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the submariner is wearing his black suit. with that can he defeat the prince of power

No. Herc > Namor.

Originally posted by Photon009
No. Herc > Namor.
Originally posted by hunbu04
the submariner is wearing his black suit. with that can he defeat the prince of power

I read it. Doesnt matter. Back in the day in the Avengers, Namor and Herc were both in water, and Herc was mortal, severely depowered, and he was still far more impressive than Namor, doing things Namor failed at.

Originally posted by hunbu04
the submariner is wearing his black suit. with that can he defeat the prince of power

When they faught as Avengers, it was a stalemate. Monica(Captain Marvel) broke it up

This is a good matchup cause these two have had some hellashus battles in the past but i'm gonna have to say the prince of power because he's too much of a physical force for namor to hold off

Herc. wins. Unless they battle in the water then Namor wins. BTW what comic does it state Namor's black suit keeps him hydrated? I hear that alot but never say proof of it or anything. I ask cause when he fought Wolverine recently he had his suit on but had to jump in the pool to get powered back up.

Hercules Hercules Hercules

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Herc. wins. Unless they battle in the water then Namor wins. BTW what comic does it state Namor's black suit keeps him hydrated? I hear that alot but never say proof of it or anything. I ask cause when he fought Wolverine recently he had his suit on but had to jump in the pool to get powered back up.


Who says he did it to get powered up?

Originally posted by What If...
Who says he did it to get powered up? well he did it right after he got stabbed...i'd assume it was to heal it up...

Namor.

Hercules 6/10.

Originally posted by What If...
Who says he did it to get powered up? I did.

Hercules

Hercules.

Hercules would win, but not easily. Namor can match him when it comes to martial arts,, and weapons skills, but Herc is a little stronger than he is, and on land it would come down to who wears who out first, and I think Hercs stamina is a little better than Namors.

I would say Herc is more stonger than Namor, but namor flight and speed makes up for wat he lacks in strength.
This match is a toss up in any case, just like their fights in comics.

Oh, Namor did told Herc off pretty recently that he is the strongest in the ocean...Hercules did not object.

Originally posted by Priest
I would say Herc is more stonger than Namor, but namor flight and speed makes up for wat he lacks in strength.
This match is a toss up in any case, just like their fights in comics.

Oh, Namor did told Herc off pretty recently that he is the strongest in the ocean...Hercules did not object.

But we have seen Herc resist pressures underwater that Namor couldn't so that could be Hyberbole on Namor's part or just Herc ignoring him or again as Hercules still hasn't been offically upgraded to full immortal, him knowing that at the moment its true?

In their previous fights there has been nothing in it, Namor is faster, Herc is stronger.

Namor has to close with Herc to fight him flying or not and he hasn't had a problem catching hold of him in the past. Hercules has out run a Jeep before and has caught speedsters with his reactions, so Namor's speed edge isn't huge.

All in all, I would say a slight majority to Hercules on land, water however is Namor's element and he would outmanuver Herc.

Originally posted by Hercules
But we have seen Herc resist pressures underwater that Namor couldn't so that could be Hyberbole on Namor's part or just Herc ignoring him or again as Hercules still hasn't been offically upgraded to full immortal, him knowing that at the moment its true?
I figured that was Hyperbole esspecailly since Namor's cousin decked him right after that statement. (i just wanted to mention that )

Originally posted by Hercules
In their previous fights there has been nothing in it, Namor is faster, Herc is stronger.

Namor has to close with Herc to fight him flying or not and he hasn't had a problem catching hold of him in the past. Hercules has out run a Jeep before and has caught speedsters with his reactions, so Namor's speed edge isn't huge.

All in all, I would say a slight majority to Hercules on land, water however is Namor's element and he would outmanuver Herc.
I completely agree

Originally posted by Photon009
I read it. Doesnt matter. Back in the day in the Avengers, Namor and Herc were both in water, and Herc was mortal, severely depowered, and he was still far more impressive than Namor, doing things Namor failed at. Mortal Hercules is stronger than Namor in the water? That's hard to believe.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Herc. wins. Unless they battle in the water then Namor wins. BTW what comic does it state Namor's black suit keeps him hydrated? I hear that alot but never say proof of it or anything. I ask cause when he fought Wolverine recently he had his suit on but had to jump in the pool to get powered back up.


Reed actually made the suit for him a while back. Don't remember the issue though.

FTR Herc for the majority. 7/10

Would be a pretty damn good fight, and I wouldnt be especially pissed if it went either way.

This is a GOOD fight.
I mean, one of the best match ups I have seen.
I really don't know who would win.

Stalemate until it goes to water, then Namor for the win.

Originally posted by Hercules
But we have seen Herc resist pressures underwater that Namor couldn't so that could be Hyberbole on Namor's part or just Herc ignoring him or again as Hercules still hasn't been offically upgraded to full immortal, him knowing that at the moment its true?

In their previous fights there has been nothing in it, Namor is faster, Herc is stronger.

Namor has to close with Herc to fight him flying or not and he hasn't had a problem catching hold of him in the past. Hercules has out run a Jeep before and has caught speedsters with his reactions, so Namor's speed edge isn't huge.

All in all, I would say a slight majority to Hercules on land, water however is Namor's element and he would outmanuver Herc.

i like namor better than herc. herc is ok, but namor is way cooler. this being marvel and knowing marvel who never shows namor any respect... i'd say herc wins + it is his own book. marvel ALMOST always gives the home team the advantage. i hope namor wins. subby is my fave marvel character.

Namor FTW.

Herc on land, 7/10.
Namor in water, 7/10.

the greek guy

Originally posted by jrodslam
Stalemate until it goes to water, then Namor for the win.

And/or Herc wins when Namor starts to dehydrate.

Hey have always been even on land.

I distinctively remember Hercules being called superior even in the ocean.

Anyways, Thor one shotted Namor with a punch, while it was raining and he was hydrated as I recall. Just food for thought if we truly consider "Hercules = Thor".

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I distinctively remember Hercules being called superior even in the ocean.

Anyways, Thor one shotted Namor with a punch, while it was raining and he was hydrated as I recall. Just food for thought if we truly consider "Hercules = Thor".

If i recall, Thor hit Namor, Namor fell, then Thor flew off. The fight wasnt finished. Didnt Thor also mention finishing the fight at another time?

Also, Namor took a hit via sneak attack from Thors hammer to the head and wasnt ko'd, so.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If i recall, Thor hit Namor, Namor fell, then Thor flew off. The fight wasnt finished. Didnt Thor also mention finishing the fight at another time?

Also, Namor took a hit via sneak attack from Thors hammer to the head and wasnt ko'd, so.

Thor hit Namor, and it's stated that the fight is over and the outcome isn't too the Invaders favor. Thor then goes on his way, and says that he'd return for with to their struggle. Either way Namor was down and it was even stated that the fight was over. Namor's even said his no match for Thor as I recall.

A sneak attack to the head? You mean when the mind controlled Thor tossed Mjolnir at him and hit him on the "side" in mid flight?

What's your point?

Im sure this is the scan thats mentioned. Thor hits Namor, Namor falls, and 1 panel later when Thor is flying off, Namor is standing. Thor states he shall return forthwith to their struggle.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7941/invaders3304.th.jpg

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im sure this is the scan thats mentioned. Thor hits Namor, Namor falls, and 1 panel later when Thor is flying off, Namor is standing. Thor states he shall return forthwith to their struggle.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7941/invaders3304.th.jpg

How the hell can you tell his standing? I've heard plenty interpret it as a knock out and him lying down. It even looks like that female is down by the way it's drawn. Well I guess people see what they want to.

srug

Going by the narrator, and that scan, I'd say he was put down in one blow. Attempting to zoom in, it looks like Namor completely out as he grunts in the scan his hit, I cant tell much because of the quality in the panel afterwards unfortunately. I'd say based on what's stated and shown it's a pretty safe bet to say he was out. Especially basing on the fact that Thor had time to make a speech and fly away.

You know, we've already had this conversation before in other threads.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor hit Namor, and it's stated that the fight is over and the outcome isn't too the Invaders favor. Thor then goes on his way, and says that he'd return for with to their struggle. Either way Namor was down and it was even stated that the fight was over. Namor's even said his no match for Thor as I recall.

A sneak attack to the head? You mean when the mind controlled Thor tossed Mjolnir at him and hit him on the "side" in mid flight?

What's your point?

If the fight was over, why would Thor state that he will return to continue their struggle. Namor fell, and Thor flew off. Thats why the fight was over. Not cause Namor ko'd.

The hammer appears to be thrown at the head from behind.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2039/namorfeat367wt.th.gif

Anyhow, this isnt a Namor vs Thor thread. As stated and shown in the past, Namor and Herc have always appeared to be even on land. That will always be the case till either, the fight goes to water, then Namor will have the clear advantage or he starts to dehydrate, and Herc will have the clear advantage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How the hell can you tell his standing? I've heard plenty interpret it as a knock out and him lying down. It even looks like that female is down by the way it's drawn. Well I guess people see what they want to.

srug

Going by the narrator, and that scan, I'd say he was put down in one blow. Attempting to zoom in, it looks like Namor completely out as he grunts in the scan his hit, I cant tell much because of the quality in the panel afterwards unfortunately. I'd say based on what's stated and shown it's a pretty safe bet to say he was out. Especially basing on the fact that Thor had time to make a speech and fly away.

You know, we've already had this conversation before in other threads.

In the scan i have, its closer than whats provided by imageshack, and as Thor flies off, i can closely see the 4 ppl standing. I guess ppl do see what they want to.

Many ppl grunt when they get hit in comics and arent knocked out. As im going by Thors wors, i dont see why hed need to "finish the struggle" if Namor was knocked out. If that was the case, The struggle would be over and there would be nothing to return and finish.

Yea, i know we've talked about this in other threads.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If the fight was over, why would Thor state that he will return to continue their struggle. Namor fell, and Thor flew off. Thats why the fight was over. Not cause Namor ko'd.

The hammer appears to be thrown at the head from behind.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2039/namorfeat367wt.th.gif

Anyhow, this isnt a Namor vs Thor thread. As stated and shown in the past, Namor and Herc have always appeared to be even on land. That will always be the case till either, the fight goes to water, then Namor will have the clear advantage or he starts to dehydrate, and Herc will have the clear advantage.

I'd say to make sure his down permanently. I mean six feet under. He went on to practically a man in that issue with his lighting. It's a safe bet he flew away because Namor was out of it.

So we're using alternate Universes like Heroes Reborn are we?

Well if it's a pure physical contest, it would be at least on paper. Technically it's shown that "Hercules = Thor" physically.

Either way, equal or not Hercules wins in a brawl. I recall him being stated to be superior to Namor even in the water. Even in his own right it's stated Hercules can rock and wreck worlds. Based on that kind of strength, I'd put him in a different class than Namor. Of course those instances were in his interactions with Thor, so who knows.....

If we assume his the equal of Thor. Hercules wins in a brawl, in the land or the sea.

Even based on their own comparisons it's stated that Hercules is superior even in the sea. Based on that, Hercules would win in the land and could win in the sea. In a brawl.

Originally posted by jrodslam
In the scan i have, its closer than whats provided by imageshack, and as Thor flies off, i can closely see the 4 ppl standing. I guess ppl do see what they want to.

Many ppl grunt when they get hit in comics and arent knocked out. As im going by Thors wors, i dont see why hed need to "finish the struggle" if Namor was knocked out. If that was the case, The struggle would be over and there would be nothing to return and finish.

Yea, i know we've talked about this in other threads.

Hmm, he seems definitely out of it when Thor hits him down in the third panel. In the following panel it looks like two individuals are down or lying on angle. Well, sure. The fight was even stated to be short and over. Thor even had time to make a speech, and then float off.

Never said they did. Like I said, he could mean to finish it permanently. Those were during the Invaders day, before Thor was taught by Odin his lesson. He was about to kill a human being in that issue. He thought he was a villain and the Invaders were part of it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd say to make sure his down permanently. I mean six feet under. He went on to practically a man in that issue with his lighting. It's a safe bet he flew away because Namor was out of it.

So we're using alternate Universes like Heroes Reborn are we?

Well if it's a pure physical contest, it would be at least on paper. Technically it's shown that "Hercules = Thor" physically.

Either way, equal or not Hercules wins in a brawl. I recall him being stated to be superior to Namor even in the water. Even in his own right it's stated Hercules can rock and wreck worlds. Based on that kind of strength, I'd put him in a different class than Namor. Of course those instances were in his interactions with Thor, so who knows.....

If we assume his the equal of Thor. Hercules wins in a brawl, in the land or the sea.

Even based on their own comparisons it's stated that Hercules is superior even in the sea. Based on that, Hercules would win in the land and could win in the sea. In a brawl.

Is it safe to assume Thor was also one shotted here? He gave the grunt, Namor flew off, and we dont see Thor again on the scene till a page later and hes trying to pursue Namor.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5232/fight42onepunchavengers.th.jpg

If you dont wanna count heroes reborn, fine. Although it may be, i dont think powersets are changed any.

Everytime Herc and Namor fight, they brawl. They also bring objects into the fray and Herc never shows to have the advantage nor is able to get a ko. 2 times theyve fought in the water, Namor had the advantage. Once when he was immortal and once when he was mortal if im not mistaken.

There was a time while in water, the Avengers were trapped by some goo, and Herc was able to plow through while Namor was not able to, but that wasnt a direct confrontation, so it doesnt prove much besides Herc having more leg power.

This fight happened semi-recently in the Herc comic. And Herc was definitely more impressive before Namora broke it up.

Herc takes a solid majority, IMO.

"Definitely more impressive" meaning what? They were even.

I agree. It would be a stalemate on land, with a slight edge to Namor if he's wearing his hydro-suit.

In water, the result is pretty obvious.

And no, Herc is /= Thor. Never was, never will be.

Originally posted by jrodslam
"Definitely more impressive" meaning what? They were even.
Not really. Herc was casually backhanding Namor into the water and launching him like 20 ft away in the process. Namor basically gave Herc a flying drop kick and Herc was hardly phased.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not really. Herc was casually backhanding Namor into the water and launching him like 20 ft away in the process. Namor basically gave Herc a flying drop kick and Herc was hardly phased.

? Herc Punched him one time which sent Namor into the water. Namor came right back. Casually backhanding?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
And no, Herc is /= Thor. Never was, never will be.

you're right on that score. herc>thor h2h as proven in an on-panel battle and as thor himself attested to.

and herc wins this fight.

Originally posted by jrodslam
? Herc Punched him one time which sent Namor into the water. Namor came right back. Casually backhanding? If Namor hadn't magically landed in the water he very well could have been badly hurt.

Originally posted by Enyalus
This fight happened semi-recently in the Herc comic. And Herc was definitely more impressive before Namora broke it up.

Herc takes a solid majority, IMO. I agree. Herc's punches seemed alot more powerful.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Namor hadn't magically landed in the water he very well could have been badly hurt.

Badly hurt based off what? Les be forreal here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Badly hurt based off what? Les be forreal here. Didn't say he was, just that he could have been.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I agree. It would be a stalemate on land, with a slight edge to Namor if he's wearing his hydro-suit.

In water, the result is pretty obvious.

And no, Herc is /= Thor. Never was, never will be. lol

Originally posted by jrodslam
Is it safe to assume Thor was also one shotted here? He gave the grunt, Namor flew off, and we dont see Thor again on the scene till a page later and hes trying to pursue Namor.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5232/fight42onepunchavengers.th.jpg

Dude, by your own scans and words, Namor punches Thor, and the comic book page switches to another event. We then switch back and see Thor pursuing Namor?

A bit different from a situation, were Thor hits him once, we see Namor fall, and looking out of it, and the writer even says the fight is over? Oh well, agree to disagree if you want. Knowing Thor and Namor are not in the same league and even one as Namor stating his out matched is enough for me.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If you dont wanna count heroes reborn, fine. Although it may be, i dont think powersets are changed any.

Because obviously, the Heroes Reborn counterparts had the showings to put them on the level of the main earth heroes right?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Everytime Herc and Namor fight, they brawl. They also bring objects into the fray and Herc never shows to have the advantage nor is able to get a ko. 2 times theyve fought in the water, Namor had the advantage. Once when he was immortal and once when he was mortal if im not mistaken.

Namor would have the maneuverability advantage, but Hercules level of strength really should be above Namor's class, if we go by some of his feats/showings, but practically all of them, were involving Thor so....

In a comic book, this would go either way really, as Hercules isn't written as Thor's equal a significant amount of the time. On paper? Hercules should be in another league, really, but "comic books > supposed stats",

Originally posted by jrodslam
There was a time while in water, the Avengers were trapped by some goo, and Herc was able to plow through while Namor was not able to, but that wasnt a direct confrontation, so it doesnt prove much besides Herc having more leg power.

I remember that. It show be an indication of superiority should it not? Just saying.

The recent Herc and Namor fight was even...

Originally posted by joesha28
The recent Herc and Namor fight was even... Ya I remember that issue, something about looking for Neptune.

Even if Namor was slightly stronger, Hercules make it up with fighting technique's.

there's been about 6 or 7 stalemates.......until one of these guys can get a decisive victory against one another, then i just dont really know.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Ya I remember that issue, something about looking for Neptune.

Even if Namor was slightly stronger, Hercules make it up with fighting technique's. Namor slightly stronger?

What?

Originally posted by Mindset
Namor slightly stronger?

What? My opinion.

What is your opinion based on?

Herc is certainly stronger....at least on land, not so underwater, at least according to namor(but we all know how that goes.lol):
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg

^ who's the "except me" guy?

Originally posted by Warlord
^ who's the "except me" guy? it's a girl.....namora(who apparently has been reintroduced as namor's equal, either that, or she's just as boasting as namor)

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't say he was, just that he could have been. Originally posted by jrodslam
Badly hurt based off what? Les be forreal here.

You two are like debating rivals.

herc could beat this dude drunk with one hand tied behind his back.

Originally posted by zeel
herc could beat this dude drunk with one hand tied behind his back. i agree

Nope i dont so...Namor is tough

Originally posted by namorsubby
Herc is certainly stronger....at least on land, not so underwater, at least according to namor(but we all know how that goes.lol):
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg here namor claims they're even on land.......and there seems to be no dispute of who's stronger underwater, with herc pretty much agreeing in a round about totally hercules kind of way:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/NamorTheSub-Mariner58e.jpg

Doesn't seem like he's agreeing.

Is that Mortal Herc?

Originally posted by Mindset
Doesn't seem like he's agreeing.

Is that Mortal Herc? seemed much more like agreeing than disputing, would you not agree?


oh, and idk

lol

No, I wouldn't agree.

umm.....alrighty then, that's fine.........how that was in anyway humorous to anyone is beyond me though

I'm sure it is, namorshubby

lol, nicely done.....


just to avoid spiraling downward into irrelevancy, i believe my original statement on this match still will suffice:

Originally posted by namorsubby
there's been about 6 or 7 stalemates.......until one of these guys can get a decisive victory against one another, then i just dont really know.


cheers