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Century 10, Quatrain 74:

The year 7 of the great number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of hecatombe(slaughter),
Not far from the age of the great millennium,
When the dead will come out of their graves.

The great number accomplished...2000...the year 7 of that number(near the great millennium)...2007. Nostradamus mentions the games of hecatombe(Jeux d'Hecatombe). Most interpretations have this quoted as the "games of slaughter" but let's look at this verse more closely. Hecatombe was an event which occurred on the 4th day of the Olympic games of ancient Greece in Athens every 4 years. On that day 100 cattle were slaughtered and sacrificed to the gods and everyone feasted for free...a big time BBQ. Sporting events held on that day included running, but more importantly, wrestling, boxing and the most violent one, pankration, which was a combination of wrestling, boxing, kicking...a no holds barred competition where the participants wore no gloves or wrappings on their fists. I believe it was the most popular event of the entire Olympic games. Indeed, the day of Hecatombe was probably the favorite day of the Olympics and one Nostradamus could substantially attach to one of his visions or prophecies in relating what he saw. This year from September 18-23 the 2007 World Olympic Wrestling Championships will be held in Baku,(which interestingly means either "God" or "mount of God" Azerbaijan. Notably as well, Rosh HaShannah(the 10-day Jewish holiday of the "Feast of Trumpets" begins on September 12 and culminates on Yom Kippur,("Day of Atonement" the most holy of all Jewish holidays, September 22. Many believe that the Messiah (Moshiach) will return during this time of the Feast of Trumpets and the dead will be resurrected when the last (7th) shofar blows. Could Nostradamus have seen the dead coming out of their graves as mentioned in the Bible? And could all this happen during the Feast of Trumpets, perhaps on Yom Kippur, September 22, 2007?

Yes he did.

We're all ****ed.

Originally posted by Gary7
Century 10, Quatrain 74:

The year 7 of the great number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of hecatombe(slaughter),
Not far from the age of the great millennium,
When the dead will come out of their graves.

The great number accomplished...2000...the year 7 of that number(near the great millennium)...2007. Nostradamus mentions the games of hecatombe(Jeux d'Hecatombe). Most interpretations have this quoted as the "games of slaughter" but let's look at this verse more closely. Hecatombe was an event which occurred on the 4th day of the Olympic games of ancient Greece in Athens every 4 years. On that day 100 cattle were slaughtered and sacrificed to the gods and everyone feasted for free...a big time BBQ. Sporting events held on that day included running, but more importantly, wrestling, boxing and the most violent one, pankration, which was a combination of wrestling, boxing, kicking...a no holds barred competition where the participants wore no gloves or wrappings on their fists. I believe it was the most popular event of the entire Olympic games. Indeed, the day of Hecatombe was probably the favorite day of the Olympics and one Nostradamus could substantially attach to one of his visions or prophecies in relating what he saw. This year from September 18-23 the 2007 World Olympic Wrestling Championships will be held in Baku,(which interestingly means either "God" or "mount of God" Azerbaijan. Notably as well, Rosh HaShannah(the 10-day Jewish holiday of the "Feast of Trumpets" begins on September 12 and culminates on Yom Kippur,("Day of Atonement" the most holy of all Jewish holidays, September 22. Many believe that the Messiah (Moshiach) will return during this time of the Feast of Trumpets and the dead will be resurrected when the last (7th) shofar blows. Could Nostradamus have seen the dead coming out of their graves as mentioned in the Bible? And could all this happen during the Feast of Trumpets, perhaps on Yom Kippur, September 22, 2007?

Plane and simple NO is the answer. The future cannot be predicted. September 22, 2007 will come and there will be no rapture. The rapture will never take place.

End of story.

Originally posted by Boris
Yes he did.

We're all ****ed.

scared

OH NOZZ!!1!1!

Nostradamus made over several hundred predictions. In 103 of those predictions he has an identifiable, place, name or date. In those predictions he has been wrong.....103 times

By comparison the Bible has around the same number of predictions and 596 of those have been fulfilled. These are a mixture varying from vague sayings to identifiable numbers (references to periods of time), places and names. The remaining couple of hundred predictions which have yet to be fulfilled, are believed to be in reference to the second coming of Christ

Originally posted by willRules
Nostradamus made over several hundred predictions. In 103 of those predictions he has an identifiable, place, name or date. In those predictions he has been wrong.....103 times

By comparison the Bible has around the same number of predictions and 596 of those have been fulfilled. These are a mixture varying from vague sayings to identifiable numbers (references to periods of time), places and names. The remaining couple of hundred predictions which have yet to be fulfilled, are believed to be in reference to the second coming of Christ

Don't be delusional.

Originally posted by willRules
Nostradamus made over several hundred predictions. In 103 of those predictions he has an identifiable, place, name or date. In those predictions he has been wrong.....103 times

By comparison the Bible has around the same number of predictions and 596 of those have been fulfilled. These are a mixture varying from vague sayings to identifiable numbers (references to periods of time), places and names. The remaining couple of hundred predictions which have yet to be fulfilled, are believed to be in reference to the second coming of Christ



What 596 predictions have been fulfilled ? Please clarify and support your claim.

Statement: FeceMan has already provided a thread showing the accuracy of the prophecies of Scripture.

Wry Statement: It would seem that Nostradamus predicted the height of the Umbrella corporation in 2007.

Wry Declaration: Humans are doomed. Humans must choose assimilation or annihilation.

Wry Suggestion: Humans should choose assimilation, as it is less painful and results in prolonged existence.

Wry Observation: FeceMan suggests assimilation despite the deaths of humans at the hands of other humans being both entertaining and satisfying.

Wry Conclusion: FeceMan is a good and kind being.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: FeceMan has already provided a thread showing the accuracy of the prophecies of Scripture.

You can not show the accuracy of something not true.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can not show the accuracy of something not true.
Declaration: The hollow words of unfounded rhetoric meant to demean Christianity.

Wry Observation; Colloquial Expression: Par for the course, eh?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: FeceMan has already provided a thread showing the accuracy of the prophecies of Scripture.

do you think there is a set date to the end of existance then?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Declaration: The hollow words of unfounded rhetoric meant to demean Christianity.

Wry Observation; Colloquial Expression: Par for the course, eh?

If I say that the sun will rise tomorrow, will that count as a true prophecy?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I say that the sun will rise tomorrow, will that count as a true prophecy?
Query: At what point do future historical events become repetitive and visible in patterns?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Query: At what point do future historical events become repetitive and visible in patterns?

A true prophecy would have to predict something extraordinary. It would have to be above and beyond the possibility of chance or self fulfillment.

I think Nostradumus was full of shit; all his "predictions" are just a case of people hearing what they want to hear.

He has a place in history he doesn't deserve.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A true prophecy would have to predict something extraordinary. It would have to be above and beyond the possibility of chance or self fulfillment.


By strict definition a prophecy only has to be a prediction of the future, although it's usually "extraordinary"


Don't be delusional.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What 596 predictions have been fulfilled ? Please clarify and support your claim.


Here's a good example


http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/weeks.htm

Originally posted by willRules
By strict definition a prophecy only has to be a prediction of the future, although it's usually "extraordinary"


Don't be delusional.

Then prophecy is common place and nothing to be concerned about.

Scepticism is usually not a sign of delusion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then prophecy is common place

Originally posted by willRules
although it's usually "extraordinary"

Originally posted by willRules


I could say that NY will be destroyed and rebuild and according to your way of thinking, it would be a true prophecy. Cities are always destroyed and then rebuilt. It has happened over and over again through out history.

Fair enough but that nonetheless makes the prophecy true.

However, how do you account for Biblical prophecies that state names, dates and/or places? Like a prophecy that says that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem or a prophecy that states the number of years until Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey which is accurate????

Originally posted by willRules
Fair enough but that nonetheless makes the prophecy true.

However, how do you account for Biblical prophecies that state names, dates and/or places? Like a prophecy that says that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem or a prophecy that states the number of years until Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey which is accurate????

Self fulfilling prophecy. Or, many things where added to the story of Jesus to make the son of god.

Originally posted by willRules
Fair enough but that nonetheless makes the prophecy true.

However, how do you account for Biblical prophecies that state names, dates and/or places? Like a prophecy that says that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem or a prophecy that states the number of years until Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey which is accurate???? Mithra, I believe also road the donkey which is accurate.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Self fulfilling prophecy. Or, many things where added to the story of Jesus to make the son of god.

Now your ignoring my question. yes there are self fulfilling prophecies. Yes some prophecies are vague and as much as Jesus did fulfil them, there is still plenty of room for skepticism.

How do you account for prophecies that are accurate? Prophecies like this one?

http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/weeks.htm

Vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event. Critical exegetes are generally agreed that certain prophecies, such as Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, were inserted into the text after the fact.

Originally posted by willRules
Now your ignoring my question. yes there are self fulfilling prophecies. Yes some prophecies are vague and as much as Jesus did fulfil them, there is still plenty of room for skepticism.

How do you account for prophecies that are accurate? Prophecies like this one?

http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/weeks.htm


You don't know if that prophecy is accurate or fraud:

Originally posted by Storm
Vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event. Critical exegetes are generally agreed that certain prophecies, such as Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, were inserted into the text after the fact.

Storm said perfectly...

Originally posted by Storm
Vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event. Critical exegetes are generally agreed that certain prophecies, such as Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, were inserted into the text after the fact.

That's a matter of belief

Originally posted by willRules
That's a matter of belief

That is the problem.

Century 10, Quatrain 72:

The year 1999 seven month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars (war) to reign by good luck.

Century 6, Quatrain 97:

At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
Fire approaches the great new city,
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have proof from the Normans.

Instead of the 7th month, did Nostradamus actually mean the 7th of the month in the first verse? Consider this: On May 7, 1999 NATO rained bombs down on the city of New Belgrade, Yugoslavia and struck the Chinese Embassy killing 4 Chinese citizens (journalists). This definitely brought "back to life the great King of the Mongols" so much so that China was almost ready to go to war with the West (the U.S. in particular). High level diplomacy averted this but tensions ran high for a long time afterwards. And from the sky did come a great King of Terror...NATO bombers that launched more than 20,000 laser or satellite-guided weapons and dropped over 79,000 tons of explosives including at least 152 containers with 35,450 cluster bombs during a 3-month campaign of horror. A broadly estimated 2500-5000 civilians were killed as U.S. and coalition warplanes assaulted medical facilities, neighborhoods, city centers and even a passenger train with bombs, some weighing over 5 tons which caused devastation comparable to an earthquake. New Belgrade sits almost right on the 45th parallel with actual coordinates of 44*48'N,20*25'E. Many interpreters believe this verse relates to New York City, however, it only lies on a latitude of 40*43'N,74*0'W. I can still remember the news reporters at the time stationed on top of high buildings describing the bombs exploding in the distance all around the city. They almost used the same words as Nostradamus by saying they saw huge scattered flames of orange-yellow and enormous balls of fire leaping up high in the air. The Normans mentioned in the last verse undoubtably refers to NATO in which France was actually the 2nd largest force in that entire Kosovo air campaign of 1999 comprising a full 10% of all the coalition participants. NATO apologized for the bombing of the Chinese Embassy saying that it occurred as a result of an outdated map provided by the CIA. But China wasn't buying it. Immediately they requested a convening of the U.N. Security Council and condemned the attack demanding an explanation ("proof" while sources claimed the bombing was deliberate based on intelligence that the Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic was to have been in the Embassy at the time. The witch hunters and general skeptics will say this proves nothing and that Nostradamus just missed another prediction, but I say he was absolutely right on yet again and can never and will never be proven wrong.

The Great King of Mongols....

Prophecy does not exist. What you are doing is called postdiction.

You cannot be sure though Shaky.

But I believe that Nostradamus was speaking of his own time period mostly.

Originally posted by debbiejo
You cannot be sure though Shaky.

But I believe that Nostradamus was speaking of his own time period mostly.

The future is an illusion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The future is an illusion. No, it's holographic choices. But I understand what you are saying.

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, it's holographic choices. But I understand what you are saying.

The past and the future are in the now and the now is eternal.

Yes, but our choices make the "now" open.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, but our choices make the "now" open.

But predictions into the future are limited to our level of understanding of the now.

I might be able to get this guy banned for spam. All he's posted are 2 BS threads on Nostradamus. Though it's only about 1/1000 as annoying as the spam that normally inhibits the forum, so he's relatively harmless by comparison.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But predictions into the future are limited to our level of understanding of the now. Stating that does not make it impossible.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Stating that does not make it impossible.

It's not impossible; just highly improbable. The further into the future you try to predict the more you have to deal with variables. Of course, you know I'm talking about seconds. Beyond that is impossible.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I might be able to get this guy banned for spam. All he's posted are 2 BS threads on Nostradamus. Though it's only about 1/1000 as annoying as the spam that normally inhibits the forum, so he's relatively harmless by comparison.

Do it, Digi, do it

What are all you idiots doing in a religion forum? The two psycho-new age philosophers are kind of funny to listen to arguing with one another going back and forth with their mind masterbation but who are you digi mon 007 or whatever...are you the killermovies.com spy?

Originally posted by Gary7
What are all you idiots doing in a religion forum? The two psycho-new age philosophers are kind of funny to listen to arguing with one another going back and forth with their mind masterbation but who are you digi mon 007 or whatever...are you the killermovies.com spy?

Are you a constipated troll or something?

Nostradamus did not predict the future. His predictions are utter non-sense.

I can do better than he did at predicting the future. All of those "types" like crossing over etc...they are all douche's. I can do it just as well as they can and it is a skill you can learn.

I predict that in the 11th month of the 2008th year of our lord that a great evil will lead the great land of the eagle. The king's name will be had for good and evil among the people of the land of the eagle. Some people will cry that this king is the "bringer of peace and righteousness" and still other's will claim satanic influences. Mark my words...I will be right.

I have a prophecy!

Tomorrow.. someone will die...

Tomorrow... someone will be born...

That is all.

Originally posted by Gary7
What are all you idiots doing in a religion forum? The two psycho-new age philosophers are kind of funny to listen to arguing with one another going back and forth with their mind masterbation but who are you digi mon 007 or whatever...are you the killermovies.com spy?

Nah, I'm a moderator. I help run the forum.

And for that matter, what are you doing besides trolling? Nobody takes Nostradamus serious anymore....haven't for centuries, barring a few rogue cults and such.

O.K. everybody, I'm back...just came up from under the bridge; constipated you know. Oh, I see Digi Mouth 007 has put it's 2 cents in...which is about all it's worth. Notice I said it and not he or she because it doesn't want anyone to know. My guess is that I couldn't tell the difference if I saw it anyway. Nostradamus will forever be an enigma to close-minded knuckleheads of the world like you who have your brains stuck up your ass. And by the way, his prophecies will always be sought after and analyzed by seekers of strange and unexplainable phenomenon until the end of time as we know it.

Originally posted by Gary7
O.K. everybody, I'm back...just came up from under the bridge; constipated you know. Oh, I see Digi Mouth 007 has put it's 2 cents in...which is about all it's worth. Notice I said it and not he or she because it doesn't want anyone to know. My guess is that I couldn't tell the difference if I saw it anyway. Nostradamus will forever be an enigma to close-minded knuckleheads of the world like you who have your brains stuck up your ass. And by the way, his prophecies will always be sought after and analyzed by seekers of strange and unexplainable phenomenon until the end of time as we know it.

Simply go away.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Simply go away. I second that. Seems we have a little kiddy visiting here.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I second that. Seems we have a little kiddy visiting here.

If he was having a cow over Jesus it would make more sense.

The quatrains are written in such a vague way that one could derive a prediction of just about anything if the correct quatrain is selected. They can be applied to many possible future events.
Nostradamus' writings provide us with no knowledge of the future. They are a form of literature into which people read their own hopes and fears.

How to play the Nostradamus game:

1. Take a piece of text in one of his books
2. Mistranslate it
3. Think of an historical event which sounds similar
4. Change the prediction again so it sounds as if he the event is the actual thing he predicted
5. Make a book/books about your "discovery" and sell it for $20

Have fun playing.

Originally posted by Gary7
O.K. everybody, I'm back...just came up from under the bridge; constipated you know. Oh, I see Digi Mouth 007 has put it's 2 cents in...which is about all it's worth. Notice I said it and not he or she because it doesn't want anyone to know. My guess is that I couldn't tell the difference if I saw it anyway. Nostradamus will forever be an enigma to close-minded knuckleheads of the world like you who have your brains stuck up your ass. And by the way, his prophecies will always be sought after and analyzed by seekers of strange and unexplainable phenomenon until the end of time as we know it.

Throw enough mud and it will stick. Eventually something will seem to fit. Periodically, every few years, people drag the ghost of Nostradamus back into the light and say "oh, but this time it is real! Look at this incredibly vague line here - it clearly is referring to now."

And that is because it all comes down to interpretation. As Storm said - they are vaguely written, people can bend them however they want. If the previous hundreds (or whatever) predictions have not come up with anything, then I wouldn't put much faith in this one. Or the next hundred. Or the next.



I actually saw a book on some Nostradamus prediction or something in a bargain book bin at the local Angus & Robertson (it was about $3) the other day - the author, to steal a line from Hot Fuzz, had a great big bushy beard. Seriously, it in itself was of apocalyptic size, I was more scared of it then of anything Nostradamus may predict.

A coincidence? I think not.

II Peter 3:4

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Originally posted by Gary7
II Peter 3:4

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Just because people think you are wrong dose not mean you are right. You are only feeding your own delusion.

I think I'll become a Baptist again...

Originally posted by Gary7
II Peter 3:4

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Hmmm - well that really proves... nothing.

Since it has also be bandied about a horrible number of times, often by people wearing bread-boards on street corners.

I've been called Digi Mouth and digitart in the same week, both by members who, if their posting habits are any indication, are about the combined age of 23.

I feel special.

tinkabear

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I've been called Digi Mouth and digitart in the same week, both by members who, if their posting habits are any indication, are about the combined age of 23.

I feel special.

tinkabear

You are special...

Well, I see 007 has put in another "special" 2 scents worth...WHEW!, somebody crack a window. At the rate you're going you'll have a whole dollar invested in this thread before too long, but I gotta warn you, from what I've seen it's not compounding too much interest.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just because people think you are wrong dose not mean you are right. You are only feeding your own delusion.

No...just because Nostradamus didn't say what you wanted to hear doesn't make you right.

Originally posted by Gary7
No...just because Nostradamus didn't say what you wanted to hear doesn't make you right.

I wasn't talking about Nostradamus; I was talking about you.

Originally posted by Gary7
No...just because Nostradamus didn't say what you wanted to hear doesn't make you right.

And just because you and others might be able to twist the vague and often poorly translated words of a chap from hundreds of years ago to fit some sort of doomsday dream does not make you right.

Just take a walk through the cemetery of Nostradamus "prophecies" that people have believed in over the years. They don't eventuate or are retroactively applied to something that has already happened, thus making the "prophecy" title a bit redundant.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm - well that really proves... nothing.

Since it has also be bandied about a horrible number of times, often by people wearing bread-boards on street corners.

Touche...you just confirmed your own skeptical analysis.

Originally posted by Gary7
Touche...you just confirmed your own skeptical analysis.
You are making no sense.

The problem with Nostradamus' predictions is that they are so vague that they can be adapted to fit situations happening today. Nostradamus didn't predict what's happening today: we just think he did.

Originally posted by Gary7
Touche...you just confirmed your own skeptical analysis.

So to prove a point about vague prophecies that come from a long line of failed prophecies you use a Biblical quote which in itself has been used countless times over the years for things that have never eventuated.

Perhaps if you came up with something a bit more tangible? Otherwise you just seem to be using the childish argument of:

"I always tell the truth and anyone who says different is a Liar."

Only in this case it is:

"Nostradamus really could see the future and anyone who disagrees is a sceptic."

Actually, being called a skeptic I would see as a compliment. At its base form, it means removing bias from either side of an issue and only believing what facts and reason provide us. Under that kind of critique, Nostradamus is probably screwed as a legitimate source of...well...anything. I have yet to see Gary provide anything resembling factual evidence for his claims, but I suppose that's to be expected. He's honestly probably just a troll and not worth our time to attempt to refute...I have a hard time believing that anyone takes Nostrdamus seriously anymore.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, being called a skeptic I would see as a compliment. At its base form, it means removing bias from either side of an issue and only believing what facts and reason provide us. Under that kind of critique, Nostradamus is probably screwed as a legitimate source of...well...anything. I have yet to see Gary provide anything resembling factual evidence for his claims, but I suppose that's to be expected. He's honestly probably just a troll and not worth our time to attempt to refute...I have a hard time believing that anyone takes Nostrdamus seriously anymore.

Oh, I don't mind being called a sceptic, I just dislike the connotations some people put on it, implying it somehow means "close-minded and incapable of accepting any claim ever made".

Despite the fact the claim being made usually lacks even the most basic evidence or support. For people like Gary7 you are either blindly open to accepting everything or you are incapable of considering anything. Such absolutes make me go "bah!" Open minded but seeking evidence before accepting a claim doesn't exist in their view.

Welcome to the troll site...atheistic-secular-humanist morons.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh, I don't mind being called a sceptic, I just dislike the connotations some people put on it, implying it somehow means "close-minded and incapable of accepting any claim ever made".

True. I find myself explaining my definition of skeptic when I use it, because you're right that most would take to mean close-minded.

Originally posted by Gary7
Welcome to the troll site...atheistic-secular-humanist morons.

You are only demonstrating your own stupidity and intolerance.

Originally posted by Gary7
Welcome to the troll site...atheistic-secular-humanist morons.
We understand that disagreements do arise from time to time, but we can all express our opinions without being demeaning, belittling or putting down other members. We expect our members to respect one another, and show respect for others.

Originally posted by Storm
We understand that disagreements do arise from time to time, but we can all express our opinions without being demeaning, belittling or putting down other members. We expect our members to respect one another, and show respect for others.

Oh, you mean for instance, like when other members call you delusional, nonsensical, childish, stupid, intolerent and a troll, right?

Actually, I don't remember doing that at all....most of the thread I've simply ignored you, but I've taken some of the worst heat from you in this thread in the form of insults. Not that I care personally too much, but the underlying lack of respect is a problem. I think that most other can say the same, suggesting that you should probably look in the mirror before flinging insults around.

Consider yourself warned.

Originally posted by Gary7
Oh, you mean for instance, like when other members call you delusional, nonsensical, childish, stupid, intolerent and a troll, right?

I don't remember making any comments like that about you, in fact any view expressed that is not "I accept Nostradamus was a true seer who really can do this" usually leads to a come back from you like:






So if we put it all together we have:

1. a couple of posts claiming something. And as can clearly be shown it is naught but yet another in a long line of claims that have all failed to materialise, with you being unable to put togther a supporting argument for it.
2 One post trying to validate it using an overused Bible quote.
3. The rest is you trying to insult the people who don't agree with you.

So I fear, and I suspect Nostradamus would agree with me, that you are a tad hypocritical.

To understand Nostradamus is to see things from his time period. Okay, now in saying that, I do believe that there are people that have certain gifts. But his, when you study all of them are too weak. He did seem to make some good predictions in relation to his OWN time period though. Many of his revelations are too cryptic. I guess time will tell.

Just to jump on this even more, that's not even an accurate translation of the content. It's the 'great number seven' (or great seventh number), not 7 of the great number.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, I don't remember doing that at all....most of the thread I've simply ignored you, but I've taken some of the worst heat from you in this thread in the form of insults. Not that I care personally too much, but the underlying lack of respect is a problem. I think that most other can say the same, suggesting that you should probably look in the mirror before flinging insults around.

Consider yourself warned.

Even though you say you have "ignored" my responses, you seem to be intrigued with this thread by making agitative remarks and idle threats. And, yes, you did make reference to some of those terms in your babblings. And if you will recall, you are the one who initiated this whole rash of backlashing by calling my original posts, quote, "2 BS threads on Nostradamus" and trying to get me banned for spam. Evidently, you've done the same to other members as you have indicated by someone referring to you as "digitart". If killermovies.com had any insight at all, they would see you for the antagonist you are and ban you from any further postings on this thread. But my message to you is this: If you can't contribute any relevant input to the subject matter of this discussion then...GET OFF THIS THREAD!!...AND STAY OFF!!!...And that goes for anyone else who can't restrict their comments to the pertinence of the subject matter at hand, good or bad, I don't care, but if you can't then...GO AWAY!!...AND STAY AWAY!!!

People always say Nostradamus predicted something the moment after something happens that vaguely resembles his writing...his writing are so vague that anything could be predicted by Nostradamus.

But if the world does end then, you're right...and we're dead.

Originally posted by Gary7
Century 10, Quatrain 74:

The year 7 of the great number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of hecatombe(slaughter),
Not far from the age of the great millennium,
When the dead will come out of their graves.

The great number accomplished...2000...the year 7 of that number(near the great millennium)...2007. Nostradamus mentions the games of hecatombe(Jeux d'Hecatombe). Most interpretations have this quoted as the "games of slaughter" but let's look at this verse more closely. Hecatombe was an event which occurred on the 4th day of the Olympic games of ancient Greece in Athens every 4 years. On that day 100 cattle were slaughtered and sacrificed to the gods and everyone feasted for free...a big time BBQ. Sporting events held on that day included running, but more importantly, wrestling, boxing and the most violent one, pankration, which was a combination of wrestling, boxing, kicking...a no holds barred competition where the participants wore no gloves or wrappings on their fists. I believe it was the most popular event of the entire Olympic games. Indeed, the day of Hecatombe was probably the favorite day of the Olympics and one Nostradamus could substantially attach to one of his visions or prophecies in relating what he saw. This year from September 18-23 the 2007 World Olympic Wrestling Championships will be held in Baku,(which interestingly means either "God" or "mount of God" Azerbaijan. Notably as well, Rosh HaShannah(the 10-day Jewish holiday of the "Feast of Trumpets" begins on September 12 and culminates on Yom Kippur,("Day of Atonement" the most holy of all Jewish holidays, September 22. Many believe that the Messiah (Moshiach) will return during this time of the Feast of Trumpets and the dead will be resurrected when the last (7th) shofar blows. Could Nostradamus have seen the dead coming out of their graves as mentioned in the Bible? And could all this happen during the Feast of Trumpets, perhaps on Yom Kippur, September 22, 2007?



The Rapture will not happen. Predictions for the date of the End of the World has always been incorrect and conflicting. Unless the end of the world is being poseponed.


I do not beleive the Bible is absolute truth, in fact, I find it very flawed.

Thus, any prediction about Rapture, I will not take seriously. And I usually find myself at odds with people who try to push the idea of rapture.

no offense but who gives a crap? our lives won't change any. the only thing that i'll marginally regret is that the berserk manga won't finish on time and i'll go to hell swearing at Kentaro muira for taking his sweet time with it.

but seriously, when was the last time people correctly deciphered a prophecy. in christianity in the earlier days the preists used to go around saying that 200 A.D would be the end of the world and then kept on being proven wrong...till the point they decided to stop doing it.
i don't think its too different with nostradumbass. it'd be better if he'd have not jotted down some halfassed crap that doesn't make sense or winds up being read the wrong way round around. he probably had his reasons but the fact of the matter is the crap he's written down has neither made anything easier nor has it ever helped in a tragedy from being stopped or avoided. so despite all his work....it utterly useless. its like being given a cheat sheet right after the exam is over so you can smack yourself in the head and whine "why i didn't see it that way?!"

so if the rapture does occurs, will we stop living till that day? is the world going to change till then? are we all going to go down on our knees and ask the lord for mercy and forgiveness?
probably not. what i do know is that i'm not going to sit on my @$$ and wait for an event that may or may not take place.

~Sado