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Team Super1
Pre Crisis Superman
Kal-L
Superman 1M
Superboy
Supergirl
vs.
Team Super2
Superman Prime
Post Crisis Superman
Superboy Prime
Powergirl

Team 2 wins.
Why?
Superman Prime.
Why?
He was already the most powerful iteration of Superman when he came from outer-space, and BEFORE spending all that time in the center of a Super sun.

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Originally posted by Dgw2007
what is Superboy changed sideds

It really wouldn't matter. In fact you could have everyone on the other side and he SHOULD still win.

The only character on the other side who should be watched would be Pre-Crisis Superman ....but that fact is totally negated if you consider that S.Prime is the future version of that Superman, after spending countless years in space (edge of spac,e source wall?), and then spending all that time at the heart of the sun. Even without the GL ring he is beyond other iterations of Superman.

All the other Supermen are beneath him, including those you have not listed (e.g. the Kryptonian iteration, and the All-Star Superman iteration)

Superboy Prime wouldn't even be able to get by Superman 1M let alone Prime.

Team 2

Via Feats, Superman 1M > Superman Prime.

Originally posted by Soljer
Via Feats, Superman 1M > Superman Prime.



Via feats, yes. 100% correct.

However, who/what is SM1M? He is a future descendant of Superman, many eons into the future, who also has additional senses built in due to an intermarriage between his predecessors and the 5th dimension imps. His abilities are beyond amazing ...his speed is far beyond what Kal could do in the past, his 'strength' enabled him to punch into the future (if you want to call that strength), plus he has other abilities like force-vision and the ability to hyptonize people using raindrops (weird way of putting it, but I am sure you saw the comic where he did that).

Thus, in terms of feats it is SM1M easily.

The crucial issue is this ....Superman Prime still ends up being the strongest iteration of Superman, ever.

Why?

Most of it is through allusion (e.g. the fact that he spent a millenium in the heart of the sun), part of it is through what DC directly says in the comic (e.g. when he came from outerspace he was the most powerful metahuman ever, and note that was said before he made the covenant with his dscendants and went into the sun for the greatest sun-amp of sun-amps), etc.

Furthermore, note that all of SM1Ms powers were being GREATLY enhanced by Superman Prime. This was through the covenant made, whereby he had told his descendants that he would greatly augment their powers while he was in the sun.

Note: The MOMENT SM1M went to the past (our current timeline) his powers IMMEDIATLEY started to ebb. Now, they did not simply disappear, but they were slowly degrading. What did SM1M attribute this to? Being away from the Super-Sun, thus S Primes convenant wasn't reaching him.

Note: SM1M had doubts about whether he would be able to leap from the Earth to the moon. Why? Again, he said he was away from the influence of Prime in the Super-sun.

Note: The covenant Prime made was given considerable note in JLA:1M

Note: Even with his powers ebbing, SM1M was strong enough to PUNCH into the future. He didn't know whether he could make it ...why ...again, distance from the Super-sun (as in temporal distance ....Prime, and the sun he was in, and the power augmentation were in the future ....he was in our current time).

Note: He used ALL of his energies punching through the future, to the extent he was aging with each punch, and when he finally broke through he was an old man on the cusp of death. But the moment he was through Prime's influence in the super-sun INSTANTLY healed him back to youth and his powers returned at their zenith.

Anyways, feat wise SM1M has more feats than Prime. But that doesn't mean that he is more powerful.

It would be like saying featwise Spectre is more powerful than God. He is not ....all hsi powers stem from the DC deity.

Similar for SM1M. Even with Prime's influence he would still be a potent hero, but it was evident in JLA:1M that Prime was THOROUGHLY augmenting that character, turning him from a super-Superman into a veritable godling.

Hence:
Featwise SM1M > S Prime (in the same way that featwise Spectre > Presence)

but that does not in anyway mean that SM1M>S Prime (just as that doesn't mean Spectre > Presence)

A more down-to-Earth analogy.

Featwise a B-52 bomber is far beyond the Trident submarine launched nuclear missile. After all, the B-52 has been used in countless wars (ranging from carpet-bombing in Viet Nam, to pin-point JDAM bombing in Afghanistan and Iraq). The Trident on the other hand has NEVER been fired in anger. Any and all firings of the Trident have been test launches that did not even include a warhead (just a simple weight to represent a warhead).

Thus in terms of feats a B-52 is far beyond a Trident missile.

HOWEVER, if a Trident was ever fired in anger (i.e. against an enemy, with one or more nuclear warheads in it, since the missile can have one or more indepently targeted re-entry vehicles ...in essence more than one warhead, with each warhead having a separate target) then the nuclear holocaust that would be unleashed on that city (or cities) in the time span of 30 minutes (or less, depending on how close the Submarine launching the missile is) wouldn't even compare to what a B-52 could do. Even if you armed the B-52 with nuclear bombs (and assume that the old bomber somehow manages to penetrate enemy, say Russian, air defenses ....just because a B-52 could lay whoop-ass on Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean it could waltz up to Moscow in Russia or Beijing in China like it had a VIP pass).

One Trident submarine (the Ohio Class) armed with its 24 Trident missiles (each with several warheads) is more powerful than the ENTIRE strategic bomber fleet of the USA (including the B-52, the B-1B, and the B-2 Stealth bomber).

Same thing here ....featwise SM1M has done more (much more), but Prime is still the greatest.

Easily, and by far. If SM1M is a F-22 Raptor, then Prime is an Ohio-class boat lurking under the polar ice-caps with 24 Tridents waiting to unleashe Gehenna.

Originally posted by Soljer
Via Feats, Superman 1M > Superman Prime.

And one more thing .....the only direct feat comparison between SM1M and S Prime.

The attack on Solaris.

SM1M and the combined forces of the heroes from the past and the future failed in stopping Solaris in the final battle, but Prime used the GL ring to simply crush the living sun/planet.

Anyways, a lot of good debate could be had either way, but personally I still state that Prime is the greatest Superman ever, followed by Pre-Crisis Superman (which includes Pre-Crisis Superboy, since in PC the boy became the man latter), and then All-Star Superman (in essence, a creative way to have a fresh vantage on a Pre-crisis esque Superman).

Below those three come the other iterations, but against those three none can stand (as I had said, Superboy Prime would be THOROUGHLY beaten up ....his head with end up exploding in much the same manner as he punched that poor character's head off in that comic).

Some like the Kryptonian (from the cross over, where Kal El was granted the power cosmic to become a herald ....said to be the greatest ....are debatable and non-canon), while the entire race of Daxamites has to be excluded since they are not exactly Kryptonian (they are more of a sister race, but they used to be Kryptonian before leaving Krypton and heading out .....thus they are related, but for now take them out ...and thus take out people likie Validus, particularly PC Validus, and others like Sodam Yat, the Daxamite who became the greatest Green Lantern of them all).

That leaves the Superman Trinity ....Pre-Crisis, All-Star, and Prime (although Prime could arguably be called Pre-crisis as well, since he is that Superman eons into the future).

All the other Super variants are below.

Yo, spetz, I'm gonna admit something - I didn't read a BIT of your post. Mostly because it isn't necessary.

I wasn't trying to imply anything about the fight, or even say that Superman 1M would beat Superman Prime.

Just that, according to their feats, Superman 1M is more powerful, and I sincerely hope you never objected to that.

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