Sado22
Alright everyone:
I spent the whole day today looking through every KoF game and faq and article i could find. i played all the kof games in the orochi saga and got the whole translated faq of KoFkyo.
my find is:
-kusanagi flames are normal ki flames without any gimick. there is not even a single fact pointing to otherwise and if it is, i'm dying to know from all of you.
-the flames aren't kryptonite to orochi either
-the kusanagi clan specially deviced techniques (along with yasakani) to seal off the orochi menace. to do this they formed a special fighting style that incorporated chinese martial arts and pyrotechniques. both yagami and yasakani mastered and varied their techniques accordingly.
-yasakani neutralizes, kusanagi defeats and yatta seals.
however,
-many years later the yasakani's became the weakest of the three clans with the kusanagi's the strongest, socially as well as in terms of power.
-jealous, the yasakani clan made a bloodpact with Orochi clan to turn the favor for themselves
-the Orochi gave the yasakani GODLY powers but since the human body cannot contain such power, they have short life spans as their body withers away slowly.
-the yasakani flames became purple OROCHI flames
-what they didn't know was that the orochi could control them at any given time. any full blooded orochi can control the yagami's. probably the kof96 outburst of Iori that killed vice and mature was Goenitz's "going away present" since he did say "you'll see" before dying.
-but what seems to contradict is Iori's own quote: "i will never teach the yagami flame techniques to anyone but a yagami" in Kof:Kyo. werent it for this quote everything would make sense. to add to this is the fact that Shermie is one who taught Kyo's cousin, Aoi, the way of weilding purple flames. the term used for them, again, was Orochi flames, and even iori refers to his flames as Orochi flames. so so much for your theory of yagami magatama, darko.
-to me it seems that the orochi power makes Iori's flames hotter and stronger but then why the hell can anyone master it if yagami's could only do it after a bloodpact?! it seems that all orochi's know how to weild purple flames (Shermie being one who taught Aoi Kusanagi) and Orochi Chris weilding them himself. either this or the power is more internal for the orochi blooded people. it goes to explain yamazaki and leona's super human capabilites (leona could chop a tree down at the age of 6!) and would then make more sense. the purple flames, hence, are merely a sign of the corruption. since Iori's powers are his flames, his flames wind up becoming godly in terms of strength as was the promise of the blood pact: godly powers.
and so, i yeild--yagami is not a mere human. seems you were right brain
iori aint a regular human. the yagami's get extra boosts of strength since orochi power is godly but unable to be contained in a human body without effecting it. hence the tell tale coughing of blood and the early age dying.
but the flames of yasakani are orochi flames now. in-game evidence points to it with the fact that Orochi chris and iori's flames are the same. the kusanagi and yasakani both had the same flames, crimson. they weren't unique and it seems to me that this points against the much loved jobbing scenario since both the yasakani and kusanagi flames are one and the same. yasakani merely neutralized orochi while kusanagi's defeated it....but the flames are both the same thing, that is, the pyrotechniques the clans mastered togethered. the orochi blood then combined with the yasakani's to make the flames purple. they became orochi flames from then on. period. there is no proof or evidence to anythign that contradicts this.
but thus far i was right about two things:
-Iori is godtier
-the flames aren't kryptonite
***
Riot of Blood
this is the most complex and weird concept. even now after all the research i'm still confused about it. would appreciate any help from you people.
the low down is this:
in-game Iori in this form gets a mega boost in power and speed. the original description of this is when Iori's orochi blood awakens fully (evidence is Goenitz's comments to both Iori and Leona in KoF96 and KoF97). also in-game we see that it can only be triggered by a fullblooded orochi or an orochi himself as seen in KoF96 and KoF97 kyo/iori/kagura ending when orochi controls him. however, iori did show that he can, infact, fight it as well with great will power (this guy rocks!).
but then there are contradictory bits like kusanagi's also entering riot of blood (Souji Kusanagi entered riot of blood prior to KoF97 as seen in KoF:Kyo and Kyo himself enters it when he does his HDSM in KoF2001 onwards as is evident with his facial expressions, grinning and eyes darkened).
so that much is obvious: it hasn't got to do that much with blood as is normally believed since why else do the kusanagi's, a clan clean off the orochi blood, enter this state.
as far as power is concerned, riot form is seems to be more powerful due to the Orochi blood being fully awake. that explains the increase in speed too. i can't say for sure but Orochi blood awakening is a vague term because what does it mean exactly: that orochi blood is normally dormant in Iori and only awakes in this mode...but it doesnt' make sense as otherwise the Yasakani's wouldn't have made such a pact.
to me since Orochi Iori is Iori in berserker rage, he is stronger in the same sense as a person suffering from such a rage becomes stronger because he no longer restrains himself (guts for instance becomes faster and stronger when he goes berserk). berserk infact means just this.
also "power" and "strong" are terms used in japanese videogames for "fighting power"pretty often. to be more specific, saying a person is stronger than the other doesn't necessarily mean physically stronger but that the person is a better fighter. best example, Ryu's words to Apocolypse in MvsSF: "let only the stronger one survive!"
Ash could very well have been talking about Iori's overall fighting powers. normal iori is a fighting genius who mentally dominates a fight and unnerves his opponent throught taunting and bantering with the opponent. Orochi Iori however is a mindless machine that knows only outright attacks. if we take it from this point of view, Ash IS correct: if Riot Iori is fighting someone more powerful than himself then he is in for a sure defeat because he'll be doing an outright attack. if we look at it this way then it makes the most sense in the world. do you all agree?
so seems i was right and wrong: phsycially Iori may be weaker than Riot Iori but as an overall fighter, Iori is still "stronger". i'm sure everyone agrees to this.
as for what Darko pointed out: from what level was Riot Iori's powers declining from? to me, if we take power literally, then i guess Riot Iori's powers were declining from Iori's normal powerlevel. i'll stick to this opinion until someone has a better opinion.
~Sado
P.S. i expect some kudos for all the work and typing here
I spent the whole day today looking through every KoF game and faq and article i could find. i played all the kof games in the orochi saga and got the whole translated faq of KoFkyo.
my find is:
-kusanagi flames are normal ki flames without any gimick. there is not even a single fact pointing to otherwise and if it is, i'm dying to know from all of you.
-the flames aren't kryptonite to orochi either
-the kusanagi clan specially deviced techniques (along with yasakani) to seal off the orochi menace. to do this they formed a special fighting style that incorporated chinese martial arts and pyrotechniques. both yagami and yasakani mastered and varied their techniques accordingly.
-yasakani neutralizes, kusanagi defeats and yatta seals.
however,
-many years later the yasakani's became the weakest of the three clans with the kusanagi's the strongest, socially as well as in terms of power.
-jealous, the yasakani clan made a bloodpact with Orochi clan to turn the favor for themselves
-the Orochi gave the yasakani GODLY powers but since the human body cannot contain such power, they have short life spans as their body withers away slowly.
-the yasakani flames became purple OROCHI flames
-what they didn't know was that the orochi could control them at any given time. any full blooded orochi can control the yagami's. probably the kof96 outburst of Iori that killed vice and mature was Goenitz's "going away present" since he did say "you'll see" before dying.
-but what seems to contradict is Iori's own quote: "i will never teach the yagami flame techniques to anyone but a yagami" in Kof:Kyo. werent it for this quote everything would make sense. to add to this is the fact that Shermie is one who taught Kyo's cousin, Aoi, the way of weilding purple flames. the term used for them, again, was Orochi flames, and even iori refers to his flames as Orochi flames. so so much for your theory of yagami magatama, darko.
-to me it seems that the orochi power makes Iori's flames hotter and stronger but then why the hell can anyone master it if yagami's could only do it after a bloodpact?! it seems that all orochi's know how to weild purple flames (Shermie being one who taught Aoi Kusanagi) and Orochi Chris weilding them himself. either this or the power is more internal for the orochi blooded people. it goes to explain yamazaki and leona's super human capabilites (leona could chop a tree down at the age of 6!) and would then make more sense. the purple flames, hence, are merely a sign of the corruption. since Iori's powers are his flames, his flames wind up becoming godly in terms of strength as was the promise of the blood pact: godly powers.
and so, i yeild--yagami is not a mere human. seems you were right brain
iori aint a regular human. the yagami's get extra boosts of strength since orochi power is godly but unable to be contained in a human body without effecting it. hence the tell tale coughing of blood and the early age dying.
but the flames of yasakani are orochi flames now. in-game evidence points to it with the fact that Orochi chris and iori's flames are the same. the kusanagi and yasakani both had the same flames, crimson. they weren't unique and it seems to me that this points against the much loved jobbing scenario since both the yasakani and kusanagi flames are one and the same. yasakani merely neutralized orochi while kusanagi's defeated it....but the flames are both the same thing, that is, the pyrotechniques the clans mastered togethered. the orochi blood then combined with the yasakani's to make the flames purple. they became orochi flames from then on. period. there is no proof or evidence to anythign that contradicts this.
but thus far i was right about two things:
-Iori is godtier
-the flames aren't kryptonite
***
Riot of Blood
this is the most complex and weird concept. even now after all the research i'm still confused about it. would appreciate any help from you people.
the low down is this:
in-game Iori in this form gets a mega boost in power and speed. the original description of this is when Iori's orochi blood awakens fully (evidence is Goenitz's comments to both Iori and Leona in KoF96 and KoF97). also in-game we see that it can only be triggered by a fullblooded orochi or an orochi himself as seen in KoF96 and KoF97 kyo/iori/kagura ending when orochi controls him. however, iori did show that he can, infact, fight it as well with great will power (this guy rocks!).
but then there are contradictory bits like kusanagi's also entering riot of blood (Souji Kusanagi entered riot of blood prior to KoF97 as seen in KoF:Kyo and Kyo himself enters it when he does his HDSM in KoF2001 onwards as is evident with his facial expressions, grinning and eyes darkened).
so that much is obvious: it hasn't got to do that much with blood as is normally believed since why else do the kusanagi's, a clan clean off the orochi blood, enter this state.
as far as power is concerned, riot form is seems to be more powerful due to the Orochi blood being fully awake. that explains the increase in speed too. i can't say for sure but Orochi blood awakening is a vague term because what does it mean exactly: that orochi blood is normally dormant in Iori and only awakes in this mode...but it doesnt' make sense as otherwise the Yasakani's wouldn't have made such a pact.
to me since Orochi Iori is Iori in berserker rage, he is stronger in the same sense as a person suffering from such a rage becomes stronger because he no longer restrains himself (guts for instance becomes faster and stronger when he goes berserk). berserk infact means just this.
also "power" and "strong" are terms used in japanese videogames for "fighting power"pretty often. to be more specific, saying a person is stronger than the other doesn't necessarily mean physically stronger but that the person is a better fighter. best example, Ryu's words to Apocolypse in MvsSF: "let only the stronger one survive!"
Ash could very well have been talking about Iori's overall fighting powers. normal iori is a fighting genius who mentally dominates a fight and unnerves his opponent throught taunting and bantering with the opponent. Orochi Iori however is a mindless machine that knows only outright attacks. if we take it from this point of view, Ash IS correct: if Riot Iori is fighting someone more powerful than himself then he is in for a sure defeat because he'll be doing an outright attack. if we look at it this way then it makes the most sense in the world. do you all agree?
so seems i was right and wrong: phsycially Iori may be weaker than Riot Iori but as an overall fighter, Iori is still "stronger". i'm sure everyone agrees to this.
as for what Darko pointed out: from what level was Riot Iori's powers declining from? to me, if we take power literally, then i guess Riot Iori's powers were declining from Iori's normal powerlevel. i'll stick to this opinion until someone has a better opinion.
~Sado
P.S. i expect some kudos for all the work and typing here