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Worked in daycare when I was 19, I had a pre-K who seemed ADHD, come to find out, the parents beat the snot out of him too early in life (he was only pre-K, so not sure WHEN they decided to beat him, when he was crying as a tot or baby???) so much that he was no longer sensitive to rebuke, as he already knew that beatings take x amount of time, so therefore, he did what he willed. It was hard, he was very sensitive to taking directions, if I spoke sternly, he started to rebel and would yell and throw chairs and go wild, he did this with every instructor/teacher, while other kids just went along as told. I felt so much for him, as I understood the entire story and he was just a lil kid, and already at odds with authority, that broke my heart. I am not in the mental health care profession, so I can't state that he was ADHD or bi-polar.


Maybe the mother had a terrible child bearing experience, and took this out on the child starting from infancy, maybe she was unhealthy while pregnant, and the proper amount of chemicals needed to balance the brain was not passed on to the fetus, maybe she drank too much, or didn't take her prenatal vitamins, something went terribly wrong, and now, we, society, figuring out what to do. He's still a person, God. He was passed on from one instructor to the next, and each time, he started rebelling in violent rants, throwing things, hitting instructors, throwing chairs, scaring other kids b/c he would go wild.


Do you think ADHD is a spiritual issue?


We know that light can be energy or matter (please don't read anything into this, such as "she's trying to sound smart", please just add value if you can, no egoism, please). De Broglie's equation states that all mater has wave-particle duality, which means, matter is BOTH energy and substance. When we want to treat disease, we still only treat the matter/substance, we ignore the energy/spirit, do you think that's why the meds aren't working as effectively? do you think it's treatable or do you even recognize it as a disease?

Why not just ask what we think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?

Why the hell do you have to bog it down with all your stupid shit about race or spirituality or gad or good and evil?

Or better yet, is there any form of stupidity and racism you haven't encountered? No one likes the person who ALWAYS has a story to relate. People who do are either lying or exaggerating.

Originally posted by Devil King
Why not just ask what we think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?

Why the hell do you have to bog it down with all your stupid shit about race or spirituality or gad or good and evil?

Or better yet, is there any form of stupidity and racism you haven't encountered? No one likes the person who ALWAYS has a story to relate. People who do are either lying or exaggerating.

I didnt' mention race.

Spiritually is part of the question, if you don't like questions, I don't know what to advise you.

Were you the type of student who would heckle a kid for asking "dumby" questions, just to find out that the kid MAY know much more then you, but you wouldn't have guessed based on the judgement of his questions?

God and Good and Evil, all are part of life, if you don't like that, Devil, you can leave me alone and my threads (in the name of Jesus).


And do have a wonderful day.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I didnt' mention race.

Spiritually is part of the question, if you don't like questions, I don't know what to advise you.

Were you the type of student who would heckle a kid for asking "dumby" questions, just to find out that the kid MAY know much more then you, but you wouldn't have guessed based on the judgement of his questions?

God and Good and Evil, all are part of life, if you don't like that, Devil, you can leave me alone and my threads (in the name of Jesus).


And do have a wonderful day.

No, I never had to deal with people like you in school. We kept them outside in the trailers, with the other mental cases.

Yeah, good and evil are a part of life. But they have little to do with ****ing ADHD, you tard.

It's not a bad topic. You just screw it up by connecting it with totally irrelevant crap!

Originally posted by Devil King
No, I never had to deal with people like you in school. We kept them outside in the trailers, with the other mental cases.

Yeah, good and evil are a part of life. But they have little to do with ****ing ADHD, you tard.

It's not a bad topic. You just screw it up by connecting it with totally irrelevant crap!



OMAN, it's only irrelevant if you find it that way, and you expressed it so delicately, I almost missed it.

What do you think is the root cause of ADHD or b-polar, esp. if meds and talk-therapy isn't working well?

We are made up of matter/energy, wouldn't you agree? And although matter is all Carbon based elements, energy is totally frequency/wavelength. If we are treating behavior with meds (that effect the body/carbon based system: brain/body), and we are sure that treatments for the carbon-based system isn't properly working, is it really that irrelevant to even MENTION the spirit/energy? The other half of our being?

yes, it's irrelevant to discuss someones spirituality when it comes to something like ADHD.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Worked in daycare when I was 19, I had a pre-K who seemed ADHD, come to find out, the parents beat the snot out of him too early in life (he was only pre-K, so not sure WHEN they decided to beat him, when he was crying as a tot or baby???) so much that he was no longer sensitive to rebuke, as he already knew that beatings take x amount of time, so therefore, he did what he willed. It was hard, he was very sensitive to taking directions, if I spoke sternly, he started to rebel and would yell and throw chairs and go wild, he did this with every instructor/teacher, while other kids just went along as told. I felt so much for him, as I understood the entire story and he was just a lil kid, and already at odds with authority, that broke my heart. I am not in the mental health care profession, so I can't state that he was ADHD or bi-polar.

I don't think ADHD is a proper diognosis, although I wouldn't be surprised to find attentional defecits.

Bi-polar, absolutly not.

I think the condition you are describing is called childhood trauma

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Maybe the mother had a terrible child bearing experience, and took this out on the child starting from infancy, maybe she was unhealthy while pregnant, and the proper amount of chemicals needed to balance the brain was not passed on to the fetus, maybe she drank too much, or didn't take her prenatal vitamins, something went terribly wrong, and now, we, society, figuring out what to do.

PPD?

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
He's still a person, God. He was passed on from one instructor to the next, and each time, he started rebelling in violent rants, throwing things, hitting instructors, throwing chairs, scaring other kids b/c he would go wild.

ok, here is my diognosis, seeing as I am not a health care professionsl.

Child is neglected. Child is beat. Child gets attention when they are beat. To get attention the child acts out. Because people give the child attention he continues to act out.

ADHD is not misbehaviour. /sigh

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Do you think ADHD is a spiritual issue?

no

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
We know that light can be energy or matter (please don't read anything into this, such as "she's trying to sound smart", please just add value if you can, no egoism, please). De Broglie's equation states that all mater has wave-particle duality, which means, matter is BOTH energy and substance.

factually incorrect. "wave-particle duality" means that something has the properties of a particle when measured one way, and the properties of a wave when measured another. It cannot be either. Most matter does not follow this until we reach the quantum level where it collapses, and we do not witness quantum effects in our daily life, especially in our brains.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
When we want to treat disease, we still only treat the matter/substance, we ignore the energy/spirit

energy, as described by physics, is a "placeholder for potential action". so ya, there isn't "human energy" or "spirit".

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
do you think that's why the meds aren't working as effectively? do you think it's treatable or do you even recognize it as a disease?

See, here is the problem with ADHD. Its not that it is really common or an epidemic (its not, very few children really have it) nor is it made up (fMRI studies have located parts of the brain associated with it) and it isn't a matter of not having proper treatment (both behavioural and pharmacological solutions have been very successful in treating real ADHD).

The problem is that idiots like you don't know what it is, and then you start labeling children as X, and getting mad at people in the psychologocal and neurological community when too many kids are addicted to the amphetamine based treatments because you keep telling them they need to take it.

Oh, and nobody takes their child to proper specialists. They go to their GP, they tell them what the comercial told them to give their kids, and blamo.

Before you even think about talking about a psychological disorder, look it up in the DSM. Its not that hard, and you wont look like you are talking out your ass.

Oh wait... this isn't a topic about ADHD at all, but in fact a way for you to talk about all of your nonsense spiritual crap and now confuse people even more who have had nothing but media misinformation fed to them about psychological disorders.

I think ADHD by and large is bullcrap. I was told that i had ADHD when i was fourteen. My therapist told me at the time that without medication and continued therapy i may never find a balance in my concentration. However, when i began to make an effort to focus i know longer had ADHD.

We wouldn't see effects of quantum levels in our brain, b/c our brains are mostly analog system anyway.

I understand wave/particle duality. What I am suggesting is that we are both. Remember Niels Bohr, the one who helped us with the atom? The only thing he had wrong was that the atomic diagram of his ORIGINAL MODEL (it's so abstract, I don't discount him for drawing the wrong model, plus that's the only thing he was wrong about, from what I recall, but some of you folks may know better then I, if so, please do tell, as he was one of my favorite scientists). Well, a lot of folks like himself were spiritualist, and he believed in a Bohrian mind, something that the N. Americans described as the great web in the sky (how the minds of man are "connected" in space). N. Bohr was heckled for his ideas about the spirit realm, it happens all throughout our history, technology or new thinking is never as retarded as our own ego, and we live a retarded life b/c we deny things b/c we are too scared to admit fear and then, address our fears, so that's why it took a long time for us to enjoy wireless, not b/c of some grand gov't cover-up, but b/c people weren't ready to see devices work that on a remote level, yeah, part of it was the erroneous mindset of church goers, but, that's not necessarily the church's fault. I've been to churches were the pastors BEG their followers to read, read, and read, but the attendees would rather not and have it spoon fed, who's fault is that? WE are at fault, as we oscillate back and forth, we can't take both spirit and matter at the same time, and we can't accept new ideas very fast.

If you don't believe that energy is the spirit, then that stops the conversation right there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr

(and please don't read race into this, please)...

what i am saying is the obvious, that carbon, a black substance, makes up ALL matter, and that energy (light), a white substance, makes up the spirit (although can radiate at different frequency levels), and I am suggesting that we are made up of both carbon/matter-energy/spirit, I am suggesting we are both and that when treating disease, if the issue can't be resolved with chemicals (which derive from carbon), then maybe the other solution could be energy/spirit? lame, sure, but who knows.

and info on the "Bohnian mind" isn't easily accessed, and no, i didn't make it up.

Originally posted by Devil King

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
(and please don't read race into this, please)...

what i am saying is the obvious, that carbon, a black substance, makes up ALL matter, and that energy (light), a white substance, makes up the spirit (although can radiate at different frequency levels), and I am suggesting that we are made up of both carbon/matter-energy/spirit, I am suggesting we are both and that when treating disease, if the issue can't be resolved with chemicals (which derive from carbon), then maybe the other solution could be energy/spirit? lame, sure, but who knows.

and info on the "Bohnian mind" isn't easily accessed, and no, i didn't make it up.

how does this relate to ADHD & bi-polar conditions?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
how does this relate to ADHD & bi-polar conditions?


Well, if some agree that ADHD/bi-polar conditions are a disease, and the diseases are stemmed from spiritual control moreso then matter/carbon (pharm-meds, too much or not enough lithium, brain chemistry, all stem from carbon), then maybe the spiritual aspect could treat the disease better, but getting science to recognize the spirit/energy world is really a battle.

ops, i should state that every living thing is carbon based...

So... your whole argument boils down to "Think you're okay and you will be." You really should have just said that at the very beginning instead of diarrhea'ing all over the forum.

Originally posted by Robtard
So... your whole argument boils down to "Think you're okay and you will be." You really should have just said that at the very beginning instead of diarrhea'ing all over the forum.

Wow, if I left my self-esteem with you, I may not even want it back after reading that.

I really don't know much about ADHD or bi-polarism, but what if science were to treat energy and have prescribed treatments for conditions that seem to override chemical treatements?

Originally posted by Devil King
Why not just ask what we think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?



Well, why even ask that?

What do you think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?


'Hmm...they're alright I suppose.'

'I'm not a fan.'

'Gooooo bipolar!'

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well, why even ask that?

What do you think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?


'Hmm...they're alright I suppose.'

'I'm not a fan.'

'Gooooo bipolar!'

yeah, not my point. But I'm guessing you knew that.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

I really don't know much about ADHD or bi-polarism

or much to do with science

since you admit to not knowing about it, stop talking about it, and very especially stop criticizing the psychological/psychiatric community because you aren't aware of what they are doing.

dadudemon's post is a perfect example of real ADHD and proper treatment. The situation you described above is not adhd, but simple misbehavior, which retards like you keep telling kids is ADHD.

and then its the scientist's fault when all the kids, whose parents use their GP very much like I use my drug dealers, are having negative experiences with the meds they aren't even supposed to be on.

Originally posted by Devil King
yeah, not my point. But I'm guessing you knew that.

Yeah, just used you as a springboard for my remark.

Originally posted by inimalist
or much to do with science

since you admit to not knowing about it, stop talking about it, and very especially stop criticizing the psychological/psychiatric community because you aren't aware of what they are doing.

dadudemon's post is a perfect example of real ADHD and proper treatment. The situation you described above is not adhd, but simple misbehavior, which retards like you keep telling kids is ADHD.

and then its the scientist's fault when all the kids, whose parents use their GP very much like I use my drug dealers, are having negative experiences with the meds they aren't even supposed to be on.


1. you're putting words in my mouth, i never stated that he had ADHD or bipolarism, that example was placed there expressly.

2. and it's mature to admit when you don't know something, and in asking for an alternate route, that is based on what OTHERS have complained about, that somehow they don't have proper treatment.

3. i never argued against the suggestion that the ones handling the meds for ADHD or bipolarism are probably over-dosages or misdiagnosis. i purposely didn't argue against it, so maybe i should have affirmed or acknowledge it to keep good folks like you at rest.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Wow, if I left my self-esteem with you, I may not even want it back after reading that.

I really don't know much about ADHD or bi-polarism, but what if science were to treat energy and have prescribed treatments for conditions that seem to override chemical treatements?

Was that a compliment?

Those sciences do exist already, e.g. Acupuncture.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
1. you're putting words in my mouth, i never stated that he had ADHD or bipolarism, that example was placed there expressly.

bi-polar disorder, not bi-polarism.

No, you didn't say that he did. However, you presented the child as an example of someone who is showing the symptoms of ADHD (and for some reason bi-polar, which further shows how little you understand the disorders). The problem is, that child is NOT showing the symptoms of either, or at least, what you have described are not the symptoms of ADHD. My point is that, because you and everyone else in society think that misbehaviour = ADHD, too many kids are now on medication that wont help them. Your fault, not the scientists. So now, lots of people think that ADHD is made up, or that the treatments don't work because they don't for so many of the supposed ADHD cases (who don't actually have ADHD). This leads to people a) not getting proper treatment and b) massive distrust of the pharmaceutical and medical industries, even though the real problem is that people are dumb and don't know how to properly raise kids.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
2. and it's mature to admit when you don't know something, and in asking for an alternate route, that is based on what OTHERS have complained about, that somehow they don't have proper treatment.

You aren't admitting that you don't know something. You say in one breath that you don't know anything about ADHD, then in the next go on to talk about how treatment doesn't work and that scientists need to look at it spiritually. At best you are just being cheeky and attempting to keep an "out" to your argument, but you are certainly proposing that you know something about ADHD.

Lots of people are critical of ADHD and everything that surrounds it, as someone who studies the neurology of attention I am as well. There are many false diagnosis, however, these do not stem from the medical or psychiatric community. It comes from the fact that people, like yourself, don't understand the difference between childhood behaviour and ADHD, and then seek to medicate the child because we live in a society where a pill can fix anything.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
3. i never argued against the suggestion that the ones handling the meds for ADHD or bipolarism are probably over-dosages or misdiagnosis. i purposely didn't argue against it, so maybe i should have affirmed or acknowledge it to keep good folks like you at rest.

Again, you are leveling the blame at the people writing the perscriptions.

Look, your GP, even though he/she can prescribe you anything for any problem, it doesn't mean he is all that knowledgeable about it. Think about all the meds advertised on TV for ambiguous symptoms that all end with "ask your doctor about...."

However, even in most nations where medical care is covered by taxation, psychological or psychiatric care is NOT. and it is INCREDIBLY expensive. A proper test for ADHD is not available for most people. Given this, and that most people don't know the difference between ADHD and misbehaviour, people go to their GPs and insist that their child is in need of medication for their disorder. The GP can't send them for testing that they can't afford, doesn't have the expertise to do the test themselves, and is driven by the intrinsic desire to help people. Not to mention that most doctors have many patients and not a lot of time to double check every claim of ADHD.