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I made this thread for one simple reason. Some people were gettting the impression that Naruto characters were more powerful than Bleach ones, and I intend to prove here that this guy isn't going to get beaten by any ninja.
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Ichigo wields a sword known as a zanpaku-to aka, the soul slayer. A zanpaku-to directly reflects the power of its wielder,and can be considered a shinigami's reiatsu given physical form. While they mostly look like any other katana an old-time samurai might carry around, zanpaku-to's are far from normal. The foremost difference is the zanpaku-to ability to harm shinigami. Since shinigami are spirits, normal blades and weapons can't touch them. In fact, "zanpaku-to" literally means "soul cutting sword."

The other major point that separates them from plain ol' swords is a zanpaku-to's ability to transform. Each blade has up to three distinct forms which its wielder can access according to their strength and skill. The first one that doesn't take any effort to attain, is the blade's normal form. With a few exceptions, a zanpaku-to's normal form is indistinguishable from that of a plain katana.

The second form is called "Shikai", or "first release". The key to Shikai is learning the zanpaku-to's name. Discovering it is not the easiest thing in the world; some Shinigami never do manage it (for example, Kenpachi). But for those that do, they gain a whole new level of power. Easily triggered by an incantation unique to each sword, a shikai zanpaku-to changes immensely, often becoming a weapon far removed from a sword. Also, shikai zanpaku-to usually has special powers a shinigami can use, such as poisons, illusions or power blasts.

"Bankai", the third form, means "full release". Only shinigami that are at a Captain's level, or highly powerful Vice-Captains can acquire bankai. Increasing the zanpaku-to's power by as much as a factor of ten, it takes many decades of intense training to learn bankai (or three days of cheating courtesy of Urahara and Yoruichi. ^^) Triggering a zanpaku-to's bankai needs only a one-word incantation: Bankai.

Bankai zanpaku-to get additions to their names, indicating it is New and Special, and it changes even more drastically, usually (presently with only 1 exception) becoming something far, far larger than the wielder.

SHIKAI:_Shikai Zangetsu looks more like an elegant cleaver than a formal "katana" (looks like a huge arabian sword). He has no crossguard and no proper hilt; what Ichigo holds is the cloth-wrapped tang. Zangetsu is as tall as Ichigo, but the blade is hand-width only at it's base. From there it tapers in one long arc into a sharp, pointed tip. The cloth wrapping on the tang seems to react to Ichigo's will, changing length at a thought or twining about the blade in an impromptu sheath. Instead of the heavy belt for Zangetsu's sheath, a red chain of interconnecting triangles (one that looks a lot like a spinal column if you look right) runs from Ichigo's right shoulder to left hip. There's no connection or anything, he just puts Zangetsu across his back and the blade sticks. Shikai Zangetsu's power is simple but deadly. He can translate Ichigo's spiritual pressure into tangible energy. The resulting crescent moon of light is called "Getsuga Tenshou" (Moonfang Skyshock) and it can slice cleanly through anything; rock, buildings, people.

Ichigo's Bankai:
The one exception to the "bankai is big" rule, Tensa Zangetsu is actually very small. In fact, this is the only form in which Zangetsu looks anything like a normal sword. He is still as long as he always was, but he now has a formal hilt, crossguard and blade. Instead of the cloth his Shikai form had, a short length of chain dangles from the base of the hilt. He finally gets a crossguard, though it isn't normal. Four prongs bend out to form the kanji for "ban", with the base of the blade at it's center. And every last square inch of him is dead black. Even his Getsuga Tenshou is pitch black. As for Tensa Zangetsu's ability, he takes everything that most bankai's put into being big and translates it into speed boosts for Ichigo. Like Renji, Ichigo himself also changes appearance, albeit very slightly. The top half of his shinigami blacks becomes a sort of suit topcoat instead of a kimono, pinned together at one spot, then left to flare out into ragged ends.

Vaizard: Vaizard is ichigo's most powerful current form and results from him harnessing the power of the hollow that grew within him due to an accident in his training. In vaizard form Ichigo's power, speed, durability, and strength increase at the same amount with the increase comparable to the difference between Shikai and Bankai.

That's why Ichigo can kill off any ninja easy. nice respect thread BTW

erm? why create a respect forum simply as an opposition to naruto vs bleach. every1 knows this about ichigo already. but nuthing there makes me think he can go up against kyuubi chakra naruto{normal naruto he might take as naruto is not so fast in normal form and cant use the body flicker technique} or sasuke etc.

Eh, yes he can. He might even pull off a kill against them.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm? why create a respect forum simply as an opposition to naruto vs bleach. every1 knows this about ichigo already. but nuthing there makes me think he can go up against kyuubi chakra naruto{normal naruto he might take as naruto is not so fast in normal form and cant use the body flicker technique} or sasuke etc.
First of all this is just a general respect thread, and I haven't yet gotten in any of the scans yet, so please withhold your opinion. Please don't spam up the respect thread.

Ichigo's capabilities as a base level shingami(no shikai) with his sword in the unreleased form.

Speed(unlike what many people have claimed, Ichigo has superhuman reflexes in this form, and easily blocks an arrow from ishida to his back with no warning from around 15 meters away( normal arrows average around 105m/s) Therefore Ichigo was able to turn around and block the attack in less than .14285 seconds. Note that the average time it takes an ordinary human to react to something is .5 seonds. So at minimum Ichigo's reflexes at this state were 3.5 times faster than any human.
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Now that is the level of speed he has when he initially begins fighting Renji in the human world and Renji easily beats him, and shows that he also has highly enhanced reflexes.
Renji showing he has superhuman reflexes by dodging Ishida's attack without any forewarning.
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Renji overpowering and showing superior speed to Ichigo.
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Ichigo releases his spirit energy and is able to overwhelm Renji in terms of speed and move faster than he can react to.
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In this state he's moving about double what he was before, so that would place his reaction time at .0714seconds.

Ichigo is then speedblitzed by Byakuya who is able to move 15meters, snap ichigo's sword, and move back, before ichigo can react. Therefore Byakuya moves over 30 meters total in less than .0714 seconds(that is not factoring in time spent stopping and turning around), meaning he would be moving over 420m/sec.
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Icigo's base level power:
Able to block an powerful blast from a Menos Grande(it is stated that his spirit pressure is at it's LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL while doing so)
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Just to show that in bleach size really doesn't matter much, here's a pic of the size of the Menos(currently that just a footsoldier level creature in Aizen's army)
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Impressive slash by ichigo against the Menos when he releases a bit more of his energy.
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His jumping ability is pretty superhuman even at that point:
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Ichigo's speed at Shikai:
After several battle's in soul society, Ichigo is shown to have mastered Shunpo, and is able to keep up with Byakuya in a hand to hand battle. It is important to note that Renki states that in the Human world they were moving at 1/5th their normal speed and power. Therefore in soul society Byakuya is moving at around 2100m/s, and Ichigo is matching his speed.

Renji states that in human world they are limited to 1/5th their power.
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Keeping up with Byakuya and Byakuya states that Ichigo has mastered shunpo and also states that he's still going easy. Also note the destruction caused by just the clash of their swords.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwozxDn7uL4

made a quick thing for this forum ichigo lol

Ichigo's Shikai power feats:
When Ichigo is forced to fight against Zangetsu he can can see the the force of the spirit pressure is literally vaporizing things around the blade, and that it makes a normal blade look like a stick.
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Ichigo blocks the attack of a giant shinigami who can probably lift about 5-10 tons with one hand.
Evidence of the strength of the attack:
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Ichigo blocks it easily with one hand:
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Takes repeated attacks like that with no strain at all:
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Easily shatters two giant axes and sends a giant flying backwards
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Just to give a sense how big that guy is:
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Getsuga tensho: ichigo's shikai ability. It's pretty freaking powerful.
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Shoots it at Byakuya and explains it(note that kyakuya barely dodges it)
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Ichigo's fight with Kenpachi:
Kenpachi shows the strength of his zanpaktou by casually slicing a building in half
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Ichigo's clash with that level of energy causes an explosion which topples most of the nearby buildings and snaps Kenpachi's sword.
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A very cool close combat feat by Ichigo while he's still in shikai. he beats 3 vice captains in close combat in a few seconds without using his zanpaktou. Note how in the case of one of the lieutenants he easily punches through about a foot of highly enchanted metal when he smashes the zanpaktou
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What many people don't seem to understand about bleach is that the levels between ranks are amazingly huge. In this scan Ichigo blocks an attack that equal to 1 MILLION ordinary zanpaktou's with hs shikai.
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Ichigo's Bankai Speed:

This is where he starts getting really fast. Here's how i have chosen to calculate his speed in this case. First of all Byakuya has been calculated to be able to shunpo at speeds of up to 2100m/s earlier in the thread. The fastest any human can move is about 10/23 m/s (this is based upon the world record in the 100 meter dash). Therefore Byakuya can move at over 205.279 times faster than the fastest human ever, and since he can easily fight and react to individuals moving that fast as well his reaction times are proportional. That would mean that Byakuya's reaction time is under .0024357143seconds at the beginning of the fight. In the first scan we can see that Byakuya is standing 25 meters away from Ichigo
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Yet Ichigo is able to move and put his sword at byakuya's throat before byakuya can react and he even can track him with his eyes at some times in the fight.
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Ichigo is therefore moving 25 meters in less than .0024357143 seconds, which puts his speed at a minimum of 12316.71554m/s. For reference the speed of sound is 344m/s, so he's moving at Mach 35.8

Another way to confirm this speed is if we examine the scans we can see that Senbonzakura is able to go at least as fast as Byakuya which can be seen from how ichigo is unable to esacape from it when in shikai, even though he can easily keep up with Byakuya in hand to hand combat.
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In bankai Ichigo is easily dodging it to the extent that Byakuya is forced to take an action which DOUBLES the speed of Senbonzakura, thereby placing it's speed at even greater than 4200, and Ichigo still continues to easily dodge and block it, and he speed is so great that Byakuya is seeing afterimages.
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He literally bats away millions of blades in this scan
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Ichigo's Bankai Power:
In order to understand how truly powerful Ichigo's bankai is and therefore his vaizard form, it's important to understand how powerful his enemies are.
Here's an explanation of how the menos work. Note how all of the arrancar are ENHANCED MENOS'S, and the enormous menos Ichigo fought earlier was merely a footsoldier. If you want to get a sense of the difference in power levels, the difference between a gillian menos and adjuchas menos is about the same as between a shinigami lieutenant and a shinigami captain.
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Ichigo's main opponent for much of the later half of the series was Grimmjow, an arrancar espada created from a adjuchas. Aizen's 10 most powerful arrancar are formed into a group known as the Espada and are ranked based on their comba ability. It is also important to mention that their power levels continually increase exponentially as they go lower in the order. In Bankai Ichigo is able to slice off the arm of the number 10 espada yami with his sword in bankai. This is despite the fact that all of the espada are described as having enhanced skin that enables them to easily stop blades with their skin.(note that Yoruichi severely injured her hands by punching Yami)
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Now if we look at the fight with Grimmjow, we can see he's far above yami's level, showing the ability to catch Ichigo's sword with his bare hands and throw him.
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Now It is important to note that in Bankai the attack power level of a shinigami is between 5 to 10 times higher than in shikai. So while the Black Getsuga Tesnhou may do less damage to the physical surroundings, that is because it focuses it's power more. This can be seen from the way in which for example in the fight against Grimmjow, Grimmjow is able to shrug off all attacks as meaningless except for the Gestuga tenshou, and while he is in bankai form that only causes a surface wound.
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Just a cool general strength feat:
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Ichigo's Vaizard form: In vaizard form Ichigo gains an enormous boost in power, durability, and speed comparable to the difference between his shikai and bankai. He also appears to have the ability to either ignore or heal wounds taken earlier, for example in the fight with Byakuya, Ichigo is able to pwn Byakuya in hollow form, having an impressive speed feat of appearing one both sides of byakuya, firing black getsuga tenshous on both sides and holding down byakuya before they can get there.
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This is despite the fact that a beam of lightning shot through his chest and his foot was stabbed through.
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In another strength feat by Ichigo when he is in incomplete vaizard form he is able to throw off 5 giant pillars of stone that were placed on him as a binding measure.
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Ichigo's getsuga tenshou attack is far more powerful when he is in Vaizard form:
Here's a good pic of about the size of damge it can do(that's by his inner hollow at bankai):
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Ichigo uses it to pwn Ichigo, not how much more powerful it is now compared to when he was in bankai:
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Sandwhiches Grimmjow with two kuroi getsuga tenshou's
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General showing of it's destructive power against Uliquorra( it should be noted that the building their blowing through easily is constructed from a type of quartz, which is extremely strong and is one of the hardest minerals)
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Ichigo's Durability: In vaizard form Ichigo is extremely durable and is able to block and withstand immense energy blasts and physical damage.
Survives being kicked through several pure quartz buildings the size of skyscrapers.
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Takes 5 powerful bolts in the back to shield Orihime.
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A single one of those bolts easily shatters a giant quartz pillar:
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Survives a higher grade grade cero blast that tears a hole in the subdimension their in with no noticeable effect.
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Smashes Grimmjow's most powerful attack in Grimmjow's released form.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=oNwKvVBLL2s my video wit ichigo fighting byugan dude lol check it out

another one of ichigo for respect

Now all we need is respect thread for Yusuke Urameshi, from Yu Yu Hakusho .

As for Ichigo, he is pretty powerful, but he's still got a long way to go, in order to reach the levels of much stronger characters, like the higher ranked Arrancar and Aizen.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
Now all we need is respect thread for Yusuke Urameshi, from Yu Yu Hakusho .

As for Ichigo, he is pretty powerful, but he's still got a long way to go, in order to reach the levels of much stronger characters, like the higher ranked Arrancar and Aizen.

YYH deserved respect until the entire chapter black arc started. Then it just became a better version of DBZ. =P

If anybody deserves respect, it's Hiei or Kurama, though. At least they don't have that lame "All of a sudden I'm a high ranked mazoku" plot device.

Koenma with his rocket jet pack deserves respect more than Yusuke.

Originally posted by Haruhi
YYH deserved respect until the entire chapter black arc started. Then it just became a better version of DBZ. =P

If anybody deserves respect, it's Hiei or Kurama, though. At least they don't have that lame "All of a sudden I'm a high ranked mazoku" plot device.

Koenma with his rocket jet pack deserves respect more than Yusuke. I agree with you on that Hiei and Kurama were better characters if you ask me.

Originally posted by Haruhi
YYH deserved respect until the entire chapter black arc started. Then it just became a better version of DBZ. =P

If anybody deserves respect, it's Hiei or Kurama, though. At least they don't have that lame "All of a sudden I'm a high ranked mazoku" plot device.

Koenma with his rocket jet pack deserves respect more than Yusuke.

LOL

First of all, Chapter Black was the best damn arc in the series, for having the best plot. It was the arc that made this my favorite anime, and it was very addicting, and highly unpredictable at most parts. It was much better than a tournament, which was cool, but also really unoriginal. And Sensui was a much more unique villain than Toguro, IMO. Also, Yusuke has much more substance to him than either Hiei or Kurama. I mean, I like both Hiei and Kurama, but among YYH characters, they are definitely the most overrated.

Yusuke has a great sense of humor, that was done perfectly, seeing as how many other anime characters with a sense of humor, just turn out to be plain annoying. Hiei and Kurama were cool characters because they had interesting pasts and personalities. But neither of them had a whole lot of substance to them. IMO, Yusuke is the best character in all of YYH, just because he makes me laugh more than any other character, and because I like his overall personality. He is never annoyingly stuck-up, and hardly ever acts emo. And even when he does act emo, its not really that bad, and I don't get annoyed by it, like how I do with other anime characters who go all emo on everyone.

Also, what you just said is only "your" opinion, and I was only expressing mine. So stop trying to f*ing state your opinion to me as if its a fact !

Also, what you just said is only "your" opinion, and I was only expressing mine. So stop trying to f*ing state your opinion to me as if its a fact !

Calm down, kiddo. I never said it was a fact, nor did I imply it, so chill the f*ck out.

That being said, I thought the first arc in the series was greatest, when he was still a ghost and he's trying frantically to get his body out of trouble. The series was still funny as hell during that point. And when Yusuke first uses his Rei-gun to shoot down his teacher was made of win.

Chapter Black saga was weakass to me, because it started becoming less like YYH (clever fight scenes, unique humour, etc etc) and more like DBZ. Then the Makai tournament was just a waste of chapters/episodes. But I do agree that Sensui was more interesting than Toguro - especially his dillema.

Finally, Hiei and Kurama, while deserving respect, don't have a particularly interesting past. Just too emo, and quite frankly, I couldn't care less about how hard their lives were. It was annoying, and their flashback was ass altogether.

The reason I like them more than Yusuke is just because of their powersets. Youko Kurama > All.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Calm down, kiddo. I never said it was a fact, nor did I imply it, so chill the f*ck out.

That being said, I thought the first arc in the series was greatest, when he was still a ghost and he's trying frantically to get his body out of trouble. The series was still funny as hell during that point. And when Yusuke first uses his Rei-gun to shoot down his teacher was made of win.

Chapter Black saga was weakass to me, because it started becoming less like YYH (clever fight scenes, unique humour, etc etc) and more like DBZ. Then the Makai tournament was just a waste of chapters/episodes. But I do agree that Sensui was more interesting than Toguro - especially his dillema.

Finally, Hiei and Kurama, while deserving respect, don't have a particularly interesting past. Just too emo, and quite frankly, I couldn't care less about how hard their lives were. It was annoying, and their flashback was ass altogether.

The reason I like them more than Yusuke is just because of their powersets. Youko Kurama > All.

Yeah, whatever, I disagree with almost all of that. Chapter Black was the most interesting saga to me. And even though 3 Kings was the weakest saga in the series, it was still great to me, when I compare it to other anime material. Its only real problem was that it was too rushed. As for Kurama and Hiei's pasts, those weren't really emo at all to me (at least not after seeing the past of just about every Naruto character, even the minor ones, lol ). In that sense, I don't really consider any of the YYH characters to be emo, which is something that I like, because I hate emos. And I could persoanlly care less about a characters powerset, in terms of them being my favorite. That's not to say that I don't love a cool set of abilities, or anything like that, but what makes a character good, bad, or average, is their personality, and overall substance. Yusuke had way more substance to him than Hiei and Kurama. But, that's just my opinion .

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
Yeah, whatever, I disagree with almost all of that. Chapter Black was the most interesting saga to me. And even though 3 Kings was the weakest saga in the series, it was still great to me, when I compare it to other anime material. Its only real problem was that it was too rushed. As for Kurama and Hiei's pasts, those weren't really emo at all to me (at least not after seeing the past of just about every Naruto character, even the minor ones, lol ). In that sense, I don't really consider any of the YYH characters to be emo, which is something that I like, because I hate emos. And I could persoanlly care less about a characters powerset, in terms of them being my favorite. That's not to say that I don't love a cool set of abilities, or anything like that, but what makes a character good, bad, or average, is their personality, and overall substance. Yusuke had way more substance to him than Hiei and Kurama. But, that's just my opinion .

You can disagree all you want to. I really don't care. Sensui's arc was crap to me, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

And yeah... YYH > Naruto by a long shot. But I like Bleach a smidget more, just because it's better written, IMO, and because I like the fighting in it more. But the two are easily my two favourite shounen series by a longshot.

I liked Yusuke up to the 3 Kings arc, truthfully. Then he just became battle-maniac that I couldn't give a crap about anymore.

Originally posted by Haruhi
You can disagree all you want to. I really don't care. Sensui's arc was crap to me, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

And yeah... YYH > Naruto by a long shot. But I like Bleach a smidget more, just because it's better written, IMO, and because I like the fighting in it more. But the two are easily my two favourite shounen series by a longshot.

I liked Yusuke up to the 3 Kings arc, truthfully. Then he just became battle-maniac that I couldn't give a crap about anymore.

Whatever, its your opinion, so I don't really care either.

As for Bleach, I've always felt that it went downhill after the SS arc, but its still pretty good. I don't feel that its written better than YYH though. I mean, the HM arc is pretty repetitive of the SS arc for one thing, and the dialogue is a bit too straightforward for my taste. Also, a lot of the later plot twists feel as though they are just thrown in there. And the fights don't really have any strategy to them, unlike some of the YYH fights. It also didn't addict me to watch a bunch of episodes at once, or read a bunch of chapters at once.

I don't really feel that Yusuke ever became a battle-maniac, mainly for the fact that he always had a good reason to fight, even during the 3 Kings arc. Also, the Chapter Black arc was my favorite because it had the deepest plot, and wasn't just about getting super powerful, and was overall the most entertaining arc in the series for me (as well as in any anime that I have seen so far, for that matter). Anyways, that's all just my opinion.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
Whatever, its your opinion, so I don't really care either.

As for Bleach, I've always felt that it went downhill after the SS arc, but its still pretty good. I don't feel that its written better than YYH though. I mean, the HM arc is pretty repetitive of the SS arc for one thing, and the dialogue is a bit too straightforward for my taste. Also, a lot of the later plot twists feel as though they are just thrown in there. And the fights don't really have any strategy to them, unlike some of the YYH fights. It also didn't addict me to watch a bunch of episodes at once, or read a bunch of chapters at once.

I don't really feel that Yusuke ever became a battle-maniac, mainly for the fact that he always had a good reason to fight, even during the 3 Kings arc. Also, the Chapter Black arc was my favorite because it had the deepest plot, and wasn't just about getting super powerful, and was overall the most entertaining arc in the series for me (as well as in any anime that I have seen so far, for that matter). Anyways, that's all just my opinion.

Saying the Chapter black arc had more depth in it really isn't saying much. Ultimately, it was about a guy that wanted to destroy the world. What else is new? If that's depth, then what about the rest of the series? Any shounen anime is straight forward, including YYH.

So, leaving Keiko, his mom, and pretty much the entire world behind for the sake of fighting stronger enemies and meeting up with a guy that interfered in the fight against Sensui is a good reason now? Like I said... Three Kings arc was bad. Lame motivation, annoying flashbacks that I just didn't care about, uninteresting fight scenes and boring villains made it a dud and Yusuke a battle maniac.

Originally posted by Haruhi
Saying the Chapter black arc had more depth in it really isn't saying much. Ultimately, it was about a guy that wanted to destroy the world. What else is new? If that's depth, then what about the rest of the series? Any shounen anime is straight forward, including YYH.

So, leaving Keiko, his mom, and pretty much the entire world behind for the sake of fighting stronger enemies and meeting up with a guy that interfered in the fight against Sensui is a good reason now? Like I said... Three Kings arc was bad. Lame motivation, annoying flashbacks that I just didn't care about, uninteresting fight scenes and boring villains made it a dud and Yusuke a battle maniac.

LOL

Do you even pay attention to what you watch? Sensui was more than just a guy who wanted to destroy the world. An average shounen would just put in any random guy, however Sensui was more complex than your average villain from the beginning. First of all, having him be Yusuke's predecessor as a Spirit Detective was ingeneous of the creator. It was also extremely learn how he totally turned his views after encountering demons being tortured by the Black Black Club. He was also far more intelligent than a villain from you average shounen. For example, if you were actually paying attention, you would remember how he had specifically recruited game master knowing full well that he would die to one of Yusuke's team members, when they tried to get to him. Through this method, he knew that Koenma would be forces to use his Mafuuken, which would reduce its power for when Koenma tried to use it on him. That's just pre brilliance in planning, and is only one example.

Also, Sensui's motives were actually questionable. I mean, who can deny that there are plenty of humans who are even more evil and corrupt than most of the demons which you see in YYH. In case you didn't get the message, that was symbolism for how the world is filled with greedy and heartless people, who can be even worse than the mystical demons that we fatasize about in stories about good and evil. And BTW, you are completely wrong about Sensui wanting to "destroy the world," which only further goes to prove that you did not even take any time to annalyze what was actually being said in this arc. Sensui himself said that he did not want to destroy the world, since he liked plants, animals, the ocean, etc., you get the idea. He only wanted to punish humanity, and wipe them all out by opening the barrier between the human and demon worlds.

Also, unlike what you find in stuff like Bleach, Naruto, and DBZ, YYH took a slightly different turn with the other bad guys in this arc. Most shounen will have a bunch of super powered minions, that will cause the good guys to go into long fights, using all kings of overpowered attacks. Well, if you noticed, Sensui's psychic minions were anything but that. They all actually had the strength of normal humans, but each had unique abilities which made them formidable challenges for the main characters to overcome. That right there was very original, and especially for the time in which YYH came out. If you think about it, the only real fight that you saw in the Chapter Black arc, were the ones between Kurama and Elder Toguro, as well as Yusuke's and Sensui's fight.

To put it shortly: Yes, all of that is depth. The fact that I could go on for pages describing all of the other aspects of the Chapter Black arc, shows that. Perhaps you just don't actually care about what is going on within an arc that you watch, at least in YYH, and just look at the raw plot on the outside, when you are watching.

And once again, you are completely wrong, this time about the 3 Kings arc having no motivation. Honestly, don't you at least listen to the dialogue a little bit. Both Yusuke and Kurama had VERY BIG reasons to go to demon world. Hiei was really the only one who didn't have a solid reason. Kurama had to go in order to save his mother, that much should be obvious. Yusuke didn't just leave everybody behind in order to fight. Once again, by actually paying a little bit of attention to the show, it would occur to you that a war was about to break out it demone world. The fate of the human world depended upon how the war turned out. If Yomi won, then he would trie to intigrate the 2 worlds, which would prove to be disasterous, since humans weren't ready to live with demons in co-existence, according to Koenma. Since Yusuke was still a Spirit Detective, he had no choice but to go and find a way of preventing this from happening. Also, he had specifically promised Keiko that he would come back, which shows that he cared about her. And if he really was fighting with no motive, he would not have come back after defeating Sensui, and went on to fight Raizen, but he didn't, because he knew he had to get back home to the people who cared about him.

Plus, after viewing Yusuke's last fight, with Yomi, it was clear that he always needed a reason to fight. Look at how he had stopped fighting for a few moments, realizing that he no longer had a reason to go into combat with Yomi, or so he thought. That shows that he did not wish to fight if he didn't need to, and wasn't just a guy who fought mindlessly. At any rate, he heard Genkai's voice at the end, reminding him of his reason, that he was fighting for the sake of everyone else, his mother and friends, for their futures. And in the end, he kept his promise of coming back to Keiko, and actually did it before 3 years had passed.

Honestly, I could keep going on and on about this, if it weren't so tiring and time-consuming to write all of this. And I doubt that you would read it all anyways. At any rate, the bottom line is that what it all comes down to, was the fact that you did not even take a second to annalyze these arcs one bit. That's why I said earlier that what you said was your opinion in not liking it, and I didn't care about that. But a good deal of what I have just said in this post, is actual facts from the series. And you did not pay attention to many of them, from what it looks like in your post. Also, what comes above the depth, is the enterainment. I'm sure you would not understand what I got out of YYH, but I got lots of enjoyment out of it, and more than in any other anime. If you're going to get pissed off at that, then tough luck, because its my opinion, and I'm not changing it just because someone disagrees with me.

Chapter Black was the best, and DBZ set the satge for Shonen manga. It's not suprising that it influence's shonen manga.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
LOL

Do you even pay attention to what you watch? Sensui was more than just a guy who wanted to destroy the world. An average shounen would just put in any random guy, however Sensui was more complex than your average villain from the beginning. First of all, having him be Yusuke's predecessor as a Spirit Detective was ingeneous of the creator. It was also extremely learn how he totally turned his views after encountering demons being tortured by the Black Black Club. He was also far more intelligent than a villain from you average shounen. For example, if you were actually paying attention, you would remember how he had specifically recruited game master knowing full well that he would die to one of Yusuke's team members, when they tried to get to him. Through this method, he knew that Koenma would be forces to use his Mafuuken, which would reduce its power for when Koenma tried to use it on him. That's just pre brilliance in planning, and is only one example.

Also, Sensui's motives were actually questionable. I mean, who can deny that there are plenty of humans who are even more evil and corrupt than most of the demons which you see in YYH. In case you didn't get the message, that was symbolism for how the world is filled with greedy and heartless people, who can be even worse than the mystical demons that we fatasize about in stories about good and evil. And BTW, you are completely wrong about Sensui wanting to "destroy the world," which only further goes to prove that you did not even take any time to annalyze what was actually being said in this arc. Sensui himself said that he did not want to destroy the world, since he liked plants, animals, the ocean, etc., you get the idea. He only wanted to punish humanity, and wipe them all out by opening the barrier between the human and demon worlds.

Also, unlike what you find in stuff like Bleach, Naruto, and DBZ, YYH took a slightly different turn with the other bad guys in this arc. Most shounen will have a bunch of super powered minions, that will cause the good guys to go into long fights, using all kings of overpowered attacks. Well, if you noticed, Sensui's psychic minions were anything but that. They all actually had the strength of normal humans, but each had unique abilities which made them formidable challenges for the main characters to overcome. That right there was very original, and especially for the time in which YYH came out. If you think about it, the only real fight that you saw in the Chapter Black arc, were the ones between Kurama and Elder Toguro, as well as Yusuke's and Sensui's fight.

To put it shortly: Yes, all of that is depth. The fact that I could go on for pages describing all of the other aspects of the Chapter Black arc, shows that. Perhaps you just don't actually care about what is going on within an arc that you watch, at least in YYH, and just look at the raw plot on the outside, when you are watching.

And once again, you are completely wrong, this time about the 3 Kings arc having no motivation. Honestly, don't you at least listen to the dialogue a little bit. Both Yusuke and Kurama had VERY BIG reasons to go to demon world. Hiei was really the only one who didn't have a solid reason. Kurama had to go in order to save his mother, that much should be obvious. Yusuke didn't just leave everybody behind in order to fight. Once again, by actually paying a little bit of attention to the show, it would occur to you that a war was about to break out it demone world. The fate of the human world depended upon how the war turned out. If Yomi won, then he would trie to intigrate the 2 worlds, which would prove to be disasterous, since humans weren't ready to live with demons in co-existence, according to Koenma. Since Yusuke was still a Spirit Detective, he had no choice but to go and find a way of preventing this from happening. Also, he had specifically promised Keiko that he would come back, which shows that he cared about her. And if he really was fighting with no motive, he would not have come back after defeating Sensui, and went on to fight Raizen, but he didn't, because he knew he had to get back home to the people who cared about him.

Plus, after viewing Yusuke's last fight, with Yomi, it was clear that he always needed a reason to fight. Look at how he had stopped fighting for a few moments, realizing that he no longer had a reason to go into combat with Yomi, or so he thought. That shows that he did not wish to fight if he didn't need to, and wasn't just a guy who fought mindlessly. At any rate, he heard Genkai's voice at the end, reminding him of his reason, that he was fighting for the sake of everyone else, his mother and friends, for their futures. And in the end, he kept his promise of coming back to Keiko, and actually did it before 3 years had passed.

Honestly, I could keep going on and on about this, if it weren't so tiring and time-consuming to write all of this. And I doubt that you would read it all anyways. At any rate, the bottom line is that what it all comes down to, was the fact that you did not even take a second to annalyze these arcs one bit. That's why I said earlier that what you said was your opinion in not liking it, and I didn't care about that. But a good deal of what I have just said in this post, is actual facts from the series. And you did not pay attention to many of them, from what it looks like in your post. Also, what comes above the depth, is the enterainment. I'm sure you would not understand what I got out of YYH, but I got lots of enjoyment out of it, and more than in any other anime. If you're going to get pissed off at that, then tough luck, because its my opinion, and I'm not changing it just because someone disagrees with me.

And you tell me you don't care what I think? Right. For somebody who doesn't care, you sure are dedicated.

Anyways, if you want to, please start a YYH thread if there isn't one already. I'll respond to everything here, there. It's going seriously off tangent to be talking about why Chapter Black and 3 King sagas suck in an Ichigo arc, you know?

Best scene in YYH = Kuwabara having that nightmare about him kissing Yusuke. That = win. =)

Originally posted by Haruhi
And you tell me you don't care what I think? Right. For somebody who doesn't care, you sure are dedicated.

Anyways, if you want to, please start a YYH thread if there isn't one already. I'll respond to everything here, there. It's going seriously off tangent to be talking about why Chapter Black and 3 King sagas suck in an Ichigo arc, you know?

Best scene in YYH = Kuwabara having that nightmare about him kissing Yusuke. That = win. =)

I don't care about you stating your opinions, that's fine. What I do care about is you stating false facts about YYH. In that case, I would respond to you. And is it just me, or does almost everyone on this forum love to argue. I'm not starting a YYH thread just to argue with you, so sorry if that's what you had planned :roll: . At least I have reasons for why I like those arcs. All you're pretty much doing is stating that they suck, and your expecting it to count as a fact just because you think that way. Tell you what, if you really want to argue that badly, you can do it on another forum which I will give you the link to. On that forum, we can get outside opinions from unbiased people, to see if they think like you, or if what you are saying is really only you're opinion .

BTW, just for the record, you were stating that you liked Bleach's fighting/action better as a reason for why you like it better. I'm not critisizing you or anything, but that kind of shows me that you don't really care all that much about depth, or that you are one of those people who feel that nothing that is shounen and action can have depth to it .

Whatever, I'm done with this argument. I'll agree to disagree with you, but just know that you're opinion is your own, as is mine. If you don't like YYH, that's fine, its nothing to me. All that really matters is that I like the series as a whole, and its one of my favorite manga/anime since it has entertained me more than most series have. Just don't go stating your opinions as facts, that's my only real problem with what you have been posting.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
Just don't go stating your opinions as facts, that's my only real problem with what you have been posting.
Uhh... he didn't.

In fact, all he did was make a casual comment about the series that wasn't even directed towards you, which somehow upset you enough to write an entire essay stating why he was wrong.

Originally posted by Accel
Uhh... he didn't.

In fact, all he did was make a casual comment about the series that wasn't even directed towards you, which somehow upset you enough to write an entire essay stating why he was wrong.

If he didn't direct his comment towards me, then whey did he quote my post?

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
I don't care about you stating your opinions, that's fine. What I do care about is you stating false facts about YYH. In that case, I would respond to you. And is it just me, or does almost everyone on this forum love to argue. I'm not starting a YYH thread just to argue with you, so sorry if that's what you had planned :roll: . At least I have reasons for why I like those arcs. All you're pretty much doing is stating that they suck, and your expecting it to count as a fact just because you think that way. Tell you what, if you really want to argue that badly, you can do it on another forum which I will give you the link to. On that forum, we can get outside opinions from unbiased people, to see if they think like you, or if what you are saying is really only you're opinion .

BTW, just for the record, you were stating that you liked Bleach's fighting/action better as a reason for why you like it better. I'm not critisizing you or anything, but that kind of shows me that you don't really care all that much about depth, or that you are one of those people who feel that nothing that is shounen and action can have depth to it .

Whatever, I'm done with this argument. I'll agree to disagree with you, but just know that you're opinion is your own, as is mine. If you don't like YYH, that's fine, its nothing to me. All that really matters is that I like the series as a whole, and its one of my favorite manga/anime since it has entertained me more than most series have. Just don't go stating your opinions as facts, that's my only real problem with what you have been posting.

1. You know, it's funny that you keep saying "I don't care about your opinion" when you're actually willing to type up an entire paragraph about why you think my opinion is wrong and/or unfounded. It's so obvious you took it personally since this OT discussion even started (who blew up on who first? duhr). Nice try, but in the end, you're still coming off as the rabid fanboy I pissed off. And where the hell did I state that CB sucking was a fact? You're coming at me with your fanboy rants based on your incorrect assumption, in which case, it's really quite pathetic.

2. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that in a genre that's prevalent with FIGHTING, I'm supposed to be looking for subtle nuances of depth! :rollseyes: There's a difference between a series having depth and you just reading deeper into it than the average fan.

3. I don't recall ever saying that anything I said was facts. I made a casual comment AKA MY OPINION, and you took it personally, somehow thinking it was a fact and went off on me. BTW, welcome to what I said several posts ago about agreeing to disagree.



Maybe because you're the one that thought Yusuke/YYH deserved a respect thread? And again, where in my original post did I say it's a fact?

Originally posted by Haruhi
1. You know, it's funny that you keep saying "I don't care about your opinion" when you're actually willing to type up an entire paragraph about why you think my opinion is wrong and/or unfounded. It's so obvious you took it personally since this OT discussion even started (who blew up on who first? duhr). Nice try, but in the end, you're still coming off as the rabid fanboy I pissed off. And where the hell did I state that CB sucking was a fact? You're coming at me with your fanboy rants based on your incorrect assumption, in which case, it's really quite pathetic.

2. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that in a genre that's prevalent with FIGHTING, I'm supposed to be looking for subtle nuances of depth! :rollseyes: There's a difference between a series having depth and you just reading deeper into it than the average fan.

3. I don't recall ever saying that anything I said was facts. I made a casual comment AKA MY OPINION, and you took it personally, somehow thinking it was a fact and went off on me. BTW, welcome to what I said several posts ago about agreeing to disagree.



Maybe because you're the one that thought Yusuke/YYH deserved a respect thread? And again, where in my original post did I say it's a fact?

Actually, you stated your opinion, and then I just stated mine in response, explaining why I felt that Yusuke deserved some respect. You just somehow took it the wrong way, and responded to me in a pretty harsh way for just stating my opinion. That's what got me pissed.

Also, if you read my earlier post, I said that I was responding to the fallicies of what you were saying, and not your opinions which you stated. And BTW, just because something has action doesn't mean that it can't be deep. If anything, I think its you going by the stereotype that shounen does not equal deep. Well in that case, I suppose Fullmetal Alchemist and Rurouni Kenshin, which both have action in them, are just average fighting series, with no depth whatsoever, according to your definition. I didn't look in any deeper than the average fan, I just simply "payed attention to what I was watching." And YYH isn't all about fighting. Plus, I'm not the only person whose noticed the depth to the CB arc.

Alright, I'm sorry for blowing up on you. I admit, I was in a bad mood at the time, and it was stupid of me. So sorry about that. But just for the record, actually knowing a good deal about a show doesn't make me a fanboy of it. If I were completely obsessed with it to no end, that would be a different story. Just defending it alone isn't enough to label me as a fanboy for it.

But, whatever. You were the one saying that you wanted to get back on topic, yet you also keep responding to me, so its pretty hypocritical of you to say how I won't stop talking about this, when you keep responding to me yourself, and when you yourself wanted said that we should stop. So, if you're serious about that, then lets stop right here, and just stick with our own opinions.

One more for the road, kiddo.

Responded harshly? Please, if you think my disagreeing with you is harsh, you have a lot to learn about the internet, d00d.

Actually, believe it or not, I consider Rurouni Kenshin and Full Metal Alchemist to be above the run-of-the-mill shounen, and as such, don't label them like I would YYH. Am I going to hold that against YYH? Absolutely not. YYH is one of the pioneers in what we have today, so I certainly respect it for everything it has accomplished. But to say it has depth when compared to things like RK and FMA? Yeah, right. The Sensui saga might be DEEPER than everything else in the series, but that isn't saying much.

Eh, no big deal. We're both YYH fans, right? We're nakamas!

And since you're such an avid YYH fan, I suggest you check out Flame of Recca, if you haven't already. When it comes down to it, it's really just a newer, flashier version of YYH. Not as good, but it kept me pretty glued throughout the duration of it.

Originally posted by Haruhi
One more for the road, kiddo.

Responded harshly? Please, if you think my disagreeing with you is harsh, you have a lot to learn about the internet, d00d.

Actually, believe it or not, I consider Rurouni Kenshin and Full Metal Alchemist to be above the run-of-the-mill shounen, and as such, don't label them like I would YYH. Am I going to hold that against YYH? Absolutely not. YYH is one of the pioneers in what we have today, so I certainly respect it for everything it has accomplished. But to say it has depth when compared to things like RK and FMA? Yeah, right. The Sensui saga might be DEEPER than everything else in the series, but that isn't saying much.

Eh, no big deal. We're both YYH fans, right? We're nakamas!

And since you're such an avid YYH fan, I suggest you check out Flame of Recca, if you haven't already. When it comes down to it, it's really just a newer, flashier version of YYH. Not as good, but it kept me pretty glued throughout the duration of it.

No problem. If you don't see it as deep, that's fine. Although I personally find it to be just as deep as both the RK manga, as well as FMA. But that's just the way I, as well as a few of my friends on other sites, view YYH. I respect your opinion, and I apologize for going off on you.

Anyways, Flame of Recca is on my list of manga to read, and I plan to get to it after I'm done with my last few college essays.

BTW, I have just one favor to ask you. Could you please not call me kiddo anymore ? Ensatsu-ken, Ensatsu, Ken, or EK, would be more appreciated, if possible .

Hey, what about Ichigo's respect (everyone seem to have forgotten)?

Originally posted by dvampire
Hey, what about Ichigo's respect (everyone seem to have forgotten)?

Ichigo roccketh.

Originally posted by dvampire
Hey, what about Ichigo's respect (everyone seem to have forgotten)?

He's pretty cool. Although, he's not my favorite Bleach character.

Originally posted by ensatsu-ken
He's pretty cool. Although, he's not my favorite Bleach character.

Me neither. That goes to Yoruichi for being uber hawt and fast. Kenpachi is up there, too.

I wonder if Ichigo's going to get many more power-ups? He's been getting his ass kicked lately

Originally posted by superkronick92
I wonder if Ichigo's going to get many more power-ups? He's been getting his ass kicked lately
The guy's been getting too many power-ups as it is. He gets a random power-up when fighting Kenpachi, one when training with Yoruichi, and now he just randomly gets stronger and more powerful each time he enters that Hollow-state of his.

I know he's the main character of a shonen series, but still, that shit gets old after a while. I'd prefer it if he just started using more tactics than rely on pure power.

Just like Ryo.

i dont understand what kenpachi can do against noitra tha ichigo cudnt do? {he HAS been getting his ass kicked too much.} . also, its stupid to pput up byakuya against that arrancnar when he lost to hollow ichigo.

also, bleach has gotten BORING!

Bleach's biggest problem is that it's basically become DBZ with less strategy involved in its fights. Most fights usually involve the following sequence:

-Person A being more powerful than Person B and starts beating him up.

-Then Person B all of a sudden becomes more powerful than Person A and starts dominating the fight.

-Then Person A reveals more of his true power and the cycle repeats itself all over again.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont understand what kenpachi can do against noitra tha ichigo cudnt do? {he HAS been getting his ass kicked too much.} . also, its stupid to pput up byakuya against that arrancnar when he lost to hollow ichigo.

also, bleach has gotten BORING!

I actually agree with all of that.

Good respect thread Akuki, I personally hate Ichigo, but a good job nonetheless! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont understand what kenpachi can do against noitra tha ichigo cudnt do? {he HAS been getting his ass kicked too much.} . also, its stupid to pput up byakuya against that arrancnar when he lost to hollow ichigo.

also, bleach has gotten BORING!

This isn't the bleach discussion thread.