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References:


DC's 52

The Kingdom

Sinestro Corps Special

Countdown

The New DC Multiverse:

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(From DC's 52 last issue)


The current DC Multiverse (52 UniverseS) being born on panel:

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"Where are we?"

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"We're witnessing the Birth of the New Multiverse"

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"Alexander Luthor, he split our Earth into thousands of Divergent Worlds, but the Planets were unstable, I watched Worlds live and die ... the broken Earths collapsed back together to form One New Earth, one far too small to contain the Energy within, in a Cosmic act of self-preservation it began replicating, unknown to anyone save myself, a New Multiverse was born"

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"52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos"

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Mr Mind ended up Altering most of these Universes,

even Kingdom Come (from Elseworlds) is one of these Realities.

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No longer Kingdom Come, now Earth-22.

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Rip Hunter is the guy who first discovered the New DC Multiverse,

Rip Hunter is also the guy who discovered and oversaw "Hypertime."


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"Hypertime,

Parallel Timelines which comprise ALL REALITY ...
the Universe they (the Linear Men) oversee is actually Part of a Multiverse,
(Hypertime) an Infinite Realm of Parallel Worlds"

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Hypertime may have been retconned,
because Rip Hunter,
same guy that discovered Hypertime says about the 52 Universes:



Here's Rip Hunter (overseer of Hypertime) in 52 calling the Multiverse "All of Creation"

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Here's Supernova, Booster Gold and again Rip Hunter talking:

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"Trust the survival of Everything Ever to Three guys"

"Why are you risking the survival of the entire Multiverse"


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Here's Rip Hunter telling Booster Gold and Supernova,
they have to keep the existence of the one and only Multiverse a secret.

Rip also calls it "All of Time & Space."

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Can it be that Rip Hunter doesn't know about Hypertime?

That wouldn't make sense, because in the Kingdom series.
Rip knew more about Hypertime than anyone (he was the one describing it)

The Oan's first mention the New DC Reality in Sinestro Corps special:

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"How did he learn the secret of the 52?"



This is interesting,
apparently DC's prime Earth can collapse the entire Multiverse if it's destroyed,
just like Marvel's 616 Reality:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/299/g1kp8.th.jpg


Only difference is that in DC the Antimatter Universe survives,
in Marvel nothing does.

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This is what sets off Countdown:


A lone Monitor travels to the Source Wall
which is located at the border of each of the 52 Universes
to commune with it:

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"The Source Wall, barrier of each of the respective Universes.
Omnipotent, all knowing. If the answer I seek is anywhere, I will fin it here"

The Monitor tells the Source that they have felt tension in the Multiverse,
Why is this?

The Source responds, "Great Disaster"


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Monitor says, "The the End Time is fast approaching ... how can we prevent this?"

The Source replies, "Ray Palmer"

Ok this is the complete History of the DC Reality from COIE to Now,

according to DC's Countdown.


I'm not going to add a single comment,
yall enjoy this, it's a good read,
and it gives us a well defined understanding of the DC Cosmology.


It seems that several events in DC's History have been Retconned ...
so I suggest yall go through every page ...
and enjoy the Updated Info.
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History of the DC Multiverse part One:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Two:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Three:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Four:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Five:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Six:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Seven:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Eight:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Nine:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Ten:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Eleven:


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History of the DC Multiverse part Twelve:


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Great job, Mr. Master!

You've taken the brave, brave venture to unlock the confusing secrets of the DCU multiverse/universe/omniverse/somethingverse.

Good Luck!

Cool.

The Monitors seem like a bunch of desperate editors trying to maintain continuity. I guess thats the point though.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Cool.

The Monitors seem like a bunch of desperate editors trying to maintain continuity. I guess thats the point though. crylaugh QFT.

Mad props, Mr. M. Thanks for posting this.

Btw, does anyone else think that the New Earth Monitor is refering to AM?

What retcons are you talking about specifically?
They're fairly accurate on what actually transpired, in the old Crisis On Multiple Earths, Crisis on infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, etc books...though only in rough overviews.

I think that AM is the antimatter Monitor. But he'd be wayyy more powerful than the rest of them because the AM universe is equal to the matter multiverse. But he is the original one as he's caused more fear than any other.

Here are a few examples:

Originally posted by Juntai
What retcons are you talking about specifically?

The Multiverse went from an Infinite number of Universes in COIE,
to One single Universe, with one new Timeline,
until Alex Luthor inadvertantly created the Multiverse (52)
out of that One single Universe.

That right there makes every story between COIE to Now involving multiple Universes,

null & void.

................................................................................................................

But more specifically:


We learn that it was both Spectre and AM together,
that shattered the remaining COIE Multiverse,
not just Spectre attacking AM with a Multiverse destroying/creation blast,
as originally depicted.
(although the Multiverse had been already greatly reduced by the AM before this happened.)

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No mention of Mxy at all, or his "World's Funnest" escapade.

In fact, Mxy erase a Multiverse that didn't even exist during World's Funnest.

DC, all of DC, was just One single Universe during World's Funnest.


Someone said,

that perhaps Mxy travelled back in Time
to the point where COIE still existed.

But that can't be,

because Rip Hunter and Booster Gold travelled as far back in Time as possible,
and guess where Time itself ended, or should I say Began?

With Alex inadvertently creating the 52 Universes from New Earth (One single Universe)
................................................................................................................

Parallax is credited with erasing this One single Universe, one single Timeline.

Unlike in Zero Hour where they have him inadvertently
making Realities seep in and out of existence. (Realities that didn't exist)

................................................................................................................

Waverider (supposedly the keeper of Hypertime) is mentioned,
but not a single word about "Hypertime"

In fact, Waverider who was considered a "god" by some,
we're told was killed by Booster Gold's robot guide (Skeets)

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No mention of divine figures at all (I have no idea where DC stands with this)

The Source Wall is about the only thing considered Omnipotent in this Historical guide,

but even the Source Wall is vulnerable,
as it is clearly in danger of being collapsed
and becoming non-existent aswell,
if beings continue to travel between the 52 Universes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are a few examples:



The Multiverse went from an Infinite number of Universes in COIE,
to One single Universe, with one new Timeline,
until Alex Luthor inadvertantly created the Multiverse (52)
out of that One single Universe.

That right there makes every story between COIE to Now involving multiple Universes,

null & void.

................................................................................................................

But more specifically:


We learn that it was both Spectre and AM together,
that shattered the remaining COIE Multiverse,
not just Spectre attacking AM with a Multiverse destroying/creation blast,
as originally depicted.
(although the Multiverse had been already greatly reduced by the AM before this happened.)

................................................................................................................

No mention of Mxy at all, or his "World's Funnest" escapade.

In fact, Mxy erase a Multiverse that didn't even exist during World's Funnest.

DC, all of DC, was just One single Universe during World's Funnest.


Someone said,

that perhaps Mxy travelled back in Time
to the point where COIE still existed.

But that can't be,

because Rip Hunter and Booster Gold travelled as far back in Time as possible,
and guess where Time itself ended, or should I say Began?

With Alex inadvertently creating the 52 Universes from New Earth (One single Universe)
................................................................................................................

Parallax is credited with erasing this One single Universe, one single Timeline.

Unlike in Zero Hour where they have him inadvertently
making Realities seep in and out of existence. (Realities that didn't exist)

................................................................................................................

Waverider (supposedly the keeper of Hypertime) is mentioned,
but not a single word about "Hypertime"

In fact, Waverider who was considered a "god" by some,
we're told was killed by Booster Gold's robot guide (Skeets)

................................................................................................................


No mention of divine figures at all (I have no idea where DC stands with this)

The Source Wall is about the only thing considered Omnipotent in this Historical guide,

but even the Source Wall is vulnerable,
as it is clearly in danger of being collapsed
and becoming non-existent aswell,
if beings continue to travel between the 52 Universes.

I don't know why everyone finds it so hard to get around Hypertime ? Its basically works in the same way as the many worlds predicted by Quantum theory. i.e. every two way decision for a subatomic particle creates two new universes, consequently leading to a potential infinite number of universes. The COIE, and the current 52 universes work in the same way as the string theory multiiverse, where 3Dimensional membranes (i.e. our universe) float in 11 Dimensional space. Hypertime was a crazy notion introduced by Grant Morisson to allow for Elsewhere story lines, its been made very clear that although it may still exist Dan Didio doesn't intend to use it again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are a few examples:



The Multiverse went from an Infinite number of Universes in COIE,
to One single Universe, with one new Timeline,
until Alex Luthor inadvertantly created the Multiverse (52)
out of that One single Universe.

That right there makes every story between COIE to Now involving multiple Universes,

null & void.

................................................................................................................

But more specifically:


We learn that it was both Spectre and AM together,
that shattered the remaining COIE Multiverse,
not just Spectre attacking AM with a Multiverse destroying/creation blast,
as originally depicted.
(although the Multiverse had been already greatly reduced by the AM before this happened.)

................................................................................................................

No mention of Mxy at all, or his "World's Funnest" escapade.

In fact, Mxy erase a Multiverse that didn't even exist during World's Funnest.

DC, all of DC, was just One single Universe during World's Funnest.


Someone said,

that perhaps Mxy travelled back in Time
to the point where COIE still existed.

But that can't be,

because Rip Hunter and Booster Gold travelled as far back in Time as possible,
and guess where Time itself ended, or should I say Began?

With Alex inadvertently creating the 52 Universes from New Earth (One single Universe)
................................................................................................................

Parallax is credited with erasing this One single Universe, one single Timeline.

Unlike in Zero Hour where they have him inadvertently
making Realities seep in and out of existence. (Realities that didn't exist)

................................................................................................................

Waverider (supposedly the keeper of Hypertime) is mentioned,
but not a single word about "Hypertime"

In fact, Waverider who was considered a "god" by some,
we're told was killed by Booster Gold's robot guide (Skeets)

................................................................................................................


No mention of divine figures at all (I have no idea where DC stands with this)

The Source Wall is about the only thing considered Omnipotent in this Historical guide,

but even the Source Wall is vulnerable,
as it is clearly in danger of being collapsed
and becoming non-existent aswell,
if beings continue to travel between the 52 Universes. Hypertime was mentioned as currently as 52 in regards to Waverider. The very story that shows us the new Multiverse. This is also not the first time Waverider has died. He's 'died' 3 or 4 times previously. Also, that story -- 52, takes place after "New Earth" was merged, meaning it's still part of the current vision of reality.
The COIE leaving DC Multiverse with the DCUniverse, is the way it was always intended, however there's nothing to say those other stories didn't exist.
You're taking it far too literal, especially given the fact nothing they're saying is new, it's in fact many of the very stories that have actual taken place since the 40s-50's until now. You can't be expected to cover 50 years in a handful of pages, and not have things get left out.
Zero Hour was another multiple reality clean-up story like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Its considered somewhat of a follow up story, to finish cleaning up the DCU of other realities and timelines. Them saying "Universe" in this fasion, is no more or less different than every time Thanos is mentioned as "Universe" with the Infinity Gauntlet.
I don't see how a lack of mention of divine figures changes anything.
It's just a rough overview.
I don't agree that any sort of retcons have taken place yet. It doesn't seem changed to me.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hypertime was mentioned as currently as 52 in regards to Waverider. The very story that shows us the new Multiverse.

I'd like that issue # I read everything I didn't come across that info.

Thanx

Originally posted by Juntai
This is also not the first time Waverider has died. He's 'died' 3 or 4 times previously. Also, that story -- 52, takes place after "New Earth" was merged, meaning it's still part of the current vision of reality.

Nice.

Originally posted by Juntai
The COIE leaving DC Multiverse with the DCUniverse, is the way it was always intended, however there's nothing to say those other stories didn't exist.
You're taking it far too literal, especially given the fact nothing they're saying is new, it's in fact many of the very stories that have actual taken place since the 40s-50's until now. You can't be expected to cover 50 years in a handful of pages, and not have things get left out.

I'm only conveying what they're sayin Jun.

I went to the DC website,
and there visitors are directed to 52 and Countdown
if you want to know about the current DC Universe.

I did that, that's what I posted, and that's that.

Originally posted by Juntai
Zero Hour was another multiple reality clean-up story like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Its considered somewhat of a follow up story, to finish cleaning up the DCU of other realities and timelines.

I'm sure,
but in Countdown they were specifically refering to the one Universe,
that survived COIE.

Originally posted by Juntai
Them saying "Universe" in this fasion, is no more or less different than every time Thanos is mentioned as "Universe" with the Infinity Gauntlet.

I'll disagree with this. It wasn't a question of terms. They were talking in specifics.

If one reads the issues, (or visit page 1)
the Timeline that's followed in that History lesson,
directly interacts the Parallax story with the One single Universe
they were talking about since COIE.

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't see how a lack of mention of divine figures changes anything.
It's just a rough overview.
I don't agree that any sort of retcons have taken place yet.
It doesn't seem changed to me.

The eye of the beholder is fee to decide.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'd like that issue # I read everything I didn't come across that info.

Thanx



Nice.



I'm only conveying what they're sayin Jun.

I went to the DC website,
and there visitors are directed to 52 and Countdown
if you want to know about the current DC Universe.

I did that, that's what I posted, and that's that.



I'm sure,
but in Countdown they were specifically refering to the one Universe,
that survived COIE.



I'll disagree with this. It wasn't a question of terms. They were talking in specifics.

If one reads the issues, (or visit page 1)
the Timeline that's followed in that History lesson,
directly interacts the Parallax story with the One single Universe
they were talking about since COIE.



The eye of the beholder is fee to decide. Like I said, Waverider was called the seer of Hypertime by Skeets/MrMind during 52, making those stories still part of the current vision of reality since it's after New-Earth was merged and began to replicate. It fully acknowledges its existance in this fashion.

I guess that team of guys from different universes and timelines that were there to battle Parallax at the end of Zero Hour didn't actually do that either. The very purpose of Zero Hour was to clean up other universes and timelines, because since COIE, they had already begun telling other universe/timeline stories. After Zero Hour, they picked it up and started again.

If DC was only one universe--- What is Qward?
Do you really think the overviews lack of mention actually rams out the last 20+ years of Green Lantern history, since Qward is so intrinsically tied to it?

Originally posted by Juntai
Like I said, Waverider was called the seer of Hypertime by Skeets/MrMind during 52, making those stories still part of the current vision of reality since it's after New-Earth was merged and began to replicate. It fully acknowledges its existance in this fashion.

I guess that team of guys from different universes and timelines that were there to battle Parallax at the end of Zero Hour didn't actually do that either. The very purpose of Zero Hour was to clean up other universes and timelines, because since COIE, they had already begun telling other universe/timeline stories. After Zero Hour, they picked it up and started again.

If DC was only one universe--- What is Qward?
Do you really think the overviews lack of mention actually rams out the last 20+ years of Green Lantern history, since Qward is so intrinsically tied to it?

The whole idea of "the rebirth of the multiverse" is ridiculous. There was more than one universe in DC before IC and 52.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hypertime is still canonical.

Waverider was referred to as "the seer of Hypertime", in an issue of 52:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/th_hypertime.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
Like I said, Waverider was called the seer of Hypertime by Skeets/MrMind during 52, making those stories still part of the current vision of reality since it's after New-Earth was merged and began to replicate. It fully acknowledges its existance in this fashion.

I guess that team of guys from different universes and timelines that were there to battle Parallax at the end of Zero Hour didn't actually do that either. The very purpose of Zero Hour was to clean up other universes and timelines, because since COIE, they had already begun telling other universe/timeline stories. After Zero Hour, they picked it up and started again.

If DC was only one universe--- What is Qward?
Do you really think the overviews lack of mention actually rams out the last 20+ years of Green Lantern history, since Qward is so intrinsically tied to it?

I didn't write the stuff dogs, I feel you,
but I'm just posting what they published and trying to figure out the contradictions.

I'm laughing cause of this:
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(this is from the last page of Countdown #51, the Writers addressing the public)

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"52 Universes making up the New Multiverse ...
there is no stopping the constant evolution of the DC Universe.
With Countdown, we're entering our greatest phase of change.

Head Writer Paul Dani
will take you to every corner of the DC Universe and Multiverse.

Countdown will act as the spine of the DCU
with every major event and nearly every character,


(The Writers) "will have fans talking (and arguing) for Years to come"

They knew this would open up a whole new can of worms.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't write the stuff dogs, I feel you,
but I'm just posting what they published and trying to figure out the contradictions.

I'm laughing cause of this:
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(this is from the last page of Countdown #51, the Writers addressing the public)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2562/dcgh3.th.jpg

"52 Universes making up the New Multiverse ...
there is no stopping the constant evolution of the DC Universe.
With Countdown, we're entering our greatest phase of change.

Head Writer Paul Dani
will take you to every corner of the DC Universe and Multiverse.

Countdown will act as the spine of the DCU
with every major event and nearly every character,


(The Writers) "will have fans talking (and arguing) for Years to come"

They knew this would open up a whole new can of worms. Sure, but it's not specifically speaking of the backup feature imo, but the story itself. Pretty much every title right now ties into Countdowns overall story, and we know Countdown is leading the charge into the next Crisis. That's how it's the spine of the DCU/M.

I do admit, the fans arguing for years to come is funny though. They know the uproar changes in the status quo cause. Many fans aren't happy with the new "52" at all, as opposed to the simplicity of having their stories told from primarily a single universe. Now we have characters running around in dimensions and time, and all sorts of mess.

Me personally I like it, but a guy I work with, hates it. He hates the space/time/reality/multiversal stuff. Saying it's too confusing.

Originally posted by Juntai

Originally posted by King Kandy
?

Originally posted by Juntai
?
He was quoting your post that was quoting Galan,hence why nothing came out in KK's quote...srug

Originally posted by Skeets
He was quoting your post that was quoting Galan,hence why nothing came out in KK's quote...srug I was wondering why.

Now I know why they call him Mr. Master

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Now I know why they call him Mr. Master Why?

Because he posted a bunch of scans from the ends of some Countdown issues?


And he calls himself Mr Master btw..... "They" have no say in that.

Originally posted by Merlyn
Why?

Because he posted a bunch of scans from the ends of some Countdown issues?


And he calls himself Mr Master btw..... "They" have no say in that.

Originally posted by Merlyn
Why?

Because he posted a bunch of scans from the ends of some Countdown issues?

Cat gives me a compliment (which has NOTHING to do with You)

and You come in here out the blue and belittle it. dontgetit

nice ... .... ...

Originally posted by Merlyn
And he calls himself Mr Master btw.....
"They" have no say in that.

Many cats have complimented me on how I indulge in Marvel Cosmic related info.
This indulgence naturally leads to knowledge concerning that specific area (Cosmics)

Hence, cats (respected members) have said "name speaks for itself" (Mr M)
and other cool comps in those "Rate the Debater" type threads. (several of them)

I'm not special, there are "experts" in all categories in kmc,
anyone of them can be called "Master" at whatever their specialty is,
(Wolverine, JLA, Heralds, Divinity/DC Cosmics, Spiderman, whatever)


But if you must know:

The name "Mr Master" is Not being used in the context of a self-proclaimed status,
or a level of understanding that coincides with the definition of "Master."

The name comes from what I am to be called in real life, "Maestro" in spanish.
Pronounce "Maetro" ... not technically but my peoples always act as though the "S" is silent.

I wanted it in english here,
but the term "Master" was unavailable (taken) at this database,
so I had to choose something else that flows with my name.

"Mr?"

Whatever, that'll work ... "Mr Master"


Bottomline:

I don't know why you coming out your face,
because someone else acknowledged my effort, (that's like Envy dude)
if not, you may have a chip on your shoulder,
PM me about it and we'll discuss it.

If not, PM a Mod and give him your complaint.


But Never, Never,

Hate on a cat cause he gets a compliment from another member.

That's a big time no, no around here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cat gives me a compliment (which has NOTHING to do with You)

and You come in here out the blue and belittle it. dontgetit

nice ... .... ... I belittled nothing, it's a good thread to have started for sure.... I'd give you props for that any day.

But saying things like "now I know why they call him Mr. Master" is a bit much...

Originally posted by Merlyn
I belittled nothing, it's a good thread to have started for sure.... I'd give you props for that any day.

Thanx, I was just trying to get at the meat of the DC Cosmology,
I quickly saw that's a dedication I'm not ready for.

Originally posted by Merlyn
But saying things like "now I know why they call him Mr. Master is a bit much...

Let em live, let em all live.

stoned peace & love baby ... time to burn, oh yea.

Rip Hunter, on the long term effects produced by Superboy Prime during IC...


"And that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe --- Punching history.... Please":

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7025/rip1gl1.th.jpg


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"It's residual damage from Mr. Mind's feast on time/space..... And super-brat's whining":

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8255/bs1mh0.th.jpg

Even in comics they don't like SBP.

He'll punch through the Source Wall, just you wait and see.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cat gives me a compliment (which has NOTHING to do with You)

and You come in here out the blue and belittle it. dontgetit

nice ... .... ...



Many cats have complimented me on how I indulge in Marvel Cosmic related info.
This indulgence naturally leads to knowledge concerning that specific area (Cosmics)

Hence, cats (respected members) have said "name speaks for itself" (Mr M)
and other cool comps in those "Rate the Debater" type threads. (several of them)

I'm not special, there are "experts" in all categories in kmc,
anyone of them can be called "Master" at whatever their specialty is,
(Wolverine, JLA, Heralds, Divinity/DC Cosmics, Spiderman, whatever)


But if you must know:

The name "Mr Master" is Not being used in the context of a self-proclaimed status,
or a level of understanding that coincides with the definition of "Master."

The name comes from what I am to be called in real life, "Maestro" in spanish.
Pronounce "Maetro" ... not technically but my peoples always act as though the "S" is silent.

I wanted it in english here,
but the term "Master" was unavailable (taken) at this database,
so I had to choose something else that flows with my name.

"Mr?"

Whatever, that'll work ... "Mr Master"


Bottomline:

I don't know why you coming out your face,
because someone else acknowledged my effort, (that's like Envy dude)
if not, you may have a chip on your shoulder,
PM me about it and we'll discuss it.

If not, PM a Mod and give him your complaint.


But Never, Never,

Hate on a cat cause he gets a compliment from another member.

That's a big time no, no around here.

Ownage. Just like this thread.

Something I never thought to add...

Aside from whatever DC currently is right now,
It also contains at least 52 different Dimensions:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_52dimensions1.jpg

and no,
Dimensions and Universes are not the same, in DC.


Just some food for thought. ermmnone

bump.

So where does the All-Star heroes play into this scheme? Which alternate universe / timeline are they from?

Anyone read the first page of Justice Leage: New Frontier?

How does that fit into the 52 realities?

Originally posted by tjcoady
Anyone read the first page of Justice Leage: New Frontier?

How does that fit into the 52 realities? How does it fit in?

Well it pretty much blows the little idea that DC is composed of only 52 Universes, completely out of the water...


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-Rip Hunter-

"Today, experts will try to tell you there are 52 Worlds..."

"The truth is there are infinite Worlds out there, and every year dozens more spring to life...":

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_rip_worldexplain1.jpg

dozens more than infinite. Sweet.

Originally posted by Juntai
dozens more than infinite. Sweet. Because infinite just isn't enough, you see..

Originally posted by Galan007
How does it fit in?

Well it pretty much blows the little idea that DC is composed of only 52 Universes, completely out of the water...


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-Rip Hunter-

"Today, experts will try to tell you there are 52 Worlds..."

"The truth is there are infinite Worlds out there, and every year dozens more spring to life...":

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_rip_worldexplain1.jpg

So then would that indicate that the main multiverse of DC contains the 52 universes / worlds, and the outside multiverses contain other worlds such as the All-Star cast and such? I'm a little confused...

Originally posted by Kutulu
So then would that indicate that the main multiverse of DC contains the 52 universes / worlds, and the outside multiverses contain other worlds such as the All-Star cast and such? I'm a little confused... What Rip said isn't enough to start guess-timating, what contains what in the DCU, at this point in time...

All his statement really solidifies is that DC contains a ">" infinite amount of Worlds/Universes -- .

Galan, I feel that I'm going to have to e-smack you for even using the phrase "> infinite."

you mean....like it would have its own omniverse or something.....hmmmm interesting

Originally posted by Soljer
Galan, I feel that I'm going to have to e-smack you for even using the phrase "> infinite." lol

What? You have a problem with 'infinite' having some form of tangible end?


Pfft... comic logic pwns! dur

Originally posted by Galan007

All his statement really solidifies is that DC contains a ">" infinite amount of Worlds/Universes --
.
Glad to see an update on the DC cosmology.

I noticed something from the original 52 series,
that may coincide with your scan brother G.

Rip Hunter said the 52 Worlds are actually infinite in number according to "experts"
which is kinda strange cause it was Rip himself who literally played the part of the "expert"
after all, it was he who discovered the 52 Worlds, and it was he who stamped it's existence.

But, that aside,
this is what I believe corrolates to your scan:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5949/megami4.th.jpg

Rip stated in the last issue of 52,
that in the future the 52 Universes would expand into a Megaverse

Interesting, can this be,
can this be that future Megaverse he's talking about in your scan,
confirming it's existence,
confirming it's expansion?

I have no idea,
but's a fair probability since Rip is the common factor in all three scenarios.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But, that aside,
this is what I believe corrolates to your scan:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5949/megami4.th.jpg

Rip stated in the last issue of 52,
that in the future the 52 Universes would expand into a Megaverse

Interesting, can this be,
can this be that future Megaverse he's talking about in your scan,
confirming it's existence,
confirming it's expansion?

I have no idea,
but's a fair probability since Rip is the common factor in all three scenarios. If the Megaverse Rip was referring to = infinite, , then I don't see why not.

I wonder if the comic writers really plan them out as much as you try to connect them.

Originally posted by Yowsa
I wonder if the comic writers really plan them out as much as you try to connect them. Doubtful.... Highly doubtful.

Thats what I thought.

Also Miracleman = win.

I'm curios on somebody else's point of view about this.

It's been shown that people can actually time travel back to the original Multiverse (Flash is the one that comes to mind) so it hasn't actually been wiped away from existence.

Hypertime is also supportive of this ideas since when inside it, Superman and Diana have seen countless Universes, many of them being Pre-Crisis.

So in short, how big is the DC Universe when seen in perspective ? Isn't it already something bigger than a Multiverse, since it already contains one (the original, infinite one) ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So in short, how big is the DC Universe when seen in perspective ? Isn't it already something bigger than a Multiverse, since it already contains one (the original, infinite one) ? If DC's definition of a Megaverse is the same as Marvel's -- then there could very well be numerous 'infinite' Multiverses contained within it...

I'm convinced it's a sound theory.

Cool.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's been shown that people can actually time travel back to the original Multiverse (Flash is the one that comes to mind) so it hasn't actually been wiped away from existence.

Hypertime is also supportive of this ideas since when inside it, Superman and Diana have seen countless Universes, many of them being Pre-Crisis. I don't know if you saw this, , but check it out...

Originally posted by Galan007
It seems as though Hypertime's canonicity would make pre-crisis material canon in some way/shape/form..

Here's a scan from a Batman comic, 1964]:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8738/ht1ex1.th.jpg


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Now,
the scans from when we first saw Hypertime, back in '99:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3956/htsv7.th.jpg http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8389/ht2xo3.th.jpg

Take a good look at the bottom right hand corner of the second scan, ... This alone solidifies you idea.

Originally posted by Galan007

I don't know if you saw this, ,
but check it out...

This alone solidifies you idea.
Is there any depictions and/or statements,
decribing what Hypertime is now nearly ten years later?
I mean with all the changes/inconsistencies/contridictions revolving around it.

It's been officially put out continuity by chief-Editiors
and then apparently brought back in by on panel references of it's term (Hypertime),

We have #25 of arc 52 referencing Waverider was "the keeper" of Hypertime,
yet in that Kingdom issue you presented,
Rip Hunter is the actual "keeper" or overseer instead.

Then Rip Hunter literally discovers the 52 Universes,
and calls it "all creation" ... "all of time/space"
when we know he definitely knows about Hypertime. dontgetit

Now we have Rip Hunter in that scan you presented previously,
now claiming that there are infinite realities, not just 52 Universes.
(it may be the Megaverse that was predicted in the last issue of 52 by Rip perhaps)


And I'm sure there's more twist and turns you may know about, jeesh.

Give some perspective brother G, what is going on, what's the story with DC?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is there any depictions and/or statements,
decribing what Hypertime is now nearly ten years later?
I mean with all the changes/inconsistencies/contridictions revolving around it.

It's been officially put out continuity by chief-Editiors
and then apparently brought back in by on panel references of it's term (Hypertime),

We have #25 of arc 52 referencing Waverider was "the keeper" of Hypertime,
yet in that Kingdom issue you presented,
Rip Hunter is the actual "keeper" or overseer instead. Waverider was called the "seer" of Hypertime, not the "keeper".

Mxy's also mentioned Hypertime since then, in a Superman title... It's still around.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Then Rip Hunter literally discovers the 52 Universes,
and calls it "all creation" ... "all of time/space"
when we know he definitely knows about Hypertime. dontgetit

Now we have Rip Hunter in that scan you presented previously,
now claiming that there are infinite realities, not just 52 Universes.
(it may be the Megaverse that was predicted in the last issue of 52 by Rip perhaps)


And I'm sure there's more twist and turns you may know about, jeesh.

Give some perspective brother G, what is going on, what's the story with DC? All I can say as far as how many Universes currently embody DC, is to go with the 'most current' info.

And currently,
the 'Prime' DCU = a ">" infinite, number of Worlds/Universes.

srug

Originally posted by Galan007

Waverider was called the "seer" of Hypertime, not the "keeper".
Which is strange when he didn't even know it existed during the Kingdom.

On the otherhand,
what does that mean exactly, the "seer" of Hypertime?

It can't be having power over Hypertime,
only one being in DC has that according to Rip.

Originally posted by Galan007

Mxy's also mentioned Hypertime since then,
in a Superman title... It's still around.
I remember, but he didn't give any additional insight if I recall.


According to Rip in the Kingdom, Hypertime is "All Reality"

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9789/alluk9.th.jpg

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But then Rip calls the 52 Universes/Dimensions "All of Creation"

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2838/all3oi0.th.jpg

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Or again ... "All of Reality" (the 52 Universes/Dimensions)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3513/all2qz7.th.jpg

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Imo, Hypertime sounds like Marvel's Prime Multiverse instead.

Indeed, Rip even calls it that:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3082/multi1ks2.th.jpg

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When Rip explains how Hypertime (Multiverse) works,
it is identical to the system used in Marvel's Prime Multiverse:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5403/multi2gz6.th.jpg

Interesting.

Originally posted by Galan007

All I can say as far as how many Universes currently embody DC,
is to go with the 'most current' info.

And currently,
the 'Prime' DCU = a ">" infinite, number of Worlds/Universes.
I know, I saw the scan, and I agree,
and I think it's about time DC caught up to Marvel's ridiculousness.

There are some haters who would twist the on panel statements in your scans,
cause according to them (or him) shifty "levels of infinity"
do not exist, in the real world or in comics,
yes, although it is clearly stated in your and many, many of my scans,
and yes,
even though it is it also based on a Real World Theorum (Cantor's)
which is intergrated even into Princeton's curriculum as a credited course.

Anywho,
both DC and Marvel now have Realities beyond infinity, unquestionably!
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http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Haters can stay in denial,, really, who cares.

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