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Team 1
Superman
Gladiator
Hyperion
Sentry

vs

Thor
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill

Everybody is fighting at there very best and are blood lusted.

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Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Team 1
Superman
Gladiator
Hyperion
Sentry

vs

Thor
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill

Everybody is fighting at there very best and are blood lusted.
stalemate

Supes is the weak link because of the vulnerabilty to magic.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Supes is the weak link because of the vulnerabilty to magic.

hasn't stopped him before...

if sentry is all he's supposed to be, team one can take it imo... otherwise team two...

Originally posted by pr1983
hasn't stopped him before...

if sentry is all he's supposed to be, team one can take it imo... otherwise team two...

Not saying that either, but he definitely is the most vulnerable seeing how everybody on team two is magic based.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Not saying that either, but he definitely is the most vulnerable seeing how everybody on team two is magic based.

that is true... but he's argubaly stronger/more durable than thor, and he's at the very least equal to adam and marvel...

there's also supes' speed...

Originally posted by pr1983
that is true... but he's argubaly stronger/more durable than thor, and he's at the very least equal to adam and marvel...

there's also supes' speed...

It's not really arguable, in most's opinion. .

And Superman's speed is matchable by the Shazam twins.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's not really arguable, in most's opinion. .

And Superman's speed is matchable by the Shazam twins.

so he is or isn't?

reflex speed though?

Originally posted by pr1983
so he is or isn't?

reflex speed though?

Superman is stronger and more durable than Thor.

And, yeah, I think Captain Marvel is pretty close to being Superman's equal in damn near every way.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion. Eh.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman is stronger and more durable than Thor.

And, yeah, I think Captain Marvel is pretty close to being Superman's equal in damn near every way.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion. Eh.

lol, so why the '' or havent you seen my sig?

i agree about marvel in terms of being as close to his equal as possible, though i think they both have advantages over each other in their own way...

Originally posted by pr1983
lol, so why the '' or havent you seen my sig?

i agree about marvel in terms of being as close to his equal as possible, though i think they both have advantages over each other in their own way...

I dunno, seemed fitting.

And, fair enough about the last part.

Originally posted by Soljer
I dunno, seemed fitting.

And, fair enough about the last part.

it would fit if i was more a thor fan than a superman one...

supes v marvel in superman 216 was pretty good imo...

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Team 1
Superman
Gladiator
Hyperion
Sentry

vs

Thor
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Beta Ray Bill

Everybody is fighting at there very best and are blood lusted.

Team Thor

Team Thor. Sups is the weak link here. However, Sentry is a wild card.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman is stronger and more durable than Thor.

And, yeah, I think Captain Marvel is pretty close to being Superman's equal in damn near every way.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion. Eh. sups and thor are about equal in both strength and durability speed wise i would say sups has the slight edge

Team 2... Gladiator and Hyperion are bigger weak links then Superman in this scenario.

DC's Supermen archetypes > Marvel's.

Team two due to Hyperion. Gladiator as well, but he isn't as weak a link as Hyperion.

Originally posted by lando005
sups and thor are about equal in both strength and durability speed wise i would say sups has the slight edge

Superman is more durable, and faster than Thor.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Superman is more durable, and faster than Thor. eh i'm not sure about that nothing i've seen would make either the clea winner in durabilty

Originally posted by lando005
sups and thor are about equal in both strength and durability speed wise i would say sups has the slight edge

Slight edge? Even if you're going to claim that Thor can move as fast as lightspeed (he can't), then Superman would still be more than twenty times as fast as Thor.

That's not a slight edge.

Originally posted by Soljer
Slight edge? Even if you're going to claim that Thor can move as fast as lightspeed (he can't), then Superman would still be more than twenty times as fast as Thor.

That's not a slight edge.

And

Originally posted by Rorschach
More of Superman traveling FTL

Superman flew from near Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6430/38727228pb1.th.jpghttp://img479.imageshack.us/img479/907/22451647gw0.th.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1128/14363755fb7.th.jpghttp://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6773/10200382ea8.th.jpghttp://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4822/31707425se1.th.jpghttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4962/84216747rs4.th.jpg

= A LOT faster than 20x light speed, btw. doped

Originally posted by batdude123
And



= A LOT faster than 20x light speed, btw. doped

But he can't warp the universe.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=Thorelementals1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=Thorelementals2.jpg

Originally posted by Airwalker
But he can't warp the universe.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=Thorelementals1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=Thorelementals2.jpg

But he can save the omniverse. herbnana

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventuresofsuperman617kq4.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventuresofsuperman617fi2.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
But he can save the omniverse. herbnana

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventuresofsuperman617kq4.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventuresofsuperman617fi2.jpg

Far from impressive. glare

Originally posted by Airwalker
Far from impressive. glare

pfft

Originally posted by Soljer
Slight edge? Even if you're going to claim that Thor can move as fast as lightspeed (he can't), then Superman would still be more than twenty times as fast as Thor.

That's not a slight edge. Not gonna argue with you just stating my oppinion based on what facts i know (thor can move at FTL speeds by the way via his hammer)

Originally posted by lando005
Not gonna argue with you just stating my oppinion based on what facts i know (thor can move at FTL speeds by the way via his hammer)

Thor tossing his hammer and holding on faster than light is NOT Thor moving faster than light.

It's his hammer moving faster than light, while he holds on. It's not Thor doing it.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thor tossing his hammer and holding on faster than light is NOT Thor moving faster than light.

It's his hammer moving faster than light, while he holds on. It's not Thor doing it. that's why i said via his hammer

Originally posted by Soljer
Thor tossing his hammer and holding on faster than light is NOT Thor moving faster than light. However, Thor is moving faster than light if he does so... so...

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
However, Thor is moving faster than light if he does so... so...

But Thor cannot move faster than light, the same way you cannot move faster than the speed of sound.

Sure, you can jump on a plane, but then the plane is doing the moving, you're just along for the ride. Same with Thor.

Originally posted by Soljer
But Thor cannot move faster than light, the same way you cannot move faster than the speed of sound.

Sure, you can jump on a plane, but then the plane is doing the moving, you're just along for the ride. Same with Thor. And yet, Thor is still moving faster than light...

Also, that is Thor's powers basically...
Who else have you seen travel lightspeed with Mjolnir (besides the obvious)?
Can anyone just grab the hammer and go lightspeed? I know people can go on a plane anytime they want. And, Thor actually controls where he goes when he travels with the hammer, unlike said airplane.

It's Thor's way of travel, and it's pointless to try and take that away from him.

It would be akin to taking away Billy's magic lightning that turns him into Captain Marvel, and tell him to fight Superman.
"Billy can't fight Superman, it's his magic powers that can fight Superman."

Which, either way you look at it, is still irrelevant, and has no grounds in any thread, unless it's actually Billy without the enchantments.

And, Thor has his hammer in this fight, so Thor can go lightspeed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thor tossing his hammer and holding on faster than light is NOT Thor moving faster than light.

It's his hammer moving faster than light, while he holds on. It's not Thor doing it.

So who navigates Mjolnir? dontgetit

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
And yet, Thor is still moving faster than light...

Also, that is Thor's powers basically...
Who else have you seen travel lightspeed with Mjolnir (besides the obvious)?
Can anyone just grab the hammer and go lightspeed? I know people can go on a plane anytime they want. And, Thor actually controls where he goes when he travels with the hammer, unlike said airplane.

It's Thor's way of travel, and it's pointless to try and take that away from him.

It would be akin to taking away Billy's magic lightning that turns him into Captain Marvel, and tell him to fight Superman.
"Billy can't fight Superman, it's his magic powers that can fight Superman."

Which, either way you look at it, is still irrelevant, and has no grounds in any thread, unless it's actually Billy without the enchantments.

And, Thor has his hammer in this fight, so Thor can go lightspeed.

I never said that Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to fly or anything. Just that it's the throw - the momentum - the movement of the Hammer that Thor is riding. It isn't under his own power. He can't run at lightspeed, he can't fight at lightspeed, he can't dodge at lightspeed.

All he can do is throw a hammer at lightspeed and hold on for dear life.

.

Which means, if the two combatants start a few lightyears away, the fact that he can exceed C might be useful. As far as an actual fight, goes, though? He doesn't have the reflexes to keep up.

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said that Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to fly or anything. Just that it's the throw - the momentum - the movement of the Hammer that Thor is riding. It isn't under his own power. He can't run at lightspeed, he can't fight at lightspeed, he can't dodge at lightspeed.

All he can do is throw a hammer at lightspeed and hold on for dear life.

.

Which means, if the two combatants start a few lightyears away, the fact that he can exceed C might be useful. As far as an actual fight, goes, though? He doesn't have the reflexes to keep up.

So who navigates Mjolnir? dontgetit

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said that Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to fly or anything. Just that it's the throw - the momentum - the movement of the Hammer that Thor is riding. It isn't under his own power. He can't run at lightspeed, he can't fight at lightspeed, he can't dodge at lightspeed.

All he can do is throw a hammer at lightspeed and hold on for dear life.

. And it's still him moving at lightspeed.
I said nothing about his fighting reflexes, etc. Just that he can travel at lightspeed.
As I've seen his speed be brought up in this thread, in relation to Supes straight line travel speed.
Basically saying straight line travel, not fighting.

On another note, when has Supes been shown to be fighting at lightspeed?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
And it's still him moving at lightspeed.
I said nothing about his fighting reflexes, etc. Just that he can travel at lightspeed.
As I've seen his speed be brought up in this thread, in relation to Supes straight line travel speed.
Basically saying straight line travel, not fighting.

On another note, when has Supes been shown to be fighting at lightspeed?

So who navigates Mjolnir?(I bet this is getting annoying, but what the hell) dontgetit

Thor can only move in a straightline with Mjolnir. He can't turn at lightspeed without losing momentum first. therefore his speed is utterly useless in battle unless it is to be used for him to run away from battle.

However, he can stop at any time, and teleport...
Originally posted by Airwalker
So who navigates Mjolnir?(I bet this is getting annoying, but what the hell) dontgetit Why are you asking me?

I don't f*cking know!

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
However, he can stop at any time, and teleport...
Why are you asking me?

I don't f*cking know!

Sure he can. With his piss-poor (in comparison) reflexes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Thor can only move in a straightline with Mjolnir. He can't turn at lightspeed without losing momentum first. therefore his speed is utterly useless in battle unless it is to be used for him to run away from battle.

You came to this conclusion how? I have no idea why I'm asking as you likely made it up yourself.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sure he can. With his piss-poor (in comparison) reflexes. Well, according to mp, Thor's speed is useless in battle.

Not necessarily in this battle.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sure he can. With his piss-poor (in comparison) reflexes.

I still wanna know who navigates Mjolnir, and would like to see Brans question answered?

Originally posted by Airwalker
You came to this conclusion how? I have no idea why I'm asking as you likely made it up yourself.

how does thor fly?

he swings his hammer in an arc and then lets its momentum pull him. therefore he has to will the hammer to stop and reswing it in a new direction to fly another way.

do you know anything about Thor?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Well, according to mp, Thor's speed is useless in battle.

Not necessarily in this battle.

Or lack thereof, yeah.
.

Originally posted by Airwalker
I still wanna know who navigates Mjolnir, and would like to see Brans question answered?

if you don't know who navigates Mjolnir, then obviously you dont know anything about thor.

read my post above for how thor navigates mjolnir.

combat speed and travel speed are 2 different things

travel speed wise thor is almost as fast as sups

combat speed wise he's slower and less nimble

Originally posted by masterbruce
do you know anything about Thor? Hypocritical.

Originally posted by lando005
combat speed and travel speed are 2 different things

travel speed wise thor is almost as fast as sups

combat speed wise he's slower and less nimble

Travel speed wise, he's still not even close unless you include teleportation.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Hypocritical.

Cosigned.

Originally posted by masterbruce
how does thor fly?

he swings his hammer in an arc and then lets its momentum pull him. therefore he has to will the hammer to stop and reswing it in a new direction to fly another way.

do you know anything about Thor?

He swings Mjolnir at light speeds and releases it. The enchantment than takes over and continues the forward movement.

What relevance does this have to your previous assessment that Thor can't change directions while flying?

Nope.

Originally posted by Soljer
Travel speed wise, he's still not even close unless you include teleportation.

Well, teleportation would be included in travel methods....

Originally posted by Airwalker
He swings Mjolnir at light speeds and releases it. The enchantment than takes over and continues the forward movement.

What relevance does this have to your previous assessment that Thor can't change directions while flying?

Nope.

he does no such thing as his arms are incapable of moving at light speed.

he swings his hammer in his regular swing speed, and after it gets momentum, the enchantment can increase the speed of its travel

Originally posted by masterbruce
he does no such thing as his arms are incapable of moving at light speed.
Based on?

Couldn't Team 2 just start reigning lightining all over team one thus negating supes speed advantage.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Based on?

Based on the fact that he's swung his hammer at multiples of C in the past...

Oh, wait...

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Couldn't Team 2 just start reigning lightining all over team one thus negating supes speed advantage.

Superman perceives lightning as if it were crawling.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman perceives lightning as if it were crawling.


Yeah but we are talking about alot I mean alot of lightning.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Based on?

anecdotal evidence of how artist draws his swings....if they were lightspeed it would look complete blur

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Yeah but we are talking about alot I mean alot of lightning.

Yeah, a lot of lightning that's all crawling.

.

Originally posted by masterbruce
anecdotal evidence of how artist draws his swings....if they were lightspeed it would look complete blur

So when the narration points out that the hammer is spinning at multiples of light speed it means what?

he swings the hammer and hangs on to it and can simply will it to turn in different directions without pause same as when he throws it and it returns to him it doesnt get thrown stops and then goes back it's all one swift motion

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
On another note, when has Supes been shown to be fighting at lightspeed?

Originally posted by masterbruce
anecdotal evidence of how artist draws his swings....if they were lightspeed it would look complete blur So, when Flash is traveling, we can safely say that he's not going lightspeed... ever?

Hell, has Superman ever gone lightspeed then either?

I think Surfer has, although, I'm going to have to look at something.
Here, Surfer is traveling at a speed that defies human description:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/fast.jpg

However, he isn't a blur, so we can say that he's traveling under lightspeed, but, his speed defies human description.
What would that be?

Originally posted by Airwalker


He has in combat situations before, although not directly stated on panel.

Here are just a few examples:

Comes out of nowhere to catch an energy blast from Firestorm after he fired it.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Here's an impressive feat, considering he did this to none other than Flash.

Originally posted by Rorschach
From the same issue

http://i84.imagethrust.com/t/1306134/superman191kebbin04.jpg http://i84.imagethrust.com/t/1306135/superman191kebbin05.jpg

(btw, I really don't know if Rorschach's quote is showing up right now, so forgive me)

Originally posted by batdude123
He has in combat situations before, although not directly stated on panel.

Here are just a few examples:

Comes out of nowhere to catch an energy blast from Firestorm after he fired it.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Here's an impressive feat, considering he did this to none other than Flash.



(btw, I really don't know if Rorschach's quote is showing up right now, so forgive me) that's still more travel speed than combat speed and your second image didnt come up

Originally posted by batdude123
He has in combat situations before, although not directly stated on panel.

Here are just a few examples:

Comes out of nowhere to catch an energy blast from Firestorm after he fired it.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Here's an impressive feat, considering he did this to none other than Flash.



(btw, I really don't know if Rorschach's quote is showing up right now, so forgive me)

Thats light speed reactions? So could this be considered as much as well(I know, but really)?

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=ZThor4.jpg

Team 1 can take a few.............who the **** am I kidding?


Supes is a match for anyone on team 2 1v1, but his teammates are aren't nearly good enough to keep up. Hell, 2 versions of Hyperion got beat by Vision. Granted, not his best versions, but still bad for a Superman-clone. Glads.........well, he got beat by Canonball, Hulk, etc.

Sentry......he just sucks. No feats that put him as consistently over Thor or the others on team 2. I would give anyone on team 2 a majority over Sentry.

Originally posted by lando005
that's still more travel speed than combat speed and your second image didnt come up

Uh... no. The first scan is a combat situation.

THIS is a traveling speed feat:

Originally posted by Rorschach
More of Superman traveling FTL

Superman flew from near Vega to Metropolis in a matter of minutes

Vega is located 25.3 light-years away from Earth

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/6430/38727228pb1.th.jpghttp://img479.imageshack.us/img479/907/22451647gw0.th.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1128/14363755fb7.th.jpghttp://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6773/10200382ea8.th.jpghttp://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4822/31707425se1.th.jpghttp://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4962/84216747rs4.th.jpg

And I apologize if the second set of scans didn't come up.

Originally posted by batdude123
Uh... no. The first scan is a combat situation.

THIS is a traveling speed feat:



And I apologize if the second set of scans didn't come up. that first one wasnt combat he showed upjust in time to stop an energy blast they were not fighting each other and moving at light speeds i cant think of anyone who does at the moment but i'm sure there are

Originally posted by Airwalker
Thats light speed reactions? So could this be considered as much as well(I know, but really)?

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=ZThor4.jpg

I don't consider psi bolts to be light speed. Magneto was able to deflect some away from him before. Also, the bolt was shot right at him, so...

And Superman literally has hundreds of examples of "light speed reactions" (and faster in most cases), but that was just a recent one on the last couple of pages on the Superman respect thread.

Anyway, the second set of scans (that apparently didn't show up) depict Wally demonstrating to Superman a trick where he can move so fast that the after images he creates act as avatars (so to speak) to do his bidding. Then, after that, Wally said he needed to get back to Keystone City as fast as he could, and as he was running away, Superman surprised Wally by appearing right in front of him (and in the process, demonstrating the same trick). Thus, he went faster than Flash did in that instance. It's impressive as f*ck, if you ever get the chance to view it.

Anyway, with the caliber of people Superman fights and how he's portrayed (speed wise et all), he's about as good as it gets when it comes to combat speed under Thanos level.

Originally posted by lando005
that first one wasnt combat he showed upjust in time to stop an energy blast they were not fighting each other and moving at light speeds i cant think of anyone who does at the moment but i'm sure there are and if most battles did happen at light speeds most would be over in under 5 minutes fights would start to look like dbz battles (you know what i mean so dont give me any grief)

Originally posted by lando005
that first one wasnt combat he showed upjust in time to stop an energy blast they were not fighting each other and moving at light speeds i cant think of anyone who does at the moment but i'm sure there are

He came out of nowhere to join their tussle, then saw Firestorm's energy blast after it was fired and blocked it with his hand.

Sorry to say, but that's not a traveling speed feat there, sport.

Originally posted by lando005
and if most battles did happen at light speeds most would be over in under 5 minutes fights would start to look like dbz battles (you know what i mean so dont give me any grief)

The reason Superman doesn't speedblitz every single time is the same reason why Kyle or Thor don't "soul suck" every single time. The comic wouldn't be interesting at all.

Originally posted by batdude123
He came out of nowhere to join their tussle, then saw Firestorm's energy blast after it was fired and blocked it with his hand.

Sorry to say, but that's not a traveling speed feat there, sport. although breaking away from one tussle to block an attack isnt technically combat speed i get what your saying in that instance it would be

Originally posted by lando005
although breaking away from one tussle to block an attack isnt technically combat speed i get what your saying in that instance it would be

You're right... it isn't "technically," but the same logic applies in that instance.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
So, when Flash is traveling, we can safely say that he's not going lightspeed... ever?

Hell, has Superman ever gone lightspeed then either?

I think Surfer has, although, I'm going to have to look at something.
Here, Surfer is traveling at a speed that defies human description:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/fast.jpg

However, he isn't a blur, so we can say that he's traveling under lightspeed, but, his speed defies human description.
What would that be?

if we didn't know that Flash or Surfer were lightspeeders...then we would have to assume they weren't moving at lightspeed unless the artistic depiction showed them as blurs

but we DO KNOW they are lightspeeders so the artist can have more liberties in drawing them

now with Thor, he is never described as super fast, so we can only judge his speed through what we see on the pages of comics, and it isn't very impressive in terms of speed

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said that Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to fly or anything. Just that it's the throw - the momentum - the movement of the Hammer that Thor is riding. It isn't under his own power. He can't run at lightspeed, he can't fight at lightspeed, he can't dodge at lightspeed.

All he can do is throw a hammer at lightspeed and hold on for dear life.

.

Which means, if the two combatants start a few lightyears away, the fact that he can exceed C might be useful. As far as an actual fight, goes, though? He doesn't have the reflexes to keep up.

Superman cant fight at light speed, if he can show me. He cant fly at light per writers, if he can show me in a scan. Why are you all posting all of these superman flying from one place to another IN SPACE when there is no gravity. Space gives a huge speed boost. Show me superman flying at the speed of light on earth. Dont say that he cant do it because of the destruction it might cause because flash has done so numerous of times. Please show me this, then maybe you could change my mind.

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman perceives lightning as if it were crawling.

You think a lot of superman that just aint true. I need for you to do me a favor. I want you to email superman writer and ask him how fast superman can go, i have done so and i want you to try at least one. Trust me the answer your going to get is very shocking. Go to wizard web site, they will foward your email to him.

Jesus Christ, Carver. Seriously.

Batdude has posted Superman EASILY exceeding the speed of light multiple times. And he's shown Superman perceiving lightning in Slow-mo.

As far as gravity goes....I mean, the Earth is pretty big, it's gravitational pull is strong....

But how does exceeding light speed in the gravitational field of A FRIGGIN BLACK HOLE sound to you? ?!?!

Originally posted by Soljer
Jesus Christ, Carver. Seriously.

Batdude has posted Superman EASILY exceeding the speed of light multiple times. And he's shown Superman perceiving lightning in Slow-mo.

As far as gravity goes....I mean, the Earth is pretty big, it's gravitational pull is strong....

But how does exceeding light speed in the gravitational field of A FRIGGIN BLACK HOLE sound to you? ?!?!

He didnt show me anything that said superman went or exceeded the speed of light. Tell me this, why does superman writers portray him moving under the speed of light but fans seem to say that he exceeds the speed of light. You all havent showed me nothing except superman flying in space exceeding the speed of light.

I'll admit that yes he does goes faster than the speed of sound but I would love to see anything that shows me that he even come close to the speed of light. I have read a lot of superman comics and own a lot also and in them it is never stated that he can go that fast. Hell in them it always state that he cant go that fast anymore. Do what i asked you soljer, please, email a superman writer just like numerous of people has done and see what speed they will tell you he can go. I bet you wont get the speed of light. I have already emailed them and have brought this up many of times but I want you to do it yourself since you dont believe my answer.

By the way soljer, im not trying to down you or anything, just going by what i know and I know that you are going by what you know.

Just two different opinions.

Originally posted by carver9
He didnt show me anything that said superman went or exceeded the speed of light. Tell me this, why does superman writers portray him moving under the speed of light but fans seem to say that he exceeds the speed of light. You all havent showed me nothing except superman flying in space exceeding the speed of light.

I'll admit that yes he does goes faster than the speed of sound but I would love to see anything that shows me that he even come close to the speed of light. I have read a lot of superman comics and own a lot also and in them it is never stated that he can go that fast. Hell in them it always state that he cant go that fast anymore. Do what i asked you soljer, please, email a superman writer just like numerous of people has done and see what speed they will tell you he can go. I bet you wont get the speed of light. I have already emailed them and have brought this up many of times but I want you to do it yourself since you dont believe my answer.

I'm not going to bother ANY Superman writer with a question that I can glean the answer from with ANY comic.

And Superman has shown lightspeed movement on many occasions. I believe just earlier in this thread, Batdude posted him blocking a lightspeed attack while he was nowhere near it.

Superman had to travel farther than the light did to make it there to BLOCK the light.

And you didn't even respond to Superman travelling at speeds exceeding C in a black hole. You say you want to see him doing it in earth's gravity? Why isn't him doing it in the gravity of a black hole sufficient?

Originally posted by carver9
By the way soljer, im not trying to down you or anything, just going by what i know and I know that you are going by what you know.

Just two different opinions.

I understand that you hold that it's your opinion...but..really, it isn't.

Superman has displayed lightspeed reactions and travelling speed on so many separate occasions that it isn't even funny.

I don't see how you can justify ignoring scan after scan after scan after scan and then say "It's just my opinion!"



I'm not trying to put you down either, but really, you ARE ignoring any bit of evidence that's posted.

Originally posted by Soljer
I understand that you hold that it's your opinion...but..really, it isn't.

Superman has displayed lightspeed reactions and travelling speed on so many separate occasions that it isn't even funny.

I don't see how you can justify ignoring scan after scan after scan after scan and then say "It's just my opinion!"



I'm not trying to put you down either, but really, you ARE ignoring any bit of evidence that's posted.

Answer this for me soljer. I forgot the name of the comic but it was during the time that raal wife was captured by some aliens and the aliens had the jla build a weapon for them (because the jla was captured).

When raal created that weapon that was going to destroy the mother ship that his wife was held on and he wanted superman to fly to the ship and save his wife. Raal told superman that he need to superman to keep up with the beam and that the beam goes the speed of light. Why did superman himself say that he dont go that fast anymore (this was when he 1st lost the powers of the blue superman) and he had to borrow flash speed to keep up with the light.

Answer that question for me. Why did superman himself say that he dont go that fast anymore. Why did flash writer say during a interview that superman have not came close to the speed of light since his pre crisis years. Why did writer brian azzarello say that superman top speed is 2000mps (even though i think that he goes faster than that.). Answer that for me. Does your answer hold more weight than superman writers and other writers in the dc comic and superman own words.

Originally posted by Soljer
I understand that you hold that it's your opinion...but..really, it isn't.

Superman has displayed lightspeed reactions and travelling speed on so many separate occasions that it isn't even funny.

I don't see how you can justify ignoring scan after scan after scan after scan and then say "It's just my opinion!"



I'm not trying to put you down either, but really, you ARE ignoring any bit of evidence that's posted.


and its not me ignoring scans, its you all showing something that will only happen one time in superman carrier. Example spiderman beating firelord. Black panther pinning Silver surfer.

It all depends on the writer but power wise it shouldnt have been something superman was suppose to do.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me soljer. I forgot the name of the comic but it was during the time that raal wife was captured by some aliens and the aliens had the jla build a weapon for them (because the jla was captured).

When raal created that weapon that was going to destroy the mother ship that his wife was held on and he wanted superman to fly to the ship and save his wife. Raal told superman that he need to superman to keep up with the beam and that the beam goes the speed of light. Why did superman himself say that he dont go that fast anymore (this was when he 1st lost the powers of the blue superman) and he had to borrow flash speed to keep up with the light.

I think you're forgetting one little piece of information regarding that instance....

THAT COMIC WAS NINE FUGGIN' YEARS AGO!!!

That's hardly indicative of how fast he's able to go nowadays. It's astonishing how you'll ignore more recent scans of him going WELL beyond light speed and just fall back on that occurrence from almost a decade ago.

You're "opinion" = worthless, carver.

Jesus Christ... doh

Holy shit.

Originally posted by carver9
and its not me ignoring scans, its you all showing something that will only happen one time in superman carrier. Example spiderman beating firelord. Black panther pinning Silver surfer.

It all depends on the writer but power wise it shouldnt have been something superman was suppose to do.

As batdude, somewhat rudely pointed out, that comic is quite old. It's like me using Thing's first appearances to say that he's only class 5, so any feat of him lifting more than five tons is bullshit.

Also; Spiderman beat firelord once. T'Challa held the surfer once.

PIS is PIS.

Superman has exceeded C dozens of times.

Originally posted by batdude123
I think you're forgetting one little piece of information regarding that instance....

THAT COMIC WAS NINE FUGGIN' YEARS AGO!!!

That's hardly indicative of how fast he's able to go nowadays. It's astonishing how you'll ignore more recent scans of him going WELL beyond light speed and just fall back on that occurrence from almost a decade ago.

You're "opinion" = worthless, carver.

Jesus Christ... doh

dont get angry just debate. You all are showing me space scans. Irrelevant and like you said worthless. Anyone with sufficient speed can go that fast in space. Show me a scan on earth please. Cant do it.

Like I have said superman writers along with other dc writers in the year of 2007<<<< have stated that superman dont go close to the speed of light. Writers opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any opinion you would ever bring upon the table.

Originally posted by Soljer
As batdude, somewhat rudely pointed out, that comic is quite old. It's like me using Thing's first appearances to say that he's only class 5, so any feat of him lifting more than five tons is bullshit.

Also; Spiderman beat firelord once. T'Challa held the surfer once.

PIS is PIS.

Superman has exceeded C dozens of times.

In space, yep he has. Not downing you about that.

Originally posted by carver9
dont get angry just debate. You all are showing me space scans. Irrelevant and like you said worthless. Anyone with sufficient speed can go that fast in space. Show me a scan on earth please. Cant do it.

Like I have said superman writers along with other dc writers in the year of 2007<<<< have stated that superman dont go close to the speed of light. Writers opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any opinion you would ever bring upon the table.

Here ya go:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Now run along and go play with the other retards.

And as Sol already pointed out, Superman exceeded the speed of light while inside of a black hole.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I have said superman writers along with other dc writers in the year of 2007<<<< have stated I don't think their statements are official if they're from the future. Call me a racist (timeist?), but it's just my two cents.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I don't think their statements are official if they're from the future. Call me a racist (timeist?), but it's just my two cents.

You know what i meant. These things was said this year.

Originally posted by batdude123
Here ya go:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Now run along and go play with the other retards.

And as Sol already pointed out, Superman exceeded the speed of light while inside of a black hole.

Well Im glad that you posted that because when i used that same argument about cell and other dragonball z characters knocking blasts out of the air and dodging blast and catching blasts there argument was, how do you know that the blast was going the speed of light. So since you are using that as a argument then dbz characters has been moving the speed of light since the regular dragonball era. Dont you agree soljer.

By the way batdude, calm down and just debate.

When you say at there very best, are you counting black adam in WW3 Adam? if so id say team 2 cause if i recall, he was crazy in that

By the way batdude that wasnt the speed of light.

Originally posted by batdude123
Here ya go:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Now run along and go play with the other retards.

And as Sol already pointed out, Superman exceeded the speed of light while inside of a black hole.

what made you say this was the speed of light when it wasnt said in the book. If quicksilver was durable enough he could have pulled that same feat. Firestorm got his hands out ready to blast. Wow you are putting words in comics mouths.

Originally posted by batdude123
Here ya go:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/JLA07715.jpg

Now run along and go play with the other retards.

And as Sol already pointed out, Superman exceeded the speed of light while inside of a black hole.

Not to join Carver's side or anything, but that particular scan doesn't prove much. I honestly don't see where the light speed part takes place, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Not to join Carver's side or anything, but that particular scan doesn't prove much. I honestly don't see where the light speed part takes place, but I could be wrong.

The only way to escape a black hole is to go far beyond light speed. Black holes swallow light like a queer swallows kids.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only way to escape a black hole is to go far beyond light speed. Black holes swallow light like a queer swallows kids.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only way to escape a black hole is to go far beyond light speed. Black holes swallow light like a queer swallows kids.

and that would be one feat that superman would never do in his entire career. I call that spiderman vs firelord feat.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
like a queer swallows kids.

what the hell does that even mean?

Originally posted by masterbruce
what the hell does that even mean? it was funny though. kinds didnt make sense but funny nonetheless.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only way to escape a black hole is to go far beyond light speed. Black holes swallow light like a queer swallows kids.

Again, travel speed has nothing to do with combat speed/reflexes.

Btw. You swallow kids?

Originally posted by Airwalker
Again, travel speed has nothing to do with combat speed/reflexes.

Btw. You swallow kids?

Originally posted by Airwalker
Not to join Carver's side or anything, but that particular scan doesn't prove much. I honestly don't see where the light speed part takes place, but I could be wrong.

Firestorm's energy blasts = speed of light.

And dumb shits like carver have made the vs. forum suck nowadays.

Souja - firestorm's blasts travel at lightspeed. Superman was no where near him, but managed to move close to Firestorm, AND put his hand out to block the blast.

And to carver - no, I don't agree. Check the Budokai in the Buu saga. Someone compared one of the ki blasts to a rocket. They obviously don't travel at the speed of light....