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Great Magical bolts!! Which Side Prevails?

Truth be told Talisman could simply cancel all magic in the area.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Truth be told Talisman could simply cancel all magic in the area.

durfist Damn canadians. durthor

She has shown to cast shields that can withstand class 100 blows with no problems, so I don't see BA getting through them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
She has shown to cast shields that can withstand class 100 blows with no problems, so I don't see BA getting through them.

God damn Canadians. durwank Why do they have to be so rediculously uber? Don't they know that they're supposed to lose to make America look good?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
God damn Canadians. durwank

Ha! Witchfire another magical user from Alpha Flight was going to be used to take over the multiverse by her father Belasco.

Were uber

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ha! Witchfire another magical user from Alpha Flight was going to be used to take over the multiverse by her father Belasco.

Were uber

durfist Read the rest of the post, you damn dirty canuck.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
durfist Read the rest of the post, you damn dirty canuck.

damn you and your damn edit button!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
damn you and your damn edit button!

dur you and your dirty canadian eyes! durfty

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Truth be told Talisman could simply cancel all magic in the area. Zatanna can do that too.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Zatanna can do that too.

Not at the level of Talisman, and yes I know all about Zatanna and what she can do. Talisman has controlled skyfather beings merely because they were from the spirit world. She's the god's avatar to fight evil

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not at the level of Talisman, and yes I know all about Zatanna and what she can do. Talisman has controlled skyfather beings merely because they were from the spirit world. She's the god's avatar to fight evil

Zatanna gave batman a spell that short circuited the sky father lvl being circe. And Zatanna with magic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Great Magical bolts!! Which Side Prevails?

team 2 wins

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Zatanna gave batman a spell that short circuited the sky father lvl being circe. And Zatanna with magic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman.

Circe is no Great Beasts or the Gods of the Arctic.... far from it and Talisman can control them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Circe is no Great Beasts or the Gods of the Arctic.... far from it and Talisman can control them.

Circe was powerful enough to bewitch all of the gods. She Was able to keep out every hero on earth with her shields in amazons attacks. She was able to strip the enchantments of the Gods from WW, Cassie, and Donna. And even herc if I remember. Circe is certainly a challenge to ANY magical user.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
She's the god's avatar to fight evil

And Wolverine is his right hand ermm

I'm sensing massive bias in Marvel's writing staff.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Circe was powerful enough to bewitch all of the gods. She Was able to keep out every hero on earth with her shields in amazons attacks. She was able to strip the enchantments of the Gods from WW, Cassie, and Donna. And even herc if I remember. Circe is certainly a challenge to ANY magical user.

The Great Beasts are older then the Greek Gods, their older then the Earth itself. Heck their from a time before right and wrong and their the Elder Gods of the Night and are responsible for mankind fearing the darkness and cold. Their also the personification of death on Earth when it was first commencing alive.

Not against a being who defeated Llan who is easily above Circe and who can call over 20,000 years of magical experience. Talisman has even absorbed an entire universe inside her head in a matter of seconds. Even Dr.Strange has called Talisman "a primal force of nature" and when Elizibeth first gained her powers she was cancelling out Loki's powerful Fire Fountain spell like nothing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ha! Witchfire another magical user from Alpha Flight was going to be used to take over the multiverse by her father Belasco.

Were uber
Hell yeah. Regina for the win!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And Wolverine is his right hand ermm

I'm sensing massive bias in Marvel's writing staff.

She is the Native American messiah:

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Pg.jpg

"a mortel channel that the gods can fight the evil ones"

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Even Snowbird bows before her

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2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight19-04.jpg

Dr.Strange calling her "a primal force of nature"

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight78-10.jpg

Originally posted by Takion
Hell yeah. Regina for the win!

Bah! Barrie, Ontario for the win

Team 2 easily. Talisman casts a spell on Zatanna so that she cannot speak backwards (I'm sure she can do it somehow), while Thor distracts BA. Once Zatanna is neutralized, Talisman strips BA of his powers. She then shrinks both of them down and tosses them in the pouch for safe keeping.

OR, Talisman commands the air spirits to keep Zatanna from breathing (and therefore speaking) until she passes out. Thor distracts BA long enough for Talisman to neutralize him by absorbing/negating the magic which powers him (as I believe she did with one of the wrecking crew in OF #4 or #5). Once they are both neutralized, Talisman then shrinks them and drops them in the medicine pouch.

Either way, if Talisman is written properly Team 1 should go down pretty quickly.

Even if, however, Talisman is written poorly this most likely stalemates, with Team 1 still having a slight advantage IMO.

Originally posted by shksprtx
Team 2 easily. Talisman casts a spell on Zatanna so that she cannot speak backwards (I'm sure she can do it somehow), while Thor distracts BA. Once Zatanna is neutralized, Talisman strips BA of his powers. She then shrinks both of them down and tosses them in the pouch for safe keeping.

OR, Talisman commands the air spirits to keep Zatanna from breathing (and therefore speaking) until she passes out. Thor distracts BA long enough for Talisman to neutralize him by absorbing/negating the magic which powers him (as I believe she did with one of the wrecking crew in OF #4 or #5). Once they are both neutralized, Talisman then shrinks them and drops them in the medicine pouch.

Either way, if Talisman is written properly Team 1 should go down pretty quickly.

Even if, however, Talisman is written poorly this most likely stalemates, with Team 1 still having a slight advantage IMO.

Zatanna doesn't need to speak to perform her magic. it's just a gimmick she uses. I think this is a stalemate or win for marvel based upon thor being superior to BA in that Thor I think, can drain beings of thier magic. Now I dont' know if he can drain a being like BA. but if he can, then this is slight win for marvel. Talisman is IMO, the same lvl as Zatanna.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Zatanna doesn't need to speak to perform her magic. it's just a gimmick she uses.

Either way, as Mungi pointed out, her magic is useless against Talisman, who can absorb/negate magical energy as part of her powerset.

Originally posted by shksprtx
Either way, as Mungi pointed out, her magic is useless against Talisman, who can absorb/negate magical energy as part of her powerset.

But so can Zatanna. She showed this when she gave batman a simple spell that short circuited Circe.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But so can Zatanna. She showed this when she gave batman a simple spell that short circuited Circe.

But the point is Zatanna needs a spell to do that. Talisman can absorb/negate magical energy without a spell. Hell, she's even done it without the Coronet of Power. Zatanna can do NOTHING to stop her, short of maybe clocking her with a strong right cross. But Talisman has had some decent martial arts training, so I doubt even that would help much.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But so can Zatanna. She showed this when she gave batman a simple spell that short circuited Circe.


Nvr, much s I like Zatanna, Talisman destroys her. Talisman has eons of magic crammed into her head and Shaman's medicine pouch. She's on Dr. Strange's level, and I mean the classic Sorcerer Supreme of the 616 universe Strange, not the 'I can't even beat Hand Ninjas' Strange.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Talisman is IMO, the same lvl as Zatanna.

Zatanna isn't even in the same zip code, much less neighborhood, as Talisman.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nvr, much s I like Zatanna, Talisman destroys her. Talisman has eons of magic crammed into her head and Shaman's medicine pouch. She's on Dr. Strange's level, and I mean the classic Sorcerer Supreme of the 616 universe Strange, not the 'I can't even beat Hand Ninjas' Strange.

Well, Zatanna, With kid gloves on, banished mary marvel, who has some kind of power up from eclipso. Zatanna summoned a genie for crist sakes. And zatanna did short circuit circe. Talisman isn't as powerful as people make her out to be, or she surely wouldn't be on a team. She could do it all her own.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Zatanna doesn't need to speak to perform her magic. it's just a gimmick she uses. I think this is a stalemate or win for marvel based upon thor being superior to BA in that Thor I think, can drain beings of thier magic. Now I dont' know if he can drain a being like BA. but if he can, then this is slight win for marvel. Talisman is IMO, the same lvl as Zatanna.

It's a gimmick she does to concentrate as she needs to do it to help her focus. Performing the spells without saying it backwards as noted by her is dangerous as she can easily mess up. Even recently Talisman was draining out a Tanaraq charged Wrecking Crew where one just pounded Beta Ray Bill to a bloody mess and her shields blocked their planet crushing blows thanks to their upgrade. What? No Zatanna isn't even close to being on Talisman's level. You think Zatanna can take Llan? Hell she is the jail keeper for the Ska'r as she banished their entire race plus their city and hundreds of thousands of people to a back water dimension and holds them captive as they can destroy the planet by causing everyone to go crazy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But so can Zatanna. She showed this when she gave batman a simple spell that short circuited Circe.

Once again Talisman has shown to do that on a far higher level then Zatanna ever has done

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well, Zatanna, With kid gloves on, banished mary marvel, who has some kind of power up from eclipso. Zatanna summoned a genie for crist sakes. And zatanna did short circuit circe. Talisman isn't as powerful as people make her out to be, or she surely wouldn't be on a team. She could do it all her own.

Actually she rarely ever truly worked WITh Alpha Flight, except for early on when Shaman was trying to help her grow into her powers. In fact, she has worked against them before, and even manipulated them into getting beaten pretty badly by Pestilence, whom IIRC she probably could have taken out solo if she had been a bit more experienced and a bit less cocky.

Talisman never NEEDED to work with a team. That's just kind of how it ended up working out for her.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's a gimmick she does to concentrate as she needs to do it to help her focus. Performing the spells without saying it backwards as noted by her is dangerous as she can easily mess up. Even recently Talisman was draining out a Tanaraq charged Wrecking Crew where one just pounded Beta Ray Bill to a bloody mess and her shields blocked their planet crushing blows thanks to their upgrade. What? No Zatanna isn't even close to being on Talisman's level. You think Zatanna can take Llan? Hell she is the jail keeper for the Ska'r as she banished their entire race plus their city and hundreds of thousands of people to a back water dimension and holds them captive as they can destroy the planet by causing everyone to go crazy.



Once again Talisman has shown to do that on a far higher level then Zatanna ever has done

No. She does it out of homage to her father. Her mother is mystical and zatanna doesn't need to say any spells. She doesn't even need to concentrate. Zatanna has some awesome feats. i'm researching the net now. i've found that she is called the most powerful member of the JLA quite a few times barring the PS. i can almost bet, she and Talisman are in the field. I just ran across good feats for her. once i get thru going thru them all, i'll be back.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well, Zatanna, With kid gloves on, banished mary marvel, who has some kind of power up from eclipso. Zatanna summoned a genie for crist sakes. And zatanna did short circuit circe. Talisman isn't as powerful as people make her out to be, or she surely wouldn't be on a team. She could do it all her own.

and? Talisman has banished an entire city with the Ska'r with ease

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As I mentioned before, this is Talisman II taking control of the Great Beasts. Just to note Talisman II is inferior to Elizibeth

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Oh she isn't? please enlighten me how she isn't. Wait a minute she isn't on a team, she only tagged around Alpha Flight because her father was teaching her control. Also horrible logic as I guess Dr.Strange doesn't need to be on a team or Silver Surfer

Why are people ignoring the surfer with a magic hammer and the Arab guy latex?

I mean come on people Zatanna and Talisman will be too busy fawning over their team mates to fight.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. She does it out of homage to her father. Her mother is mystical and zatanna doesn't need to say any spells. She doesn't even need to concentrate. Zatanna has some awesome feats. i'm researching the net now. i've found that she is called the most powerful member of the JLA quite a few times barring the PS. i can almost bet, she and Talisman are in the field. I just ran across good feats for her. once i get thru going thru them all, i'll be back.

Incorrect, she has stated it multiple times as it's a form of concentration. I know Zatanna, please show me proof she doesn't need to say any words and she merely does it as a homage to her father which is incorrect. I know Zatanna, her best feat is when she battled a soressor and seemed like they were battling over the planet earth in giant forms.

Here's a bio site that says the same thing I have said

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Zatanna/index.htm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why are people ignoring the surfer with a magic hammer and the Arab guy latex?

I mean come on people Zatanna and Talisman will be too busy fawning over their team mates to fight.

You made me LOL.

As far as the bricks go, BA may have the strength, speed, etc. of the gods, but Thor IS a god. Accept no substitutes.

However, I think this more or less just sort of stalemates until one of the mages (most likely Talisman) can assist.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Incorrect, she has stated it multiple times as it's a form of concentration. I know Zatanna, please show me proof she doesn't need to say any words and she merely does it as a homage to her father which is incorrect. I know Zatanna, her best feat is when she battled the soressor and seemed like they were battling over the planet earth in giant forms.

No. Zatanna's mother is from a magical race. They throw spells around for fun. The back wards thing is homage to her father. And she has some better feats that the fight on earth. I'll get back to you on this one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. Zatanna's mother is from a magical race. They throw spells around for fun. The back wards thing is homage to her father. And she has some better feats that the fight on earth. I'll get back to you on this one.

Gah! I know their magical, but it's a form of concentration. Once again I know her best feats so the point of this?

Website saying the same thing I did
http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Zatanna/index.htm

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Gah! I know their magical, but it's a form of concentration. Once again I know her best feats so the point of this?

Website saying the same thing I did
http://galileo.spaceports.com/~xsufiru/databank/Zatanna/index.htm

This site you use, even alludes to the fact that Zatanna hasnt' discovered her limits if she has any.

Talisman is said to be equal to Dr.Strange himself, and she is the Spirit Binder. WHich means she commands spirits to her will. Such as the spirit of time and space, basically everything has a spirit and she can command it that's why she could control skyfathers

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10. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-23.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This site you use, even alludes to the fact that Zatanna hasnt' discovered her limits if she has any.

To this date she hasn't DONE anything to put her over Talisman and that's a fact. For instance absorb an entire universe in her head in mere seconds, it caused her brain damage which she shortly healed afterwards but if she didn't rush it she would have been fine.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_12.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_15.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_16.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Talisman is said to be equal to Dr.Strange himself, and she is the Spirit Binder. WHich means she commands spirits to her will. Such as the spirit of time and space, basically everything has a spirit and she can command it that's why she could control skyfathers

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-01.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-02.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-03.jpg
4. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-06.jpg
5. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-14.jpg
6. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-18.jpg
7. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-19.jpg
8. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-21.jpg
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10. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight81-23.jpg

As I said, Circe has controlled skyfathers. And batman shorted her out with a spell from zatanna. A novice, taught a spell indirectly from zatanna. I'm guessing they aren't that far apart. Id wager talisman isn't the equal of PIS strange.

ZATANNA: Hey, whatcha got in the pouch?

TALISMAN: You wanna see?

ZATANNA: Sure...

TALISMAN: (Opening pouch) Check it out...

ZATANNA: (Looking into pouch...) Oh my... (goes crazy and passes out).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, Circe has controlled skyfathers. And batman shorted her out with a spell from zatanna. A novice, taught a spell indirectly from zatanna. I'm guessing they aren't that far apart. Id wager talisman isn't the equal of PIS strange.

She manipulated them, big difference. Here Talisman even before she knew she was the Talisman or getting the Talisman of power is taking on the Elder God Ranaq which took what seemed to be a universe popping attack to stop him.

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7. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-22.jpg

Considering the Talisman 20,000 years ago and 10,000 years ago beat Llan a being that punked Strange twice I wouldn't agree with that

Originally posted by King_Mungi
She manipulated them, big difference. Here Talisman even before she knew she was the Talisman or getting the Talisman of power is taking on the Elder God .Ranaq which took a universe popping attack to stop him.

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-16.jpg
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3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-18.jpg
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5. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-20.jpg
6. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg
7. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-22.jpg

Considering the Talisman 20,000 years ago and 10,000 years ago beat Llan a being that punked Strange twice I wouldn't agree with that

So now Talisman>>>>Classic Dr. Strange. Will wonders never cease.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So now Talisman>>>>Classic Dr. Strange. Will wonders never cease.

This is, BTW, pretty much by Strange's own admission.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So now Talisman>>>>Classic Dr. Strange. Will wonders never cease.

No where did I state that or claimed it. I even said they were equals earlier as noted in the comics so don't TRY to discredit me.

The Talisman 20,000 years ago maybe as she took on Llan directly and put the curse on him in the first place but we havn't seen much from her so I can't say. Current Talisman is not above Strange, their equals

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No where did I state that or claimed it. I even said they were equals earlier as noted in the comics so don't TRY to discredit me.

The Talisman 20,000 years ago maybe as she took on Llan directly and put the curse on him in the first place but we havn't seen much from her so I can't say. Current Talisman is not above Strange, their equals
I'm not discrediting you. I dont' know enough about her. I thought you were saying she was superior to him becuz she beat someone he couldn't. Now I just dont' see her as being his equal, her feats impressive, dont' seem up to par with his. they seem around zatanna lvl. Tamato tomAto. it's allt he same.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not discrediting you. I dont' know enough about her. I thought you were saying she was superior to him becuz she beat someone he couldn't. Now I just dont' see her as being his equal, her feats impressive, dont' seem up to par with his. they seem around zatanna lvl. Tamato tomAto. it's allt he same.

That's fine just miscommunication, but as on-panel feats go she still has vastly superiors ones then Zatanna. I know them all, as I'm more of a DC reader then Marvel.

Which is why I'm not on this board much anymore as the DC hate is driving me bonkers.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That's fine just miscommunication, but as on-panel feats go she still has vastly superiors ones then Zatanna. I know them all, as I'm more of a DC reader then Marvel.

Which is why I'm not on this board much anymore as the DC hate is driving me bonkers.

it is a lot of DC hating. It's getting serious too. It's one reason why I argue so hard for DC characters. And it pains me to give a marvel character a win becuz of all the DC hating. Now Zatanna does have an uber feat. soemthing about a disease that was goign to destroy the universe. What was that all about?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it is a lot of DC hating. It's getting serious too. It's one reason why I argue so hard for DC characters. And it pains me to give a marvel character a win becuz of all the DC hating. Now Zatanna does have an uber feat. soemthing about a disease that was goign to destroy the universe. What was that all about?

Well I have backed you up on several points showing you were telling the truth when they said you lied. I tend to stay away as no way are you going to convince them otherwise so basically your going to go in circles.

Oh she definetly has uber feats, no way am I saying she doesn't just Talisman rountine battles skyfathers and I guess Llan was an abstract but wasn't properly defined. Honestly don't recall of the top of head but it might have been during the Satellite years

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well I have backed you up on several points showing you were telling the truth when they said you lied. I tend to stay away as no way are you going to convince them otherwise so basically your going to go in circles.

Oh she definetly has uber feats, no way am I saying she doesn't just Talisman rountine battles skyfathers and I guess Llan was an abstract but wasn't properly defined. Honestly don't recall of the top of head but it might have been during the Satellite years

Well thanks for the back up. Honestly I just picked talisman cuz she seemed uber. marvel doesn't have many mages. And to my knowlege Zatanna is the 2nd most powerful mage on DC earth. and talisman seemed like a good match. didn't pick doom cuz he's too smart.

I can't speak for the others on the forums, but in my case it's not so much a matter of hating against DC as it is my being much more familiar with Marvel characters. I never was a big DC reader, so I tend to underestimate many of the DCU characters.

Originally posted by shksprtx
I can't speak for the others on the forums, but in my case it's not so much a matter of hating against DC as it is my being much more familiar with Marvel characters. I never was a big DC reader, so I tend to underestimate many of the DCU characters.

When a thread comes up that you dont' know much about a character, look in the respect thread and get a general Idea. if no respec thread exist, you can ask me. If you dont' believe me, then confirm it with Jun or galan or king mungi.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and talisman seemed like a good match. didn't pick doom cuz he's too smart.

Errrr? in regards to magic Talisman surpasses Doom quite easily and she also is prophetic seeing into the future so his intelligence won't mean much. Also the Talisman of power actually feeds her information which is from the Gods.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When a thread comes up that you dont' know much about a character, look in the respect thread and get a general Idea. if no respec thread exist, you can ask me. If you dont' believe me, then confirm it with Jun or galan or king mungi.

I try to do just that. I also try to look up character bios if I plan on trying to participate in the debate. I know there is some question as to the accuracy of many bios, but some info is better than none.

I will say that, despite iffy canonicity, watching the DCAU shows has given me better perspective on a number of characters.

That's also why I have a lot of respect for debaters like you, Galan, and Mungi. You know your stuff, and you come into any debate prepared to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

However, I suspect much of the "DC Hate" on the boards is actually just uninformed Marvel fanboy-ism, especially when Wolvie and Hulk are involved...

Having said all that, I still think the Marvels win this...

Well this is weird.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Well this is weird.

Aaaaaaaand, awkward silence...

Originally posted by shksprtx
I try to do just that. I also try to look up character bios if I plan on trying to participate in the debate. I know there is some question as to the accuracy of many bios, but some info is better than none.

I will say that, despite iffy canonicity, watching the DCAU shows has given me better perspective on a number of characters.

That's also why I have a lot of respect for debaters like you, Galan, and Mungi. You know your stuff, and you come into any debate prepared to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

However, I suspect much of the "DC Hate" on the boards is actually just uninformed Marvel fanboy-ism, especially when Wolvie and Hulk are involved...

Having said all that, I still think the Marvels win this...

As do i given the dr. stange level power of this talisman. tho i'm almost sure Z is about to get an uber boost in countdown. She's been playing a major part.

Now, replace Zatanna with Dr. Fate (Nelson), and this could get really interesting...but I still think Talisman could take even him, the way her powerset is designed...

Originally posted by shksprtx
Now, replace Zatanna with Dr. Fate (Nelson), and this could get really interesting...but I still think Talisman could take even him, the way her powerset is designed... I'd put talisman up against Black alice and see how'd she do. would'nt be pretty for her at all.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As do i given the dr. stange level power of this talisman. tho i'm almost sure Z is about to get an uber boost in countdown. She's been playing a major part.

I would think so as it seems all the magical beings are getting an upgrade especially Mary Marvel

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'd put talisman up against Black alice and see how'd she do. would'nt be pretty for her at all.

Yeah Talisman would lose as Black Alice even stole Dr.Fate's, Zatanna, Black Adam, and of course...the SPECTRE'S power so yeah she should steal Talisman power as she hasn't shown a limit especially taking over the Spectre

Hence why Blair, aka 'That cheap bastard' used her in one of the herald tournies. durfist Though it later came out that she should have been kicked because Blair misrepresented her powers.

They put a limit on her at least, like she couldn't summon Spectre's powers haha