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Human perfection is something which is basically never out of the media. Eating Disorders have entire documentaries dedicated to stuffy old people trying to understand them. And celebrities get sued for young girls dying. But nobody EVER talks about it openly.

Today I found out that some book has been written about WHY girls (and boys) feel the need to be perfect. What do you think drives girls to perfection? Here are some excerts from it.


Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters: The normalacy of hating our bodies.

Thinness and beauty are prerequisites for perfection, which to today's young women appears to be the only road to happiness. Under that logic, women's bodies have become places where that drive for perfection - however self-destructive - gets played out.

There is a girl, right now, staring in a mirror in Des Moines, scrutinizing her widening hips. There is a girl, right now, spinning like a hamster on speed in a gym on the fifth floor of a building in Boston, promising herself dinner if she goes two more miles. There is a girl, right now, trying to wedge herself into a dress two sizes too small in a Savannah shopping mall, chastising herself for being so lazy and fat. There is a girl, right now, in a London bathroom, trying not to get any vomit on her aunt's toilet seat. There is a girl, right now, in Berlin, cutting a cube of cheese and an apple into barely visible pieces to eat for her dinner.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/041807WA.shtml

Originally posted by miss_swann
There is a girl, right now, in Berlin, cutting a cube of cheese and an apple into barely visible pieces to eat for her dinner.



I found that funny.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Human perfection is something which is basically never out of the media. Eating Disorders have entire documentaries dedicated to stuffy old people trying to understand them. And celebrities get sued for young girls dying. But nobody EVER talks about it openly.

Today I found out that some book has been written about WHY girls (and boys) feel the need to be perfect. What do you think drives girls to perfection? Here are some excerts from it.


Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters: The normalacy of hating our bodies.

Thinness and beauty are prerequisites for perfection, which to today's young women appears to be the only road to happiness. Under that logic, women's bodies have become places where that drive for perfection - however self-destructive - gets played out.

There is a girl, right now, staring in a mirror in Des Moines, scrutinizing her widening hips. There is a girl, right now, spinning like a hamster on speed in a gym on the fifth floor of a building in Boston, promising herself dinner if she goes two more miles. There is a girl, right now, trying to wedge herself into a dress two sizes too small in a Savannah shopping mall, chastising herself for being so lazy and fat. There is a girl, right now, in a London bathroom, trying not to get any vomit on her aunt's toilet seat. There is a girl, right now, in Berlin, cutting a cube of cheese and an apple into barely visible pieces to eat for her dinner.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/041807WA.shtml



This is masochism, as she's doing it to increase her chances in the awe-so sexual competition. So she's starving herself (pain) for sex, and may not be as fertile as women who are fuller or having a "normal" amount of body fat.


And sometimes, women do this to each other too, as it's usually a female that puts another female "in her place" as far as looks are concerned, remember the movie "mean girls". I know that there are supportive females who aren't like this and would encourage a girl or another woman to just eat healthy and exercise for good health.

"There is a girl, right now, in a London bathroom, trying not to get any vomit on her aunt's toilet seat."

You'd think a girl in London would have the common sence to put the toilet seat up wouldn't you?

Originally posted by lord xyz
"There is a girl, right now, in a London bathroom, trying not to get any vomit on her aunt's toilet seat."

You'd think a girl in London would have the common sence to put the toilet seat up wouldn't you?

I found that to be funny too.

i enjoy this part:


" Even smart girls must be beautiful, even athletes must be feminine. Corporate CEOs, public intellectuals, and even accountants must be thin. Lorie, an 18-year-old from Portland, Maine, wrote, "Everyone wants to be skinny, because in life the skinny one gets the guy, the job, the love." A 10-year-old I interviewed in Santa Fe, N.M., broke it down for me even further: "It is better to be pretty, which means thin and mean, than to be ugly, which means fat and nice. That's just how it is.""

I've met mean women in all sizes. And I've seen the best and worst in all sizes.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i enjoy this part:


" Even smart girls must be beautiful, even athletes must be feminine. Corporate CEOs, public intellectuals, and even accountants must be thin. Lorie, an 18-year-old from Portland, Maine, wrote, "Everyone wants to be skinny, because in life the skinny one gets the guy, the job, the love." A 10-year-old I interviewed in Santa Fe, N.M., broke it down for me even further: "It is better to be pretty, which means thin and mean, than to be ugly, which means fat and nice. That's just how it is.""

I've met mean women in all sizes. And I've seen the best and worst in all sizes.

"10-year-old", that part is key.

Originally posted by Robtard
"10-year-old", that part is key.


yup, being a good role model for the young ones. food's over-rated, have you had any of that stuff lately? air and water seems to satisfy both dull and sharp pangs/cravings, what's a girl doing, going around craving an appetite, who does she think she is? And worse, feeding into it. Gotta teach'm girls early!

Originally posted by miss_swann
There is a girl, right now, in Berlin, cutting a cube of cheese and an apple into barely visible pieces to eat for her dinner.


Unlikely, it's 1 in the morning.


Then again Berlin is a big city.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Unlikely, it's 1 in the morning.


Then again Berlin is a big city.

Why are you awake, the smell of thinly sliced cheese wake you?

Originally posted by Robtard
Why are you awake, the smell of thinly sliced cheese wake you? I don't sleep.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't sleep.

Don't be silly, all large, semi-intelligent, smelly beast sleep; usually in their own feces too.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be silly, all large, semi-intelligent, smelly beast sleep; usually in their own feces too. I make other people sleep in my feces.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I make other people sleep in my feces.

I question the amount of actual "sleeping" that takes place.

One thing I don't get about Belemia and Annorexia is that girls do it to better their appearance, right? Every case I've seen the girl looked worse after Annorexia or Belemia than before.

Anorexia DOES make you look better. Bulimia on the other hand doesn't because your teeth go funny. But Bulimics purge because they don't have enough will power to starve so it's as close as they can get to anorexia.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better. Bulimia on the other hand doesn't because your teeth go funny. But Bulimics purge because they don't have enough will power to starve so it's as close as they can get to anorexia. "Better" being this objective term ...

I think it is hard for girls specially and some boys to go alittle overboard on making our bodys perfect.In our world of models and thin people who we idol it is very easy now a days to slip into having an eating disorder then before.Why?No idea.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I think it is hard for girls specially and some boys to go alittle overboard on making our bodys perfect.In our world of models and thin people who we idol it is very easy now a days to slip into having an eating disorder then before.Why?No idea.jm

...

Y-you answered the why.

Originally posted by miss_swann
There is a girl, right now, spinning like a hamster on speed in a gym on the fifth floor of a building in Boston, promising herself dinner if she goes two more miles.

I have to admit - I am curious as to what exercises this is, it sounds like running, crossed with one of those spinning things they use when training Astronauts.

Originally posted by miss_swann
There is a girl, right now, trying to wedge herself into a dress two sizes too small in a Savannah shopping mall,

There are only 3 malls in Savannah. Abercorn Commons, Oglethorpe Mall, and Savannah Mall. Which one was it?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better.

False.

This thread's a "lol".

Originally posted by botankus
There are only 3 malls in Savannah. Abercorn Commons, Oglethorpe Mall, and Savannah Mall. Which one was it?

If we knew we could go and offer valuable wisdom about beauty only being skin deep.

Or laugh and point, whichever takes ones fancy.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better. Bulimia on the other hand doesn't because your teeth go funny. But Bulimics purge because they don't have enough will power to starve so it's as close as they can get to anorexia.

As noted by the German swine, "better looking" is objective*. Anorexia is unhealthy, it's basically outright starving yourself; that isn't good for you, your body needs nutrients and vitamins. Starving deprives you of these and it also is especially harmful to your digestive tract in the long term. Seriously, don't by into that nonsense of starving yourself for beauty.

If you want to lose weight to "look better", go on a proper diet and regulate what you eat and the amount of calorie you take in; eat healthy foods.

* Marilyn Monroe was around a size 12; she used to go down a few sizes for movies (her method was colonics), but still she was considered a "sex symbol", by today's standards though, she'd be "overweight" and not sexy.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=386074&highlight=title%3A%28Eating+Disorders%29

Originally posted by Robtard
As noted by the German swine, "better looking" is objective

I-isn't.

let me just say that both bulemia and annorexia are terrible. Its good so many can laugh about it .

What I've always found interesting is how prevelent curvy and full bodied women are in pornography and mens magazines, however, in womens magazine's, the chicks are thin as a rail.

There seems to be a total disconnect between what men find sexually attractive and what is being dictated through female oriented publications as sexually attractive.

The same phenomena is being seen in mens publications where huge muscly bulging men are being shown as sex gods, whereas women will normally be more physically attracted to smaller (but still buff) men. Disorders where an individual has a misconception about their body image are called "body dismorphic disorders", and until recently had been almost unheard of in men. Steroid use is up very much because many men are now suffering from a BDD, and feeling they are too weak and feeble. .

Originally posted by Bardock42
I-isn't.

I m-meant "subjective".

Originally posted by Robtard
I m-meant "subjective". Oh...I just figured you were a moron.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh...I just figured you were a moron.

Only the good half.

Does anyone think it's even slightly strange that the woman who has written this book has NEVER had an ED?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Does anyone think it's even slightly strange that the woman who has written this book has NEVER had an ED? W-what's an ED?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Does anyone think it's even slightly strange that the woman who has written this book has NEVER had an ED?

No... One can study something without ever experiencing it themselves. Though, it would give her more credibility if she were an ex-vomiter.

Originally posted by Bardock42
W-what's an ED?

Eating Disorder, moron.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Does anyone think it's even slightly strange that the woman who has written this book has NEVER had an ED?

I'd venture most people studying aids don't have the disease

While it may intuitively seem like it would be good for someone to have that background (and in some ways they may have important perspectives that people without an ED wouldn't have), people have a notorious way of being very biased when it comes to things that they are emotionally involved with.

The further extension of this is that, in a scientific sense, it wouldn't matter, since proper and good research will yeild the same results regardless of the background of the person doing it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Eating Disorder, moron. **** you, *******, I was going through all EDs on dictionary.com

I should use ****ing urban dictionary in the future, it's just better.

Originally posted by Bardock42
**** you, *******, I was going through all EDs on dictionary.com

I should use ****ing urban dictionary in the future, it's just better.

In reality, "ED" is Erectile Dysfunction, I am sure you're well versed in that disorder though, Mr. Softy.

You really should have used your large bulbous head to figure what she meant by "ED" though, considering the thread start mentions "Eating Disorder".

P.S. **** YOU TOO!

Originally posted by inimalist
I'd venture most people studying aids don't have the disease


AIDS and Anorexia are at two totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to research. A cure could be found for AIDS but ana is a mental disorder which happens to affect your body. You can't understand it until you've experienced it.

Originally posted by Robtard
In reality, "ED" is Erectile Dysfunction, I am sure you're well versed in that disorder though, Mr. Softy.

You really should have used your large bulbous head to figure what she meant by "ED" though, considering the thread start mentions "Eating Disorder".

P.S. **** YOU TOO! Mr. Softy? Is that one of those ironic nicknames?

Originally posted by miss_swann
AIDS and Anorexia are at two totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to research. A cure could be found for AIDS but ana is a mental disorder which happens to affect your body. You can't understand it until you've experienced it.

I-is that true? (it isn't)

Originally posted by Bardock42

I-is that true? (it isn't) If it isn't true then why don't you tell me who anorexic minds work?

Originally posted by miss_swann
If it isn't true then why don't you tell me who anorexic minds work?

How should I know?

If you gimme the money I will start a study and look into the subject for a few years though and get back to you about it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Mr. Softy? Is that one of those ironic nicknames?



Depends, is your penis in a constant state of limpness?

Originally posted by Robtard
Depends, is your penis in a constant state of limpness?

Y-yeah, though I feel that is rather personal.

Originally posted by miss_swann
AIDS and Anorexia are at two totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to research. A cure could be found for AIDS but ana is a mental disorder which happens to affect your body. You can't understand it until you've experienced it.

Schizophrenia is a mental disorder, yet non-schizos study and understand the disorder to a degree. The list goes on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Y-yeah, though I feel that is rather personal.

German, please... you've admitted your desires for "power-bottoming" on here before.

Originally posted by Robtard
German, please... you've admitted your desires for "power-bottoming" on here before. Obviously my definition of personal is not congruent with yours.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Obviously my definition of personal is not congruent with yours.

That can be easily rectified, change your opinions to mimic mine; we'll be congrous.

Originally posted by Robtard
That can be easily rectified, change your opinions to mimic mine; we'll be congrous. Deal.

Originally posted by Robtard
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder, yet non-schizos study and understand the disorder to a degree. The list goes on. Fine then I challenge everyone that thinks Anorexia can be reasearch to find an anorexic and cure them you've got seven years... starting .... NOW!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Deal.

I feel like I owe you something in return, to seal the deal. Here, take this:

http://www.wedgiegirls.com/

Originally posted by miss_swann
AIDS and Anorexia are at two totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to research.

no, thats a little off. Research, if done properly, will produce the same results, regardless of who is doing it. Thats the point, it doesn't matter if aids or EDs are similar.

Originally posted by miss_swann
A cure could be found for AIDS but ana is a mental disorder which happens to affect your body.

So you are trying to say that cognitive disorders cannot be cured? (let me go on to say that imho, EDs are the manifestation of other issues, like BDDs, depression, bipolar, ect. The purging is a method of control. This of course does not come from personal experience, but from talking with people and reading good research done in the field).

Because of the "coping mechanism" property of EDs, they become almost impossible to cure, simply because they become a habit for dealing with the stress that people normally go through. The idea that it cannot be cured however is ignorant at the highest level. (actually, even using the word cure with this kind of disorder is very misleading. Psychological "healing" is very different than traditional medical healing).

"mental disorder" is a terrible term. Is it cognitive? chemical? anatomical? genetic?

Originally posted by miss_swann
You can't understand it until you've experienced it.

If by "understand" you mean: "know subjectively day to day what it is like to experience the subjective emotions of a person who suffers from an eating disorder" then yes, you are correct. However, that is not necessary at all to study it, in fact, I would say that it would take much more control on the part of an experimenter who has had an ED to try and be unbiased because of their personal experience when analyzing data.

If by "understand" you mean: "know the causes, behavioural tendencies, symptoms, underlying neural activity and effective treatment" then of course we can understand it.

Anything to do with human subjective experience is still in its infancy as far as research goes, and honestly, EDs don't strike me as being nearly as difficult of a nut to crack as schitzophrenia or DID (dissasociative interpersonal disorder ).

Originally posted by miss_swann
Fine then I challenge everyone that thinks Anorexia can be reasearch to find an anorexic and cure them you've got seven years... starting .... NOW! You are an idiot, aren't you?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Fine then I challenge everyone that thinks Anorexia can be reasearch to find an anorexic and cure them you've got seven years... starting .... NOW!

Not all mental disorders can be cured, a reason why we have 'mental wards', to keep the loonies in place; out of harms way.

There are ex-anorexia sufferers though, people have been "cured" of the disease.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Fine then I challenge everyone that thinks Anorexia can be reasearch to find an anorexic and cure them you've got seven years... starting .... NOW!

1) anorexia cannot be "cured" in the classic sense

2) a person cannot be treated for a psychological problem without the desire to (re: the anorexic would have to come to me seeking help for anything to be remotely helpful)

3) not currently having a "treatment" does not indicate that we can never find a treatment. Not meeting an arbitrary timeline does not mean that we can never find a treatment.

4) and since you are so up to date on the research in the field (re: lol at you), I'll post this stuff for everyone else's benefit:

Which elements in the treatment of eating disorders are necessary 'ingredients' in the recovery process?-A comparison between the patient's and therapist's view.

BACKGROUND: Little is known about which therapeutic 'ingredients' in the treatment of eating disorders (anorexia nervosa (AN), bulimia nervosa (BN) and binge eating disorder(BED)) are needed for recovery. Remarkably, most studies on this topic have neglected the patient's view.
METHOD: In this study, a large sample of eating disorder patients (n = 132) was invited to evaluate which elements in the treatment they consider to be helpful and effective in their recovery process. These results were compared to the view of 49 eating disorder experts.
RESULTS: Following the patient's view, 'improving self-esteem', 'improving body experience' and 'learning problem solving skills', were considered as core elements in their treatment. No major differences were found between the different patient samples when comparing the patient's and therapist's view.
DISCUSSION: The findings suggest that therapists and patients share more or less the same view about the basic and effective elements in the treatment.

Antidepressants versus psychological treatments and their combination for bulimia nervosa

BACKGROUND: Psychotherapeutic approaches, mainly cognitive behavior therapy, and antidepressant medication are the two treatment modalities that have received most support in controlled outcome studies of bulimia nervosa.
OBJECTIVES: The primary objective was to conduct a systematic review of all RCTs comparing antidepressants with psychological approaches or comparing their combination with each single approach for the treatment of bulimia nervosa.
SEARCH STRATEGY: (1) electronic searches of MEDLINE (1966 to December 2000), EMBASE (1980-December 2000), PsycLIT (to December 2000), LILACS & SCISEARCH (to 1999) (2) the Cochrane Register of Controlled Trials and the Cochrane Depression, Anxiety and Neurosis Group Register - ongoing (3) handsearches of the references of all identified trials (4) contact with the pharmaceutical companies and the principal investigator of each included trial (5) handsearch of the International Journal of Eating Disorders - ongoing
SELECTION CRITERIA: Inclusion criteria: every randomized controlled trial in which antidepressants were compared with psychological treatments or the combination of antidepressants with psychological approaches was compared to each treatment alone, to reduce the symptoms of bulimia nervosa in patients of any age or gender. Quality criteria: reports were considered adequate if they were classified as A or B according to the Cochrane Manual.
DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Data were extracted independently by two reviewers for each included trial. The main outcome for efficacy was full remission of bulimic symptoms, defined as 100% reduction in binge or purge episodes from baseline to endpoint. Dichotomous data was evaluated by the relative risks and 95% confidence intervals around this measure, based on the random effects model; continuous data was evaluated by the average difference and the 95% confidence interval. Number needed to treat (NNT) and number needed to harm (NNH) were calculated using the inverse of the absolute risk reduction.
MAIN RESULTS: Five trials were included in comparison one (antidepressants versus psychological treatments), five in comparison two (antidepressants versus the combination) and seven in comparison three (psychological treatments versus the combination). Remission rates were 20% for single antidepressants compared to 39% for single psychotherapy (DerSimonian-Laird Relative Risk = 1.28; 95% Confidence Interval = 0.98;1.67). Dropout rates were higher for antidepressants than for psychotherapy (DerSimonian-Laird Relative Risk = 2.18; 95% Confidence Interval = 1.09;4.35). The NNH for a mean treatment duration of 17.5 weeks was 4 (95% confidence interval = 3;11). Comparison two found remission rates of 42% for the combination versus 23% for antidepressants (DerSimonian-Laird Relative Risk = 1.38; 95% Confidence Interval = 0.98;1.93). Comparison three showed a 36% pooled remission rate for psychological approaches compared to 49% for the combination (DerSimonian-Laird Relative Risk = 1.21; 95% Confidence Interval = 1.02;1.45). The NNT for a mean treatment duration of 15 weeks was 8 (95% Confidence Interval = 4;320). Dropout rates were higher for the combination compared to single psychological treatments (DerSimonian-Laird Relative Risk = 0.57; 95% Confidence Interval = 0.38;0.88). The NNH was 7 (95% Confidence Interval = 4;21).
REVIEWER'S CONCLUSIONS: Using a more conservative statistical approach, combination treatments were superior to single psychotherapy. This was the only statistically significant difference between treatments. The number of trials might be insufficient to show the statistical significance of a 19% absolute risk reduction in efficacy favouring psychotherapy or combination treatments over single antidepressants. Psychotherapy appeared to be more acceptable to subjects. When antidepressants were combined to psychological treatments, acceptability of the latter was significantly reduced.

/swish

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better. No it doesn't.

Originally posted by miss_swann
AIDS and Anorexia are at two totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to research. A cure could be found for AIDS but ana is a mental disorder which happens to affect your body. You can't understand it until you've experienced it. Is't it just anxiety and insecurity about weight?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better. Bulimia on the other hand doesn't because your teeth go funny.
Then you aren' t familiar with the physical symptoms of anorexia such as tooth decay, yellowed skin, lanugo, ... next to the low body weight.

Yeah, Anorexia is hot. I love that skeletal no-meat-on-the-bones look. Sooo hot. Just think, having sex with them, and a nice rib pokes you where their boobs should be. Wooooo, sexy.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, Anorexia is hot. I love that skeletal no-meat-on-the-bones look. Sooo hot. Just think, having sex with them, and a nice rib pokes you where their boobs should be. Wooooo, sexy.

http://commercial-archive.com/d138bfd7bb6f0663dcc71c6b82557c00/2007/febjpgs/anorexia.jpg

Who wouldn't want a girl that looks like a Holocaust victim.

Originally posted by Robtard
http://commercial-archive.com/d138bfd7bb6f0663dcc71c6b82557c00/2007/febjpgs/anorexia.jpg

Who wouldn't want a girl that looks like a Holocaust victim.

That pic gives me the creeps.

Originally posted by Storm
Then you aren' t familiar with the physical symptoms of anorexia such as tooth decay, yellowed skin, lanugo, ... next to the low body weight. Of course I'm familiar with them. Tooth decay is more bulimics than anorexics. The others are cosmetic and dependant on your own body how obvious they appear.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Of course I'm familiar with them. Tooth decay is more bulimics than anorexics. The others are cosmetic and dependant on your own body how obvious they appear.

Are you an anorexic?

Originally posted by miss_swann
Anorexia DOES make you look better.

No it doesn't! This one girl in my English class, Becca, absolutely beatutiful girl when school ended last year. We came back this year, the girl probably weighs 90 pounds and is just bones, her face is all drawn out, has no muscle mass at all, no ass, no boobs. She looks like an alien. And she still barely eats. Usually only has a salad (no dressing) for lunch....if she eats lunch.

I agree, anorexia may start out as an attempt to lose weight, but it is so much more than that. It really is a disorder, girls that are starving themselves after a while just can't stop.

Originally posted by Robtard
Congratulations, you passed, you're not insane.

I'm not insane? I could have sworn I was.

Originally posted by miss_swann
Does anyone think it's even slightly strange that the woman who has written this book has NEVER had an ED?

Strangely enough there are scholars who can write on ethics evident in police states despite never having been an oppressive policeman themselves, or about Nazi doctrine despite not having been a Nazi themselves.

Or people who can write about surviving cancer or mental traumas despite, get this, never having been through it themselves. I think the way they do it has something to do with a thing called... research, where they look at data and evidence and personal accounts which perhaps, when coupled with human reason and empathy, allows them to have an understanding of what they are writing about.



I'd say that is wrong, what with a persons perception of beauty being a relative thing. There are people who are naturally very light, and it doesn't look bad with them , since that is their natural build and they are balanced as such.

Forcing oneself into a size your body isn't built for (or a size no body is built for) through insufficient intake of food, just on the health effects alone is far to damaging. Poor diet, or lack of diet will affect the appearance of the body beyond just the skeletal look -. I am yet to see any anorexics who prove "anorexia DOES make you look better".

Annorexia does not make you look better at all, take me for example. If I had it, I would have no stomach or musle mass, tho since I have large bones my arms and legs would still be wide, I would have broud shoulders with no muscle on them, and would just look scary. You do not look better with annorexia.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you an anorexic? yes. that's why I don't get this woman writing the book, to me it makes no sense.

Originally posted by miss_swann
yes. that's why I don't get this woman writing the book, to me it makes no sense.

Do you look gross? I mean. Like that girl in the upper picture? Not the one in the mirror, she's kinda cute, the other one.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No it doesn't.


Well obviously I dont encourge Anorexia, but there have been people who have Anorexia and some others that have been bulimic, that have been in more control of it then others by that I mean for exsample, a guy/girl thats over wieght and used vomiting the food op to loose the wieght and then staying on a healthy level while being in perfect condition showing no bad signs which under weight would or not getting all the nessecary stuff the body needs, same gose for Anorexic people, not eating so much until they've reached a pretty damn good shape then staying that way and eating normaly/healthy after.

So in reality I think in some cases it can help alot as far as looks go.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you look gross? I mean. Like that girl in the upper picture? Not the one in the mirror, she's kinda cute, the other one. with clothes on, it doesn't look that bad.

Originally posted by miss_swann
with clothes on, it doesn't look that bad. I guess. If you think so. It is of course subjective. But I prefer if I can't see the skeleton when the girl is naked.

If I wanted to **** a skeleton I'd go to the local graveyard.

Sorry, swan. If I can see your spine and ribs and shit, it's gross.

Originally posted by BackFire
If I wanted to **** a skeleton I'd go to the local graveyard.

Sorry, swan. If I can see your spine and ribs and shit, it's gross. Wow, I would of expected the opposite of this post from you.

Originally posted by miss_swann
with clothes on, it doesn't look that bad.

Seek help, you're 14; and still growing, you can cause serious damage to yourself.

Originally posted by miss_swann
yes. that's why I don't get this woman writing the book, to me it makes no sense.

Well lets look at it this way - just because you are does that mean you are able to write a book on it?

Does just having had something mean you are fully down with all the various studies, sciences, theories and accounts with numerous people from all over?

And to think not long ago, a few decades, it was the fuller woman that was considered more sensuous and sexy. I always thought men liked curves? But even before the few decades, it was the over weight woman that was consider sought after. Hmm

Originally posted by debbiejo
And to think not long ago, a few decades, it was the fuller woman that was considered more sensuous and sexy. I always thought men liked curves? But even before the few decades, it was the over weight woman that was consider sought after. Hmm

Curves yes (Monica Belluci, Salma Hayek), more chins than a Chinese phonebook, no.

Seriously swan, if you're still doing annorexia, you really should seek help, it's not healthy and does not make you look better.

It will make you age prematurely, and rot your teeth, and you'll get osteoporosis. Not to mention organ and anemia problems. When you are older, you'll be in much pain.

All that, and you'll look gross.

It's win/win!

Gross now = grosser and more sickly later. Problem is that they see themselves differently. As fat for some reason. Thinner as better? And for what reason.

This is where the problem is. It's not for themselves really, but how they feel they are viewed by others. It's a self esteem issue.

Annorexic people make us fat people look bad.