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Goku after training with Shenron for 100 years. (He doesn't have any feats, but his powers are estimated to by beyond human comprehension, Shenron probably taught him how to manipulate reality.)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8146/gokuaftertrainingwithshpo0.png


VS


Pre-Crisis Superman. Pre-crisis Superman destroyed a galaxy with a sneeze, moved 15 planets to the other side of the universe, and held a black hole in his hand.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8642/precrisissupermanid8.jpg

Aww man, this is gonna be sad . It always ends with Goku usually losing lol T_T..

Dark Schneider vs Superman could be interesting though XD

Not DBZ again damn it.

Instead of saying shenron probably taught him how to manipulate reality, why didn't you just say, Goku with the ability to manipulate reality.

People do that often.

Hulk with light-speed movement vs....

Cap with Hulk strength vs.....

etc etc.

Originally posted by Ban Mido
Aww man, this is gonna be sad . It always ends with Goku usually losing lol T_T


Thats because they never used Goku after training with Shenron, (Who can manipulate reality.) for 100 years. By that time, Goku could create a super massive black hole to do trillions of one fingered push ups on.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Instead of saying shenron probably taught him how to manipulate reality, why didn't you just say, Goku with the ability to manipulate reality.

People do that often.

Hulk with light-speed movement vs....

Cap with Hulk strength vs.....

etc etc.




If Goku can learn how to manipulate Ki, then he can learn how to manipulate reality.

Superman on the other hand can do anything.

PC Supes closes the blackhole leaving Goku trapped in it.

God. I hate DBZ now because of all these ****ing threads.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
PC Supes closes the blackhole leaving Goku trapped in it.

God. I hate DBZ now because of all these ****ing threads.

Goku makes the Black Hole disappear and tells Superman that he wants a fair fight.

Why would VS threads make you hate DBZ?

Originally posted by King_Cold
If Goku can learn how to manipulate Ki, then he can learn how to manipulate reality.

Superman on the other hand can do anything.


So daredevil, Iron fist and shang chi can manipulate reality these days!!!

Interesting.

Honestly, the only two people I would even consider matter/reality manipulaters in DBZ are Janeba and Gudo. And their low-mid level manipulaters at best.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So daredevil, Iron fist and shang chi can manipulate reality these days!!!

Interesting.

Honestly, the only two people I would even consider matter/reality manipulaters in DBZ are Janeba and Gudo. And their low-mid level manipulaters at best.


If Shenron can't manipulate reality, then how does he grant wishes?

If Shenron taught daredevil, Iron fist and shang chi how to manipulate reality, it would be awesome.

Goku after training with Shenron could make wishes, real!!!

Originally posted by King_Cold
If Shenron can't manipulate reality, then how does he grant wishes?

If Shenron taught daredevil, Iron fist and shang chi how to manipulate reality, it would be awesome.

Well barring the dragon of course.

Because every 15 minutes a new DBZ thread appears. And most of them simply discuss DBZ chars against Superman. It has gotten old extremely fast.

Originally posted by King_Cold
Goku after training with Shenron for 100 years. (He doesn't have any feats, but his powers are estimated to by beyond human comprehension, Shenron probably taught him how to manipulate reality.)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8146/gokuaftertrainingwithshpo0.png


VS


Pre-Crisis Superman. Pre-crisis Superman destroyed a galaxy with a sneeze, moved 15 planets to the other side of the universe, and held a black hole in his hand.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8642/precrisissupermanid8.jpg

Why do you always have to make Goku face PC superman. Don't you know that PC supes is a nonsensical asstard that can chuck planets at people...that can sneeze and destroy a solar system....that can pretty much move anything according to some of his writers?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Because every 15 minutes a new DBZ thread appears. And most of them simply discuss DBZ chars against Superman. It has gotten old extremely fast.

You know, when something get old to me, I usually ignore/drop/do something else.

I find it works just great.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You know, when something get old to me, I usually ignore/drop/do something else.

I find it works just great.

I was thinking the samething.

Excuse me for not following the current.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Excuse me for not following the current. But, seriously, as long as mix genre's exsist. Goku will always fight supes, it was the samething in the anime forums. People thought Goku was the strongest anime character.

Originally posted by King_Cold
If Shenron can't manipulate reality, then how does he grant wishes?

If Shenron taught daredevil, Iron fist and shang chi how to manipulate reality, it would be awesome.

Goku after training with Shenron could make wishes, real!!! Another quesstion for you. Ifhe doesn't have the same limitations as a djinn then why is this great reality manipulator stuck granting wishes for other people?

Also why is/was his power and ability to appear limited to a given namekian guardian?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Another quesstion for you. Ifhe doesn't have the same limitations as a djinn then why is this great reality manipulator stuck granting wishes for other people?

Also why is/was his power and ability to appear limited to a given namekian guardian?


Interesting?

Originally posted by King_Cold
Thats because they never used Goku after training with Shenron, (Who can manipulate reality.)

Goku or Shenron?

Training with someone doesn't give you their powers.

Damn it, can't we have a temp ban on DBZ threads just like we did with Storm threads?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Goku or Shenron?

Training with someone doesn't give you their powers.

Shenron can give Goku the ability to manipulate reality by manipulating reality himself.

Shenron is stuck granting wishes because thats what Kami made him for. He doesn't dare betray his creator, because his creator can blink him out of existence. And if Kami dies, the dragon balls turn to stone, and Shenron can't manipulate that. Well he could, but he is a pure hearted being, and he wouldn't.

You guys don't understand why people make DBZ threads, well its probably because so many people respond to them.


If you want a thread do die, or if you want certain types of threads to die, don't respond to them.

Originally posted by King_Cold
Shenron can give Goku the ability to manipulate reality by manipulating reality himself.

Shenron is stuck granting wishes because thats what Kami made him for. He doesn't dare betray his creator, because his creator can blink him out of existence. And if Kami dies, the dragon balls turn to stone, and Shenron can't manipulate that. Well he could, but he is a pure hearted being, and he wouldn't. So then this thread is a stalemate.

As a pure hearted being he wouldn't (even if he could for the sake of argument we'll go ahead and assume he could) teach someone how to manipulate reality unless they were a pure hearted being. And a pure hearted being would not by choice use his powers negatively on another being with a pure heart.

So Goku would not use his reality manipulation powers negatively on Superman.

But there are some obvious limitations to shenron's powers any way. because why wouldn't he manipulate reality simply to be free of Both Kami and the Dragonballs?

Being able to manipulate reality doesn't make you omnipotent. AS there have been pleanty of reailty manipulators of various levels of power within the Marvel Comics. Proteus comes to mind.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So then this thread is a stalemate.

As a pure hearted being he wouldn't (even if he could for the sake of argument we'll go ahead and assume he could) teach someone how to manipulate reality unless they were a pure hearted being. And a pure hearted being would not by choice use his powers negatively on another being with a pure heart.

So Goku would not use his reality manipulation powers negatively on Superman.

But there are some obvious limitations to shenron's powers any way. because why wouldn't he manipulate reality simply to be free of Both Kami and the Dragonballs?

Being able to manipulate reality doesn't make you omnipotent. AS there have been pleanty of reailty manipulators of various levels of power within the Marvel Comics. Proteus comes to mind.

Goku could use reality warping power to make himself stronger then Superman, yet not use it negatively.

And in defense, even a pure hearted being can use negative powers for the greater good of protecting himself.


We are assuming that Superman is attacking Goku, right?

Originally posted by King_Cold
Goku could use reality warping power to make himself stronger then Superman, yet not use it negatively.

And in defense, even a pure hearted being can use negative powers for the greater good of protecting himself.


We are assuming that Superman is attacking Goku, right? OH yes that's doable. But the problem we're facing is CIS.

Would goku do that in character? Being a Sayan and all?

Would he make himself stornger so he could beat up someone who's not a villian?

If anything he'd make himself on par or weaker than Superman. Sayan's liek to fight, especially if its a challenge.

So in all likely hood Goku with reality manipulation powers would wind up in a stalemate with Superman. Because that's the way he would ant things to be. ermm

PC Supes.

His ability to gain new powers according to need would basically match any doubtable reality manipulating on Goku's part.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
PC Supes.

His ability to gain new powers according to need would basically match any doubtable reality manipulating on Goku's part.


When has he ever "Made up a power"

Superman wins due to lack of feats for Goku.

Originally posted by King_Cold
When has he ever "Made up a power" It was a common theme back then to either develop new abilities to overcome obstacles, or use existing abilities to perform imbossible things (see PC X-ray vision...) ermm

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
It was a common theme back then to either develop new abilities to overcome obstacles, or use existing abilities to perform imbossible things (see PC X-ray vision...) ermm Or use preexisting powers in different ways and say its something different.

This has been my favorite example of that:

http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/18.html