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Compared to other characters in his tier, such as Gl's(Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Superman, etc, do you find Surfer overrated? People talk a lot about Superman being overrated, but how about Surfer?

You should request to have this moved over to the "comic books" forum.

That way it won't be closed.

And yes...Surfer is overrated.

Hell no. You take out the PIS and Surfer's a freakin beast. But just so everyone knows, I don't consider many of the people you listed as being overrated either. Most of them have the feats to support their fans claims(though probably not the claims of the fanboys, but the same is true of Surfer).

Originally posted by Avlon
You should request to have this moved over to the "comic books" forum.

That way it won't be closed.

And yes...Surfer is overrated.

I though about that, but their were some most overrated and underrated characters threads around the forum so I thought I'd place it here. It's kinda like a vs thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hell no. You take out the PIS and Surfer's a freakin beast. But just so everyone knows, I don't consider many of the people you listed as being overrated either. Most of them have the feats to support their fans claims(though probably not the claims of the fanboys, but the same is true of Surfer).

I'll be E-knocking on your door then next time an Eradicator thread comes up since we're disregarding things we don't like.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hell no. You take out the PIS and Surfer's a freakin beast. But just so everyone knows, I don't consider many of the people you listed as being overrated either. Most of them have the feats to support their fans claims(though probably not the claims of the fanboys, but the same is true of Surfer).

I don't think the characters I mentioned above are overrated. I actually find them underrated when compared to Surfer. You place Surfer in a thread with any of the three mentioned above and you'll get posters swearing up and down he'd take 7-8 matches against them. They'll disregard all previous match ups, others feats, Surfer's personality, and how he fares against more powerful opponents, and blindly claim he wins.

Originally posted by Airwalker
I don't think the characters I mentioned above are overrated. I actually find them underrated when compared to Surfer. You place Surfer in a thread with any of the three mentioned above and you'll get posters swearing up and down he'd take 7-8 matches against them. They'll disregard all previous match ups, others feats, Surfer's personality, and how he fares against more powerful opponents, and blindly claim he wins.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'll be E-knocking on your door then next time an Eradicator thread comes up since we're disregarding things we don't like.
I'm not to familiar with Erads, so I don't know what good that would do you.

Originally posted by Airwalker
I don't think the characters I mentioned above are overrated. I actually find them underrated when compared to Surfer. You place Surfer in a thread with any of the three mentioned above and you'll get posters swearing up and down he'd take 7-8 matches against them. They'll disregard all previous match ups, others feats, Surfer's personality, and how he fares against more powerful opponents, and blindly claim he wins.
As I said the fanboys take it to far, but that can be said of ANY character.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not to familiar with Erads, so I don't know what good that would do you.


As I said the fanboys take it to far, but that can be said of ANY character.

It's not just the fanboys, I've seen some of the most respected posters on the board disregard showings of others, Surfer's showings or lack there of, and how he fares against more powerful opponents. Many sit in silence and watch, I'm kinda tired of it. It's a double standard that needs to be addressed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not to familiar with Erads, so I don't know what good that would do you.

He's basically DC's version of Surfer.

Same powerset and abilities. Hell, he even has internal conflicts like SS.

Originally posted by Airwalker
It's not just the fanboys, I've seen some of the most respected posters on the board disregard showings of others, Surfer's showings or lack there of, and how he fares against more powerful opponents. Many sit in silence and watch, I'm kinda tired of it. It's a double standard that needs to be addressed.
Then ignore them. There are aways guys with double standards(I'm having a debate with one right now) and you just got to brush them off. Surfer fans DO have a lot of ammo because of the variations in his showings, but overall he's no more overrated than most(and definitely not more than Supes is by HIS fans).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then ignore them. There are aways guys with double standards(I'm having a debate with one right now) and you just got to brush them off. Surfer fans DO have a lot of ammo because of the variations in his showings, but overall he's no more overrated than most(and definitely not more than Supes is by HIS fans).

Understandable, but when thats the way the majority of the forum thinks, it's difficult to ignore.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Understandable, but when thats the way the majority of the forum thinks, it's difficult to ignore.
I know what you mean. Surfer's power fluctuates from writer to writer so it can be difficult to get an accurate estimate of power unless you've seen the majority of his appearances.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then ignore them. There are aways guys with double standards(I'm having a debate with one right now) and you just got to brush them off. Surfer fans DO have a lot of ammo because of the variations in his showings, but overall he's no more overrated than most(and definitely not more than Supes is by HIS fans).

Low blow...but anyone who reads that thread will see who is the one with double standards.

*hint* It's not me.

Hell, in another thread, I even evened them out...while you try to bring up dubious points or deflect things.

Originally posted by Avlon
Low blow...but anyone who reads that thread will see who is the one with double standards.

*hint* It's not me.

Hell, in another thread, I even evened them out...while you try to bring up dubious points or deflect things.

I've always acknowledged Supes being tagged by people with sublight speed as BS, so I don't see how it could be a double standard on my part. I just used it as an example of some other people's double standards in regards to Supes and Surfer .

Hopefully this will get moved.

Anyway, no, he's not.

Anyone (anyone) with lots of showings will have occasional bad showings. But Surfer more than makes up for his fews low showings with a ton of high-level feats that are both versatile and pwoerful. As far as I'm concerned, he's near the top of the "high herald" tier.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then ignore them. There are aways guys with double standards(I'm having a debate with one right now) Yeah, but you shouldn't complain. It's not like Airwalker's making you reply to his posts.


ermmhappy

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hopefully this will get moved.

Anyway, no, he's not.

Anyone (anyone) with lots of showings will have occasional bad showings. But Surfer more than makes up for his fews low showings with a ton of high-level feats that are both versatile and pwoerful. As far as I'm concerned, he's near the top of the "high herald" tier.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Yeah, but you shouldn't complain. It's not like Airwalker's making you reply to his posts.


ermmhappy
I'm not complaining. I actually like Airwalker and just considered this to be friendly banter.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not complaining. I actually like Airwalker and just considered this to be friendly banter. I was kidding... just purposely misinterpreting your "I'm having a debate with one right now" line.

Now that the joke's ruined, I'll give an opinion... ermmfrown

Surfer isn't overrated. As that mod guy said, everybody with a truckload of showings is going to have bad ones, but (IMO), SS's average supports the general forum consensus for his abilities. By general, I'm obviously ignoring fanboys and the like.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Compared to other characters in his tier, such as Gl's(Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Superman, etc, do you find Surfer overrated? People talk a lot about Superman being overrated, but how about Surfer?

In reality? No.

In fact out of all them I find Thor to be the most overrated. I mean he IS on par with them, and rightfully so, but his speed and durability have always been an issue with me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've always acknowledged Supes being tagged by people with sublight speed as BS, so I don't see how it could be a double standard on my part. I just used it as an example of some other people's double standards in regards to Supes and Surfer .

Funny what a short memory you have...considering the one who's brought up speed in another thread was...you.

ME: "Surfer has been taken out by tech and the whole battlefield is differing types that can be used against him by a bodyless foe"

YOU: "Let's bring Superman into it."

Translation: HUH?!

Then a low blow in an opinion thread. tsk tsk.

Actually, what I saw was:

"Surfer gets pwned by tech!!!"

"Only if his abilities are ignored for a weaker opponent... similair to Superman getting hit at sub-liminal speeds"

"... Surfer gets hit by slow stuff too!"

srug


Going to bed now... night all.

Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.

Surfer will never beat Thanos tech...he's a Marvel character.

Henshaw on the other hand is DC..but it's ok.



But nope..no double standards there.

Not looking at all at the thread that you guys are talking about, I will assume that Darth made reference to the fact that he once created machinery out of thin air, then made it go away. Then stating that he should be able to control tech then. Right?

Its hard to determine things like that because direct source material (Thanos vs Surfer) shows us that Thanos > Surfer, but if you look at the bulk of his showings Surfer should be able to at least transmute his tech. But thats just a uneducated opinion knowing little about SS, and even less about Thanos.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.
I NEVER said that Surfer couldn't be hurt by tech, I said he had an impressive record of dealing with it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Funny what a short memory you have...considering the one who's brought up speed in another thread was...you.

ME: "Surfer has been taken out by tech and the whole battlefield is differing types that can be used against him by a bodyless foe"

YOU: "Let's bring Superman into it."

Translation: HUH?!

Then a low blow in an opinion thread. tsk tsk.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Actually, what I saw was:

"Surfer gets pwned by tech!!!"

"Only if his abilities are ignored for a weaker opponent... similair to Superman getting hit at sub-liminal speeds"

"... Surfer gets hit by slow stuff too!"

srug


Going to bed now... night all.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not looking at all at the thread that you guys are talking about, I will assume that Darth made reference to the fact that he once created machinery out of thin air, then made it go away. Then stating that he should be able to control tech then. Right?

Its hard to determine things like that because direct source material (Thanos vs Surfer) shows us that Thanos > Surfer, but if you look at the bulk of his showings Surfer should be able to at least transmute his tech. But thats just a uneducated opinion knowing little about SS, and even less about Thanos.
No that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the time that he shut down every piece of machinery on the planet, and the numerous other times he's been shown the capability disable and manipulate tech with ease.

But you're trying to claim his control over tech supercedes that of Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman.

Not specifically. Surfer, while maybe not being able to directly out control the tech from Hank, could transmute it into air, thus not giving anything for him to control in the first place.


But then again I know next to nothing about him so maybe he can stop that for all I know

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But you're trying to claim his control over tech supercedes that of Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman.
No I'm not, I'm saying that there's a chance he can deal with it one way or another. There are lots of ways to deal with machinery Trick, and Surfer has access to damn near all of them. Henshaw might be able to reprogram and reconfigure anything that Surfer does, but he'll HAVE to to do just that. Surfer will change stuff around and Hank will change it back, but WHILE Hanks changing it back Surfer will be attacking with red sun radiation and K-nite.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the time that he shut down every piece of machinery on the planet, and the numerous other times he's been shown the capability disable and manipulate tech with ease.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
In reality? No.

In fact out of all them I find Thor to be the most overrated. I mean he IS on par with them, and rightfully so, but his speed and durability have always been an issue with me.

Thor is also portrayed as a dumb blondie too often... but mythological Thor was also portrayed as a brawler, not as a cunning fighter. Thor was a person drunk Vikings identified themselves with.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hopefully this will get moved.

Anyway, no, he's not.

Anyone (anyone) with lots of showings will have occasional bad showings. But Surfer more than makes up for his fews low showings with a ton of high-level feats that are both versatile and pwoerful. As far as I'm concerned, he's near the top of the "high herald" tier.

I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.

Originally posted by Dreamcatcher
I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.

Surfer has done pretty well against a lot of characters that are stronger than your average high herald. Didn't he once defeat a guy who had planetary scale reality warping?

While he performs poorly against Thanos, he does very well against other characters that are at least as strong as Thanos, only not as familiar. The Surfer's own series are full of battles like these. Take his fights with the elders of the universe in example, they're not bad. Surfer gave the Runner a fight.

He belongs in the high herald tier. He is the original "high herald" for crying out loud. Do people realize how strong he really is? And how insanely versatile he is?

Originally posted by Dreamcatcher
I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.

Surfer isn't over-rated at all, if we're talking VS forums rules, he's a BEAST because he's so powerful and versatile. Some people don't seem to read the rules though, so somehow Surfer (at his best) = Over-rated Surfer? Nah.

Lantern is definetly underrated, he should be able to beat everyone on that list.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Surfer isn't over-rated at all, if we're talking VS forums rules, he's a BEAST because he's so powerful and versatile. Some people don't seem to read the rules though, so somehow Surfer (at his best) = Over-rated Surfer? Nah.

Extremely powerful and versatile characters = Thor(better record against Surfer than vise versa, and better record against above Top tiers) , and GL's(Kyle, Hal, and Alan)

Surfer vs Thor and GL's(Hal, Kyle, and Alan) = Surfer 7-8/10

Surfer is probably just the flat out hardest person to beat in his level.

And it's generally for the same reason that Superman is basically the king of brawlers.

His versatilely and power covers such a wide range of spectrum.

His strength isn't low and neither is his durability.

His energy output is insane

His ability to manipulate matter and energy is insane.

His telepathy is insane

His speed and reaction times are insane


His only general weakness compared to most other high tiers is that sometimes his strength and durability is regarded as lower.


But a none holding back using all of his abilities to the fullest is just flat out hard to beat.

u could say the same about most characters with this sort of logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
u could say the same about most characters with this sort of logic. The problem is that you will be hard pressed to find a high tier character that possess all of SS's abilities or to the degree he cna do them.


He can do far more than superman can. He can match a GL in versatility but has a higher starting physical base.

Plus he out of his class he is the one who possess the highest speed and reaction times.

You combine all that and you have a hard time just flat out finding anyone who is matching all of his abilities.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that you will be hard pressed to find a high tier character that possess all of SS's abilities or to the degree he cna do them.


He can do far more than superman can. He can match a GL in versatility but has a higher starting physical base.

Plus he out of his class he is the one who possess the highest speed and reaction times.

You combine all that and you have a hard time just flat out finding anyone who is matching all of his abilities. imo the most overrated character can be superman. now i give him full credit for what he does but dc gets ridicuolus in the bigger sotries where superman saves the day. he should be insignificant to some of these threats but he gets to kill them or stop them. granted with help but its ridiculous sometimes.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that you will be hard pressed to find a high tier character that possess all of SS's abilities or to the degree he cna do them.


He can do far more than superman can. He can match a GL in versatility but has a higher starting physical base.

Plus he out of his class he is the one who possess the highest speed and reaction times.

You combine all that and you have a hard time just flat out finding anyone who is matching all of his abilities.

When has Surfers traveling speed ever translated to combat speed?

His versatility, while impressive, isn't to the lv of a GL. At least thats how he's commonly portrayed. He usually uses the PC to shoot blast, very rarely, if ever is he portrayed the way KMC portrays him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hell no. You take out the PIS and Surfer's a freakin beast. But just so everyone knows, I don't consider many of the people you listed as being overrated either. Most of them have the feats to support their fans claims(though probably not the claims of the fanboys, but the same is true of Surfer).
co-signed
Surfer docent have much fanboys on KMC to begin with, so i cant see him being overrated to begin with.

Haha... yeah right.

Surfer has a lot of fans i.g. goober, soljer, and myself..for the most part we don't overrate SS, and we do use logical explanations for his wins.

but he docent have fanBoys like the hulk wolverine and yes even Superman imo..

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Lantern is definetly underrated, he should be able to beat everyone on that list.

Which lantern?

From what I've seen, the lanterns are very suspectible to speedblitzing and "sneak attacks" I don't think it's possible to kill Silver Surfer in the same way you can kill a lot of the Green Lanterns. I.E sniping them, like a certain Sinestro Corps member did. Silver Surfer's durability and strength is generally higher than that of Hal and Kyle's.

Originally posted by Dreamcatcher
When has Surfers traveling speed ever translated to combat speed?

His versatility, while impressive, isn't to the lv of a GL. At least thats how he's commonly portrayed. He usually uses the PC to shoot blast, very rarely, if ever is he portrayed the way KMC portrays him.

He displayed some pretty decent combat speed the first time he met the Hulk. A more recent example would be during his fight with Ravenous. He's clearly moving around Ravenous, making it hard for him to keep up.

Surfer isn't overrated. Lanterns are underrated however.

Originally posted by Airwalker
Compared to other characters in his tier, such as Gl's(Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Superman, etc, do you find Surfer overrated? People talk a lot about Superman being overrated, but how about Surfer?

no, Surfer is not overrated... alot of the time he's as good as any reasonable person says he is...

Also, moving...

Originally posted by pr1983
no, Surfer is not overrated... alot of the time he's as good as any reasonable person says he is...

Also, moving...

Good man

Originally posted by Validus
Surfer isn't overrated. Lanterns are underrated however.

I think Alan Scott is underrated.

Space Jesus is in no way over-rated.

Originally posted by llagrok
Good man



I think Alan Scott is underrated.

and hal, and john etc...

Originally posted by llagrok
I think Alan Scott is underrated.
He's never discussed enough to be under or overrated.

Originally posted by Validus
He's never discussed enough to be under or overrated.

Exactly, it's been ages since I've seen him in a popular vs thread.

It's like he doesn't deserve to be set up against the other herald level characters!

G'nort is the most underrated lantern ever...

Originally posted by Validus
Surfer isn't overrated. Lanterns are underrated however. Yep

Originally posted by Validus
Surfer isn't overrated. Lanterns are underrated however.

Well said.

Originally posted by Validus
Surfer isn't overrated. Lanterns are underrated however.

They shoot green lazer beams from ringz. Whatz the big deal? dur

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
They shoot green lazer beams from ringz. Whatz the big deal? dur


superboy priem pwned hose fuc*ing pathetic ass newbs, thanos > darkseid dur

Originally posted by llagrok
superboy priem pwned hose fuc*ing pathetic ass newbs, thanos > darkseid dur

Darkseid was scared of his dad. thanos is never scared. Thanos faces down cowardly Darkseid and his overrated daddy and beats them both with his superior H2H.

Thanos>DCU&MU durwank

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid was scared of his dad. thanos is never scared. Thanos faces down cowardly Darkseid and his overrated daddy and beats them both with his superior H2H.

Thanos>DCU&MU durwank

ys and fukking newb orion is destind to kill DS but cant. Huc and wolvrine >> orion.

I think Surfer is extremely underated, but his uberness is his downfall in thats he's nearly impossible to make interesting.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
I think Surfer is extremely underated, but his uberness is his downfall in thats he's nearly impossible to make interesting.

*cough*Thanos*cough*

I could put him in a headlock and pwn him.

I think Surfer is underratted cause of his P.C. With the Power Cosmic the amounts of knowledge that is his to comprehend and access must be like being a Celestial.

You said he's underrated and then compared him to a celestial?!

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