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God has decided that DC and Marvel universes should become one, with one universe erased from existence. Both DC and Marvel have sent their smartest teams (consisting of 3 heroes and 3 villains) to try to convince God through reasoning and debate to spare their universe. Which team will winand what would be their reason for the sparing of their universe?


Team DC: Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and Darkseid

Team Marvel: Captain America, Reed Richards, Xavier, Dr. Doom, Apocalypse, and Thanos

Originally posted by masterbruce
God has decided that DC and Marvel universes should become one, with one universe erased from existence. Both DC and Marvel have sent their smartest teams (consisting of 3 heroes and 3 villains) to try to convince God through reasoning and debate to spare their universe. Which team will winand what would be their reason for the sparing of their universe?


Team DC: Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and Darkseid

Team Marvel: Captain America, Reed Richards, Xavier, Dr. Doom, Apocalypse, and Thanos

dude, under-respresentation on both sides... guys like reed arent exactly skilled negotiators, and the bad guys aren't exactly going to be in god's good graces are they...

still...

with those two teams, i'd pick DC ftw...

With the loads of super geniuses that Marvel has, you pick those guys?

DC isn't much better...

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
With the loads of super geniuses that Marvel has, you pick those guys?

DC isn't much better...

let me know know who you guys think should be brought to the team.

I have my reasons for the guys I chose...they aren't necessarily the smartest IQ wise, but they all are capable of making a convincing case for why their world should be spared.

Originally posted by masterbruce
let me know know who you guys think should be brought to the team.

I have my reasons for the guys I chose...they aren't necessarily the smartest IQ wise, but they all are capable of making a convincing case for why their world should be spared.

Marvel should have Beast, i doubt there's a more eloquent man in comics...

DC should have Mr. Terrific and Ray Palmer...

Originally posted by pr1983
Marvel should have Beast, i doubt there's a more eloquent man in comics...

DC should have Mr. Terrific and Ray Palmer... Agreed.

Marvel should have Cable (IMO) and Maximus. Maybe Mr. Sinister too.

Originally posted by pr1983
Marvel should have Beast, i doubt there's a more eloquent man in comics...

DC should have Mr. Terrific and Ray Palmer...

I was thinking of beast, but I couldnt have 2 members of xmen, so Xavier (a guy whose entire life has been dedicated to fight for peace and harmony) won out, but that is a close call.

as for mr. terrific and ray palmer, I have never heard of either characters so they aren't big enough names. Only the A-listers are chosen to represent their respective universe, as unfair as that may seem.

Marvel should have Warlock, he's great at running logical loops around people.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I was thinking of beast, but I couldnt have 2 members of xmen, so Xavier (a guy whose entire life has been dedicated to fight for peace and harmony) won out, but that is a close call.

as for mr. terrific and ray palmer, I have never heard of either characters so they aren't big enough names. Only the A-listers are chosen to represent their respective universe, as unfair as that may seem.

maybe its just me but i'd pick beast over xavier...

mr. terrific is arguably as smart as bruce and lex, and is one of the central members of the jsa and a high ranking member of checkmate (black king i think). in the dc universe itself he's pretty highly regarded...

palmer is the atom, DC's reed richards, but with a slightly more psychotic wife...

God: Arright only 1 of you 2 groups get to keep your universe
Batman: ..... Im batman...
God: sold...
Reed: But wait we didnt get to say anything
Doom: Shut up, im leader
Reed: Oh hell no
(Doom + Reed start biting each other)
God: .... as i said.. sold

Originally posted by pr1983
mr. terrific is arguably as smart as bruce and lex, and is one of the central members of the jsa and a high ranking member of checkmate (black king i think). in the dc universe itself he's pretty highly regarded...

palmer is the atom, DC's reed richards, but with a slightly more psychotic wife...

but the thing with a powerful negotiation team is that it is wellbalanced...you don't need 6 brilliant minds. you need some who are capable with logical arguments, some who can pull off the emotional appeal arguments, and some who can just speak from the gut without flowery language

Originally posted by King Kandy
Marvel should have Warlock, he's great at running logical loops around people.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Marvel should have Warlock, he's great at running logical loops around people. Good call.

So far, for Marvel, I think it should be:


Tony Stark, Warlock, Beast, Mr. Sinister, Maximus, Thanos

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
God: Arright only 1 of you 2 groups get to keep your universe
Batman: ..... Im batman...
God: sold...

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
God: Arright only 1 of you 2 groups get to keep your universe
Batman: ..... Im batman...
God: sold...
Reed: But wait we didnt get to say anything
Doom: Shut up, im leader
Reed: Oh hell no
(Doom + Reed start biting each other)
God: .... as i said.. sold

strangely accurate...

Originally posted by masterbruce
but the thing with a powerful negotiation team is that it is wellbalanced...you don't need 6 brilliant minds. you need some who are capable with logical arguments, some who can pull off the emotional appeal arguments, and some who can just speak from the gut without flowery language

superman is the heart... as clark he's an award winning writer...

holt (mr. terrific) is the logical one... he's on par with batman imo, and not nearly as cynical...

if you want someone to talk honestly without bullshit, ask guy gardner...

worked for battle pope... shrug

Originally posted by masterbruce
but the thing with a powerful negotiation team is that it is wellbalanced...you don't need 6 brilliant minds. you need some who are capable with logical arguments, some who can pull off the emotional appeal arguments, and some who can just speak from the gut without flowery language

MichaelHolt can do much that. It's part of why he's so high up in Checkmate. Negotiating and balancing is part of his job.

I agree with Kandy about Warlock.

And I'd have to give DC the win with the teams you presented since (although DS would try the same thing) too much of Marvel would try to berate or threaten God.

my reasoning for my picking:


Team DC:

Superman (the universal boyscout, standing for ideal values)
Batman (one of the quickest minds, will give God great arguments)
Martian Manhunter (deep thinker and will be the philosophical one of the group)
Lex Luthor (self interested but still the most competent orator)
Brainiac (knowledge incarnate...if anyone can find an obscure reason he can from his vast database)
Darkseid (from his quest for the antilife equation lies perhaps a reason for life)

Team Marvel:
Captain America (speaks from the gut and nononsense style is a fresh breath)
Reed Richards (arguably the greatest mind, if he's half as good framing arguments as making inventions, Marvel has hope)
Xavier (the Martin Luther King of comics, nuff said)
Dr. Doom (see Luthor, but more verbose and grander)
Apocalypse (he may be a villain, but his intentions aren't evil)
Thanos (if a guy whose sole goal is to destroy life argues on behalf of his universe, its gotta count for something)

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
God: Arright only 1 of you 2 groups get to keep your universe
Batman: ..... Im batman...
God: sold...
Reed: But wait we didnt get to say anything
Doom: Shut up, im leader
Reed: Oh hell no
(Doom + Reed start biting each other)
God: .... as i said.. sold

You should totally send that to the guy who makes Shortpacked.

Originally posted by masterbruce
my reasoning for my picking:

Apocalypse (he may be a villain, but his intentions aren't evil) So?

And, that's a matter of opinion.

Apocalypse should be replaced with Warlock.

Warlock and Thanos on the same team would win this.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Apocalypse should be replaced with Warlock.

Warlock and Thanos on the same team would win this.

team must consist of 3 heroes and 3 villains

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
So?

And, that's a matter of opinion.

yeah that wasn't a good reason I gave...but I do feel Apocalypse is an interesting villain with a unique purpose rather than the run of the mill villains and that he would be able to voice a powerful defense of why his world should be spared

Then switch Reed Richards for someone who has a clue about public speaking.

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah that wasn't a good reason I gave...but I do feel Apocalypse is an interesting villain with a unique purpose rather than the run of the mill villains and that he would be able to voice a powerful defense of why his world should be spared

He could barely give the Celestials a good reason not to kill him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He could barely give the Celestials a good reason not to kill him.

really...he's usually portrayed as pretty articulate

Originally posted by King Kandy
Then switch Reed Richards for someone who has a clue about public speaking. Tony Stark would be better.

He's secretary of defense, and has made some pretty tough speeches over Civil War, World War Hulk and whatnot lately.

Originally posted by masterbruce
really...he's usually portrayed as pretty articulate Mr. Sinister is better.

As is Maximus. Much better, in fact.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Tony Stark would be better.

He's secretary of defense, and has made some pretty tough speeches over Civil War, World War Hulk and whatnot lately.

agreed...

Hell, Daredevil is better then Richards.

Hell, just use She Hulk.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Living Tribunal makes a cameo in the New She-Hulk issue.



The LT holds and Judges Two Universes (616 and the Ultimate) one in each hand:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3554/ltbackzz1.th.jpg


She Hulk talked the LT out of replacing the 616 Reality with the Ultimate Universe.

One thing about team DC, Darkseid has a connection to the Source via his OE. and the source is a part of the Presence, DC's god. So are we talking having them speak to their respective deities, or to something closer to our conception of god?

Because if it's the former, giving them Darkseid is unfair. The source itself willed him back to life.

I would have given DC Maxwell Lord or Kyle Rayner. Lord, because he's extremely good at convinving people that he's right (though if that's just his TP, then kick me. ermm ) And Kyle, because I feel an artist could make a compelling arguement.

Marvel: Warlock seems to be the consensus add, so yeah, co-sign it as well.
What about the High E?

I know this is a little nuts, but I'd have given DC Imperiex, and Marvel Galactus. I just think that with their vast experience and roles as forces of nature, that they are uniquely qualified to speak on their universes.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Hell, just use She Hulk.

there was a reason I didn't allow girls, they have unfair advantage in assets...

Originally posted by masterbruce
there was a reason I didn't allow girls, they have unfair advantage in assets... Still, that scan makes her vastly more qualified then anyone else here.

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Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Still, that scan makes her vastly more qualified then anyone else here.

meh, she's still not an A-Lister though, which is automatic disqualification from consideration

Originally posted by masterbruce
meh, she's still not an A-Lister though, which is automatic disqualification from consideration I doubt God cares how much money they make their respective companies.

And Adam Warlock isn't an A-lister.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph


And Adam Warlock isn't an A-lister.

true, which is why he wasn't on my teams originally

Originally posted by masterbruce
true, which is why he wasn't on my teams originally But he is now.

Take out Xavier, put in She Hulk, take out Doom, put in Maximus, and declare Marvel the winners.

Well She Hulk should be added now, even though she wasn't on the Original list... She has experience in this situation.

updated teams:

Team DC: Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and Darkseid

Team Marvel: Captain America, She-hulk, Xavier, Dr. Doom, Galactus, and Thanos

the 2 sides are pretty evenly matched up

Originally posted by masterbruce
updated teams:

Team DC: Superman, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, and Darkseid

Team Marvel: Captain America, She-hulk, Xavier, Dr. Doom, Galactus, and Thanos

the 2 sides are pretty evenly matched up

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Originally posted by King Kandy
Apocalypse should be replaced with Warlock.

Warlock and Thanos on the same team would win this.

Co-signed. They also know a thing or two about omnipotence, so they might actually be able to relate to God.

thanos should be on the team, and Cable definitely should be to, Cable's very good with religious matters and with convincing individuals.

For Marvel I'd put:
Cable
Thanos
Warlock
She-Hulk(after all she already won argument with eternity to keep the main 616 universe around and not to replace it with the ultimate universe)

Originally posted by masterbruce
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Dude, you got rid of Warlock!

Why do I get the feeling that Darkseid is gonna attempt to use OE on God....

Originally posted by grey fox
Why do I get the feeling that Darkseid is gonna attempt to use OE on God.... There are quite a few people on both sides more likely to do something than Darkseid....... Darkseid will be operating on enlightened self-interest.

Doom: "Doom does not recoqnize any authority higher than Doom!"

Originally posted by grey fox
Why do I get the feeling that Darkseid is gonna attempt to use OE on God.... Because DC thinks that if it works, it'll be funny enough to see the effect on Trickster's pants.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
There are quite a few people on both sides more likely to do something than Darkseid....... Darkseid will be operating on enlightened self-interest.

Doom: "Doom does not recoqnize any authority higher than Doom!"
Darkseid attacked Spectre, no reason he wouldn't attack God.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Darkseid attacked Spectre, no reason he wouldn't attack God.

Darkseid may be bold, but he isn't a fool. Although he might attack God as a ploy to impress God of his courage, however poorly intentioned.

Originally posted by pr1983
Marvel should have Beast, i doubt there's a more eloquent man in comics...

DC should have Mr. Terrific and Ray Palmer...

beast uses twentysomething words to say pass the salt.
and often needs an elbow in the tummy from the Xmen to get to the point and/or speak clearly.

Originally posted by Akuki
thanos should be on the team, and Cable definitely should be to, Cable's very good with religious matters and with convincing individuals.

For Marvel I'd put:
Cable
Thanos
Warlock
She-Hulk(after all she already won argument with eternity to keep the main 616 universe around and not to replace it with the ultimate universe)

scrubb Shulk and slip in Uatu

Thanos w/ HOTI


Nuff said..........