good to me. Sorry again to everyone for the confusion.

Excellent debating guys

Time is up. I will have my vote in tomorrow.

judge list:

- batdude
- DC
- Smurph
- Bada
- Soljer

i thought this went til WED at midnight.

damn. now that he clarified in a last second post, i would have loved to point out a few more . . . issues with his 'plan' . . .

grr, i really AM a bit irked at not having had 5 minutes to point out a rather large issue with his final post -- now that he clarified all the bombs were OUTSIDE his sphere while he was INSIDE it . . .

grr . . .

anyway, well done bw.

Originally posted by leonidas
grr, i really AM a bit irked at not having had 5 minutes to point out a rather large issue with his final post -- now that he clarified all the bombs were OUTSIDE his sphere while he was INSIDE it . . .

grr . . .

anyway, well done bw.

You know, you're not supposed to try and influence their decision after it's over. You're also about as subtle as Skreet

Bada's Vote

Well, this match had some twists and turns. Sorry for my delay but I wanted to look through my comics, check the respect threads and verify some of the claims for myself.

Leonidas, your prep and plan are decently solid without many discrepancies. I also thought you did a good job at pointing out some flaws in Blair's plan. The whole teleporting thing was a glitch but you recovered nicely. I didn't like the reliance on precedent set by previous matches for some of your proof and would have liked a bit more in the way of new scans. It wasn't too difficult to review the past matches since I always do anyway when judging later tournament rounds.

Blair Wind, I liked your plan. It was direct and brutal. I'm just not convinced that Stark as Secretary Of defense in Pre Extremis would have the arming codes for the 50 megaton nukes or could get to 4 nukes, reprogram them in the 10 minutes and have them ready for your attack plus implementing the rest of your plan. This also doesn't allow the techno-organic virus to be dispersed. I hated deciding this since I do like your plan and you didn't have much of a backup.

My vote is for Leonidas

Smurf's Vote

Needless to say, you both did very well and this was the toughest to judge so far... congrats, etc.

This was an odd match, though. It seemed to me that Blair relied heavily on his prep succeeding, and Leo relied on it failing. Granted, Blair's prep was ambitious, perhaps to a fault, but not out of the realm of imagination. Taking into account that Tony would use the spots MUCH more efficiently then Spot ever would, that as the paranoid, powerful freak that he is, memorizing or prgramming into his armor codes for seriously powerful bombs isn't beyond comprehension.

ESPECIALLY considering he's had a hand in designing parts for US Missiles in the past, as was shown in Leo's scan, and then later in Blair's.

The idea of the illness dispersion, and extra armors was stretching it... but I was convinced that, havibng seen the armor cerack smaller missiles in no time at all, and with the knowledge that these ones were smaller then what they had been cracked up to be, I was convinced of the possibility.

I was convinced that Leo would win if Blair's prep went down the drain, but I was also convinced after Leo's intangibility was ruled out (that was a major survival possibility...), that the chances of him perishing through the prep was higher than otherwise.

So, with that all said, and with the knowledge that this IS Tony Stark behind the wheel... Blair Wind ftw

I'll have my vote in later today. Sorry I wasn't able to vote yesterday. I was kinda busy.

Well, this is the toughest decision thus far...but anyway, here is my vote.

Blair's Spot teleportation really is a tough one to beat. Having read lot of Spider-Man, I've seen what he can do...and that is an idiot Spot. Spot with the brains of Tony Stark? Sky is the limit. I was convinced that he can create Spots out of nothing (having seen it myself) and by combining the spots, he could make larger ones.

Leo was mistaken in that nuclear weapons are the size of small buildings, they are not. Smaller ones weigh less then hundred pounds, modern technology has truly made them smaller. Even the largest possible modernnukes weigh less then 20 tons, and BW, having the strength of Iron Man, would not have troubles carrying them with a fraction of his strength. His nuke plan convinced me, although Leo really did put out some good points. Tony Stark's intelligence combined with his armor hacking capablities, combined that he is the Secretary of Defense in my opinion would have been enough for him to get his hands on the nukes, even under the time constraint. He doesn't have to care about traveling, considering that he has those handy spots.

Now, however, here is the big strike. Leo wasn't allowed to use the intangibility/teleportation. Had he been allowed to do so, (and I do feel it is a bit unfair to ban it in the middle of battle), he could have simply avoided the blast from the nukes. IMO, his reaction time would have been enough to do so. However, as it stands now, rules are rules and Leo isn't allowed to do so. I wasn't convinced that he had the capablities to avoid the blast or other attack plans BW had.

I'm going to have to vote for Blair Wind. It was a really tough battle.

Judge's Vote

First of all, I'd like to say good job to both contestants. You guys did a good job.

Wow... this was the best tourney match (by quite a bit) so far. After every post, I was being swayed back and forth like a damn tree. It should be noted, however, that while both contestants did very well, I was a little shaky with the idea of Tony Stark hijacking 4 H-bombs from the US military for his own personal use. Regardless of the semantics behind the Secretary of Defense stealing nukes from the government (which is treason, btw... they wouldn't just hand them over), I wasn't convinced he'd be able to implement them in the manner he was hoping for ALONG with the rest of his plan. 10 minutes is just flat out not enough time for it.

Then of course, there was the whole spot dimension discrepancy. Whatever... I'll let that one go, considering it's not very integral to the match.

Leo's attack plan (while convoluted in some areas), was a nice way of attacking BW's character. A simple EMP, and Stark would be completely out of the equation. Even if the whole "nuke jacking" debacle took place (which I wasn't buying), Leo could still teleport out of the area before they went off. His character was surveying the field for the whole time, after all.

In the end, it came down to (for me) the believability factor. I wasn't convinced Blair's plan would work, while Leo had a solid and believable plan of attack.

Great job guys, however... my vote goes to Leo

2 - 2 eh? ... I don't envy whoever has to break the tie .... Soljer is it?

I want, first, to apologize for my absence, I realize you are waiting on my vote. I want to do my best to explain; you see, my sister JUST gave birth to her second child, and I've been doing my best to help her out these past few days, staying with her at her place. I honestly didn't PLAN to be 'irresponsible' when I offered to judge...but...

I mean...

Priorities. My new nephew is just a step above comic books.

I WILL however cast my vote momentarily.

Again, I apologize for the delay and...well...gimme a few, it'll be rectified.

Originally posted by Soljer
I want, first, to apologize for my absence, I realize you are waiting on my vote. I want to do my best to explain; you see, my sister JUST gave birth to her second child, and I've been doing my best to help her out these past few days, staying with her at her place. I honestly didn't PLAN to be 'irresponsible' when I offered to judge...but...

I mean...

Priorities. My new nephew is just a step above comic books.

I WILL however cast my vote momentarily.

Again, I apologize for the delay and...well...gimme a few, it'll be rectified.
Don't worry about it Soljer, everyone might be eager to know your vote but I'm sure everyone will understand the delay. Just vote when you get the chance and tell your sis I said congratulations. I'm sure that'll mean a lot to her, since she doesn't know me because we've never met or spoken to each other before .

s'ok my man. Family>>>KMC


Tell your sis I said congrats as well!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
KMC>Tourney vote So, Off Topic Thread > Blair's match.

Got it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
s'ok my man. Family>>>KMC


Tell your sis I said congrats as well!
Nice edit there man .

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
So, Off Topic Thread > Blair's match.

Got it.

uh sure why not. Its not like me/jinzin/whirly/ming tea/rage werent the ones that suggested to Paola to make it the off topic forum or anything

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nice edit there man .

Originally posted by Blair Wind
uh sure why not. Its not like me/jinzin/whirly/ming tea/rage werent the ones that suggested to Paola to make it the off topic forum or anything That's it, Blair, go for it. You cling to that last shred of fame, dammit!

I'll get out now.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
That's it, Blair, go for it. You cling to that last shred of fame, dammit!

I'll get out now.

Sir Yes Sir! Then again, I think Ive made a decent name for myself here

Alright, the tie breaker...

As Smurph pointed out, this match was quite exciting to read, and one could easily be swayed in either direction after any individual post. However, almost the entire thread was a back and forth of "I can nuke you!" "No you can't!"

Albeit, a little more well-put, and a little better supported, but you get the gist.

As the entire debate came down to "I can," "you can't" it's appropriate that the decision comes down to the very same thing. And it does - if Blair's prep goes as planned, Leo's gone in the first moment of the match. If Blair can't manage, Leo's attack will succeed and Blair won't likely recover.

With that said, it should be an easy guess with the following paragraph;
I honestly believe that Stark's analytical mind coupled with the Spot's mode of transportation COULD indeed get the required weapons within the required time - I admit it could seem a bit unlikely or unwieldy at first, but when looking at the Spot's showings as an idiot, we can only imagine what stark could accomplish behind the wheel. As far as reprogramming them goes, we've seen Stark accomplish far more difficult tasks, and fail at far simpler ones. It's just a question of which showings you believe are more accurate. Fortunately for Blair, I seem to believe Stark capable.

While I congratulate both contestants on a very well debated match, and wish both of them the best in any future matches, 'common sense' seems to be a bit beyond my grasp tonight; Blair.

And we have a winner, Blair goes onto the finals. But congrats to both Blair AND leo on a spectacular match.

Blair just creamed his pants.

Oh cool deal I won

Great Job Leo

Now everyone can go vote on the Scoobs vs Roldz match sly

c'est la vie. nice job bw.

Leo loses.

haermm

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