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Ok, after coming across topics about it on the internet, I decided to post my dream cast for main parts in the original franchise...

Bruce Wayne/Batman: Alec Baldwin (age 31 in 89)
Now don't get me wrong, I loved Keaton in Burton's movies, but I think Baldwin could have done just as good, and it would have appeased the raging fanboys of the time... He could be the "near psychotic, brooding Batman" that Burton had wanted and he looked more like Bruce Wayne from the comics, again, to appease the fanboys... And he would have been the right age, too, so he could be in multiple sequels (all of them if I got my way)... Just check out this picture, it SCREAMS Bruce Wayne...
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG

Jack Napier/Joker: Willem Dafoe (age 34 in 89)
Again, don't get me wrong, I loved Nicholoson in B89, but again, I think Dafoe could have done just as good with the Joker character (he could either be over the top, or more subtle, but still psychotic and at times, humorous in a dark way) And he looks more the part, even has the grin... And it would be interesting to see him as Jack Napier the gangster...
http://www.nndb.com/people/789/000022723/willemdafoe.jpg

Vicki Vale: Kim Basinger (age 36 in 89)
Why mess with perfection? She was beautiful... And Baldwin and Basinger might have hit it off sooner, so they would have fond memories of Batman, until they divorce later in life...
http://www.wtad.com/kim-basinger.jpg (beauty if I ever saw it)

Harvey Dent/Two-Face: Val Kilmer (age 30 in 89 and age 36 in 95)
I think he would be a good Harvey Dent if he had a good script and a good director... He looks the part, and could make a good Two-Face that is serious and tragic if given good material to work with...
http://www.geocities.com/brookeandtanya.geo/val/val7.jpg

Commissioner Gordon: Paul Newman (age 64 in 89)
He IS James Gordon, or at least, he was, at a time... I know he could nail the role... (guy on the left, of course)
http://www.americanphoto.co.jp/photosearch/Previews/PLX045286.jpg

Alfred Pennyworth: Michael Gough
He was good and convincing as Alfred, so I would keep him, definitely...

Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin: Joe Pesci (age 49 in 92)
He looks like the Penguin, has the build of the Penguin, and is used to playing gangster roles (the story could be changed to him trying to "reform" the mob with traditional made-men and also with freaks like the Red Triangle Gang, while trying to convince Gotham he's mayor material, so he can control city affairs, making his operations run WAY more smoothly, turning the story into a "Can Batman find evidence of Penguin's real plan while trying to fend off the feline fatale, Catwoman?" He does, and the people and Shrek turn against Oswald, and it drives him crazy, sending the Red Triangle Gang to attack the WayneCorp charity ball to find Shrek, where Selina and Bruce happen to be... Basically more comic accurate while keeping splices of Returns)... Just look at this picture...
http://biografie.leonardo.it/img/bio/j/Joe_Pesci.jpg (THAT is the Penguin)

Selina Kyle/Catwoman: Michelle Pfeiffer (age 34 in 92)
Again, why mess with perfection? And she'd be the same age as Baldwin in 92, so everything a fanboy could complain about is gone... I also think they would have good chemistry (maybe not as great as Keaton/Pfeiffer, but still there)...

Max Shrek: Christopher Walken
He's just awesome... Nuff said (He could be a secret financial aid to Penguin, and his close ally... He ends up double crossing Selina Kyle, which causes her to become Catwoman out of revenge (as a great parallel to the character of Batman)

Chase Meridian: Nicole Kidman
She can stay, just a generic love interest, anyway...

Ed Nigma/Riddler: Bronson Pinchot (age 36 in 95)
He has the ability to play the hyper Frank Gorshin Riddler to Val Kilmer's serious Two-Face...
http://www.matchflick.com/pimages/15324.jpg ("You were supposed to understand... I'll make you understand"

Dick Grayson/Robin: Rider Strong (age 16 in 95)
He hit it big with Boy Meets World as Shawn Hunter, a "rebellious bad boy" type character... He's got the ability to pull off the rebellious "Why won't you trust me?" Grayson... And by 19 he could have an argument, break away, and become Nightwing...
http://www.vivianreed.net/BMW/media/rider11.jpg
http://www.blowingsmoke.arizona.edu/scanned_pictures/riderstrong.jpg (Like mentor like ward, I always say)

Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy: Julianne Moore (age 38 in 98)
Natural redhead... Beautiful... From what I've seen, good acting ability... Can be a seductress...
http://www.nndb.com/people/670/000023601/julianne-moore-1-sized.jpg

Victor Fries/Mr. Freeze: Patrick Stewart (age 50 in 98)
He IS Mr. Freeze! Why Schumacher didn't cast him, I'll never know... He would definitely make Freeze the tragic, emotionless character he truly is...
http://www.popentertainment.com/patrickstewart01.jpg

Jonathon Crane/Scarecrow: Johnny Depp (age 38 in 2001)
He's played misunderstood roles before (Edward Scissorhands), and Scarecrow was originally in the comics a professor misunderstood by others, who was gonna use the money he stole to gain acceptance (the Returns Penguin, only not deformed)...
http://www.dvdenlared.com/data/docs/20070524024851/johnny_depp_01.jpg

Harleen Quinzell/Harley Quinn: Courtney Love (age 37 in 2001)
She may not be an actress, but she's blonde, controversial, and looks a lot like Harley Quinn... Give her a good script and she'll do fine... Her character would not be Joker's daughter, but someone who fell in love with the Joker through old newspaper articles and tv reports... She is dedicated to continuing the legacy of her "Mr. J"...
http://www.matgiordano.com/pics/courtney-love-01.jpg (That looks like Harley Quinn a little, doesn't it?)

Everyone else, like Knox, Grissom, Eckhardt, Mayor Borg, Bob the Goon, etc. would still be the actors who portrayed them...

Also, Knox would be in Returns as a reporter covering the elections...

And the Mafia wouldn't just disappear, even if the Joker pretty much destroyed it in B89...

And there'd be more explanation as to where Selina went, where Vale went, if Kyle is ever coming back

And finally, all the movies would take place in B89 Gotham, with the Elfman score, Burton Batmobile, etc. With no neon, butt/crotch shots, or nipples in sight...

P.S. A nice analysis of the Batman character that would be around in this world... Bruce Wayne (Alec Baldwin) first became Batman out of a "make sure it never happens again" mentality (notice how in the first half of B89 he never intentionally tries to kill someone?), then when he finds out Napier killed his parents, his motive switches to revenge, (second half was filled with him trying to kill Joker, until he finally did) then he triumphantly looks at the Bat Signal, now using his new, lethal methods with the "make sure it never happens again" motive... However, the more criminals he murders, the more distant and cold blooded he becomes (his noticeably darker mood in Returns), until he realizes he needs to stop this monster before anyone else is killed... ("When you find him, and then you kill him, it doesn't go away, you go out into the night, searching for another face, and another and another, until you realize that revenge has become your whole life." I'd keep that line between Bruce and Grayson in film 3, as he doesn't want Grayson to learn that lesson the hard way, the way he did, and the way Selina did) He realizes this around the end of Returns, a little before the dance with Selina scene where they find out who they both are... ("Now don't give me the 'Killing Shrek won't solve anything' speech cause it will..." "Wrong on both accounts..." He tries to tell Selina that killing Shrek will only cause depression and sorrow, and he wants what's best for her... However, she cannot be swayed (like he was in B89) and she kills him the same way she does in Returns... The ending is very much the same, except it's different in Penguin doesn't die... Bruce and Alfred drive off, while Selina triumphantly looks at the Bat Signal (sounds familiar, huh?)

Any thoughts? Sorry for the long post, just wanted my ideas heard...

I've always consider Ray Liotta as a good Harvey Dent/Two face.

I've always thought Ray Liotta would actually be a great Bruce Wayne/Batman. Got those crazy eyes. Gonna go and think about who I'd cast in all the roles if it was being made today.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I've always consider Ray Liotta as a good Harvey Dent/Two face.

Yeah, his name came up a lot in the places I looked for ideas... He's a great actor (loved Goodfellas) but I just can't see him as Harvey Dent/Two-Face... But, to each his own...

this has been done to death.But since it IS being done again my two major complaints of the casting of the Burton/Scumacher Batman movies have always been the two main characters of course BATMAN "AND" ROBIN. Yeah I always thought that Baldwin should have been cast back then as Bruce Wayne.He is a great actor who would have been so perfect for that role back then and he at least had the right physical build and looked the part which is very crucial for the role of bruce Wayne,his casting choise would have pleased ALL the batman fans.For Robin,

How the hell could Schumacher have passed up Scott Weinger from the show FULL HOUSE? that guy would have been so perfect for the role of Robin.He had the right look,was the right age,had the right charisma for Robin.He would have been PERFECT for that part.anybody would have been a better choice over chris-"no acting talent at all" O'donnel who was also wayyyyyyyyyy too old to be adopted as Robin. He looked the same age as Kilmer for god sakes.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
this has been done to death.

Well sorry! Maybe I happen to like the casting ideas I posted... And I've only posted my ideas about it ONCE... I haven't been posting it for like a year or anything... I've never seen any others on this forum... Maybe in the Archives (where I never go), but jeez, I joined in 04, and NEVER have I seen an "Original Franchise Casting List"... If you would be so kind as to point me in the direction of one, maybe I'll take your word for it...

I would have to back to the archives and i could do that but I know I will find at least two of them listed cause I know its been done at least twice.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I've always consider Ray Liotta as a good Harvey Dent/Two face.


Ray Liotta is a fine actor. He should have been considered.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Ray Liotta is a fine actor. He should have been considered.

I heard that he was at one point considered for the role, but wanted no part of it because he was thinking "Adam West camp"... Once he found out what Burton was doing with it, he kinda regretted not taking the role...

And Mr. Parker: Absoulutely! I forgot that guy existed, but once I googled the name and saw a picture of him, it came back to me... He would have been a great choice for Robin... But if I had to choose between the two, I'd still go with Rider...

As an update in my casting, I remembered that Napier had to be old enough to have killed the Waynes in his early 20s... So I have to scrap Dafoe...

As a replacement, I'd either keep Nicholson or go with Robert DeNiro... I think DeNiro would have been able to play the cocky gangster Jack Napier, while playing the psychotic, homicidal, yet still cocky and self worshipping Joker...

DeNiro in all his glory
http://www.celebritiesfans.com/Pic/robertdeniro.jpg

Whoa, I just noticed I casted 2 of the 3 Goodfellas stars... But I still don't think Liotta as Harvey Dent...

So now that I have a cast, I might as well get to making new plot synopsis's for Returns, Forever, and B&R... And make a new Triumphant... Maybe I'll post them in this thread soon... Got some time on my hands...

Billy Dee Williams is my dream cast for Harvey Dent...and for Batman. Imagine Batman defeating the Joker and then having a Colt 45. Genius.

I wish Billy Dee had gotten to play Two Face too

Billy Dee was all wrong for Dent.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Billy Dee was all wrong for Dent.
I didn't think so. Why was he?

Because he should have played Batman.

From the 1st moment I saw Sophie Ellis Bextor I thought she was born to play Selina Kyle.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2915/sophieul6.png
Shot at 2007-08-11

And Mr. Parker: Absoulutely! I forgot that guy existed, but once I googled the name and saw a picture of him, it came back to me... He would have been a great choice for Robin... But if I had to choose between the two, I'd still go with Rider...

err Rider,who is that? Yeah if Weinger had been cats for that role,I would have absolutely have loved Batman Forever.just like christopher reeve brought the character of clark kent/superman to life and JK SIMMONS did wit J Jonah jameson in spiderman as well.Weinger would have brought the character of Robin to life from the comicbook pages as well.There was not a better choice out there better than him.another actor I thought of who would have been better than o'donnel any day of the year is Fred savage.He was the right age as well and could have brought something to the table also I think.ANYBODY other than o'donnel would have been a huge improvement.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
And Mr. Parker: Absoulutely! I forgot that guy existed, but once I googled the name and saw a picture of him, it came back to me... He would have been a great choice for Robin... But if I had to choose between the two, I'd still go with Rider...

err Rider,who is that? Yeah if Weinger had been cats for that role,I would have absolutely have loved Batman Forever.just like christopher reeve brought the character of clark kent/superman to life and JK SIMMONS did wit J Jonah jameson in spiderman as well.Weinger would have brought the character of Robin to life from the comicbook pages as well.There was not a better choice out there better than him.another actor I thought of who would have been better than o'donnel any day of the year is Fred savage.He was the right age as well and could have brought something to the table also I think.ANYBODY other than o'donnel would have been a huge improvement.

Rider Strong is that guy from Boy Meets World who played Shawn Hunter, the guy who's co-star for the show was Ben Savage (who, ironically, is Fred Savage's younger brother)... He was also in Cabin Fever not too long ago... He'll be in Cabin Fever 2 as well... I just think he would have been able to play the Dick Grayson who wants to be Bruce's aide, but Bruce refuses. He does everything to convince Bruce that he needs him, but Bruce still refuses, knowing it's against the law to put a minor in danger. He goes out and tries to fight a gang, but he fails badly... Something happens to Bruce that makes him realize how mortal he is, and that Gotham will always need Batman, so in the end, Grayson ends up being accepted, if only for Bruce to have an heir...

I don't know if Weinger would have been cats, but if he had been cast, I think he would have done pretty well... Again, like you said, anyone would've been better than O' Donnell...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Rider Strong is that guy from Boy Meets World who played Shawn Hunter, the guy who's co-star for the show was Ben Savage (who, ironically, is Fred Savage's younger brother)... He was also in Cabin Fever not too long ago... He'll be in Cabin Fever 2 as well... I just think he would have been able to play the Dick Grayson who wants to be Bruce's aide, but Bruce refuses. He does everything to convince Bruce that he needs him, but Bruce still refuses, knowing it's against the law to put a minor in danger. He goes out and tries to fight a gang, but he fails badly... Something happens to Bruce that makes him realize how mortal he is, and that Gotham will always need Batman, so in the end, Grayson ends up being accepted, if only for Bruce to have an heir...

I don't know if Weinger would have been cats, but if he had been cast, I think he would have done pretty well... Again, like you said, anyone would've been better than O' Donnell...

I always thought o'donnel as robin was somthing YOU never had a problem with in that movie.that you liked that casting choice? Rider strong as robin? well if you dye his hair black I can see that. ben savage? was he the guy that played the main character in that show cory? I bet Schumacher only cast o'donel cause he thought he was cute. thats tthe way a lot of these directors are.Ive see it all the time in hollywood,that Ilearn later that a certain male actor got cast because that director was gay and only cast him because he thought he was cute.because o'donnel sure as hell has no acting ability and like I said,was way too old to be adopted.I mean I dont see how schumacher could possibly have not been aware of him.again I think he would have brought robin straight from the comicbooks to life and people would think of him being robin as in THATS ROBIN! the same way they thought chris reeve as superman or jk simmons as jameson being brought to life straight from the comics.its a shame nobody ever wants to take the time to look up what weinger looks like when I mentioned his name like you did,because i am sure they would all agree if the saw a pic of him,they would all agree with us that HE should have been cast back then.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I always thought o'donnel as robin was somthing YOU never had a problem with in that movie.that you liked that casting choice?

What's that supposed to mean?

I thought I always remember hearing you say that you thought O'donnel was a good choice.That he was good in that role and fit the part is all is what I was asking? I thought you always said that so I was confused when you agreed with me that anybody would have been a better choice for robin other than o'donnel? we NEVER agree on anything about the batman movies remember? other than begins was a good film anyways.

Oh, yeah, I think I remember that... But that was a LONG time ago... I was young and stupid...

Well, I might have a new plot summary for Batman 89 up soon, then I'll start on Batman Returns... (I'm trying to get this thread to the 3rd page )

oh well then if your talking about BOTH movies then its all good because it was only talked about a couple times for just the first movie.you should do it for batman forever as well also and stop after batman forever since most batman fans agree that batman and robin was just to bad that no amount of new casting could have saved THAT batman movie.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh well then if your talking about BOTH movies then its all good because it was only talked about a couple times for just the first movie.you should do it for batman forever as well also and stop after batman forever since most batman fans agree that batman and robin was just to bad that no amount of new casting could have saved THAT batman movie.

Well, I'll definitely do it for Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Forever (if I find the time), but I might give B&R a shot at redeeming itself... My ideas would include...

Make Mr. Freeze tragic and emotionless (without the stupid puns), but also utilize the precrisis diamond thief persona (one of the things B&R could have done well, but ultimately did poorly)... He would use the diamonds to pay for research to cure his wife... However, when Batman and Robin interfere, and Nora dies by accident, Freeze decides to make the people who wronged him feel his pain (again, something B&R could have done right, but failed at)... Namely, freeze Gotham (yet again, something that would have worked out if executed correctly)

Also, Ivy would work with Freeze to "recreate" the world the way she wants, but double-cross him when it's done... (yet again, something that would have worked had it been executed right)

Batman and Robin's partnership would be strained throughout the movie (something that would have worked well, had they not just forgave each other at the end), and after they defeat Freeze and Ivy, Bruce would point out everything Grayson did wrong and what he should have done. Grayson gets pissed, tells Bruce he can't take living in the "Shadow of the Bat" anymore, takes his stuff (but not his costume), and leaves...

Or I could do something completely different...

I assume your still working on new ideas for the movies batdude just havent had time to post them yet right?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I assume your still working on new ideas for the movies batdude just havent had time to post them yet right?

Absolutely! It's just that with school and everything that comes with it (homework, etc.), I haven't had the time to finish some of it... I'll try to finish the first and the first half of the second sometime this week, preferably having it up on Friday...

So stay tuned!

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Absolutely! It's just that with school and everything that comes with it (homework, etc.), I haven't had the time to finish some of it... I'll try to finish the first and the first half of the second sometime this week, preferably having it up on Friday...

So stay tuned!


What courses are you taking?

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
What courses are you taking?

Do you really want to know? I'm only a freshman, so I'm trying to take easy classes, just more of them, to accumulate credits...

Spanish
College Prep English (I tried Honors once and failed miserably, so)
College Prep Earth Science
Geometry
P.E. (yeah, but only one more year of it! Wooo!)
Honors World History (only Honors class)
Art 1

But anyway... Yeah, I'll try to get it up on Friday...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Do you really want to know? I'm only a freshman, so I'm trying to take easy classes, just more of them, to accumulate credits...

Spanish
College Prep English (I tried Honors once and failed miserably, so)
College Prep Earth Science
Geometry
P.E. (yeah, but only one more year of it! Wooo!)
Honors World History (only Honors class)
Art 1

But anyway... Yeah, I'll try to get it up on Friday...


Best wishes in school. I took those classes once a long ago.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Best wishes in school. I took those classes once a long ago.

Thanks!

Anyhow, I'll definitely have the first up this week... Love that there are some people interested in my ideas... (And that this thread may see a 3rd page )

Well folks... The day we've ALL been waiting for... The day we get to read my first plot overview... Batman...

WARNING: EXTREMELY LONG POST! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Approaching its 200th anniversary, Gotham City's leaders fear that the high level of criminal activity will deter citizens from attending the celebrations. Gotham's mayor William Borg (Lee Wallace) orders newly elected District Attorney Harvey Dent (Val Kilmer) to make the city safe again, in hopes of revitalizing local business. During a post election speech at a press conference, Dent, targets Mafia boss Carl Grissom (Jack Palance), who controls much of the criminal activity within Gotham and has paid off a significant segment of the police force.

Meanwhile, a mysterious vigilante who witnesses claim to be calling himself "Batman" has attracted the attention of both the police and the local media by taking down a couple of muggers that night. Newspaper reporter Alexander Knox (Robert Wuhl) tries to investigate, but his questions are deflected by Lt. Eckhardt (William Hootkins), a skeptical cop on Grissom's payroll. After stonewalling Knox, Eckhardt goes to pick up a payment from Grissom's second in command Jack Napier (Robert DeNiro). Napier tells Eckhardt that Dent is moving in on some of Grissom's operations. Eckhardt replies by saying that he takes care of that kind of problem and that he takes orders from Grissom, not loose cannon nutjobs. Napier, so proud of himself and obviously having a inflated sense of importance, tells Eckhardt he should start thinking about the future of the business. Eckhardt laughs and tells Napier that he has no future, once he has lost his usefulness, he's gone. Napier, enraged, shoves Eckhardt. Eckhardt pulls out a pistol, but almost immediately, Bob (Tracey Walter), Napier's most trusted bodyguard, pulls out a gun of his own and aims at Eckhardt. Napier, knowing Eckhardt can't touch him, begins to laugh as he leaves, telling Eckhardt that he better be sure.

When Knox arrives at work the next day, he is lightheartedly mocked by his peers for continuing his "exclusive" on the Batman. He laughs and makes his way to his desk. He sees an attractive woman sitting at his desk reading a newspaper. He instantly comes up with some cheesy pick-up line. She acknowledges him and introduces herself as Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger). He remembers her from her photos in Vogue, Cosmo, and Time during it's story on Corto Maltese. She confirms this and tells him she came to take pictures of Gotham's wildlife. Knox asks what she's looking for. She replies with the simple word "bats". He asks who sent her, and she says that she read his article and it interested her. She says that with her photos and his words, they'll get a Pulitzer Prize for sure. He agrees to work with her, telling her that he's been trying to get Commissioner Gordon (Paul Newman) on the phone but he's been avoiding him. Vicki tells him that he'll be at Bruce Wayne's (Alec Baldwin) charity ball. He is overcome with joy at the news, but then realizes he wasn't invited. Just then, Vicki pulls out two invitations from her purse. He smiles and the two walk out together.

Meanwhile, in Carl Grissom's penthouse, he reads a headline from the newspaper about Harvey Dent's crusade against him. He then makes a note about Axis Chemicals and the files it contains. These files hold documentation about Grissom's activities. If Dent got a hold of these, Grissom would be looking at major jail time. He asks his lieutenants for some advice. Jack Napier gives him very obivous advice (break in, trash the office, take the files, and blame it on industrial espionage) and treats it like divine revelation. Grissom agrees, telling him that he should handle the operation personally. Grissom then tells all his lieutenants thank you and that they can leave. Jack stays behind, asking Grissom if someone else can handle it, because he doesn't like the atmosphere of the place. Grissom tells Jack that it's an important job and he needs someone he can trust to carry it out. He needs his "Number One Guy". Jack reluctantly agrees and leaves.

Bruce Wayne's charity ball is a big success. All of Gotham's elite have turned out for the event. Commissioner Gordon, Mayor Borg, Harvey Dent, etc. Also having shown up is Alexander Knox and Vicki Vale, both looking for Commissioner Gordon. Vicki Vale, curious as to who Bruce Wayne really is, goes up to someone and asks where he is. The man, who is actually Bruce Wayne, is caught off guard and is unknowing of her intentions. He tells her he's not sure, and she moves on. Intrigued, Bruce watches her. Knox, "interviewing" a lovely bartender, notices Gordon being informed by an officer. He motions for Vicki to listen in, but she cannot see him. The officer tells Gordon that the station got a tip that Jack Napier was cleaning out Axis Chemicals. Gordon, infuriated, demands to know why he wasn't informed sooner. The officer tells Gordon that Lt. Eckhardt took the job. The two quickly and quietly leave out the door. Knox gets Vicki and they follow. Bruce looks on, his eyes transfixed on Vicki. The two get lost and find their way into the Wayne armory, filled with weapons and armor Bruce collected during his training abroad. Knox can't help but joke around at the absurdity of one of the statues, going so far as to call it "King of the Wicker People". He and Vicki then point out an elaborate sword on the wall, not knowing where it could have come from. Suddenly, a voice tells them it's from Japan. They turn around and see a man in his early thirties (it's obviously Bruce, but they don't know it yet). Knox asks how he knows, and he says that's where he got it from. Knox then asks who the man is, and he tells them he's Bruce Wayne. Knox shakes his hand and introduces himself. Bruce then turns to Vicki, who shakes his hand and introduces herself. She asks if Bruce is sure who he is, and Bruce smiles and nods, blushing a little. Vicki and Bruce talk, obviously feeling some sort of connection, almost to the point they forget about Knox. Alfred comes in and tells Bruce that Commissioner Gordon had to leave and that it was very unexpected. Getting what Alfred is saying, he bids good evening to Vicki and Knox and leaves out a door on the opposite side of the room.

Grissom, on discovering that his mistress Alicia Hunt (Jerry Hall) is involved with Napier, sets him up to be killed by Eckhardt in the raid on Axis Chemicals. When Jack's crew gets to the files, they're already gone. Knowing that they'd been set up, Jack and his crew begin to leave, but Eckhardt's men spot them and start shooting at them. There is a large shootout between the two, and in the confusion, Jack is able to make his way up a catwalk. The plot is foiled by the arrival of Commissioner Gordon, who relieves Eckhardt of command and makes it known that he wants Napier arrested and taken alive (in hopes that he'll testify against Grissom in a plea deal). Also, the Batman arrives to check the disturbance there. After defeating the gangsters, Batman catches up to Napier. He kicks Napier's gun away and grabs him. But Bob already has Gordon at gunpoint and claims he'll off him if Batman doesn't let Jack go. Batman lets go of Jack, but once he grabs his gun and turns back around, the Batman is gone. Confused, Jack looks around, trying to find him. Bob urges Jack to get out, but Jack is truly freaked out, not knowing where the Batman is. Then, Jack spots Eckhardt, who, gun in hand, was obviously trying to kill him. As revenge, Jack yells at Eckhardt that he should've thought about the future, and then promptly and without remorse, shoots and kills him. Then, out the corner of his eye, Jack spots Batman, he quickly turns around and fires his gun, but misses. Then, Batman jumps from the shadows and attacks him, and he staggers. He falls over the railing, but Batman grabs his hand to keep him from falling. However, Jack's hand slips and he falls in a vat of unknown chemicals, and presumably died. Gordon, infuriated that they almost had Napier, orders his officers to apprehend Batman. However, he uses a grapple gun to escape.

The next day, news about Napier's demise hits newspapers all around Gotham. Knox and Vicki suspect it was the Batman. But everytime Knox began to question the Commissioner, he always hung up. Knox suggests that he and Vicki go and pick up some leads, but Vicki kindly declines, telling him that she had gotten a call from Bruce Wayne earlier that day, and that they would be having a nice dinner together.

To be continued...

Part 2...

Meanwhile, in an illegal clinic, Jack Napier, thought to be dead, is bandaged up. The surgeon begins to unravel the bandaging around Napier's head. Wanting to know if the procedure was a success, Napier quickly rips the bandaging off, revealing his face to the surgeon, who is horrified at the sight. Jack asks for a mirror, when the surgeon is too slow, he yells and demands one. The surgeon gives him a mirror, and he looks at his reflection. He moans for a moment, realizing that his "looks" are gone, and that he was never important to anyone. Suddenly, he begins to laugh, and laugh and laugh and laugh. He has lost his sanity. The surgeon tries to explain that his tools are not the best to use, but Jack just keeps laughing. Soon, he accidentally smashes the lightbulb (effectively concealing his face from the audience), and he leaves.

Later, at Wayne Manor, Bruce and Vicki sit in a large dining room, having a very formal dinner. Both find it very hard to communicate in the room, and both start to lose interest. Realizing that the date is going no where fast, Bruce attempts to use his playboy charm by making a "Clark Kent"-esque comment about never being in the room before tonight. Vicki giggles, and Bruce, realizing that he has her interest again, asks if she'd like to eat in the kitchen, in a more informal environment. She gladly accepts, and the two go into the kitchen with their food to have a nice evening in the company of Alfred. Alfred tells tales about Bruce's younger days, like when he and Bruce went horseback riding. At the end of his story, Alfred attends to the dishes, while Bruce pours himself and Vicki some more wine, keeping their night alive. When they are finished drinking, Vicki is drunk and unable to drive. She whispers something into Bruce's ear, and the two go upstairs...

The next morning, Carl Grissom gets out of the shower, and is ready for a meeting with the other Mafia bosses around the Gotham area. He is looking out the window, when the door behind him opens. He turns around, expecting to see Alicia, but instead he sees a man in a trenchcoat and hat shrouded in darkness. Grissom demands to know who he is, and the man asks Grissom if he's already been forgotten, in a voice easily recognized as Jack Napier's. Grissom, trying to act like he had no part of the hit contract, tells him that he's so thankful that he's alive. Jack tells him to cut the crap and that he knows he set him up because he was sneaking around with Alicia. Grissom tries to grab a gun, but Jack instantly pulls out a magnum and tells him that gambling is dangerous (Grissom's gambling with his life). Grissom goes into "pissed off" mode, and starts yelling at Jack, telling him that his life is meaningless. Jack tells Grissom that he's been dead before, and he didn't mind it, and that maybe Grissom should try it. Panicking, Girssom asks Jack if they can cut a deal, whether it be money, turf, Alicia, whatever Jack wants. Napier tells Grissom that Jack died in Axis Chemicals, and that he should call him by his proper name (he walks out of the shadows), Joker. At last, we see his face, pale white skin, red lips paired with a sick grin, and emerald green hair. Grissom freezes in terror, and "Joker" shoots Grissom in the chest. Grissom falls backward into his chair, but Joker doesn't stop there. He continues to shoot Grissom through the chest, laughing manically throughout the entire time. When his gun runs out of bullets, he drops it, calms himself, walks over to the dead Grissom, pats him on the shoulder, and tells the corpse that he's glad they had the chance to talk. He laughs as he walks off the screen.

That same morning, after having made love with Vicki, Bruce wakes up, invigorated and exercises. While he is exercising, Vicki wakes up to see him upside down, but she soon falls asleep again. When she woke up again, she found Bruce asleep on the couch. She woke him up and asked him if they could go out later. Bruce is about to reply when he suddenly freezes, then tells her that he can't and that he has a business meeting. She understands and proceeds to leave as he gets up.

In the afternoon, Joker, disguised as his former self, Jack Napier, is residing over a Mafia Commission meeting. He tells the other bosses that Grissom has gone away for a while, and until he "resurfaces", he will take authority over Grissom's operations, and ultimately, the entire Gotham Mafia. He also makes a suggestion that they should put all their effort in creating as much chaos and destruction as possible. One of the mafioso, Ricorso (John Dair), asks why Grissom didn't tell them himself. Another, Rotelli (Edwin Craig), agrees, also making note of the "stupid grin" Jack is displaying proudly. Jack responds by saying that life has been good to him. Rotelli, looking disgusted, asks what were to happen if the Commission didn't approve. Jack stands up, walks over to Rotelli, and tells him that if he doesn't want to do business, all he has to do is shake his hand, and that'll be that. Rotelli, looking perplexed, extends his hand. Jack grabs it, and his hand starts to smoke. 40,000 volts surge through Rotelli's body as Jack laughs wildly. When the smoke clears, Rotelli is nothing but a charred skeleton, and Jack flips his hand, revealing a joy buzzer. Just then, a dozen thugs armed with automatic weapons rush into the room, pointing their weapons at the mafioso. Jack makes a joke about the state of illegal weapons in the country, and starts laughing hysterically. Ricorso, with a look of legitimate fear in his eyes, tells him he's crazy. Jack just shakes his head laughing madly, then in an instant, he yells at them to get out. The thugs escort the mafioso out of the room, until only Joker, Bob, and Rotelli's corpse are left. Joker tells Bob to follow a certain Alexander Knox to find out what he knows about the vigilante Batman, and to bring his camera. Before Bob leaves, Joker mocks Grissom by telling Bob that it's an important job and he needs someone he can trust to carry it out. He needs his "Number One Guy". Bob smirks and leaves the room. Joker, as he did with Grissom, begins to make conversation with the corpse of Rotelli. He says that the mafioso aren't bad people, and that he should maybe be a little linient with them. He looks at the corpse as if it's replying, then Joker instantly changes his answer. He asks if he should eliminate him now, and looks at the corpse again. He nods, saying Rotelli has always been a vicious bastard, and that he's glad he's dead. He then starts laughing as he walks off screen.

To be continued...

Part 3...

That evening, around 5 pm, Bruce Wayne goes into the city, carrying a package. He walks into an alley and opens the package, revealing two red roses. He kneels down on the cold concrete and places the roses on the ground. He gets up and stands in the alley for a few minutes, then turns around and leaves. He begins to walk towards the limo, he notices a large commotion at City Hall. Ricorso, flanked by a lawyer and two bodyguards. Reporters and photographers are everywhere, including Knox and Vicki. Bruce begins to walk over to see what is going on. A reporter asks if the rumors about "Grissom handing over his businesses to him" are true. Ricorso confirms these rumors as true, stating that they have signatures to prove it. Bruce watches when something else catches his eye, a street mime. Soon, a couple others show up, and it is then that Bruce realizes something is about to happen, however, he can't change into his costume while there are so many people around. Unknown to everyone, Bob is at the cornor, taking pictures of Knox, Ricorso, the crowd, etc. The conference is just about over when all of a sudden, someone comments that the signatures are truly legitimate, and that Grissom signed them with his blood. Everyone turns around to see a white-faced man with red lips, grinning like a madman (Joker). He pulls out a quill, and he tells the crowd that Grissom did the signature signing with that exact pen. He then throws it at Ricorso, and it gets jammed into his throat, killing him. Joker takes a bow and runs, as his goons (the mimes) proceed to shoot the bodyguards with tommy guns. The crowd goes into a panic, while Bruce just walks towards the laughing madman, who gets into a getaway car and drives off, laughing all the way. Vicki, noticing he's there, runs after him, grabbing his shoulder so he doesn't continue to follow him.

On the six o' clock news, a reporter talks about the grim events that took place at city hall. 4 gangsters dead at the scene, but 12 more were murdered around the city. The reporter claims that it's a "mob take over" that the mysterious Batman may play a part in. At that moment, someone fires a gun at the television screen. The Joker, with an angry expression, complains about Batman getting all the airtime, though it was HIS deed. he decides to play "one-up" with Batman, and Joker rushes into Axis Chemicals, yelling at his workers to finish the first batch and ship them. He then returns to his "office", and picks up a file laying on his desk. It reads "EXPERIMENTAL NERVE GAS: DISCONTINUED 1977". Joker grins as he continues to read the file.

Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne, secretly the Batman, is reading a file of his own. The file is the criminal record of one Jack Napier. He is very suspisicous that Jack Napier and the Joker are one and the same. He reads that Jack was a gifted artist and was an exceptional chemist. He decides to do some detective work. He goes to the Police Headquarters and stealthily takes the quill that killed Ricorso. He then leaves as quietly and unseen as he came. He runs tests on the quill in his underground lair, the Batcave, looking for any DNA match. None. Bruce is puzzled that the only DNA on it is Ricorso's. How could this be?

The next day, on the afternoon news, the anchorwoman reports two mysterious deaths from "violent allergic reactions". While the anchorman is reporting about the 200th anniversary parade, he gets breaking news about two more deaths with identical results. As he is reporting, suddenly, the anchorwoman starts to laugh, little by little, it becomes uncontrollable, and she falls backward. The news crew call the paramedics, but it's too late, she loses her pulse, and her face is transfixed into a chemically induced grin. Suddenly, the airwaves are taken over by the Joker. He airs a "commerical" for his new "product", Smilex, and its proven system of "getting grins, a-gain, and a-gain!" The most shocking thing he says, however, is "chances are, you've bought them already!" The city goes into mass panic, avoiding the supermarkets. Its hysteria on the streets, people paranoid that they'll be the next Smilex victim.

Bruce, learning about this new threat, decides to go shopping. He buys products that people use daily and mixes them in the Batcave. What he discovers is the way to stop Joker's plot, but he can't get it out into the public. He needs someone to do that for him. But who?

Later on that day, Bob gives Joker the photos from the hit. Joker comments on how stupid Knox looks, but then becomes curious to who a certain woman is in one of the photos. Bob tells him that it's Vicki Vale, and that she's dating Bruce Wayne. Joker could care less, as long as he get what he wants, Vicki.

Even later in the day, Alfred notifies Bruce that Vicki will be late for their dinner at the museum that night. Bruce responds by saying that they didn't have a dinner date tonight. Suspicious, Bruce decides to check on things.

Vicki gets to the museum a little late, but when she arrives at the table, no one is there. She waits for a while, until she gets a package. She opens it, and it's a gas mask with a note that says "Put this on now!" As she reads, green gas begins to fill the room. Vicki notices this and instantly puts on the mask. Everyone there is knocked out except Vicki. Suddenly, the doors open and several thugs walk in with several color paints. Behind them, is the Joker, disguised as his former self, Jack Napier. He and his thugs proceed to splatter paint on all the paintings and sculptures, vandalizing everything. When they are finished, Joker goes up to Vicki and tells her she can take the gas mask off. Joker tries to impress Vicki, showing her his art work (pictures of Smilex victims), but she moves backward, he's obivously freaking her out. He asks for them to make up, showing her his "flower", but he attempts to shoot acid at her, and she moves out of the way before he can. She grabs whatever is closest, a picther of water, and flings it at Joker. The water hits his face, and his flesh colored make up comes off. He covers his face until the right moment, when Vicki was close enough. He reveals his face, showing that he is the Joker. He starts to laugh manically, but suddenly, the skylight shatters, and the Joker finds himself face-to-face with the Batman! He grabs Vicki and swings through the door with her. Joker can only look in amazement as the two escape into the street. Joker's goons go running after them. As they run, Batman tells Vicki to get in his car. She asks which car, but Vicki suddenly feels quite stupid. Because while there are many cars parked along the street, there is only one Batmobile. The sleek, black Batmobile opens and the two jump in and the car zooms away. Joker's goons attempt to chase them in cars of there own, but the Batmobile is too fast for them. However, they hit a road block that they cannot get around. They get out of the car and run into an alley, with Batman turning on the Batmobile's protective shields to prevent damage and tampering. While they did have a head start, the Joker's goons catch up in their cars. Pedestrians scatter to escape as Joker's goons shoot wildly at the Batman. Meanwhile, the cops arrive, trying to apprehend both the Joker's goons and the Batman. Commissioner Gordan gets out of a police van to see Batman move a civilian, a little girl, out of harms way. This impacts Gordan and changes his mind on Batman. He calls off the pursuit of Batman. Afterwards, Batman sees the Joker's goons gaining on them again, despite the cops involvement. He looks up, and sees a catwalk. He asks Vicki how much she weighs. She replies by telling him about 108 lbs. He's doing some quick mental calculations when the car reappears, blocking their path of escape. Batman pulls out a grapple gun from his utility belt and shoots the rope up, connecting with the catwalk above, and grabs Vicki by the waist. The Joker's goons all get out of the car, as Batman and Vicki zip upward on the grapple gun. Bullets fly but they all miss. However, they stop in mid-air. Her additional weight is too much for the grapple gun. He takes it, attaches it to Vicki's belt, and tell her not to let go of it. He drops down while she rockets upward to the catwalk, screaming the entire way up. Batman hits the ground with a thud. The goons all circle him and shoot him in the chest, point blank at the bat insignia. They see no blood, however, when they check his outfit, they discover it's body armored. They try to take off his mask, but an accidental distraction by Vicki (her camera flash), prevents them from doing so. They try to shoot her, but she ducks. Then, suddenly, Batman springs up and attacks the men. He uses several martial arts forms that leak out of his fighting style: Muay Thai, Karate, Shaolin Kung Fu, etc. All in one fluid motion, he disposes of the goons. However, one goon, Bob, escapes. Through this display of skill, Vicki had been poised on the catwalk with her camera. She hides the roll of film in her blouse and looks for an exit.

To be continued...

Part 4...

Batman calls the Batmobile. The shields come off and the sleek black beast of a car zooms towards him. Vicki comes down a ladder on the opposite side of the catwalk and starts walking, looking over her shoulder every few seconds. Soon, she walks straight into the Batman. He takes her back to the Batmobile. Batman drives down a deserted stretch of road lined by ancient tall pines. Vicki tries to see out. Batman pushes a button and changes the polarization of the glass. She can't see out. He's stoic. Vicki studies Batman's face. He flicks a switch on which turns on lights behind his head which dazzle Vicki, making it impossible for her to see him. Soon, Batman drives straight at a wall, Vicki screams, but they pass right through the wall, as it was just an illusion. They are now in the Batcave. Batman climbs out of the car. He keeps his distance from Vicki. She steps from the Batmobile a little shaky. She steps away from the Batmobile, but when Batman turns the lights on, she notices she was a step away from falling into a black pit. Suddenly, she hears a screeching, and she looks up, seeing a flock of bats. She screams, but Batman tells her to keep quiet. She asks him what he wants, and Batman tells her that the police have it all wrong. They are looking for one product, but the Joker's tainted hundreds of products. A combination of three products is deadly and untraceable. He gives her notes on it. She accepts them, but when she asks to go home, he uses knock out gas to knock her out, and takes the roll of film from her blouse.

When Vicki wakes up, she's in her apartment; without the roll of film. The phone rings; it's Knox. He asks if she's alright. She says yeah, and asks if he can make the evening edition if she gives him a story now. He says just barely. She says she'll be there. That night, the headline "BATMAN CRACKS JOKER'S POISON CODE" hits newstands. The evening news has the story as their breaking news. However, no one knows what to make of Batman: Friend or Foe? When news of this hits the Joker's ears, he becomes furious. He smashes the radio he hears it from with a crowbar to relieve his anger.

At Vicki's apartment, there is a knock at the door. Vicki opens it and Bruce is standing there smiling, a flower in his hand, a shoulder bag on his shoulder, Vicki is very surprised. She recovers. Still cool. Bruce gives her the flower, but she is really angry at him. He never returns her phone calls, he lied to her about the business meeting, and she saw him almost die at City Hall. He tries to explain his dual life to her, but before he can tell her the truth, the doorbell rings. Vicki goes to open it, and the Joker and his goons bust in. Staying concealed, Bruce picks up a metal cookie sheet and puts it under his suit. Joker tells her that he was really upset that she left him for that "sideshow phony". But when he sees Bruce he instantly moves toward him. He points his gun at him and says "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" A memory clicks in Bruce's mind. Joker then shoots him in the chest. Joker leaves a package on the table and leaves laughing. Vicki turns around to tend to Bruce's body, but he is no longer there. She sees the metal cookie sheet with a bullet through it. She opens the package Joker left her and a hand springs out with dead flowers. She faints. Bruce returns to the Manor, still thinking about that phrase Joker said, "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" He suddenly remembers back to his parents murder.

A couple and their son are walking home from a movie. They turn down an alley. The three continue walking until suddenly a man walks from the shadows, he tries to steal the wife's necklace. The husband attempts to defy him, but the man shoots him dead. The wife screams, and so she is murdered as well. Soon, the man points the gun at the child, and he reveals his face, a young man no older than 20, an obvious gangster. He reloads his gun as he asks, "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" Police sirens sound, and the man leaves. Suddenly, Bruce recovers from his vision. He realizes that Joker, or who he once was, had murdered his parents. He instantly loses his sense and becomes revenge driven. He goes into the Batcave to prepare, as he wants Joker's blood, no matter what the cost. Out of no where, the Joker takes over the airwaves again, this time disguised as Jack Napier, advertising the 200th anniversary parade, where he'll dump 5 million in cash on the city. He encourages Batman to be there. This proves Bruce's hunch that Joker was once Jack Napier. Alfred, at Bruce's side, asks if he'll ever tell Vicki the truth. Bruce tells him that he can never jepordize her. The Joker is still out there, and he's got to go to work. Bruce suits up. He gets to Axis Chemicals, and blows up the tanks, tainting the chemicals, making them harmless. Then he goes to find Joker. No one will stand in his way.

That night, purple and green parade floats and larger than life cartoon balloons can be seen in the streets. People flood the streets, hoping to get some free money. Then, the Joker can be seen dancing like a lunatic atop the biggest, most extravagant float. He begins throwing money from a sack into the crowd. The crowd goes crazy trying to get at the money. Knox and Vicki are at the scene, trying to get a good photo of Joker. Vicki was taking photos of the balloons when she noticed Smilex tanks in the balloons. The floats stop, and Joker tells everyone that they fell for his joke. They look at the money, and it's counterfeit! The dollars all have Joker faces! Then, Joker and his goons put on gas masks, and they start filling the balloons with Smilex. Vicki tells Knox that that Joker's gonna kill everyone, and Knox tells her to go in the car. Knox opens his trunk and finds a doctor's mask and a baseball bat. He covers his face and attempts to fight Joker's goons. However, they all climb up ropes. Suddenly, out of the clouds, comes Batman's latest weapon, the Batwing. It gets there just in time, cutting the ropes of the balloons, sending them floating into space, with a minimum of casualties.

To be continued (one last time, I promise)

Part 5... (Final Part)

Joker gets mad at Batman for "stealing his balloons" and asks "why nobody told him that Batman had one of those things." Joker asks Bob for a gun, and in a fit of rage, he shoots Bob. He appoints a new "Number One Guy", some random thug, and tells his goons to clear the area. The people who didn't die escape, except Vicki and Knox, however, Knox gets knocked out when Vicki accidentally runs into him with the car and sends him flying into a garbage can. She gets out to see if he's ok. She then gets out her camera and starts taking pictures. Batman flies the Batwing into the direction of the Joker, and along the way, the goons attempt to stop him. However, he shoots down power lines to immobilize them. He then gets out the big guns for Joker. Missiles, machine guns, etc. He shoots them all at Joker, but miraculously, they all miss. Joker, laughing at his good fortune, takes out a custom made, SUPER HUGE pistol, and shoots the Batwing, hitting a vital piece of the plane, sending it crashing down, much to the Joker delight. Vicki sees this and screams, Joker notices her with her camera, and goes towards her. With Batman presumed dead, there was no one to stop Joker from taking Vicki, destroying her camera, and going into the cathedral, with her struggling the entire way. When they get into the cathedral, the Batman emerges from the rubble, beaten and battered, and slowly starts to follow them. He follows them to the top floor, where three goons are waiting for him. The first goon is a kick boxing specialist. He and Batman have an exchange, but even though he's tired and battered, his fighting skills are superior. The second guy tries to take Batman by suprise, but when he jumps at him, he crashes through the floor. The third goon is a big, muscular guy who simply overpowers the exhausted Batman. However, Batman tricks the goon with a smoke pellet, and low blows him, which knocks him out from the power of the blow.

Meanwhile, Joker decides to dance with Vicki, however, their waltz is interrupted when Batman asks Joker the now famous question, "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" Joker looks and realizes he's in a world of hurt. Batman punchs him, and proceeds to slap him around a bit before Joker tells him that it's Batman's fault he exists. Batman replies by telling him that he knows, and that he regrets it, but HE made Batman first. Confused, Joker asks what he's talking about. Batman says that Batman may have made the Joker, but the Joker made Batman first. Joker starts backing up, saying that he was just a kid when he made him, ANYTHING to escape him. But Batman continues forward, slapping him around before finishing with a nasty uppercut. He falls over the ledge, and apparently dies. Batman and Vicki look over the ledge, but Joker grabs them and throws them over the ledge, them holding on for dear life. Joker starts prancing around on the ledge, trying to kick their hands off and have them plummet to their death. Joker's goons in a helicopter see him and attempt to pick him up, but Batman shoots a grapple gun at his leg and ties it to a gargoyle, hoping to keep him from escaping, so he can finish the business they started 23 years ago in an alley. However, the Joker is a madman, and Batman underestimated just how insane he was. He tried to board the helicopter anyway, and couldn't handle the weight of the gargoyle, falling off the ladder, plummeting to his death in front of the cops below. Then, Batman and Vicki climb back over the ledge, and Vicki imbraces her hero. Later, Batman goes to the street, seeing the corpse of his arch rival, the Joker. He calls for Gordon from the shadows, who asks him if he the panic is over. Batman nods, saying he has a gift for him at Police Headquarters.

At a press conference, Gordan, Dent, and the Mayor tell the citizens that Joker's crime spree is over. They've rounded up all of Joker's goons with help from Batman. Dent reads a letter from Batman, that if they ever need him, that all they need to do is call him. Knox makes a smart arse comment about how they do so. Gordan unveils Batman's gift, the Batsignal. Vicki walks down the road, to Bruce's car. Alfred says that Bruce is sorry he can't go to the airport with her to see her off, but he has business. She understands and gets into the car. It drives off. Then we go up the skylight and (to the amazing "Finale" song from the score) see Batman looking up at the new signal, at peace with his past and looking to the future, or so he thinks.

End.

So, how is it? I didn't change much, except I added scenes and explained a little more, so as to try and escape the same old arguments...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Part 5... (Final Part)

Joker gets mad at Batman for "stealing his balloons" and asks "why nobody told him that Batman had one of those things." Joker asks Bob for a gun, and in a fit of rage, he shoots Bob. He appoints a new "Number One Guy", some random thug, and tells his goons to clear the area. The people who didn't die escape, except Vicki and Knox, however, Knox gets knocked out when Vicki accidentally runs into him with the car and sends him flying into a garbage can. She gets out to see if he's ok. She then gets out her camera and starts taking pictures. Batman flies the Batwing into the direction of the Joker, and along the way, the goons attempt to stop him. However, he shoots down power lines to immobilize them. He then gets out the big guns for Joker. Missiles, machine guns, etc. He shoots them all at Joker, but miraculously, they all miss. Joker, laughing at his good fortune, takes out a custom made, SUPER HUGE pistol, and shoots the Batwing, hitting a vital piece of the plane, sending it crashing down, much to the Joker delight. Vicki sees this and screams, Joker notices her with her camera, and goes towards her. With Batman presumed dead, there was no one to stop Joker from taking Vicki, destroying her camera, and going into the cathedral, with her struggling the entire way. When they get into the cathedral, the Batman emerges from the rubble, beaten and battered, and slowly starts to follow them. He follows them to the top floor, where three goons are waiting for him. The first goon is a kick boxing specialist. He and Batman have an exchange, but even though he's tired and battered, his fighting skills are superior. The second guy tries to take Batman by suprise, but when he jumps at him, he crashes through the floor. The third goon is a big, muscular guy who simply overpowers the exhausted Batman. However, Batman tricks the goon with a smoke pellet, and low blows him, which knocks him out from the power of the blow.

Meanwhile, Joker decides to dance with Vicki, however, their waltz is interrupted when Batman asks Joker the now famous question, "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" Joker looks and realizes he's in a world of hurt. Batman punchs him, and proceeds to slap him around a bit before Joker tells him that it's Batman's fault he exists. Batman replies by telling him that he knows, and that he regrets it, but HE made Batman first. Confused, Joker asks what he's talking about. Batman says that Batman may have made the Joker, but the Joker made Batman first. Joker starts backing up, saying that he was just a kid when he made him, ANYTHING to escape him. But Batman continues forward, slapping him around before finishing with a nasty uppercut. He falls over the ledge, and apparently dies. Batman and Vicki look over the ledge, but Joker grabs them and throws them over the ledge, them holding on for dear life. Joker starts prancing around on the ledge, trying to kick their hands off and have them plummet to their death. Joker's goons in a helicopter see him and attempt to pick him up, but Batman shoots a grapple gun at his leg and ties it to a gargoyle, hoping to keep him from escaping, so he can finish the business they started 23 years ago in an alley. However, the Joker is a madman, and Batman underestimated just how insane he was. He tried to board the helicopter anyway, and couldn't handle the weight of the gargoyle, falling off the ladder, plummeting to his death in front of the cops below. Then, Batman and Vicki climb back over the ledge, and Vicki imbraces her hero. Later, Batman goes to the street, seeing the corpse of his arch rival, the Joker. He calls for Gordon from the shadows, who asks him if he the panic is over. Batman nods, saying he has a gift for him at Police Headquarters.

At a press conference, Gordan, Dent, and the Mayor tell the citizens that Joker's crime spree is over. They've rounded up all of Joker's goons with help from Batman. Dent reads a letter from Batman, that if they ever need him, that all they need to do is call him. Knox makes a smart arse comment about how they do so. Gordan unveils Batman's gift, the Batsignal. Vicki walks down the road, to Bruce's car. Alfred says that Bruce is sorry he can't go to the airport with her to see her off, but he has business. She understands and gets into the car. It drives off. Then we go up the skylight and (to the amazing "Finale" song from the score) see Batman looking up at the new signal, at peace with his past and looking to the future, or so he thinks.

End.

So, how is it? I didn't change much, except I added scenes and explained a little more, so as to try and escape the same old arguments...

Its all very good. Have you ever thought of becoming a screenwriter?

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
Its all very good. Have you ever thought of becoming a screenwriter?

Thank you... And no I haven't really thought of it... I might consider it...

Now to tackle Batman Returns, which will have more changed, more added, like even more Batman scenes, since I want him to have more screen time and to progress through the films from...

Batman 1989 - Mysterious Vigilante (The Bat-Man)
Batman Returns - Established Protector (The Batman)
Batman Forever - Mentor (Batman)
Batman & Robin - Boss (Batman)
Batman: Fear - Legend (Batman)

I want his character to evolve through the films, let us learn more each film... I think that's what Burton was doing... In Begins, though it's a great Batman film and great film in general, I think it gave too much info in one movie, which made it boring for some people (like my cousin and sister)

etc. etc. etc. Don't want to give away much, but I can say that I have several things planned for Returns (not much changed, but more than B89) (And I may include Dent in for a Two-Face origin, since I kinda took out a lot of his scenes from the first and just having him there in Forever wouldn't make sense)

*bump*

if anyone wants to give feedback, I'll take it with open arms...

I won't start on the second until I have enough feedback to know what I did wrong/right

I glanced over this a little batdude,didnt read much but from what little I have had time to read,looks pretty good.i will devote more time to it another time to give more feedback to it though.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I glanced over this a little batdude,didnt read much but from what little I have had time to read,looks pretty good.i will devote more time to it another time to give more feedback to it though.

Thanks!

And when you get around to finishing it, PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK... I CAN'T start on the next one unless I know what I can improve on/fix...

Originally posted by Bat Dude


Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy: Julianne Moore (age 38 in 98)
Natural redhead... Beautiful... From what I've seen, good acting ability... Can be a seductress...
http://www.nndb.com/people/670/000023601/julianne-moore-1-sized.jpg


Jonathon Crane/Scarecrow: Johnny Depp (age 38 in 2001)
He's played misunderstood roles before (Edward Scissorhands), and Scarecrow was originally in the comics a professor misunderstood by others, who was gonna use the money he stole to gain acceptance (the Returns Penguin, only not deformed)...
http://www.dvdenlared.com/data/docs/20070524024851/johnny_depp_01.jpg

Harleen Quinzell/Harley Quinn: Courtney Love (age 37 in 2001)
She may not be an actress, but she's blonde, controversial, and looks a lot like Harley Quinn... Give her a good script and she'll do fine... Her character would not be Joker's daughter, but someone who fell in love with the Joker through old newspaper articles and tv reports... She is dedicated to continuing the legacy of her "Mr. J"...
http://www.matgiordano.com/pics/courtney-love-01.jpg (That looks like Harley Quinn a little, doesn't it?)



God no to these three... I mean, GOD, NO!

Julianne Moore just isn't the right person... she's too soft and sweet. I think Alicia Witt is more of the right type of red head to play Ivy, she's got that fiery temptress thing going on, plus she can play a real b*tch when need be.

Johnny Depp, are you f*cking kidding me... how much more wrong could you get in casting a Bats villain... well maybe Heath Ledger as the Joker... yeah, that is worse. I still say Crispin Glover would make the perfect Scarecrow... Depp is just so wrong in so many ways! Same as Cillian Murphy was... but like him I bet Johnny Depp could still pull the role off just with fine acting.

And Courtney Love as Harley?????? Worse casting idea so far that I have ever seen! I mean dear god... there are simply no words! I can't picture what actress would play Harley Quinn in a Batman movie, but it sure as hell isn't Courtney Love!

*gets chill down spine*

It's just so wrong........................

Ok... Since you've given me your reasons, I'll give you mine...

Julianne Moore: She may be a soft person, but she's also an actress, so how can someone "not be able" to play a certain character? I don't understand that concept.... Your an actor/actress, and you get paid to do just that, act... All she needs to do is read a few "Best of" Poison Ivy comics and work a little on her "bitchiness"... I think she'd do fine...

Johnny Depp: Keep in mind how great an actor he is... All he needs to do to play the type of Scarecrow I'm thinking of is channel his dark, lonely, "Ed Scissorhands" side, and make it evil, resentful, etc. (But if you still disagree, can you give me a picture and a paragraph describing who you'd think is better?)

Courtney Love: Ok, you win lol... I still want to include my version of Harley... But someone needs to help me out on that casting...

3RD PAGE!!!!

so anything planned for the weekend batdude? I know you want to get this thread to at LEAST 3 pages so thought I would try and help you out. especially since you posted on my thread.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
so anything planned for the weekend batdude? I know you want to get this thread to at LEAST 3 pages so thought I would try and help you out. especially since you posted on my thread.

Which thread?

Well, I REALLY want someone who's read the full synopsis to give me their opinion on how it was, what they liked, what they didn't like, how it could improve, etc. so that I can start on Batman Returns...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Ok... Since you've given me your reasons, I'll give you mine...

Julianne Moore: She may be a soft person, but she's also an actress, so how can someone "not be able" to play a certain character? I don't understand that concept.... Your an actor/actress, and you get paid to do just that, act... All she needs to do is read a few "Best of" Poison Ivy comics and work a little on her "bitchiness"... I think she'd do fine...

Johnny Depp: Keep in mind how great an actor he is... All he needs to do to play the type of Scarecrow I'm thinking of is channel his dark, lonely, "Ed Scissorhands" side, and make it evil, resentful, etc. (But if you still disagree, can you give me a picture and a paragraph describing who you'd think is better?)

See this is what's wrong with all of you here... I know that they are paid to portray characters, that is what being an actor/actress is all about... but you all need to understand that some people are just wrong for some parts! I mean you wouldn't cast a 52 year old male actor to play a 15 year old school girl would you? And that is why we need better casting directors in the movie business today!

*sigh*

I feel like I'm the only one that gets this........................

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
See this is what's wrong with all of you here... I know that they are paid to portray characters, that is what being an actor/actress is all about... but you all need to understand that some people are just wrong for some parts! I mean you wouldn't cast a 52 year old male actor to play a 15 year old school girl would you? And that is why we need better casting directors in the movie business today!

*sigh*

I feel like I'm the only one that gets this........................

That's a completely different issue... This is about acting, not physical appearance...

For all you know, Julianne Moore could play the greatest Poison Ivy ever... She just needs a good director, a good script, and a little understanding of the character... IMO, that's all you need to portray a character right...

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
See this is what's wrong with all of you here... I know that they are paid to portray characters, that is what being an actor/actress is all about... but you all need to understand that some people are just wrong for some parts! I mean you wouldn't cast a 52 year old male actor to play a 15 year old school girl would you? And that is why we need better casting directors in the movie business today!

*sigh*

I feel like I'm the only one that gets this........................

perfect example being michael keaton being totally wrong for the role of batman

Originally posted by Bat Dude

3RD PAGE!!!!


time to jump up in the air to click your heels together now.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
time to jump up in the air to click your heels together now.

*jumps up and clicks heels together like someone from "Wizard of Oz"*

Someone! ANYONE! Please give feedback on anything and everything! I'm dying from the lack thereof... I seriously NEED feedback to start the next one!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
time to jump up in the air to click your heels together now.

oh,forgot to mention at the same time you need to shout out YAHOO!!!

hey batdude,check your pm box.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
hey batdude,check your pm box.

Hey, I read it... Check your pm box...

And have you finished reading the thing? Cuz while it may not be super uber important to the defeat of dirty politicians, I really need some feedback... Cuz I really want to continue forward in this project, and I can't unless I know what I did wrong...

sorry to say I still havent gotten around to it yet. i pretty much spend most my time in that section I pm'd you about because like i said,those topics are much more important to be talking about.eventually I WILL read it though.just cant say when.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
sorry to say I still havent gotten around to it yet. i pretty much spend most my time in that section I pm'd you about because like i said,those topics are much more important to be talking about.eventually I WILL read it though.just cant say when.

Ok, it's kool... But this is one of the projects I actually want to finish... (Unlike The Bat-Man!!!! But that sucked to begin with)

BUMP

I'm expecting to start on Batman Returns this weekend, and get some more feedback *looks at Mr. Parker*

So I want to keep this thread bumped...

hey batdude,you mentioned you read that thing I posted about carter.I assume then that you have read through all the other previous posts before that then? because I would rather you read through all my previous posts on that thread I have posted first before continuing on reading my new stuff i post.

BUMP

Someone... ANYONE... PLEASE give feedback!!!!

Any thoughts? Sorry for the long post, just wanted my ideas heard...


okay I FINALLY have the chance to comment about your original first post here.As i mentioned before,I love the choice of alex baldwin as batman/bruce wayne.countless numbers of batman fans would agree with you on that as well because I have seen over the years many countless people such as myself complain about the casting choice of keaton also and that Baldwin would have been a MUCH better choice.HE would have been perfect!!! back then.

Kim Basinger? agreed,why mess with a good thing,she was the best part about the first film and the ONLY thing that made it worth sitting through.

I agree as well that Defoe would have been an even better joker than nicholson was.he looked the part and everything.plus like you said,he has that grin.Matter of fact,in the first spiderman movie,I had the impression that he had copied nicholsons performance of the joker as green goblin.

I agree with keeping micheele pjieffer as catwoman as well.like you said,dont mess with a good thing.

I really like all your other choices as well for the other parts also,they would be great in those roles.the ONLY one i disagree with is Nicole kidman as chase she was insipid and anoyying in that movie,so come up with someone better than her.and yeah I can see shawn hunter as robin with his hair dyed black of course.as we both agreed earlier though,Scott weinger would have really brought the character of robin to life though from the comicbooks.

as far as the last paragraph goes,I say use what Nolan did in batman begins.get rid of the moronic idea of the joker killing batmans parents that that idiot tim burton used and have bruce walk into the court to get ready to kill jack napier only to have someone else do it for him and he later confesses to kim basinger that he was going to kill him and bruce while fighting crime,sees all the death in gothem city of gangsters murdered by other gansters and he sees for himself how killing people is just plain wrong and when he goes to try and get the joker he reminds himself of that and instead of sending the batmobile in there to drop a bomb in front of all his goons,he sends it in there and the batmobile releases a smoke bomb throughout the whole building which is a knockout gas and causes the criminals to fall asleep leaving them there for the police to capture later on.that way batman doesnt kill people in cowardly ways and the fanboys are pleased with the movie.well thats enough for now.

keep the way it ended with him on the ledge of the building looking at the bat signal but with the joker of course in arkham asluym and like you said,the penguin doesnt die.and FINALLY,whatever you do,DO NOT ALLOW TIM BURTON NEAR A BATMAN MOVIE.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
BUMP

Someone... ANYONE... PLEASE give feedback!!!!

your wish has been granted.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
okay I FINALLY have the chance to comment about your original first post here.As i mentioned before,I love the choice of alex baldwin as batman/bruce wayne.countless numbers of batman fans would agree with you on that as well because I have seen over the years many countless people such as myself complain about the casting choice of keaton also and that Baldwin would have been a MUCH better choice.HE would have been perfect!!! back then.

Kim Basinger? agreed,why mess with a good thing,she was the best part about the first film and the ONLY thing that made it worth sitting through.

I agree as well that Defoe would have been an even better joker than nicholson was.he looked the part and everything.plus like you said,he has that grin.Matter of fact,in the first spiderman movie,I had the impression that he had copied nicholsons performance of the joker as green goblin.

I agree with keeping micheele pjieffer as catwoman as well.like you said,dont mess with a good thing.

I really like all your other choices as well for the other parts also,they would be great in those roles.the ONLY one i disagree with is Nicole kidman as chase she was insipid and anoyying in that movie,so come up with someone better than her.and yeah I can see shawn hunter as robin with his hair dyed black of course.as we both agreed earlier though,Scott weinger would have really brought the character of robin to life though from the comicbooks.

as far as the last paragraph goes,I say use what Nolan did in batman begins.get rid of the moronic idea of the joker killing batmans parents that that idiot tim burton used and have bruce walk into the court to get ready to kill jack napier only to have someone else do it for him and he later confesses to kim basinger that he was going to kill him and bruce while fighting crime,sees all the death in gothem city of gangsters murdered by other gansters and he sees for himself how killing people is just plain wrong and when he goes to try and get the joker he reminds himself of that and instead of sending the batmobile in there to drop a bomb in front of all his goons,he sends it in there and the batmobile releases a smoke bomb throughout the whole building which is a knockout gas and causes the criminals to fall asleep leaving them there for the police to capture later on.that way batman doesnt kill people in cowardly ways and the fanboys are pleased with the movie.well thats enough for now.

keep the way it ended with him on the ledge of the building looking at the bat signal but with the joker of course in arkham asluym and like you said,the penguin doesnt die.and FINALLY,whatever you do,DO NOT ALLOW TIM BURTON NEAR A BATMAN MOVIE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

However, I'd like to explain my stance on letting Joker die in the first (it probably won't change your mind, and I'll most likely change the story accordingly, but I'd like to explain the idea)

Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered before his eyes by Jack Napier. This event pushes him towards fighting crime, and fighting crime only (not killing, as his stance in his early career is "Stop crime because it's bad for Gotham". He tries to save Jack Napier (not realizing who he is yet), but fails, thus causing the birth of the Joker. He tries to stop Joker with non lethal methods until the scene in Vicki's apartment, when he hears Joker say his famous line. Bruce realizes that Joker = Guy that killed his parents... He looks for revenge on Joker (and only the Joker). He succeeded in a way he didn't want to (Joker falls from the helicopter). He feels he can look to the future without the haunting remembering, but the death of Joker doesn't make him feel better, it just makes him feel worse. This added to Vicki leaving, makes him more brooding, dark, and depressed. When Selina shows up, he feels that she is the missing key, and when he sees she's going down the same path he did, he tries to save her the misery. But she goes about killing Shreck ("No one can stop her" much like it was with Bruce) and she disappears. This makes Bruce feel even worse. The only thing that knocks him out of his gothic attitude is when he saves Grayson from the fate he had. It's the development of a different style Batman, being brought back from self destruction. (And that's only the first arc, not including the origin of Two-Face and the activities of Penguin)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

However, I'd like to explain my stance on letting Joker die in the first (it probably won't change your mind, and I'll most likely change the story accordingly, but I'd like to explain the idea)

Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered before his eyes by Jack Napier. This event pushes him towards fighting crime, and fighting crime only (not killing, as his stance in his early career is "Stop crime because it's bad for Gotham". He tries to save Jack Napier (not realizing who he is yet), but fails, thus causing the birth of the Joker. He tries to stop Joker with non lethal methods until the scene in Vicki's apartment, when he hears Joker say his famous line. Bruce realizes that Joker = Guy that killed his parents... He looks for revenge on Joker (and only the Joker). He succeeded in a way he didn't want to (Joker falls from the helicopter). He feels he can look to the future without the haunting remembering, but the death of Joker doesn't make him feel better, it just makes him feel worse. This added to Vicki leaving, makes him more brooding, dark, and depressed. When Selina shows up, he feels that she is the missing key, and when he sees she's going down the same path he did, he tries to save her the misery. But she goes about killing Shreck ("No one can stop her" much like it was with Bruce) and she disappears. This makes Bruce feel even worse. The only thing that knocks him out of his gothic attitude is when he saves Grayson from the fate he had. It's the development of a different style Batman, being brought back from self destruction. (And that's only the first arc, not including the origin of Two-Face and the activities of Penguin)

your right,it doesnt change my mind.you just cannot kill the joker-batmans arch enemy in any way, shape or form.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
your right,it doesnt change my mind.you just cannot kill the joker-batmans arch enemy in any way, shape or form.

Ok, so based on this, I pose one question...

How can I change the story? It's been WAY over 15 minutes...

EDIT: Oh my god... 4TH PAGE!!!!

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Part 5... (Final Part)

Joker gets mad at Batman for "stealing his balloons" and asks "why nobody told him that Batman had one of those things." Joker asks Bob for a gun, and in a fit of rage, he shoots Bob. He appoints a new "Number One Guy", some random thug, and tells his goons to clear the area. The people who didn't die escape, except Vicki and Knox, however, Knox gets knocked out when Vicki accidentally runs into him with the car and sends him flying into a garbage can. She gets out to see if he's ok. She then gets out her camera and starts taking pictures. Batman flies the Batwing into the direction of the Joker, and along the way, the goons attempt to stop him. However, he shoots down power lines to immobilize them. He then gets out the big guns for Joker. Missiles, machine guns, etc. He shoots them all at Joker, but miraculously, they all miss. Joker, laughing at his good fortune, takes out a custom made, SUPER HUGE pistol, and shoots the Batwing, hitting a vital piece of the plane, sending it crashing down, much to the Joker delight. Vicki sees this and screams, Joker notices her with her camera, and goes towards her. With Batman presumed dead, there was no one to stop Joker from taking Vicki, destroying her camera, and going into the cathedral, with her struggling the entire way. When they get into the cathedral, the Batman emerges from the rubble, beaten and battered, and slowly starts to follow them. He follows them to the top floor, where three goons are waiting for him. The first goon is a kick boxing specialist. He and Batman have an exchange, but even though he's tired and battered, his fighting skills are superior. The second guy tries to take Batman by suprise, but when he jumps at him, he crashes through the floor. The third goon is a big, muscular guy who simply overpowers the exhausted Batman. However, Batman tricks the goon with a smoke pellet, and low blows him, which knocks him out from the power of the blow.

Meanwhile, Joker decides to dance with Vicki, however, their waltz is interrupted when Batman asks Joker the now famous question, "Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" Joker looks and realizes he's in a world of hurt. Batman punchs him, and proceeds to slap him around a bit before Joker tells him that it's Batman's fault he exists. Batman replies by telling him that he knows, and that he regrets it, but HE made Batman first. Confused, Joker asks what he's talking about. Batman says that Batman may have made the Joker, but the Joker made Batman first. Joker starts backing up, saying that he was just a kid when he made him, ANYTHING to escape him. But Batman continues forward, slapping him around before finishing with a nasty uppercut. He falls over the ledge, and apparently dies. Batman and Vicki look over the ledge, but Joker grabs them and throws them over the ledge, them holding on for dear life. Joker starts prancing around on the ledge, trying to kick their hands off and have them plummet to their death. Joker's goons in a helicopter see him and attempt to pick him up, but Batman shoots a grapple gun at his leg and ties it to a gargoyle, hoping to keep him from escaping, so he can finish the business they started 23 years ago in an alley. However, the Joker is a madman, and Batman underestimated just how insane he was. He tried to board the helicopter anyway, and couldn't handle the weight of the gargoyle, falling off the ladder, plummeting to his death in front of the cops below. Then, Batman and Vicki climb back over the ledge, and Vicki imbraces her hero. Later, Batman goes to the street, seeing the corpse of his arch rival, the Joker. He calls for Gordon from the shadows, who asks him if he the panic is over. Batman nods, saying he has a gift for him at Police Headquarters.

At a press conference, Gordan, Dent, and the Mayor tell the citizens that Joker's crime spree is over. They've rounded up all of Joker's goons with help from Batman. Dent reads a letter from Batman, that if they ever need him, that all they need to do is call him. Knox makes a smart arse comment about how they do so. Gordan unveils Batman's gift, the Batsignal. Vicki walks down the road, to Bruce's car. Alfred says that Bruce is sorry he can't go to the airport with her to see her off, but he has business. She understands and gets into the car. It drives off. Then we go up the skylight and (to the amazing "Finale" song from the score) see Batman looking up at the new signal, at peace with his past and looking to the future, or so he thinks.

End.

So, how is it? I didn't change much, except I added scenes and explained a little more, so as to try and escape the same old arguments...

I agree,its all very good except for the part about joker dying of course.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Ok, so based on this, I pose one question...

How can I change the story? It's been WAY over 15 minutes...

EDIT: Oh my god... 4TH PAGE!!!!

lie i said before,have batman capture the joker at the end and have him being escorted off in a police car and we see him being taken to arklum asylum and of course end it like they did in the orginal film with batman on the ledge with the bat insignia going in the air and the bells going off.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
lie i said before,have batman capture the joker at the end and have him being escorted off in a police car and we see him being taken to arklum asylum and of course end it like they did in the orginal film with batman on the ledge with the bat insignia going in the air and the bells going off.

OK kool... I'll change it accordingly (then I can start to brainstorm for Returns: All I know is that Catwoman, Penguin, and Harvey Dent are in it as well as Max Shreck (still played by Christopher Walken))

But how do I edit my post to put the new stuff in?

Or do I have to post it all over again?

fraid you got to post it all over again.didnt you know that they only allow you 15 minutes to edit things in your posts here?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
fraid you got to post it all over again.didnt you know that they only allow you 15 minutes to edit things in your posts here?

I didn't want to have to do that, but ok...

(I thought there was a way to get around the 15 minute thing, like if you got the admin's permission, or something of the like)

I'll repost the plot with the changes suggested probably on Saturday, maybe Sunday (and if not then, well, whenever I get the chance)...

I dont know,MAYBE there is,ask one of the mods.

so dude when we going to hear more from ya?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
so dude when we going to hear more from ya?

I'm sorry, I've been working on it, but with all the craziness (and my inability to find a store that sells Fire Pro Wrestling Returns), I haven't been able to finish the tweaks... I'll get it finished soon, but I don't know when I'll be able to post it...

Batmans true love-the BAtmobil

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I'm sorry, I've been working on it, but with all the craziness (and my inability to find a store that sells Fire Pro Wrestling Returns), I haven't been able to finish the tweaks... I'll get it finished soon, but I don't know when I'll be able to post it...

oh okay.well Im sure you'll post when your ready.what does fire pro wrestling returns have anything to do with your script though?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh okay.well Im sure you'll post when your ready.what does fire pro wrestling returns have anything to do with your script though?

I went on a wild goose chase trying to find it (which I eventually did) and it cut my ability to continue working in half...

Well, I'll post (probably dragging the thread to *gasp* 5TH PAGE) it maybe on Saturday, and if not, next week...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I went on a wild goose chase trying to find it (which I eventually did) and it cut my ability to continue working in half...

Well, I'll post (probably dragging the thread to *gasp* 5TH PAGE) it maybe on Saturday, and if not, next week...

Ok, Saturday isn't going to be it, because it's today...

That's right, I'm posting the TRUE version of B89 TODAY... After some creative help from Mr. Parker, I've made the new version...

(Note: Again, I've changed the casting of Joker back to William Dafoe)

During the intro, a couple and their child are walking down a dark alley one night. Soon, they are interrupted by an unknown man armed with a pistol. He motions for the woman's necklace, but her husband intervenes, in the chaos, the husband is shot dead, and the wife begins to scream. The mugger shoots down her as well. The mugger, now in a panic, runs away, and leaves the child alone, to see his dead parents lying before him. Tears run down his face, and soon, his eyes turn from sadness, to anger.

Opening credits roll to the "Batman Theme".

BATMAN

Approaching its 200th anniversary, Gotham City's leaders fear that the high level of criminal activity will deter citizens from attending the celebrations. Gotham's mayor William Borg (Lee Wallace) orders newly elected District Attorney Harvey Dent (Val Kilmer) to make the city safe again, in hopes of revitalizing local business. During a post election speech at a press conference, Dent, targets Mafia boss Carl Grissom (Jack Palance), who controls much of the criminal activity within Gotham and has paid off a significant segment of the police force.

Meanwhile, a mysterious vigilante who witnesses claim to be calling himself "Batman" has attracted the attention of both the police and the local media by taking down a couple of muggers that night. Newspaper reporter Alexander Knox (Robert Wuhl) tries to investigate, but his questions are deflected by Lt. Eckhardt (William Hootkins), a skeptical cop on Grissom's payroll. After stonewalling Knox, Eckhardt goes to pick up a payment from Grissom's second in command, the young, brash Jack Napier (William Dafoe). Napier tells Eckhardt that Dent is moving in on some of Grissom's operations. Eckhardt replies by saying that he takes care of that kind of problem and that he takes orders from Grissom, not loose cannon nutjobs. Napier, so proud of himself and obviously having a inflated sense of importance, tells Eckhardt he should start thinking about the future of the business. Eckhardt laughs and tells Napier that he has no future, once he has lost his usefulness, he's gone. Napier, enraged, shoves Eckhardt. Eckhardt pulls out a pistol, but almost immediately, Bob (Tracey Walter), Napier's most trusted bodyguard, pulls out a gun of his own and aims at Eckhardt. Napier, knowing Eckhardt can't touch him, begins to laugh as he leaves, telling Eckhardt that he better be sure.

When Knox arrives at work the next day, he is lightheartedly mocked by his peers for continuing his "exclusive" on the Batman. He laughs and makes his way to his desk. He sees an attractive woman sitting at his desk reading a newspaper. He instantly comes up with some cheesy pick-up line. She acknowledges him and introduces herself as Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger). He remembers her from her photos in Vogue, Cosmo, and Time during it's story on Corto Maltese. She confirms this and tells him she came to take pictures of Gotham's wildlife. Knox asks what she's looking for. She replies with the simple word "bats". He asks who sent her, and she says that she read his article and it interested her. She says that with her photos and his words, they'll get a Pulitzer Prize for sure. He agrees to work with her, telling her that he's been trying to get Commissioner Gordon (Paul Newman) on the phone but he's been avoiding him. Vicki tells him that he'll be at Bruce Wayne's (Alec Baldwin) charity ball. He is overcome with joy at the news, but then realizes he wasn't invited. Just then, Vicki pulls out two invitations from her purse. He smiles and the two walk out together.

Meanwhile, in Carl Grissom's penthouse, he reads a headline from the newspaper about Harvey Dent's crusade against him. He then makes a note about Axis Chemicals and the files it contains. These files hold documentation about Grissom's activities. If Dent got a hold of these, Grissom would be looking at major jail time. He asks his lieutenants for some advice. Jack Napier gives him very obivous advice (break in, trash the office, take the files, and blame it on industrial espionage) and treats it like divine revelation. Grissom agrees, telling him that he should handle the operation personally. Grissom then tells all his lieutenants thank you and that they can leave. Jack stays behind, asking Grissom if someone else can handle it, because he doesn't like the atmosphere of the place. Grissom tells Jack that it's an important job and he needs someone he can trust to carry it out. He needs his "Number One Guy". Jack reluctantly agrees and leaves.

Bruce Wayne's charity ball is a big success. All of Gotham's elite have turned out for the event. Commissioner Gordon, Mayor Borg, Harvey Dent, etc. Also having shown up is Alexander Knox and Vicki Vale, both looking for Commissioner Gordon. Vicki Vale, curious as to who Bruce Wayne really is, goes up to someone and asks where he is. The man, who is actually Bruce Wayne, is caught off guard and is unknowing of her intentions. He tells her he's not sure, and she moves on. Intrigued, Bruce watches her. Knox, "interviewing" a lovely bartender, notices Gordon being informed by an officer. He motions for Vicki to listen in, but she cannot see him. The officer tells Gordon that the station got a tip that Jack Napier was cleaning out Axis Chemicals. Gordon, infuriated, demands to know why he wasn't informed sooner. The officer tells Gordon that Lt. Eckhardt took the job. The two quickly and quietly leave out the door. Knox gets Vicki and they follow. Bruce looks on, his eyes transfixed on Vicki. The two get lost and find their way into the Wayne armory, filled with weapons and armor Bruce collected during his training abroad. Knox can't help but joke around at the absurdity of one of the statues, going so far as to call it "King of the Wicker People". He and Vicki then point out an elaborate sword on the wall, not knowing where it could have come from. Suddenly, a voice tells them it's from Japan. They turn around and see a man in his early thirties (it's obviously Bruce, but they don't know it yet). Knox asks how he knows, and he says that's where he got it from. Knox then asks who the man is, and he tells them he's Bruce Wayne. Knox shakes his hand and introduces himself. Bruce then turns to Vicki, who shakes his hand and introduces herself. She asks if Bruce is sure who he is, and Bruce smiles and nods, blushing a little. Vicki and Bruce talk, obviously feeling some sort of connection, almost to the point they forget about Knox. Alfred comes in and tells Bruce that Commissioner Gordon had to leave and that it was very unexpected. Getting what Alfred is saying, he bids good evening to Vicki and Knox and leaves out a door on the opposite side of the room.

Grissom, on discovering that his mistress Alicia Hunt (Jerry Hall) is involved with Napier, sets him up to be killed by Eckhardt in the raid on Axis Chemicals. When Jack's crew gets to the files, they're already gone. Knowing that they'd been set up, Jack and his crew begin to leave, but Eckhardt's men spot them and start shooting at them. There is a large shootout between the two, and in the confusion, Jack is able to make his way up a catwalk. The plot is foiled by the arrival of Commissioner Gordon, who relieves Eckhardt of command and makes it known that he wants Napier arrested and taken alive (in hopes that he'll testify against Grissom in a plea deal). Also, the Batman arrives to check the disturbance there. After defeating the gangsters, Batman catches up to Napier. He kicks Napier's gun away and grabs him. But Bob already has Gordon at gunpoint and claims he'll off him if Batman doesn't let Jack go. Batman lets go of Jack, but once he grabs his gun and turns back around, the Batman is gone. Confused, Jack looks around, trying to find him. Bob urges Jack to get out, but Jack is truly freaked out, not knowing where the Batman is. Then, Jack spots Eckhardt, who, gun in hand, was obviously trying to kill him. As revenge, Jack yells at Eckhardt that he should've thought about the future, and then promptly and without remorse, shoots and kills him. Then, out the corner of his eye, Jack spots Batman, he quickly turns around and fires his gun, but misses. Then, Batman jumps from the shadows and attacks him, and he staggers. He falls over the railing, but Batman grabs his hand to keep him from falling. However, Jack's hand slips and he falls in a vat of unknown chemicals, and presumably died. Gordon, infuriated that they almost had Napier, orders his officers to apprehend Batman. However, he uses a grapple gun to escape.

The next day, news about Napier's demise hits newspapers all around Gotham. Knox and Vicki suspect it was the Batman. But everytime Knox began to question the Commissioner, he always hung up. Knox suggests that he and Vicki go and pick up some leads, but Vicki kindly declines, telling him that she had gotten a call from Bruce Wayne earlier that day, and that they would be having a nice dinner together.

Meanwhile, in an illegal clinic, Jack Napier, thought to be dead, is bandaged up. The surgeon begins to unravel the bandaging around Napier's head. Wanting to know if the procedure was a success, Napier quickly rips the bandaging off, revealing his face to the surgeon, who is horrified at the sight. Jack asks for a mirror, when the surgeon is too slow, he yells and demands one. The surgeon gives him a mirror, and he looks at his reflection. He moans for a moment, realizing that his "looks" are gone, and that he was never important to anyone. Suddenly, he begins to laugh, and laugh and laugh and laugh. He has lost his sanity. The surgeon tries to explain that his tools are not the best to use, but Jack just keeps laughing. Soon, he accidentally smashes the lightbulb (effectively concealing his face from the audience), and he leaves.

Later, at Wayne Manor, Bruce and Vicki sit in a large dining room, having a very formal dinner. Both find it very hard to communicate in the room, and both start to lose interest. Realizing that the date is going no where fast, Bruce attempts to use his playboy charm by making a "Clark Kent"-esque comment about never being in the room before tonight. Vicki giggles, and Bruce, realizing that he has her interest again, asks if she'd like to eat in the kitchen, in a more informal environment. She gladly accepts, and the two go into the kitchen with their food to have a nice evening in the company of Alfred. Alfred tells tales about Bruce's younger days, like when he and Bruce went horseback riding. At the end of his story, Alfred attends to the dishes, while Bruce pours himself and Vicki some more wine, keeping their night alive. When they are finished drinking, Vicki is drunk and unable to drive. She whispers something into Bruce's ear, and the two go upstairs...

The next morning, Carl Grissom gets out of the shower, and is ready for a meeting with the other Mafia bosses around the Gotham area. He is looking out the window, when the door behind him opens. He turns around, expecting to see Alicia, but instead he sees a man in a trenchcoat and hat shrouded in darkness. Grissom demands to know who he is, and the man asks Grissom if he's already been forgotten, in a voice easily recognized as Jack Napier's. Grissom, trying to act like he had no part of the hit contract, tells him that he's so thankful that he's alive. Jack tells him to cut the crap and that he knows he set him up because he was sneaking around with Alicia. Grissom tries to grab a gun, but Jack instantly pulls out a magnum and tells him that gambling is dangerous (Grissom's gambling with his life). Grissom goes into "pissed off" mode, and starts yelling at Jack, telling him that his life is meaningless. Jack tells Grissom that he's been dead before, and he didn't mind it, and that maybe Grissom should try it. Panicking, Girssom asks Jack if they can cut a deal, whether it be money, turf, Alicia, whatever Jack wants. Napier tells Grissom that Jack died in Axis Chemicals, and that he should call him by his proper name (he walks out of the shadows), Joker. At last, we see his face, pale white skin, red lips paired with a sick grin, and emerald green hair. Grissom freezes in terror, and "Joker" shoots Grissom in the chest. Grissom falls backward into his chair, but Joker doesn't stop there. He continues to shoot Grissom through the chest, laughing manically throughout the entire time. When his gun runs out of bullets, he drops it, calms himself, walks over to the dead Grissom, pats him on the shoulder, and tells the corpse that he's glad they had the chance to talk. He laughs as he walks off the screen.

That same morning, after having made love with Vicki, Bruce wakes up, invigorated and exercises. While he is exercising, Vicki wakes up to see him upside down, but she soon falls asleep again. When she woke up again, she found Bruce asleep on the couch. She woke him up and asked him if they could go out later. Bruce is about to reply when he suddenly freezes, then tells her that he can't and that he has a business meeting. She understands and proceeds to leave as he gets up.

In the afternoon, Joker, disguised as his former self, Jack Napier, is residing over a Mafia Commission meeting. He tells the other bosses that Grissom has gone away for a while, and until he "resurfaces", he will take authority over Grissom's operations, and ultimately, the entire Gotham Mafia. He also makes a suggestion that they should put all their effort in creating as much chaos and destruction as possible. One of the mafioso, Ricorso (John Dair), asks why Grissom didn't tell them himself. Another, Rotelli (Edwin Craig), agrees, also making note of the "stupid grin" Jack is displaying proudly. Jack responds by saying that life has been good to him. Rotelli, looking disgusted, asks what were to happen if the Commission didn't approve. Jack stands up, walks over to Rotelli, and tells him that if he doesn't want to do business, all he has to do is shake his hand, and that'll be that. Rotelli, looking perplexed, extends his hand. Jack grabs it, and his hand starts to smoke. 40,000 volts surge through Rotelli's body as Jack laughs wildly. When the smoke clears, Rotelli is nothing but a charred skeleton, and Jack flips his hand, revealing a joy buzzer. Just then, a dozen thugs armed with automatic weapons rush into the room, pointing their weapons at the mafioso. Jack makes a joke about the state of illegal weapons in the country, and starts laughing hysterically. Ricorso, with a look of legitimate fear in his eyes, tells him he's crazy. Jack just shakes his head laughing madly, then in an instant, he yells at them to get out. The thugs escort the mafioso out of the room, until only Joker, Bob, and Rotelli's corpse are left. Joker tells Bob to follow a certain Alexander Knox to find out what he knows about the vigilante Batman, and to bring his camera. Before Bob leaves, Joker mocks Grissom by telling Bob that it's an important job and he needs someone he can trust to carry it out. He needs his "Number One Guy". Bob smirks and leaves the room. Joker, as he did with Grissom, begins to make conversation with the corpse of Rotelli. He says that the mafioso aren't bad people, and that he should maybe be a little linient with them. He looks at the corpse as if it's replying, then Joker instantly changes his answer. He asks if he should eliminate him now, and looks at the corpse again. He nods, saying Rotelli has always been a vicious bastard, and that he's glad he's dead. He then starts laughing as he walks off screen.

That evening, around 5 pm, Bruce Wayne goes into the city, carrying a package. He walks into an alley and opens the package, revealing two red roses. He kneels down on the cold concrete and places the roses on the ground. He gets up and stands in the alley for a few minutes, then turns around and leaves. He begins to walk towards the limo, he notices a large commotion at City Hall. Ricorso, flanked by a lawyer and two bodyguards. Reporters and photographers are everywhere, including Knox and Vicki. Bruce begins to walk over to see what is going on. A reporter asks if the rumors about "Grissom handing over his businesses to him" are true. Ricorso confirms these rumors as true, stating that they have signatures to prove it. Bruce watches when something else catches his eye, a street mime. Soon, a couple others show up, and it is then that Bruce realizes something is about to happen, however, he can't change into his costume while there are so many people around. Unknown to everyone, Bob is at the cornor, taking pictures of Knox, Ricorso, the crowd, etc. The conference is just about over when all of a sudden, someone comments that the signatures are truly legitimate, and that Grissom signed them with his blood. Everyone turns around to see a white-faced man with red lips, grinning like a madman (Joker). He pulls out a quill, and he tells the crowd that Grissom did the signature signing with that exact pen. He then throws it at Ricorso, and it gets jammed into his throat, killing him. Joker takes a bow and runs, as his goons (the mimes) proceed to shoot the bodyguards with tommy guns. The crowd goes into a panic, while Bruce just walks towards the laughing madman, who gets into a getaway car and drives off, laughing all the way. Vicki, noticing he's there, runs after him, grabbing his shoulder so he doesn't continue to follow him.

On the six o' clock news, a reporter talks about the grim events that took place at city hall. 4 gangsters dead at the scene, but 12 more were murdered around the city. The reporter claims that it's a "mob take over" that the mysterious Batman may play a part in. At that moment, someone fires a gun at the television screen. The Joker, with an angry expression, complains about Batman getting all the airtime, though it was HIS deed. he decides to play "one-up" with Batman, and Joker rushes into Axis Chemicals, yelling at his workers to finish the first batch and ship them. He then returns to his "office", and picks up a file laying on his desk. It reads "EXPERIMENTAL NERVE GAS: DISCONTINUED 1977". Joker grins as he continues to read the file.

Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne, secretly the Batman, is reading a file of his own. The file is the criminal record of one Jack Napier. He is very suspisicous that Jack Napier and the Joker are one and the same. He reads that Jack was a gifted artist and was an exceptional chemist. He decides to do some detective work. He goes to the Police Headquarters and stealthily takes the quill that killed Ricorso. He then leaves as quietly and unseen as he came. He runs tests on the quill in his underground lair, the Batcave, looking for any DNA match. None. Bruce is puzzled that the only DNA on it is Ricorso's. How could this be?

The next day, on the afternoon news, the anchorwoman reports two mysterious deaths from "violent allergic reactions". While the anchorman is reporting about the 200th anniversary parade, he gets breaking news about two more deaths with identical results. As he is reporting, suddenly, the anchorwoman starts to laugh, little by little, it becomes uncontrollable, and she falls backward. The news crew call the paramedics, but it's too late, she loses her pulse, and her face is transfixed into a chemically induced grin. Suddenly, the airwaves are taken over by the Joker. He airs a "commerical" for his new "product", Smilex, and its proven system of "getting grins, again, and again!" The most shocking thing he says, however, is "chances are, you've bought them already!" The city goes into mass panic, avoiding the supermarkets. Its hysteria on the streets, people paranoid that they'll be the next Smilex victim

Bruce, learning about this new threat, decides to go shopping. He buys products that people use daily and mixes them in the Batcave. What he discovers is the way to stop Joker's plot, but he can't get it out into the public. He needs