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So , I know for sure that witchcraft is powerful,but is it against the bible?and can you be you a christian and still practice magic , combine between the two?

heyyy its fatima

Originally posted by Fatima
So , I know for sure that witchcraft is powerful,but is it against the bible?and can you be you a christian and still practice magic , combine between the two?

Witchcraft is not powerful. It is a delusion.

The Bible says no, basically. Witchcraft= bad.

For starters, yes, witchcraft is against the Bible. Not only is it repeatedly warned against in the Old Testament--even apart from the Mosaic Law--but in the New Testament as well.

Acts 19:19 says:

Basically, the people of Ephesus bought many, many "spellbooks" that were used to guard them against evil spirits. When they were filled with the Spirit, they destroyed their dark possessions.

Secondly, a Christian can technically practice witchcraft and be a Christian. Is that person being a good Christian, however? No.

I like how a book written thousands of miles away and thousands of years before the modern definition of witchcraft came about could have a perspective on the situation.

The methods haven't changed, only the terms. And the demons certainly haven't.

Originally posted by Fatima
So , I know for sure that witchcraft is powerful,but is it against the bible?and can you be you a christian and still practice magic , combine between the two?



It's against the Bible.


During the Salem Witch Trials, Inquisition, and even before woman who were accused of practicing witchcraft were tortured and burnt at the stake by fearful Christian authorities.


Today, many Christian politicans do not want to provide the same religious freedom and protection to Wiccans as they would other Christians, Buddhists, or even Muslims.

They do not consider Wicca a religion, eve though it is.

Originally posted by FeceMan
The methods haven't changed, only the terms. And the demons certainly haven't.

Demons don't exist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Demons don't exist.


Whether they exist or not is irrelevant. To those who beleive in them, they have a very real affect on their lives.


I've never seen or heard a demon my entire life, because I never truly beleived in them. Therefore, I never invited that into my life.


Those who beleive in them, will eventually see/hear/feel them, and reinforce thier beleif.

Demons don't need invitations, and I too have never felt, heard, smelled, seen, or otherwise sensed a demon.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Demons don't need invitations, and I too have never felt, heard, smelled, seen, or otherwise sensed a demon.


Then why beleive in them ?

Ephesians 6:12

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ephesians 6:12


So do you beleive in excorcisms ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Ephesians 6:12

Then you should also believe that the Earth is flat, and with four corners. The bible is wrong about a lot of things.

Originally posted by FeceMan
The methods haven't changed, only the terms. And the demons certainly haven't.

And what are these unchanging methods?

Demons? Really? That's your answer? "Demons"?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you should also believe that the Earth is flat, and with four corners. The bible is wrong about a lot of things.

As with anything a person dwells on. If you believe in fairies, pixies and such, then they will manifest also. It's the belief of a person that does it. Just as miracles are also a belief.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you should also believe that the Earth is flat, and with four corners. The bible is wrong about a lot of things.
That would be metaphorical language, my dear.
Originally posted by Devil King
And what are these unchanging methods?

Demons? Really? That's your answer? "Demons"?
Replace "familiar spirit" with "spirit guide," and you're halfway there.

Originally posted by FeceMan
That would be metaphorical language, my dear.

Replace "familiar spirit" with "spirit guide," and you're halfway there.

And so are demons then.

Uh...no. Paul's writing isn't poetic, and he certainly isn't using an expression.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Uh...no. Paul's writing isn't poetic, and he certainly isn't using an expression.


Yeah, he's pretty straight forward. Isn't he the one who said Gays should be executed ?

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Yeah, he's pretty straight forward. Isn't he the one who said Gays should be executed ?
You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Originally posted by FeceMan
You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

And you do?

Originally posted by FeceMan
You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?


So St. Paul never condemned Homosexuality ?


The Bible doesn't say that it is detestable for a man to lay with another man as he would a woman? and that it's not punishable by death?.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And you do?
Absolutely.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
So St. Paul never condemned Homosexuality ?


The Bible doesn't say that it is detestable for a man to lay with another man as he would a woman? and that it's not punishable by death?.
Could you tell me the parts of the Mosaic Law that St. Paul wrote, Urizen?

Warlocks are the enemy of God.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Absolutely...

Pride comes before the fall.

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^ I can't open YouTube files.

Lol, pwned.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Lol, pwned.

Because I can't open YouTube? I'm better off not looking at any of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because I can't open YouTube? I'm better off not looking at any of it. But you have the big blinking eye, you should see every thing

Originally posted by Da Pittman
But you have the big blinking eye, you should see every thing

Ya, but the boss has put down the big hammer on YouTube. Maybe I'm paranoid.

Originally posted by fini
heyyy its fatima

Hello fini


Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Witchcraft is not powerful. It is a delusion.

Do you believe in Black magic or Genies ?

Originally posted by Fatima
Hello fini




Do you believe in Black magic or Genies ?

No. I don't believe in the supernatural.

Well what we call supernatural could be classified as cause and effect.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well what we call supernatural could be classified as cause and effect.

No, not what I call supernatural. It would have to be beyond cause and effect.

or maybe just beyond our ability to see physically based cause and affect from the perspective were looking at it from?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
or maybe just beyond our ability to see physically based cause and affect from the perspective were looking at it from?

Then it would not be supernatural.

exactly what i mean. we think it is when it might just have very complicated cause-affect relationships. ofcourse once you start thinking of virtual particles superdimensional/simultaneous/holographic interactions of space/time/mass and even our conciousness etc. then it sorta comes to question if cause and affect can be the ONLY criteria for natural or whatnot.

its also our EXPECTATIONS of how traditional cause-affect wud work which labels a situationa as normal/abnormal. not counting chaos etc which can arise even in purely natural cause-affect systems.

It could work like: Karma = Cause and Effect = things not totally understood from our little pea on brains, though we may think we KNOW it all, we certainly do not, even though we can put lables on them. Like I said before the word Logos from the Greek means many more things than just "Word."

Originally posted by debbiejo
It could work like: Karma = Cause and Effect = things not totally understood from our little pea on brains, though we may think we KNOW it all, we certainly do not, even though we can put lables on them. Like I said before the word Logos from the Greek means many more things than just "Word."

Deb!

What?

Logos. Our NT Bibles are translated from the Greek, but that word Logos means more than the word "Word". As in the beginning was the Word and the Word became flesh.

I must of posted it in another thread.......lol

Originally posted by debbiejo
What?

Don't be so... Deb.

I fixed it...

Logos also mean Nature or Natural Effects.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I fixed it...

Logos also mean Nature or Natural Effects.

That is not what I was talking about.

Originally posted by Fatima
So , I know for sure that witchcraft is powerful,but is it against the bible?and can you be you a christian and still practice magic , combine between the two?

Nah...magic and Bible are compatible. Don't see why not.

They did lots of magic in the Bible. Hallucinogens too, I think..

Traditional Christianity has long had very negative views of witchcraft and witches, which hasn' t changed much in recent years.

What do they think miracles are? Just another word for unexplained phenomenon yet using a different name.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then it would not be supernatural.

Modern witchcraft by definition is not supernatural - rather working with natural energies to assist in bringing about the desired effect.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I fixed it...

Logos also mean Nature or Natural Effects.

Hmm. I like it.

By the way, I've heard someone refer to witchcraft/magick as basically science that hasn't been proven yet. Ya know, the church used to consider it a heresy to say the earth was round...now science & technology has shown us otherwise...maybe the same will happen eventually for magick/intention/prayer - it may all prove to be simply a natural thing after all (complete with a scientific explanation). Until then, I'll take what I can get from science (the cycles of the moon & nature do affect us humans & all other life on this planet - better to go with the flow than against it)

Hmm, I think I like you.

Originally posted by Storm
Traditional Christianity has long had very negative views of witchcraft and witches, which hasn' t changed much in recent years. What they called witches were just Pagans really.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmm, I think I like you. Why thank you. I like you too. hug

God said it was bad in the OT.
Then Jesus (God) said that he had made a "new covenant". That covenant said nothing about witches, in fact it was all about peace and love and not judging people.

So basically Jews should kill witches and Christians should try to stop them.

Originally posted by julibug
Hmm. I like it.

By the way, I've heard someone refer to witchcraft/magick as basically science that hasn't been proven yet. Ya know, the church used to consider it a heresy to say the earth was round...now science & technology has shown us otherwise...maybe the same will happen eventually for magick/intention/prayer - it may all prove to be simply a natural thing after all (complete with a scientific explanation). Until then, I'll take what I can get from science (the cycles of the moon & nature do affect us humans & all other life on this planet - better to go with the flow than against it) Well, what you said makes a LOT of sense! What some people call magic others call prayer. They are both wishing for outcomes. They are both using strong intentions. But I believe it is only one force or natural energy. This one force can act and react with intentions as shown in some quantum studies of sub particle relations of interactions and non location. Ripple and wave effects.

gotquestions.org? Is that part of CARM? So, "ushomefree", am I free to assume that you do base your beliefs on the bible?

Actually, it appears through his cut and paste tactics, he obtains his beliefs from websites.

I actually find Wiccan mythology to be beautiful.


The beleive in the God and Goddess, fundamental aspects in every living thing. They also believe that Earth is the mother, a living creature of her own caliber, and we (all human and animal life) are the children who live and depend on her.

Some of their beliefs are close to the Native Americans.

Originally posted by julibug
gotquestions.org? Is that part of CARM? So, "ushomefree", am I free to assume that you do base your beliefs on the bible?


ushomefree?