Wonder Woman Is Ruined!

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Draco69
I just read the craptacular piece of garbage called Amazons Attack....

WW is ruined. I mean RUINED. I have never witnessed such a massive destruction of a character's continuity:

(Someone was kind enough to point everything that went wrong in this spectacular failure of a comic book)


Amazons Attack: What Went Wrong?
- That Nothing Went Right -

Continuity issues
-Circe has tried to kill the Amazons on a regular basis. Why would she assume that the gods protecting the Amazons would give her passage to Themiscyra?
- Monarchy abolished and Artemis and Phillipus are supposed to be elected rulers
- The Bana retconned as never having joined the Themiscyrans, even though Artemis, a Bana, was shown amongst them

In-Story Continuity issues
- Everyman/Sgt Steel says America is after Amazon technology, but later, Amazons are said to have none
- Internment Camps created in an extremely short time, and a bad idea aside
-At the begining of the story, at the end of both the first issue of Amazons Attack and Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman meets her mother. They are in talking distance. When the story picks up in the next issue, they apparently never met.

Character issues
- Wonder Girl and Supergirl attack Air Force One
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to defeat the Olympian gods
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to wipe the minds of the whole Amazonian race
- Amazons killing men, women, children without remorse
- Amazons who feel guilty don't challenge Hippolyta's orders
- Hippolyta, former member of the JSA, spouting villainous speeches
- Hippolyta's motives changed from saving her daughter to stopping America to just killing
- Amazons trusting Circe, who was their nemesis for centuries
- Nemesis acting like a spoiled teenager
- The Bana
-Superman's senses are good enough to hear Air Force One as it starts to crash, from another state, and fast enough to get there in seconds. However he is unable to hear a group of soldiers sneaking up on him, and too slow to prevent them from shooting a group of Amazons he was talking to.

Stortelling issues
- Contradictions between AA and WW titles
- Twists (Circe and Bana revealed) with served no purpose to the story
- American military abandoning Washington DC
- Superheroes confined to clean-up detail instead of attacking the Amazons
- Arrows shooting down jet pilots
- Wonder Woman playing a miniscule role throughtout the entire story
- Washington DC attacked for shock value
- Amazonian secret weapon built up and revealed as Bees. One casualty, and Bees defeated in one panel.
- Upon finding out that a high tech bomb had gone off, because "someone was taking opportunity of the chaos started by the Amazons," Wonder Woman knows it must be the Bana. There are no shortage of terrorist organizations in the DCU that would be just as good suspects, if not better ones.
- The big threat of the Bees are that their poison kills in hours.
- WW says she'll save Nemesis in one issue, but says saving him will delay things in another
- Using Circe once again so soon
- Superman not fast enough to save Grace from the Bana
- Batman overriding a sorceress as powerful as Circe where Zatanna failed
- Batman not even handcuffing Circe, but instead, leaving her knocked out on the floor
- Athena's final speech means nothing with the Granny reveal
- If Granny is that powerful, why can't she mindwipe Diana, Grace, or all of America?
- If Granny is that powerful, why not use the Amazons as her personal army?
- Bringing back the Amazons from IC, just to get rid of them again
- No resolution to the story; another lead-in to another story
- Diana shocked at hearing Nemesis say 'Diana' when Wonder Woman's name was well known
- Nemesis mind-wiped to forget Diana's identity

Creator issues
- canceling Rucka's initial planned out story that was being built up, and rehashing it with editorial decisions
- Pfeiffer said Mind-control was too easy and lazy a solution, and yet that was basically Hippolyta's problem
- Pfeiffer using Granny/Athena's speech to make his view on war known
- Had low sales for an event, and lowered sales of titles that it crossed over to

Extenuating issues with WW/AA
- Destroyed Rucka's well conceived Wonder Woman direction
- Turned WW from an Ambassador into someone who can't use simple things in life
- Destroyed all of WW's secondary cast



*Sigh*

Not even Gail Simone can fix this mess.

I may be done reading DC comics for awhile.


Damn you, Will Pfiefer!!

Wrathful Dwarf was right....

sad

ExodusCloak
Oh dear.... no expression
I'm sure they'll be able to retcon it all...blame it on a reality warper.

llagrok
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh dear.... no expression
I'm sure they'll be able to retcon it all...blame it on a reality warper.

I'm super Emoboy Prime won't mind taking the blame.

King_Mungi
I was going to pick this series up, I'm very glad I listened to others and saved my money.

willRules
Golly gosh, there's a lot of problems with that story. Thank goodness it's only Wonder Woman stick out tongue

Citizen V
OMG, Wonder Woman ruined?! Whatever shall we do.

As you can tell, I don't care.

llagrok
Originally posted by willRules
Golly gosh, there's a lot of problems with that story. Thank goodness it's only Wonder Woman stick out tongue

Golly Gosh, what a f**king awesome sig you have good sir smile

pr1983
Originally posted by Draco69
I just read the craptacular piece of garbage called Amazons Attack....

WW is ruined. I mean RUINED. I have never witnessed such a massive destruction of a character's continuity:

(Someone was kind enough to point everything that went wrong in this spectacular failure of a comic book)


Amazons Attack: What Went Wrong?
- That Nothing Went Right -

Continuity issues
-Circe has tried to kill the Amazons on a regular basis. Why would she assume that the gods protecting the Amazons would give her passage to Themiscyra?
- Monarchy abolished and Artemis and Phillipus are supposed to be elected rulers
- The Bana retconned as never having joined the Themiscyrans, even though Artemis, a Bana, was shown amongst them

In-Story Continuity issues
- Everyman/Sgt Steel says America is after Amazon technology, but later, Amazons are said to have none
- Internment Camps created in an extremely short time, and a bad idea aside
-At the begining of the story, at the end of both the first issue of Amazons Attack and Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman meets her mother. They are in talking distance. When the story picks up in the next issue, they apparently never met.

Character issues
- Wonder Girl and Supergirl attack Air Force One
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to defeat the Olympian gods
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to wipe the minds of the whole Amazonian race
- Amazons killing men, women, children without remorse
- Amazons who feel guilty don't challenge Hippolyta's orders
- Hippolyta, former member of the JSA, spouting villainous speeches
- Hippolyta's motives changed from saving her daughter to stopping America to just killing
- Amazons trusting Circe, who was their nemesis for centuries
- Nemesis acting like a spoiled teenager
- The Bana
-Superman's senses are good enough to hear Air Force One as it starts to crash, from another state, and fast enough to get there in seconds. However he is unable to hear a group of soldiers sneaking up on him, and too slow to prevent them from shooting a group of Amazons he was talking to.

Stortelling issues
- Contradictions between AA and WW titles
- Twists (Circe and Bana revealed) with served no purpose to the story
- American military abandoning Washington DC
- Superheroes confined to clean-up detail instead of attacking the Amazons
- Arrows shooting down jet pilots
- Wonder Woman playing a miniscule role throughtout the entire story
- Washington DC attacked for shock value
- Amazonian secret weapon built up and revealed as Bees. One casualty, and Bees defeated in one panel.
- Upon finding out that a high tech bomb had gone off, because "someone was taking opportunity of the chaos started by the Amazons," Wonder Woman knows it must be the Bana. There are no shortage of terrorist organizations in the DCU that would be just as good suspects, if not better ones.
- The big threat of the Bees are that their poison kills in hours.
- WW says she'll save Nemesis in one issue, but says saving him will delay things in another
- Using Circe once again so soon
- Superman not fast enough to save Grace from the Bana
- Batman overriding a sorceress as powerful as Circe where Zatanna failed
- Batman not even handcuffing Circe, but instead, leaving her knocked out on the floor
- Athena's final speech means nothing with the Granny reveal
- If Granny is that powerful, why can't she mindwipe Diana, Grace, or all of America?
- If Granny is that powerful, why not use the Amazons as her personal army?
- Bringing back the Amazons from IC, just to get rid of them again
- No resolution to the story; another lead-in to another story
- Diana shocked at hearing Nemesis say 'Diana' when Wonder Woman's name was well known
- Nemesis mind-wiped to forget Diana's identity

Creator issues
- canceling Rucka's initial planned out story that was being built up, and rehashing it with editorial decisions
- Pfeiffer said Mind-control was too easy and lazy a solution, and yet that was basically Hippolyta's problem
- Pfeiffer using Granny/Athena's speech to make his view on war known
- Had low sales for an event, and lowered sales of titles that it crossed over to

Extenuating issues with WW/AA
- Destroyed Rucka's well conceived Wonder Woman direction
- Turned WW from an Ambassador into someone who can't use simple things in life
- Destroyed all of WW's secondary cast



*Sigh*

Not even Gail Simone can fix this mess.

I may be done reading DC comics for awhile.


Damn you, Will Pfiefer!!

Wrathful Dwarf was right....

sad

damn...

nice art though... lookaround

Evil_Ash
Originally posted by Citizen V
OMG, Wonder Woman ruined?! Whatever shall we do.

As you can tell, I don't care.

I could never say something bastardise like that and get away with it...






Stupid-long-lived-well-known-members...

willRules
Originally posted by llagrok
Golly Gosh, what a f**king awesome sig you have good sir smile

Gee Whizz, cheers for the compliments Daddio big grin

Citizen V
Originally posted by willRules
Gee Whizz, cheers for the compliments Daddio big grin

Creepy.

Darth Vicious
The only thing I like the current WW series is the art. Im sure with the upcoming "Crisis" everything will be retconned.

grey fox
Yes Amazons attack was a piece of dog shit, in-fact i'd have to say that it was WORSE then Dianas de-powerment years during the 60's-70's.

Anyway I had an idea on how to bring the amazons back that both steals from Marvel and still has it's original feel to it.

Have a bunch of mages f*ck up big time, attempting to revive some ancient god only for the N00b to screw up the words , causing Themiscara to emerge in the middle of new-york.

Imagine it, a whole island simply pushing itself upwards like a boil , we then get several decent story-lines such as Citizens reaction to the amazons, mystery of how it happened (Batman goes all Sherlock on how "No two-bit sorcerer has enough power for this kind of trick..."wink and the Amazons being forcefully impregnated within 'Mans world'.

It'd give some nice street-level feel to DC which is desperately needed.

willRules
Originally posted by Citizen V
Creepy.

But true shifty

pr1983
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes Amazons attack was a piece of dog shit, in-fact i'd have to say that it was WORSE then Dianas de-powerment years during the 60's-70's.

Anyway I had an idea on how to bring the amazons back that both steals from Marvel and still has it's original feel to it.

Have a bunch of mages f*ck up big time, attempting to revive some ancient god only for the N00b to screw up the words , causing Themiscara to emerge in the middle of new-york.

Imagine it, a whole island simply pushing itself upwards like a boil , we then get several decent story-lines such as Citizens reaction to the amazons, mystery of how it happened (Batman goes all Sherlock on how "No two-bit sorcerer has enough power for this kind of trick..."wink and the Amazons being forcefully impregnated within 'Mans world'.

It'd give some nice street-level feel to DC which is desperately needed.

impregnated being the operative word there...

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes Amazons attack was a piece of dog shit, in-fact i'd have to say that it was WORSE then Dianas de-powerment years during the 60's-70's.

Anyway I had an idea on how to bring the amazons back that both steals from Marvel and still has it's original feel to it.

Have a bunch of mages f*ck up big time, attempting to revive some ancient god only for the N00b to screw up the words , causing Themiscara to emerge in the middle of new-york.

Imagine it, a whole island simply pushing itself upwards like a boil , we then get several decent story-lines such as Citizens reaction to the amazons, mystery of how it happened (Batman goes all Sherlock on how "No two-bit sorcerer has enough power for this kind of trick..."wink and the Amazons being forcefully impregnated within 'Mans world'.

It'd give some nice street-level feel to DC which is desperately needed.

Good plan. But what about Granny Goodness? And the fact that this whole thing may been caused by her.

grey fox
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Good plan. But what about Granny Goodness? And the fact that this whole thing may been caused by her.

Feh , f*ck her. New Gods are going down the pan soon anyway. Just make it that Athena was temporarily made insane by an influx of 'New Magic' from the 10th ages introduction.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by grey fox
the Amazons being forcefully impregnated

I know a guy who's written like six fanfics about that. They were pretty good actually.

pr1983
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I know a guy who's written like six fanfics about that. They were pretty good actually.

shock

and you didn't share?

grey fox
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I know a guy who's written like six fanfics about that. They were pretty good actually.


http://remiq.net/static/img/remiq.net_32.jpg

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by pr1983
shock

and you didn't share?

Aren't you a mod?

pr1983
Originally posted by grey fox
http://remiq.net/static/img/remiq.net_32.jpg

i think he meant the non sexual type...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Aren't you a mod?

yes... why?

i like to read... shrug

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by pr1983
i think he meant the non sexual type...

Not really.

Great writer. Weird fetish. But a great writer.

grey fox
Originally posted by pr1983
i think he meant the non sexual type...



Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/naughty.gif

Validus
lol @ Draco

Teaches you to have WW as your favorite character.

*hugs Geoff Johns and Sinestro Corps books*

pr1983
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not really.

Great writer. Weird fetish. But a great writer.

ah... my bad... in that case, i'm glad you didn't share...

Originally posted by grey fox
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/naughty.gif

laughing out loud

Originally posted by Validus
lol @ Draco

Teaches you to have WW as your favorite character.

*hugs Geoff Johns and Sinestro Corps books*

laughing

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by pr1983
ah... my bad... in that case, i'm glad you didn't share...

Most people are.

grey fox
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Most people are.

Meh , my brain is already f*cked. Such a story wouldn't affect me, teh only things I fear on the interweb is 4chan and Rotten.com

pr1983
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Most people are.

yup...

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by grey fox
Meh , my brain is already f*cked. Such a story wouldn't affect me, teh only things I fear on the interweb is 4chan and Rotten.com

laughing out loud

4chan's not so bad if you stay off /b/

pr1983
good for me that i have no idea what 4chan is, or any reason to want to know either...

grey fox
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
laughing out loud

4chan's not so bad if you stay off /b/

No 4chan is pure and utter evil

You'd need to cleanse the site with Holy fire just to get past the basics. Hell I was only on the WIKI and I could feel my soul and morals slowly eroding away into nothingness.

Citizen V
Originally posted by grey fox
Meh , my brain is already f*cked. Such a story wouldn't affect me, teh only things I fear on the interweb is 4chan and Rotten.com

Rotten and 4chan? That's nothing, neither of them bother me in the slightest.

grey fox
Originally posted by Citizen V
Rotten and 4chan? That's nothing, neither of them bother me in the slightest.

They certainly bother me....

Validus
Originally posted by grey fox
Meh , my brain is already f*cked. Such a story wouldn't affect me, teh only things I fear on the interweb is 4chan and Rotten.com
4chan?
http://i2.tinypic.com/61kkt91.gif

llagrok
4chan > KMC

deal

grey fox
Originally posted by llagrok
4chan > KMC

deal

No , we dont have Pedophiles on here. I believe thats a good thing personally.

Soljer
Meh, goatse and tubgirl can only affect you so many times...

After that, it's just 'meh.'

DigiMark007
Originally posted by willRules
Golly gosh, there's a lot of problems with that story. Thank goodness it's only Wonder Woman stick out tongue

Qft.

no expression

Draco69
Screw the lot of ya! (except Greyfox).


How dare you mock my pain! My PAIN!

*sob*

miffed

stick out tongue

pr1983
Originally posted by Draco69
Screw the lot of ya! (except Greyfox).


How dare you mock my pain! My PAIN!

*sob*

miffed

stick out tongue

laughing out loud

its not all bad... diana's alright in JLA... when she's being focused on-

oh, right...

Draco69
Originally posted by pr1983
laughing out loud

its not all bad... diana's alright in JLA... when she's being focused on-

oh, right...

mad

Hey! She lassoed Amazo! And sat at a table! A TABLE! That's a great feat!

Gail f*cking Simone better work miracles...

pr1983
Originally posted by Draco69
mad

Hey! She lassoed Amazo! And sat at a table! A TABLE! That's a great feat!

Gail f*cking Simone better work miracles...

simone is alright, i'm sure she'll do a good job...

willRules
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Qft.

no expression

I'm embarrassed to say I'm not up to date on the lingo, Qft?

I could be hip, with it, cool, spry, chillin........


..........but the universe would implode embarrasment

pr1983
Originally posted by willRules
I'm embarrassed to say I'm not up to date on the lingo, Qft?

I could be hip, with it, cool, spry, chillin........


..........but the universe would implode embarrasment

quoted for truth...

Martian_mind
WWJ was so much better...

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by Martian_mind
WWJ was so much better... Speaking of which...

Martian_mind
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Speaking of which...

I'll get round to it...seriously,in one day you got 7 months worth of comic gold,give me a break stick out tongue

willRules
Originally posted by pr1983
quoted for truth...

ah cheers smile

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh dear.... no expression
I'm sure they'll be able to retcon it all...blame it on a reality warper.


Ya know I'm sure that'll prolly happen.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Draco69
I just read the craptacular piece of garbage called Amazons Attack....

WW is ruined. I mean RUINED. I have never witnessed such a massive destruction of a character's continuity:

(Someone was kind enough to point everything that went wrong in this spectacular failure of a comic book)


Amazons Attack: What Went Wrong?
- That Nothing Went Right -

Continuity issues
-Circe has tried to kill the Amazons on a regular basis. Why would she assume that the gods protecting the Amazons would give her passage to Themiscyra?
- Monarchy abolished and Artemis and Phillipus are supposed to be elected rulers
- The Bana retconned as never having joined the Themiscyrans, even though Artemis, a Bana, was shown amongst them

In-Story Continuity issues
- Everyman/Sgt Steel says America is after Amazon technology, but later, Amazons are said to have none
- Internment Camps created in an extremely short time, and a bad idea aside
-At the begining of the story, at the end of both the first issue of Amazons Attack and Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman meets her mother. They are in talking distance. When the story picks up in the next issue, they apparently never met.

Character issues
- Wonder Girl and Supergirl attack Air Force One
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to defeat the Olympian gods
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to wipe the minds of the whole Amazonian race
- Amazons killing men, women, children without remorse
- Amazons who feel guilty don't challenge Hippolyta's orders
- Hippolyta, former member of the JSA, spouting villainous speeches
- Hippolyta's motives changed from saving her daughter to stopping America to just killing
- Amazons trusting Circe, who was their nemesis for centuries
- Nemesis acting like a spoiled teenager
- The Bana
-Superman's senses are good enough to hear Air Force One as it starts to crash, from another state, and fast enough to get there in seconds. However he is unable to hear a group of soldiers sneaking up on him, and too slow to prevent them from shooting a group of Amazons he was talking to.

Stortelling issues
- Contradictions between AA and WW titles
- Twists (Circe and Bana revealed) with served no purpose to the story
- American military abandoning Washington DC
- Superheroes confined to clean-up detail instead of attacking the Amazons
- Arrows shooting down jet pilots
- Wonder Woman playing a miniscule role throughtout the entire story
- Washington DC attacked for shock value
- Amazonian secret weapon built up and revealed as Bees. One casualty, and Bees defeated in one panel.
- Upon finding out that a high tech bomb had gone off, because "someone was taking opportunity of the chaos started by the Amazons," Wonder Woman knows it must be the Bana. There are no shortage of terrorist organizations in the DCU that would be just as good suspects, if not better ones.
- The big threat of the Bees are that their poison kills in hours.
- WW says she'll save Nemesis in one issue, but says saving him will delay things in another
- Using Circe once again so soon
- Superman not fast enough to save Grace from the Bana
- Batman overriding a sorceress as powerful as Circe where Zatanna failed
- Batman not even handcuffing Circe, but instead, leaving her knocked out on the floor
- Athena's final speech means nothing with the Granny reveal
- If Granny is that powerful, why can't she mindwipe Diana, Grace, or all of America?
- If Granny is that powerful, why not use the Amazons as her personal army?
- Bringing back the Amazons from IC, just to get rid of them again
- No resolution to the story; another lead-in to another story
- Diana shocked at hearing Nemesis say 'Diana' when Wonder Woman's name was well known
- Nemesis mind-wiped to forget Diana's identity

Creator issues
- canceling Rucka's initial planned out story that was being built up, and rehashing it with editorial decisions
- Pfeiffer said Mind-control was too easy and lazy a solution, and yet that was basically Hippolyta's problem
- Pfeiffer using Granny/Athena's speech to make his view on war known
- Had low sales for an event, and lowered sales of titles that it crossed over to

Extenuating issues with WW/AA
- Destroyed Rucka's well conceived Wonder Woman direction
- Turned WW from an Ambassador into someone who can't use simple things in life
- Destroyed all of WW's secondary cast



*Sigh*

Not even Gail Simone can fix this mess.

I may be done reading DC comics for awhile.


Damn you, Will Pfiefer!!

Wrathful Dwarf was right....

sad

The Story was a mother ****ing FOOL is what it was. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. DC is ****ing up. Killing the New Gods and Messing up WW is going to make me start reading only the Avengers books.

Validus
Drama queens. laughing out loud

WW isn't messed up. You had to put up with a year or so of crappy writers and delayed comics. Big deal. That's nothing compared to some other characters out there. Nightwing dealt with years of Devin Grayson, Bruce Jones and Judd Winick. Marv Wolfman took over and had to spend 6 months just telling you what the hell kind of person Nightwing is since those 3 screwed him over so bad. That's messed up.

Amazons Attack will be forgotten/retconned before you know it. Gail Simone is about to take over and likely knock it out the park as she usually does and you still have the Dodsons on art so it's going to be beautiful as well.

Supermanluv
Wonder Woman has ALWAYS been and Always will be a rubbish character. No writer no matter how great has been able to do her properly (Whatever properly is ?). It a shame cos she has such potential. There are some really strong Female characters out there who literally make you want to read their comics (Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde, Storm, Zattana, Jenny Sparks, Electra) come to mind.

Validus
Those characters don't even have solo books outside of a mini series here and there, none of which garnering major attention. Would anyone actually read 200 issues of an ongoing Emma Frost or Kitty Pryde book?

Supermanluv
Originally posted by Validus
Those characters don't even have solo books outside of a mini series here and there, none of which garnering major attention. Would anyone actually read 200 issues of an ongoing Emma Frost or Kitty Pryde book?


No but theyre the main reason i read Astonoshing ! I certainly don't read it for Wolverine. And both are about a million times more interesting than Wonder Woman, who has more personalities than Peter Sellars.

Soljer
KMC's collective response to the OMGZHOCKING thread title:

"Oh...

...Meh."

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Soljer
KMC's collective response to the OMGZHOCKING thread title:

"Oh...

...Meh."

I care.....durcry2 durfist But like Validus said, this is gonna cleaned up fast. stick out tongue

The New Gods on the other hand............crying

Draco69
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I care.....durcry2 durfist But like Validus said, this is gonna cleaned up fast. stick out tongue

The New Gods on the other hand............crying

They better not kill Big Barda. I don't care about the other New Gods but Barda rocks!

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Draco69
They better not kill Big Barda. I don't care about the other New Gods but Barda rocks!

I believe the writer's official response to sentiments like that was "It's called death of the new gods. Not Death of some of the new gods."

Validus
Starlin actually said later that one New God will survive.

batdude123
I was pissed when Light Ray died.

Evil_Ash
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I care.....durcry2 durfist But like Validus said, this is gonna cleaned up fast. stick out tongue

The New Gods on the other hand............crying

God...


You're such a Emoticon Whore...

Validus
Originally posted by Validus
Starlin actually said later that one New God will survive.
Screw you bottom of page!

But yeah, I liked Lightray. Cool power set IMO.

Newjak
You know what hopefully a certain "Superman" dies with them

shifty

Validus
Originally posted by Newjak
You know what hopefully a certain "Superman" dies with them

shifty
Yeah, can't say I'm a fan of Martian Manhunter either.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
God...


You're such a Emoticon Whore...

I know. You're just jealous cause I make this look good. vin

Originally posted by Validus
Starlin actually said later that one New God will survive.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Darkseid/newgodsdying.jpg

eek! kicking

Newjak
Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, can't say I'm a fan of Martian Manhunter either. You read my mind big grin

TricksterPriest
I feel sorry for Martian Mind. He's probably crying into his giant J'onn plushie about how it's not fair and nobody appreciates his giant green form.

Hmmm. Maybe I'm confusing him with Xmeat. hmm Or it could be because Xmeat is his sock. Hell yes folks, I went that way. wink

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I know. You're just jealous cause I make this look good. vin No...

Not even a little bit. no expression

Newjak
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I feel sorry for Martian Mind. He's probably crying into his giant J'onn plushie about how it's not fair and nobody appreciates his giant green form.

Hmmm. Maybe I'm confusing him with Xmeat. hmm Or it could be because Xmeat is his sock. Hell yes folks, I went that way. wink That was just mean no expression

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Newjak
That was just mean no expression No it wasn't. no expression

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Validus
Starlin actually said later that one New God will survive.

omg

Now I must figure out who it will be.

Newjak
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No it wasn't. no expression Saying someone is Xmeat. That kind of thing is unforgivable and to think I was going to give you my stuff when I died cryoh

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Newjak
Saying someone is Xmeat. That kind of thing is unforgivable and to think I was going to give you my stuff when I died cryoh

Meh, he wouldn't have lived long enough to enjoy it anyway.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Newjak
Saying someone is Xmeat. That kind of thing is unforgivable and to think I was going to give you my stuff when I died cryoh

Xmeat is funny. Mean and unforgivable would have been calling him Quanchi or Phenomenol. wink

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
omg

Now I must figure out who it will be.

whistle Here's a hint:

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I know. You're just jealous cause I make this look good. vin



http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Darkseid/newgodsdying.jpg

eek! kicking

Newjak
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Meh, he wouldn't have lived long enough to enjoy it anyway. Yeah you're probably right



Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Xmeat is funny. Mean and unforgivable would have been calling him Quanchi or Phenomenol. wink
I like Quanchi mhm

Badabing
Originally posted by Newjak
Saying someone is Xmeat. That kind of thing is unforgivable and to think I was going to give you my stuff when I died cryoh X Meat was a Judge sock.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
whistle Here's a hint:

no expression Do you ever watch horror movies? Braggarts always die.


My bet is Metron scrapes though, unites the Monitors and (along with RayPalmer) saves reality. But it's not like I'm Starlin or anything.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah you're probably right



I like Quanchi mhm

omg

But actually, the person who deserves to be called Quan's sock is Goober. The dude has gone completely off the deep end. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Evil_Ash
Originally posted by Newjak
I like Quanchi mhm

What the f**k?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Newjak
I like Quanchi mhm

Thats rude. Retarded people aren't funny.

No offense . . .

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
whistle Here's a hint: The ironic part is how you jest at Martian, when you'll be in the exact same position when you find out you're wrong... ermmnone

Newjak
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
What the f**k? Anybody that believes Hulk can beat Superman is my favorite kind of person big grin


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats rude. Retarded people aren't funny.

No offense . . . I never said it was mhm

Validus
Originally posted by Newjak
Anybody that believes Hulk can beat Superman is my favorite kind of person big grin
Wrong?

Soljer
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
omg

But actually, the person who deserves to be called Quan's sock is Goober. The dude has gone completely off the deep end. roll eyes (sarcastic)

What the f**k?

Darthgoober > You.

no expression.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Soljer
What the f**k?

Darthgoober > You.

no expression.

BURN!!!

Newjak
Originally posted by Validus
Wrong? Only in the eye of the beholder stick out tongue

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Newjak
Only in the eye of the beholder stick out tongue

Eyes shifty

Newjak
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Eyes shifty Death Gaze for the win eek!

SnazzySmurph
A beholder sig would be awesome. hmm

http://www.fischart.com/assets/art/artwork/Games/d20/beholder.jpg

Symmetric Chaos
I like how we got from "WonderWoman is ruined" to this.

Newjak
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like how we got from "WonderWoman is ruined" to this. Was this inevitable step truly surprising though big grin

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like how we got from "WonderWoman is ruined" to this. Yep.

Good thing we were here to improve the thread topic.

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Hopefully DC will fix things.

SnazzySmurph
I thought that's what they did. ermmhappy

Grinning Goku
Originally posted by Draco69
I just read the craptacular piece of garbage called Amazons Attack....

WW is ruined. I mean RUINED. I have never witnessed such a massive destruction of a character's continuity:

(Someone was kind enough to point everything that went wrong in this spectacular failure of a comic book)


Amazons Attack: What Went Wrong?
- That Nothing Went Right -

Continuity issues
-Circe has tried to kill the Amazons on a regular basis. Why would she assume that the gods protecting the Amazons would give her passage to Themiscyra?
- Monarchy abolished and Artemis and Phillipus are supposed to be elected rulers
- The Bana retconned as never having joined the Themiscyrans, even though Artemis, a Bana, was shown amongst them

In-Story Continuity issues
- Everyman/Sgt Steel says America is after Amazon technology, but later, Amazons are said to have none
- Internment Camps created in an extremely short time, and a bad idea aside
-At the begining of the story, at the end of both the first issue of Amazons Attack and Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman meets her mother. They are in talking distance. When the story picks up in the next issue, they apparently never met.

Character issues
- Wonder Girl and Supergirl attack Air Force One
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to defeat the Olympian gods
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to wipe the minds of the whole Amazonian race
- Amazons killing men, women, children without remorse
- Amazons who feel guilty don't challenge Hippolyta's orders
- Hippolyta, former member of the JSA, spouting villainous speeches
- Hippolyta's motives changed from saving her daughter to stopping America to just killing
- Amazons trusting Circe, who was their nemesis for centuries
- Nemesis acting like a spoiled teenager
- The Bana
-Superman's senses are good enough to hear Air Force One as it starts to crash, from another state, and fast enough to get there in seconds. However he is unable to hear a group of soldiers sneaking up on him, and too slow to prevent them from shooting a group of Amazons he was talking to.

Stortelling issues
- Contradictions between AA and WW titles
- Twists (Circe and Bana revealed) with served no purpose to the story
- American military abandoning Washington DC
- Superheroes confined to clean-up detail instead of attacking the Amazons
- Arrows shooting down jet pilots
- Wonder Woman playing a miniscule role throughtout the entire story
- Washington DC attacked for shock value
- Amazonian secret weapon built up and revealed as Bees. One casualty, and Bees defeated in one panel.
- Upon finding out that a high tech bomb had gone off, because "someone was taking opportunity of the chaos started by the Amazons," Wonder Woman knows it must be the Bana. There are no shortage of terrorist organizations in the DCU that would be just as good suspects, if not better ones.
- The big threat of the Bees are that their poison kills in hours.
- WW says she'll save Nemesis in one issue, but says saving him will delay things in another
- Using Circe once again so soon
- Superman not fast enough to save Grace from the Bana
- Batman overriding a sorceress as powerful as Circe where Zatanna failed
- Batman not even handcuffing Circe, but instead, leaving her knocked out on the floor
- Athena's final speech means nothing with the Granny reveal
- If Granny is that powerful, why can't she mindwipe Diana, Grace, or all of America?
- If Granny is that powerful, why not use the Amazons as her personal army?
- Bringing back the Amazons from IC, just to get rid of them again
- No resolution to the story; another lead-in to another story
- Diana shocked at hearing Nemesis say 'Diana' when Wonder Woman's name was well known
- Nemesis mind-wiped to forget Diana's identity

Creator issues
- canceling Rucka's initial planned out story that was being built up, and rehashing it with editorial decisions
- Pfeiffer said Mind-control was too easy and lazy a solution, and yet that was basically Hippolyta's problem
- Pfeiffer using Granny/Athena's speech to make his view on war known
- Had low sales for an event, and lowered sales of titles that it crossed over to

Extenuating issues with WW/AA
- Destroyed Rucka's well conceived Wonder Woman direction
- Turned WW from an Ambassador into someone who can't use simple things in life
- Destroyed all of WW's secondary cast



*Sigh*


Not even Gail Simone can fix this mess.

I may be done reading DC comics for awhile.


Damn you, Will Pfiefer!!

Wrathful Dwarf was right....

sad


I thought this was about Wonder Woman getting buttsecksed or something. What a let down.

DARKLORDCAEDUS
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I thought that's what they did. ermmhappy


Not really

willRules
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
I thought this was about Wonder Woman getting buttsecksed or something. What a let down.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I thought that's what they did. ermmhappy

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Supermanluv
Wonder Woman has ALWAYS been and Always will be a rubbish character. No writer no matter how great has been able to do her properly (Whatever properly is ?). It a shame cos she has such potential. There are some really strong Female characters out there who literally make you want to read their comics (Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde, Storm, Zattana, Jenny Sparks, Electra) come to mind.

Are you on crack? WW has had some amazing runs. the Perez run. The Byrn Run. The Deodato Jr Run was astounding. Phil Jimenez was breath taking. Don't do it honey. I could take wonder woman and plot the shit out of her. you'd be picking her book up every week. DC is just bullshit. If I had an artist, I'd make my own WW book and publish it via the net so they could see how to do her.

Martian_mind
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
publish it via the net so they could see how to do her.

shifty

Supermanluv
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
I thought this was about Wonder Woman getting buttsecksed or something. What a let down.

laughing

Now that was funny !

RUNMAN
Originally posted by Soljer
What the f**k?

Darthgoober > You.

no expression.

OWNAGE!

darthgoober
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
omg

But actually, the person who deserves to be called Quan's sock is Goober. The dude has gone completely off the deep end. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Originally posted by Soljer
What the f**k?

Darthgoober > You.

no expression.
And now we know that for a fact big grin .

Soljer
Originally posted by darthgoober
And now we know that for a fact big grin .

laughing. laughing. laughing.

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by Soljer
laughing. laughing. laughing. The devil has your number.

Soljer
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
The devil has your number.

That would mean something if I were not an atheistic agnostic. smile.

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by Soljer
That would mean something if I were not an atheistic agnostic. smile. Me too.

But, when I make the Religion de Smurph, you know what the first official sin will be...

Soljer
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Me too.

But, when I make the Religion de Smurph, you know what the first official sin will be...

Not regularly fellating Bran?

SnazzySmurph
Originally posted by Soljer
Not regularly fellating Bran? haermm
no expression
none180
nuts
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