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So far I got,

The Kurgan from Highlander if he had won the Prize.

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End. (Say some one obtained the Miracle Machine and thought up a being that could dream a death of The Presence or The One Above All.)

Is this a joke thread?

Originally posted by Rorschach
Is this a joke thread?


Nope.

Originally posted by King_Cold
Nope.

Then I suggest you read up on TOAA and The Presence.

There are too many beings to list. One thread just won't be enough.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Then I suggest you read up on TOAA and The Presence.

There are too many beings to list. One thread just won't be enough.

Yes, TOAA


Presence


There is also a God of Dark Horse, he uber pwns everyone.

Add Thanos with prep to that list.

With prep he could aqquire the HOTU again and at the very least stalemate The Presence and TOAA.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Add Thanos with prep to that list.

Lets not forget the Daioshin-Kaioshin, the first Kai that created all of the others.

TOAA - Joe Quesada, Bendis maybe. They have destroyed some powerful characters in the past. Not sure about the Presence over at DC - possibly Loeb.

Yo.

Originally posted by King_Cold
Lets not forget the Daioshin-Kaioshin, the first Kai that created all of the others.

but I dont believe he's above TOAA/Presence.


Tazer

...

That's about it.

None of the Kais are on the level of a Supreme Being.

TOAA (Not the Celestial) is god

So yeah, nothing can beat him

Wolverine

Maybe Pre Crisis Superman could create an anti TOAA or anti Presence power.

Seroiusly though, No one, nothing, not anyone. Thanos HOTU would die against TOAA.

Go Great Evil Beast.

Actually I found one that could actually do it. The god of books(don't remember the exact name) from the Thursday Next series is probably the ultimate breaker of the 4th wall, it can overwrite and rewrite any piece of text ever written thereby giving it the power to write both of those characters out of existence.

I thought Stan-lee was TOAA?

Originally posted by Grimm22
TOAA (Not the Celestial) is god

So yeah, nothing can beat him

You can't beat up Stan Lee?

GOKU FTW

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I thought Stan-lee was TOAA?



You can't beat up Stan Lee? Stan Lee is a ninja.

In Marvel,

God/Toaa are Two beings, (the Artist) & the (Writer)
it's been depicted on panel (FF#511)
and certified in the late 05' Official Handbook bio of the FF.

God literally draws the Marvel Comics WE Read from Marvel Heaven.
(a character within comics that draws everything that takes place within the Omniverse)

In the story, God's "Collaborator" calls him on the phone, and begins telling God ideas for other issues, like Silver Surfer, Black Panther & Spiderman, on his table he has drawings of other Heroes even Galactus is just a drawing on a piece of paper.

So the "Collaborator" is obviously depicted as the Writer, who dictates the "laws/theme" within a story while the Artist uses his pencil to bring those "laws/theme" to Reality (within Comics, the Comic stories we read)


Even though it's obvious that God/Toaa are the "Writer" and "Artist" of any given story,
Marvel played it cool by keeping it in Comics. (because God /Toaa still are characters themselves, it's just that those characters represent the artists and the writers of Marvel in the real world)



So NO character of any kind can take out the God/Toaa of Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel,

God/Toaa are Two beings, (the Artist) & the (Writer)
it's been depicted on panel (FF#511)
and certified in the late 05' Official Handbook bio of the FF.

God literally draws the Marvel Comics WE Read from Marvel Heaven.
(a character within comics that draws everything that takes place within the Omniverse)

In the story, God's "Collaborator" calls him on the phone, and begins telling God ideas for other issues, like Silver Surfer, Black Panther & Spiderman, on his table he has drawings of other Heroes even Galactus is just a drawing on a piece of paper.

So the "Collaborator" is obviously depicted as the Writer, who dictates the "laws/theme" within a story while the Artist uses his pencil to bring those "laws/theme" to Reality (within Comics, the Comic stories we read)


Even though it's obvious that God/Toaa are the "Writer" and "Artist" of any given story,
Marvel played it cool by keeping it in Comics. (because God /Toaa still are characters themselves, it's just that those characters represent the artists and the writers of Marvel in the real world)



So NO character of any kind can take out the God/Toaa of Marvel.

God of text from the Thursday next series still wins this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In Marvel,

God/Toaa are Two beings, (the Artist) & the (Writer)
it's been depicted on panel (FF#511)
and certified in the late 05' Official Handbook bio of the FF.

God literally draws the Marvel Comics WE Read from Marvel Heaven.
(a character within comics that draws everything that takes place within the Omniverse)

In the story, God's "Collaborator" calls him on the phone, and begins telling God ideas for other issues, like Silver Surfer, Black Panther & Spiderman, on his table he has drawings of other Heroes even Galactus is just a drawing on a piece of paper.

So the "Collaborator" is obviously depicted as the Writer, who dictates the "laws/theme" within a story while the Artist uses his pencil to bring those "laws/theme" to Reality (within Comics, the Comic stories we read)


Even though it's obvious that God/Toaa are the "Writer" and "Artist" of any given story,
Marvel played it cool by keeping it in Comics. (because God /Toaa still are characters themselves, it's just that those characters represent the artists and the writers of Marvel in the real world)



So NO character of any kind can take out the God/Toaa of Marvel.




It's mad cheesy, but true. However, since Stan Lee and the writers do not own other Supreme characters (like the Presence, Mother of Creation, Yahweh, etc.) TOAA cannot do anything to them (unless they buy out their trademarks)

Originally posted by Akuki
God of text from the Thursday next series still wins this.

How exactly can this God of text hurt individuals like you and me?


Originally posted by Goddess Kali
It's mad cheesy, but true. However, since Stan Lee and the writers do not own other Supreme characters (like the Presence, Mother of Creation, Yahweh, etc.) TOAA cannot do anything to them (unless they buy out their trademarks)

If they do, then they must face a force more powerful than TOAA & God. . .Their lawyers.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
How exactly can this God of text hurt individuals like you and me?




If they do, then they must face a force more powerful than TOAA & God. . .Their lawyers.
Couple reasons, first of all it has the ability to rewrite an entire story line, so if it so wished it could turn the marvel universe into a story about a pretty pony. Secondly, in the Thursday next universe characters can exit the literary universe and enter the main one, so yes it could literally send a minotaur into the real world to eat Stan Lee, at leas according to the rules of its universe.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
How exactly can this God of text hurt individuals like you and me?

Precisely.

I think he missed that part of my post.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If they do, then they must face a force more powerful than TOAA & God. . .Their lawyers.

Originally posted by Akuki
Couple reasons, first of all it has the ability to rewrite an entire story line, so if it so wished it could turn the marvel universe into a story about a pretty pony.

That would never happen, not ever.

Only the Marvel Company has a say in what happens in their Comics.

Do you really believe that some character/drawing from some other Comic book company can actually affect another Company in any way without any say from said company being affected?

You buggin, but beyond that like I said before,

God/Toaa draws everything, it's all just pieces of paper.

So if this character you speak of appears in comics,
well then he can be crumbled up and thrown in the trash.

Originally posted by Akuki
Secondly, in the Thursday next universe characters can exit the literary universe and enter the main one, so yes it could literally send a minotaur into the real world to eat Stan Lee, at leas according to the rules of its universe.

And this is ridiculous. (not you the company that allowed this into publication)

Originally posted by Akuki
Couple reasons, first of all it has the ability to rewrite an entire story line, so if it so wished it could turn the marvel universe into a story about a pretty pony. Secondly, in the Thursday next universe characters can exit the literary universe and enter the main one, so yes it could literally send a minotaur into the real world to eat Stan Lee, at leas according to the rules of its universe.

How would he do this without getting sued?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That would never happen, not ever.

Only the Marvel Company has a say in what happens in their Comics.

Do you really believe that some character/drawing from some other Comic book company can actually affect another Company in any way without any say from said company being affected?

You buggin, but beyond that like I said before,

God/Toaa draws everything, it's all just pieces of paper.

So if this character you speak of appears in comics,
well then he can be crumbled up and thrown in the trash.



And this is ridiculous. (not you the company that allowed this into publication) It's not a comic book, it's actually a pretty funny series of novels. In the series, there is a seperate dimension housing all literary figures, and the first editions of all published works ever made. The main character Thurday, is a detective in Jurisfiction or the policing body of literature, for example one of the stories is where she has to go track down a Minotaur which has escaped from the ODyssey and is hiding out in in Pulp fiction. The god of text has basically absolute control over this entire realm and everything in it, and there are plenty of instances in which events in the fictional realm have effects in the realm world, for example a character who gets into the first edition of Jean Eyre was able to alter the entire storyline in all editions of it. This text god literally has power over anything ever written no matter what seperate type of universe it was in, got to say there are some funky physics in there, for example one character caused a huge explosion by slaping together The Communist Manifesto and Mein kampf by using the heat generated between their conflicting ideologies.

Originally posted by Akuki
It's not a comic book, it's actually a pretty funny series of novels. In the series, there is a seperate dimension housing all literary figures, and the first editions of all published works ever made. The main character Thurday, is a detective in Jurisfiction or the policing body of literature, for example one of the stories is where she has to go track down a Minotaur which has escaped from the ODyssey and is hiding out in in Pulp fiction. The god of text has basically absolute control over this entire realm and everything in it, and there are plenty of instances in which events in the fictional realm have effects in the realm world, for example a character who gets into the first edition of Jean Eyre was able to alter the entire storyline in all editions of it.

That's cool but honestly it's all inconsequential.

The bottomline is that there's absolutely no one that can take out God/Toaa in Marvel.

Whatever the power/capability of any character from any source outside of Marvel is,
means absolutely nothing here.

Concerning God/Toaa only Marvel has any significance.

You would have to literally kill every Writer and Artist in the REAL World
that works for Marvel in order to make God/Toaa stop functioning. Not gonna happen unless they're crazy

Again,

God/Toaa (from a fictional standpoint) are supreme in the Marvel comic Reality.

God/Toaa (from a non-fictional perspective)
are based on REAL People ... the Artists and Writers of Marvel Comics, co.


So Thursday may be the man in his World but he ain't jack in Marvel. (unless Marvel says so)
and in order to appear in Marvel Comics,
you have to be created and drawn, atleast in part (if it's a cross-over)
by God/Toaa. swank

If you say so, there's still plenty of times in that series where fictional characters have escaped and attacked nonfictional characters. my personal favorite is when Emperor Zhark(a bad knock off on Darth Vader) goes and threatens his writer to prevent him from killing him off in the novels. Anyways can we agree that the Presence would be toast then since he doesn't seem to have the same confirmed real world presence? Also since the god of text has been shown to be able to alter books other than the ones it appears in without the permission of outside authors, unless we get into a really complicated discussion about the 4th wall, the god from thursday next takes it because it can destroy any book without the permission of its author.

Originally posted by Akuki
If you say so, there's still plenty of times in that series where fictional characters have escaped and attacked nonfictional characters. my personal favorite is when Emperor Zhark(a bad knock off on Darth Vader) goes and threatens his writer to prevent him from killing him off in the novels. Anyways can we agree that the Presence would be toast then since he doesn't seem to have the same confirmed real world presence? Also since the god of text has been shown to be able to alter books other than the ones it appears in without the permission of outside authors, unless we get into a really complicated discussion about the 4th wall, the god from thursday next takes it because it can destroy any book without the permission of its author.

Give it up fanboy. No fictional character is beating a real life person(s). Have you ever heard of the word retcon?

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Give it up fanboy. No fictional character is beating a real life person(s). Have you ever heard of the word retcon?
This character is basically the living embodiment of that concept. Is there the same link extablished with the Presence in DC to a real person?

Originally posted by Akuki
This character is basically the living embodiment of that concept.

But, it's harmless to us.

Originally posted by Akuki
This character is basically the living embodiment of that concept. Is there the same link extablished with the Presence in DC to a real person?

I never said Presence would beat or even stalemate TOAA. Fiction cannot be the living embodiment of anything, fanboy.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
But, it's harmless to us.
yes, but it doesn't need to hurt the actual people, it just needs to retcon the universe so that real people aren't considered TOAA. As for my comment about the presence I was simply asking that because if the presence isn't linked to an actual person in the real universe the the god of text from the Thursday next series can take him down pretty easily. And what's with the attacks? I think I've been pretty reasonable backing up my claims so far.

Originally posted by Akuki
yes, but it doesn't need to hurt the actual people, it just needs to retcon the universe so that real people aren't considered TOAA. As for my comment about the presence I was simply asking that because if the presence isn't linked to an actual person in the real universe the the god of text from the Thursday next series can take him down pretty easily. And what's with the attacks? I think I've been pretty reasonable backing up my claims so far.

And then TOAA retcons it into oblivion. Then TOAA takes a paper shredded and shreads the thing into oblivion. Then TOAA takes a shit on it. Then TOAA lights it on fire. The list can go on and on. And no you haven't made any reasonable arguments because you can't reasonably argue that a ficitonal character can beat a real life person.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
And then TOAA retcons it into oblivion. Then TOAA takes a paper shredded and shreads the thing into oblivion. Then TOAA takes a shit on it. Then TOAA lights it on fire. The list can go on and on. And no you haven't made any reasonable arguments because you can't reasonably argue that a ficitonal character can beat a real life person.
Can someone please answer my question about the presence please? As for the rules about TOAA, I'm simply stating that if this was played according to the rules of The Thursday Next universe, The god of text has the feats to do exactly what is required to defeat TOAA, namely killing the real world artists and writers, however since we are running this by real world rules, i will agree that TOAA cannot be taken out by a fictional character.

I'm going to create my own universe, its going to be a fanfic of DBZ, and I'll be God, or the Daioshin-Kaioshin.

Originally posted by Akuki
Can someone please answer my question about the presence please? As for the rules about TOAA, I'm simply stating that if this was played according to the rules of The Thursday Next universe, The god of text has the feats to do exactly what is required to defeat TOAA, namely killing the real world artists and writers, however since we are running this by real world rules, i will agree that TOAA cannot be taken out by a fictional character.

Thank you for not be absent minded. As for the Presence, the Presence is suppose to be the representation of the Abrahamic God. It is a very poor representation and the Presence is not the artist and writer. Therefore it is plausible that the god of text can win or stalemate but since they are suppose to be fictional supremes it is all opinion. I'll go with Presence since DC is greater

Originally posted by Akuki
The god of text has the feats to do exactly what is required to defeat TOAA, namely killing the real world artists and writers, however since we are running this by real world rules
But, TOAA and God are meant to be used with real world rules. How else can an artist and a writer be labeled as Gods?

Ok as the presence isn't a real world person then the God of text wins this, the ability to rewrite the DC universe so that it doesn't include the presence wins the day, and as the presence has no real world component to correct the changes that can't be affect by TGOT, TGOT wins.

Originally posted by Akuki
Ok as the presence isn't a real world person then the God of text wins this, the ability to rewrite the DC universe so that it doesn't include the presence wins the day, and as the presence has no real world component to correct the changes that can't be affect by TGOT, TGOT wins.

Or you can say the Presence doesn't allow the retcon to happen. It can go either way with fictional supremes. That's why most would say stalemate in this case.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Or you can say the Presence doesn't allow the retcon to happen. It can go either way with fictional supremes. That's why most would say stalemate in this case.

Since when did the presence have the power to stop retcons?

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Since when did the presence have the power to stop retcons?

omnipotence...

however TGOT makes the changes from outside of the DC universe, so it never enters the presence's realm of power. Plus the fact that TGOT can literally destroy the first edition of say Superman #1, and therefore none of the rest of DC will come about.

Depends on how you define omnipotence . . .

(or the TOAA and Presence for that matter)

Originally posted by tooa/presence
omnipotence...

Can stop retcons?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Depends on how you define omnipotence . . .

(or the TOAA and Presence for that matter)

There are two types of Gods, the more powerful one to them is the writer that spawned the legacy of the characters, that writes their every move.

And then there is the less powerful one, inside the respected universe that the writer wrote there is a history, instead of an old grotesque imperfect human that sits on his desk and makes up stuff, there is a perfect being in the respected universe, his embodiment.

These two beings created their universe in two deferent ways, one thought it up, and put it on paper, and his embodiment created the omniverse with his power. They are essentially the same being, except one dies, and his embodiment lives in that universe for ever.

This might be the very essence in which we were created, we could be the dream of what we would call, God, yet he is less then us in his universe compared to what we are in ours.

This is the most messed up thread ever.. fictional characters cannot harm people in this dimension. Even having the character threaten people in this reality is purely by choice of the people in this reality. However the fictional characters still couldn't hurt the people withing this universe.

And simply crumpling up a picture of someone will not harm them.

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is the most messed up thread ever.. fictional characters cannot harm people in this dimension. Even having the character threaten people in this reality is purely by choice of the people in this reality. However the fictional characters still couldn't hurt the people withing this universe.

I disagree

Ever heard of pantheistic solipsism?

Originally posted by Creshosk
And simply crumpling up a picture of someone will not harm them.

Unless that picture is the person. A single frame of the comic character's life could be smashed by a person in our reality.

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is the most messed up thread ever.. fictional characters cannot harm people in this dimension. Even having the character threaten people in this reality is purely by choice of the people in this reality. However the fictional characters still couldn't hurt the people withing this universe.

And simply crumpling up a picture of someone will not harm them.

Yes, thats the imperfect grotesque thing that we would call a human, they can't harm him, but we could think of stuff that was featured in his universe and become a "God" ourselves that erases him in our own universe, but not in his.

I'm essentially asking the viewer of my thread to make his/her own universe in which a being annihilates what it would call "God" And you become the new one. This only results in more universes and more Gods, but it is no more pointless than love, or emotion.