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I read this article online that I thought interesting by Dr. Gene Chase. Now I'm not gay but i thought I'd raise this issue cause the topic about God and gays keeps coming up in discussions here in the city in Boston and it's intrigued me and i thought I'd bring it up in here to see what you guys thought about the issue. I think God loves gay people but not the gay ways. But this scripture seems to spell something else out.

"An enemy is not just someone against whom we hold enmity, but usually someone who regards us as an enemy. Jesus tell us to love those who don't love us back, to greet those who don't pay attention to us, to be perfect-in the same way as our Father God does for us, giving us the love we don't deserve, holding back the justice we do deserve" (Matthew 5:43-48).

You can see the full article here..

http://www.justice-respect.org/essays/lovesgays.html

JIA already explained that to us. Thanks though.

From Daniel Tosh

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I read this article online that I thought interesting by Dr. Gene Chase. Now I'm not gay but i thought I'd raise this issue cause the topic about God and gays keeps coming up in discussions here in the city in Boston and it's intrigued me and i thought I'd bring it up in here to see what you guys thought about the issue. I think God loves gay people but not the gay ways. But this scripture seems to spell something else out.

"An enemy is not just someone against whom we hold enmity, but usually someone who regards us as an enemy. Jesus tell us to love those who don't love us back, to greet those who don't pay attention to us, to be perfect-in the same way as our Father God does for us, giving us the love we don't deserve, holding back the justice we do deserve" (Matthew 5:43-48).

You can see the full article here..

http://www.justice-respect.org/essays/lovesgays.html

Christian mythology is weird.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I think God loves gay people but not the gay ways.


I find that conclusion very condescending as well as hypocritical. You complain persistantly about the unfair treatment and perception of Black people, but still hold to your beleif that homosexuality is wrong or immoral.

And then you try to compensate somehow by saying something along the lines of: "Well, God still loves you even though you are a moral degenerate"

Hahaha, I love being a straight, white, male. No threads about me not getting into "heaven" or coming up with reason for God to "love" me. My kind rule the world, pwn.

Originally posted by Kram3r
Hahaha, I love being a straight, white, male. No threads about me not getting into "heaven" or coming up with reason for God to "love" me. My kind rule the world, pwn.






Hey, being a Gay Latino aint that bad

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny



Hey, being a Gay Latino aint that bad

True, never know when Ricky Martin could come in handy.

Originally posted by Kram3r
True, never know when Ricky Martin could come in handy.


Exactly !


And you know he's a hott gay Latino stud !



Also, I mean no offense by this, but as a Gay Latino, I'm pretty sure I've gotten more sex in one summer than you've had in one year.

You may enjoy freedom from financial, classist, or religious discrimination, but I still reap benefits from which others lack...one of the Privelages of Being Gay and Latino

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Exactly !


And you know he's a hott gay Latino stud !



Also, I mean no offense by this, but as a Gay Latino, I'm pretty sure I've gotten more sex in one summer than you've had in one year.

You may enjoy freedom from financial, classist, or religious discrimination, but I still reap benefits from which others lack...one of the Privelages of Being Gay and Latino

You've had more sex in one day than I have had in my entire life, I'm a virgin. Nothing I really care about, not particularly anyway. You can keep being pumped in the ass as a benefit, I don't mind. I'll stick with "freedom from financial, classist, or religious discrimination" as you put it.

Originally posted by Kram3r
You've had more sex in one day than I have had in my entire life, I'm a virgin. Nothing I really care about, not particularly anyway. You can keep being pumped in the ass as a benefit, I don't mind. I'll stick with "freedom from financial, classist, or religious discrimination" as you put it.



Touche'

god hates gays
b.c he made everyone to be straight
n tha devil is gay
so god hates gays

God loves all people.

It appears people have long since forgotten that God and Jesus are two very different people.
God: If it doesn't follow my rules, throw rocks at it.
Jesus: Only under the condition that he who is without sin cast the first stone.
God: ... Me dammit! Stop ruining my sadistic fun!

GOd loves everybody gay or not white or black or so on!He does not care if anyone is gay or not.Neither does the church.It is something that some people live with.
It is ok by the feelings just acting upon the feelings is wrong and a sin not just being gay.Action People!jm

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I read this article online that I thought interesting by Dr. Gene Chase. Now I'm not gay but i thought I'd raise this issue cause the topic about God and gays keeps coming up in discussions here in the city in Boston and it's intrigued me and i thought I'd bring it up in here to see what you guys thought about the issue. I think God loves gay people but not the gay ways. But this scripture seems to spell something else out.

"An enemy is not just someone against whom we hold enmity, but usually someone who regards us as an enemy. Jesus tell us to love those who don't love us back, to greet those who don't pay attention to us, to be perfect-in the same way as our Father God does for us, giving us the love we don't deserve, holding back the justice we do deserve" (Matthew 5:43-48).

You can see the full article here..

http://www.justice-respect.org/essays/lovesgays.html

Interesting !

yay for free Palestine

Originally posted by TRH
yay for free Palestine


And Iraq


... god willing

Originally posted by Bardiel13
It appears people have long since forgotten that God and Jesus are two very different people.
God: If it doesn't follow my rules, throw rocks at it.
Jesus: Only under the condition that he who is without sin cast the first stone.
God: ... Me dammit! Stop ruining my sadistic fun! Good way of putting it. Jesus loves everyone, God doesn't. Then again, Jesus is God. So yeah, it's very confusing.

Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
God loves all people.

Which God? You're not talking about the Abrahamic one, are you?

Originally posted by Bardiel13
It appears people have long since forgotten that God and Jesus are two very different people.
God: If it doesn't follow my rules, throw rocks at it.
Jesus: Only under the condition that he who is without sin cast the first stone.
God: ... Me dammit! Stop ruining my sadistic fun!





That's the contradiction with those two beings. Part of what makes Christianity so confusing.

Love the sinner hate the sin.

If God loves gays then why did he say that they should be put to death?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
If God loves gays then why did he say that they should be put to death?

He wants them in heaven asap.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He wants them in heaven asap. They know how to throw a party

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1052/1052_01.asp

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I find that conclusion very condescending as well as hypocritical. You complain persistantly about the unfair treatment and perception of Black people, but still hold to your beleif that homosexuality is wrong or immoral.

And then you try to compensate somehow by saying something along the lines of: "Well, God still loves you even though you are a moral degenerate"

Hypocritical? You're misguided. Where on this entire site have I ever shown or spouted anti-gay hate sentiment? You'll be searching forever for any proof on here or anywhere else for that matter.

And as for you second statement, that is my belief. I believe "gayness" or homosexuality is a sin. So? Does that mean i hate gay people? No. I doesn't cause, at the same time, I won't throw stones cause I'm a sinner as well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1052/1052_01.asp God needs a book to remember peoples names, talk about bad memory for a god

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1052/1052_01.asp

Yes, we should kill all those demon infested homos before they infect the rest of us.

*intolerance leads to people flying airplanes into buildings*

I WAS interested to hear that one of these so-called lesbian marriages has ended in divorce. Well I am a church goer, and divorces are meant to put asunder Adam and Eve, not Madam and Eve. They are not divorced in my eyes, I can tell you.

Originally posted by Whisper
I WAS interested to hear that one of these so-called lesbian marriages has ended in divorce. Well I am a church goer, and divorces are meant to put asunder Adam and Eve, not Madam and Eve. They are not divorced in my eyes, I can tell you.

So, you are going to deny them a divorce?

I saw do away with all marriage. Makes life easier.

Originally posted by Whisper
I WAS interested to hear that one of these so-called lesbian marriages has ended in divorce. Well I am a church goer, and divorces are meant to put asunder Adam and Eve, not Madam and Eve. They are not divorced in my eyes, I can tell you.

So... you're saying they're still married in your eyes?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
If God loves gays then why did he say that they should be put to death?

If God created gays and made them that way, then he must love them. So I agree with the thread starter.

Both the Bible and Koran have a line refering to Sodom and Gamorah that's along the lines of: "How can you pass a women for a man?" That sounds like something a straight man would say, as opposed to something an all-knowing god would say.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If God created gays and made them that way, then he must love them. So I agree with the thread starter.

Both the Bible and Koran have a line refering to Sodom and Gamorah that's along the lines of: "How can you pass a women for a man?" That sounds like something a straight man would say, as opposed to something an all-knowing god would say.

The entire bible sounds that way, to me.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If God created gays and made them that way, then he must love them. So I agree with the thread starter.

Both the Bible and Koran have a line refering to Sodom and Gamorah that's along the lines of: "How can you pass a women for a man?" That sounds like something a straight man would say, as opposed to something an all-knowing god would say.

That is because the bible was written by straight men.

Baby Jesus loves all of us!

Originally posted by Devil King
The entire bible sounds that way, to me.

It's not just a coincidence that "woman" is supposed to be subservient to "man"...

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not just a coincidence that "woman" is supposed to be subservient to "man"...

right. I mean, you knock your wife around all the time, don't you?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you are going to deny them a divorce? Originally posted by Bardiel13
So... you're saying they're still married in your eyes? She's extremely funny and you guys are being stupid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
She's extremely funny and you guys are being stupid.

Then why didn't she answer my question? I was hoping she would make me laugh.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why didn't she answer my question? I was hoping she would make me laugh. Because you were extremely stupid and annoying, I guess.

I wouldn't have answered.

Originally posted by Bardock42
...I wouldn't have answered.

Why would you not have answered?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would you not have answered? Because you were extremely stupid and annoying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because you were extremely stupid and annoying.

That does not make any sense.


So, you have no idea, and you are just posting from a point of ignorance.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That does not make any sense.


So, you have no idea, and you are just posting from a point of ignorance. No, what I said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, what I said.

Are you asking me?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you asking me? Saw a question mark?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Saw a question mark?

No.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. Troll.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Troll.

What?

Is this Circular reasoning?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Is this Circular reasoning? No.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No.

Originally posted by Devil King
right. I mean, you knock your wife around all the time, don't you?

If I followed the Bible, I could have just cause to. She's lucky I'm agnostic and do not subscrice to organised religion.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I read this article online that I thought interesting by Dr. Gene Chase. Now I'm not gay but i thought I'd raise this issue cause the topic about God and gays keeps coming up in discussions here in the city in Boston and it's intrigued me and i thought I'd bring it up in here to see what you guys thought about the issue. I think God loves gay people but not the gay ways. But this scripture seems to spell something else out.

"An enemy is not just someone against whom we hold enmity, but usually someone who regards us as an enemy. Jesus tell us to love those who don't love us back, to greet those who don't pay attention to us, to be perfect-in the same way as our Father God does for us, giving us the love we don't deserve, holding back the justice we do deserve" (Matthew 5:43-48).

You can see the full article here..

http://www.justice-respect.org/essays/lovesgays.html



Leviticus 20:13 disagrees with you

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

That's true. God doesn't love gays, at all.

It's the church that doesn't love gays.

Originally posted by debbiejo
It's the church that doesn't love gays. And it's the church who invented God.

God, as the Bible portrays IT to be.

Originally posted by debbiejo
God, as the Bible portrays IT to be. Which is the God we are talking about.

Yeah, the Bible god. To say we know the all of everything is confining all sciences that might be explored to a widdle teeny box. I believe that at some point science will uncover something quite outside our little box.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Christian mythology is weird.

It makes perfect sense!

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, the Bible god. To say we know the all of everything is confining all sciences that might be explored to a widdle teeny box. I believe that at some point science will uncover something quite outside our little box. And when that happens, a big sign will appear that says "Level 2".

Or, the jokes on you..lol

You have a brain, why don't you use it......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Or, the jokes on you..lol

You have a brain, why don't you use it...... You first.

Or I did, you're my entertainment.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Or I did, you're my entertainment. You're obviously confused.

God never is.

People differ greatly in their view of the Bible:

Generally speaking, Fundamentalists and other Evangelical Christians believe that: The Bible, as originally written, is inerrant (infallible; free of errors) and that God prevented the authors from making even a single mistake.
Every verse is useful in their understanding of God's intentions.
One should initially attempt to interpret each passage according to its literal meaning.
Many modern translations are reliable, particularly the New International Version (NIV) and King James Version (KJV).

Many conservative Christians trust the KJV and NIV. Thus, when they read some of the passages that clearly and unmistakably condemn homosexuality, they are inclined to trust the translators and conclude that God hates homosexuality. Unfortunately, many groups of translators have been heavily biased against certain groups, including Witches, gays and lesbians; many have tended to warp their translations accordingly.

At this web site, we try to avoid criticizing the beliefs of religious groups. However, we feel free to criticize their religiously motivated activities if they exhibit hatred against an identifiable group or when they have a negative impact on the civil rights of others.

We have noticed a practice of a few Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christian pastors which appear to be unethical and dishonest. We use the word "appear" because we are not certain that the pastors are consciously aware of their practices:

Some pastors cite Genesis 19, a passage that condemns homosexual rape, as proof that God hates all homosexual behavior. Yet they would never quote a verse that condemns heterosexual rape and state that it applies to all heterosexual activity.
We have noticed some pastors switching between Bible translations in order to find the version that is most critical of homosexual behavior. When quoting Deuteronomy 23:17 some deviate from their usual usage of the New International Version (NIV). It accurately translates the original Hebrew condemnation of male and female prostitution in the temple (a common Pagan practice). They prefer the King James Version (KJV) which incorrectly translates the passage as condemning female prostitutes and male "sodomites."

More liberal Christians tend to look upon the Bible as containing many translation errors, whose verses were not inspired by God, but were influenced by ancient pre-scientific culture. Passages often relate to customs of a long-past era that are unethical when compared to today's secular and religious systems of morality. Examples are verses which accept and regulate slavery, require widows to marry their brother-in-law, requiring victims of rape to marry their rapist, or condone child disciplinary practices which most parents have now abandoned. Passages which might be interpreted as condemning homosexuality might also be not applicable today.

Each Bible translation reflects the world view, beliefs and mind sets of its translators. Many, if not most, versions of the Bible are funded by religious organizations and employ translators who all follow a specific theological belief system. Their personal biases distort their work. There is an additional complexity facing translators: today's society is very different from that of Biblical times. It is sometimes difficult to find a current English word that closely matches a Hebrew or Greek term.

Originally posted by RUNMAN
People differ greatly in their view of the Bible:

Generally speaking, Fundamentalists and other Evangelical Christians believe that: The Bible, as originally written, is inerrant (infallible; free of errors) and that God prevented the authors from making even a single mistake.
Every verse is useful in their understanding of God's intentions.
One should initially attempt to interpret each passage according to its literal meaning.
Many modern translations are reliable, particularly the New International Version (NIV) and King James Version (KJV).

Many conservative Christians trust the KJV and NIV. Thus, when they read some of the passages that clearly and unmistakably condemn homosexuality, they are inclined to trust the translators and conclude that God hates homosexuality. Unfortunately, many groups of translators have been heavily biased against certain groups, including Witches, gays and lesbians; many have tended to warp their translations accordingly.

At this web site, we try to avoid criticizing the beliefs of religious groups. However, we feel free to criticize their religiously motivated activities if they exhibit hatred against an identifiable group or when they have a negative impact on the civil rights of others.

We have noticed a practice of a few Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christian pastors which appear to be unethical and dishonest. We use the word "appear" because we are not certain that the pastors are consciously aware of their practices:

Some pastors cite Genesis 19, a passage that condemns homosexual rape, as proof that God hates all homosexual behavior. Yet they would never quote a verse that condemns heterosexual rape and state that it applies to all heterosexual activity.
We have noticed some pastors switching between Bible translations in order to find the version that is most critical of homosexual behavior. When quoting Deuteronomy 23:17 some deviate from their usual usage of the New International Version (NIV). It accurately translates the original Hebrew condemnation of male and female prostitution in the temple (a common Pagan practice). They prefer the King James Version (KJV) which incorrectly translates the passage as condemning female prostitutes and male "sodomites."

More liberal Christians tend to look upon the Bible as containing many translation errors, whose verses were not inspired by God, but were influenced by ancient pre-scientific culture. Passages often relate to customs of a long-past era that are unethical when compared to today's secular and religious systems of morality. Examples are verses which accept and regulate slavery, require widows to marry their brother-in-law, requiring victims of rape to marry their rapist, or condone child disciplinary practices which most parents have now abandoned. Passages which might be interpreted as condemning homosexuality might also be not applicable today.

Each Bible translation reflects the world view, beliefs and mind sets of its translators. Many, if not most, versions of the Bible are funded by religious organizations and employ translators who all follow a specific theological belief system. Their personal biases distort their work. There is an additional complexity facing translators: today's society is very different from that of Biblical times. It is sometimes difficult to find a current English word that closely matches a Hebrew or Greek term.

We appreciate this post.

Thank you very much, kind soul...

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Thank you very much, kind soul...

But what do you believe? Do you believe the bible to be "the truth"?

Originally posted by debbiejo
God never is. Obviously he had to be to create us.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But what do you believe? Do you believe the bible to be "the truth"?

I believe there is no 'bible truth'

Originally posted by lord xyz
Obviously he had to be to create us.

But we evolved.


Originally posted by RUNMAN
I believe there is no 'bible truth'

Please explain:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But we evolved.




Please explain: Het...

Originally posted by lord xyz
Het...

RUNMAN seems like a smart man 2 me

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's like a sigh. I was about to say something, but you said something so stupid, I just didn't know how to address it.

It's my new internet joke which I will be using more often. I would've used it a few weeks ago, but thought it might make people confused. However, I really couldn't address that with words, nor could I not answer it at all. So, hence the "het".

It's also an onomatopoeia. The "h" is starting the speech, and the "et" is the sudden stop. The sudden stop is because you realise how stupid the sentence was, and because you say"het" you can't say anything else after it. So, that's all you say. That explains the elipse.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's like a sigh. I was about to say something, but you said something so stupid, I just didn't know how to address it.

It's my new internet joke which I will be using more often. I would've used it a few weeks ago, but thought it might make people confused. However, I really couldn't address that with words, nor could I not answer it at all. So, hence the "het".

It's also an onomatopoeia. The "h" is starting the speech, and the "et" is the sudden stop. The sudden stop is because you realise how stupid the sentence was, and because you say"het" you can't say anything else after it. So, that's all you say. That explains the elipse.


o0o0o0o ur so clever dur

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
o0o0o0o ur so clever dur I hope that was meant to be a joke. If so, it's a really bad one.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's like a sigh. I was about to say something, but you said something so stupid, I just didn't know how to address it.

It's my new internet joke which I will be using more often. I would've used it a few weeks ago, but thought it might make people confused. However, I really couldn't address that with words, nor could I not answer it at all. So, hence the "het".

It's also an onomatopoeia. The "h" is starting the speech, and the "et" is the sudden stop. The sudden stop is because you realise how stupid the sentence was, and because you say"het" you can't say anything else after it. So, that's all you say. That explains the elipse.

So, in other words, I stumped you.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I hope that was meant to be a joke. If so, it's a really bad one.


dur

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, in other words, I stumped you. You didn't acknowledge my joke, so I was speechless.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You didn't acknowledge my joke, so I was speechless.

You told a joke?