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nvrbeenwthagirl
Instead of thanos wanting to destroy all of reality, GEB goes there to do it. Will it succeed? Can it defeat the abstracts Thanos did and then absorb all there is?

quanchi112
lt defeats the geb. next.

MightyEInherjar
No way, GEB dominates this. It's never lost, and was only 'stalemated' by the Presence itself, iirc.

kevdude
Yup true, LT goes down hard!

Erik-Lensherr
GEB can't really lose

TricksterPriest
The frigging Spectre could barely hold back it's thumb........srsly Yeah, GEB gets the job done. wink

Shin_Nikkolas
The LT tells everyone he's taking an off-day and goes looking for the dude he serves to see if he can hide somewhere.

Supermanluv
Boring !!!!!!!!!

Astner
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Instead of thanos wanting to destroy all of reality, GEB goes there to do it. Will it succeed? Can it defeat the abstracts Thanos did and then absorb all there is?
OK, there are three alternatives.
1. You're insecure about your perspective of the cosmology in Marvel and DC.
2. You want to convince people, who you know you can't convince that your beleif is the correct one.
3. You simply want to start a flamebait thread.

In my honest opinion it goes like this.
The-One-Above-All = the Presence >> Yahweh = Great Darkness + Ultimate Light.

Now if Yahweh, the current version, was formed by the Great Darkness and the Light merging, and you assume that when they merged they became more powerful. Then the Great Darkness, or the "Great Evil Beast" is weaker than what Yahweh, currently is.
And Yahweh is as confirmed in Lucifer 75, not supreme.

Possibilities would be that Yahweh is an aspect, avatar, manifestation or whatever, of the Presence.

But Marvel: the End was a bit iffy, But we know that Thanos did not absorb all realities, because he did say that Adam survived because he was in another reality (universe)
But he did absorb all that he could.

So, from what I've understood, Thanos did absorb the main universe (616) and alternate timelines, dimensions but nothing more.
So he had the supreme beings power in one universe, but then again, Starlin couldn't write outside that universe.

So to answer your question, if Starlin wrote the series. The End would probably win. If not, I don't know.

Kutulu
Originally posted by Astner
OK, there are three alternatives.
1. You're insecure about your perspective of the cosmology in Marvel and DC.
2. You want to convince people, who you know you can't convince that your beleif is the correct one.
3. You simply want to start a flamebait thread.

In my honest opinion it goes like this.
The-One-Above-All = the Presence >> Yahweh = Great Darkness + Ultimate Light.

Now if Yahweh, the current version, was formed by the Great Darkness and the Light merging, and you assume that when they merged they became more powerful. Then the Great Darkness, or the "Great Evil Beast" is weaker than what Yahweh, currently is.
And Yahweh is as confirmed in Lucifer 75, not supreme.

Possibilities would be that Yahweh is an aspect, avatar, manifestation or whatever, of the Presence.

But Marvel: the End was a bit iffy, But we know that Thanos did not absorb all realities, because he did say that Adam survived because he was in another reality (universe)
But he did absorb all that he could.

So, from what I've understood, Thanos did absorb the main universe (616) and alternate timelines, dimensions but nothing more.
So he had the supreme beings power in one universe, but then again, Starlin couldn't write outside that universe.

So to answer your question, if Starlin wrote the series. The End would probably win. If not, I don't know.

Thanos absorbed the Multiverse that contains 616 universe. He later discovers that there were multiverses outside of that one which were unaffected.

Astner
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The frigging Spectre could barely hold back it's thumb........srsly Yeah, GEB gets the job done. wink
Your point being?
- Spectre had a hard time in DoV with just the magicians of the universe.
Eternity would be able to kill every magician in the universe in an instant.
Unless that being have acheived some power that surpasses the nature of the universe itself.
I doubt that Eternity even if struggling could even bend a hair on the wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet, against its will.

Astner
Originally posted by Kutulu
Thanos absorbed the Multiverse that contains 616 universe. He later discovers that there were multiverses outside of that one which were unaffected.
Too bad it wasent stated, not even mentioned.
Not even the gems had real Multiversal feats before the latter issues of Illuminary.

boriquaking55
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Galan007
These kind of threads are getting old....... Seriously. erm

Shin_Nikkolas
This should make this thread at least woth something.

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And if you're not into the horror scene, try some legendary comedy.

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quanchi112
Originally posted by Galan007
These kind of threads are getting old....... Seriously. erm talk to nver hes out to convince the forum that dc is superior and that marvel is inferior. its funny now. he keeps making these threads.

Endless Mike
GEB easily

SpearofDestiny
Any scans on GEB ?

Endless Mike
First link in my sig

SpearofDestiny
That's so interesting. So in DC, God is not a truly all-good being. He/It is the force of both light and dark. The union of infinite opposites. The Yin Yang, like another poster said.


That's really cool.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's so interesting. So in DC, God is not a truly all-good being. He/It is the force of both light and dark. The union of infinite opposites. The Yin Yang, like another poster said.


That's really cool. that was me who said the yin and yang actually. thanks.

Astner
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's so interesting. So in DC, God is not a truly all-good being. He/It is the force of both light and dark. The union of infinite opposites. The Yin Yang, like another poster said.


That's really cool.
Wrong, that's Vertigo's God--and he is not even supreme, even after he merged he said that there were powers beyond his own.

Read the scan carefully, this is Lucifer talking to Yahweh (the result of GEB and God merging)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9424/lucifer75p34py1sb3.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by Astner
But Marvel: the End was a bit iffy, But we know that Thanos did not absorb all realities, because he did say that Adam survived because he was in another reality (universe)

Thanos never said Warlock was in another Relity or Universe.

Warlock and Gamora were both in Atleza's realm
which isn't even close to being a Universe, not even close.

Warlock, Gamora, and Atleza survived
because Atleza's pocket domain is Beyond/Outisde of Time & Space.

This is why Death also survived,
and anything else that was located Outside of Time & Space.

Why?

Because Thanos absorbed All the Time & Space in the Omniverse only.

And Thanos DID absorb it ALL,
because it's literally impossible to erase 616,
without erasing the Omniverse.

Oh, and Marvel.com confirms Thanos erased the Marvel Universe.
(Marvel Universe = the Omniverse)

Oh, and the LT's Bio and Eternity's bio both state that,
that Thanos erased "All of Reality" ... "All that Existed"

Originally posted by Astner
But he did absorb all that he could.

All of Time & Space in Marvel.


What was shown on panel was the Marvel Universe:

The Marvel Universe is the Omniverse.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Towards the bottom under (The Ends of The Universe)

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On Panel:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5086/mute0608copyyr7.th.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3983/94871726cn6.th.jpg

"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign .. Until .."

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg
"Nothing Remained"

...........................................................................................................


I always knew this meant what it obviously meant.


Thanos started out by absorbing the 616 Reality (Eternity & Infinity)
and then to make sure that no one could ever try to touch him,
he absorbed all the Time & Space in the Omniverse.

Or as the Official Marvel bios state:


(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3393/etbap1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)
"Thanos claimed THOTI ... Eternity opposed ... Thanos destroyed All of Reality"



What is "All of Reality?"



(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2766/o1ss7.th.jpg
"The Omniverse, Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass All Reality"


The Omniverse according to Marvel the company that creates and publishes Marvel comics.

...........................................................................................................


Or ALL of Existence = ALL of Marvel!

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 LT - Bio)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6977/ltbtz7.th.jpg

"Thanos gained THOTI ... LT joined champions across Reality ..

Thanos destroyed All that existed"

Mr Master
Originally posted by Astner
So, from what I've understood, Thanos did absorb the main universe (616)
and alternate timelines, dimensions but nothing more.

Again, it's impossible to erase 616, and leave the Omniverse behind.
The 616 Universe is the foundation of the Omniverse.


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7572/96351941pf7.th.jpg

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "


..................................................................................


Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3118/78090319qu9.th.jpg

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"


Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

Mr Master
Originally posted by Astner
So he had the supreme beings power in one universe, but then again, Starlin couldn't write outside that universe.

Thanos became the Supreme Being of Marvel, the Almighty, God.



Eternity says,

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2928/th15db3.th.jpg

"I demand you relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

Thanos replies,

"more like GIVEN to me"


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http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8813/th16rb9.th.jpg
"Your Lord & Master (TOAA/God) has abandoned you Eternity"


..................................................................................


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9954/th17wg4.th.jpg
"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"


Eternity RESPONDS,

No, but .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)


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http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/500/th18br2.th.jpg
"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...

My Will is Supreme

Endless Mike
If he was "outside of time and space", then how could he move, have a body, or think?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If he was "outside of time and space", then how could he move, have a body, or think?

You still with that? laughing out loud


http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3198/adamgoesbtwnuniverses15yh.th.jpg
"Beyond the Realms of Space and Time"



http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg
"Outside the influence of Eternity and Infinity"



Your question will be ignored because it was addresed by several members.
In yet another thread.

It's a Comic Book dude.

You disagree or find it offensive,
call or email the Marvel Comics Company about it.

But stop posting that question again and again
unless you have Proof that in Marvel and DC for that matter,
you can't exist Outside of Space & Time.

Endless Mike
It's logically inconsistent. Warlock obviously had no idea what he was talking about. Your method of taking character dialogue over all else, even logic and on - panel events, is simply idiotic.

Galan007
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's logically inconsistent. Warlock obviously had no idea what he was talking about. Your method of taking character dialogue over all else, even logic and on - panel events, is simply idiotic. It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.

It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.


As a matter of fact,

Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". erm

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.

It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.


As a matter of fact,

Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". erm

thumb up noneyes

nvrbeenwthagirl
When did the Marvel Universe start equalling the Omniverse Automatically?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Astner
Wrong, that's Vertigo's God--and he is not even supreme, even after he merged he said that there were powers beyond his own.

Read the scan carefully, this is Lucifer talking to Yahweh (the result of GEB and God merging)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9424/lucifer75p34py1sb3.jpg

He's Infinite And Eternal. Only God is both.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When did the Marvel Universe start equalling the Omniverse Automatically?

It always has been.

The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)

it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.

But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."

This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.

This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.

The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.

616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
It always has been.

The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)

it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.

But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."

This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.

This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.

The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.

616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.

So Basically , feats of omniversal ower dont' matter much becuz anyone with universal power can collapse the marvel multiverse, even omniverse by sheer fact of callapsing The 616. And how does one collapse the 616 when MJJ lives there?

SpearofDestiny
Originally posted by Mr Master
It always has been.

The Big Bang created one Infinite Universe (the Omniverse)

it's only an Omniverse to differentiate the groups
that exist independently from each other,
these are infinite Clusters of Universes that make up a Multiverse.

But a Multiverse is just a chunk of real estate
on the same land as other Multiverses,
the Land being this super Universe called "the Omniverse."

This all basically comes back to the same point,
the 616 Universe was the central point,
the origin of the explosion that created everything. (an expanding Omniverse)
So essentially everything flows outward from the 616 Reality.

This is why the Alien Entity was able to fold the Marvel Universe from 616,
because 616 supports the entire Omniverse.

The Alien Entity simply folded 616's History to before it's creation point,
and that erased the Omniverse.
Because before 616, there was nothing.

616 is what makes the rest of the Omniverse even relevant.



So If 616 is destroyed, than so will be the rest of the omniverse ?

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So Basically , feats of omniversal ower dont' matter much becuz anyone with universal power can collapse the marvel multiverse, even omniverse by sheer fact of callapsing The 616.

Ahh, but there liies the key,
how many cats have been able to accomplish that, collapsing 616?

4 ... that's it. smile

Sis-Neg in affect became "God,"
and released that power to create Marvel anew in 72'


Genis & Entropy recycled the Prime Multiverse,
616 being part of the Prime Multiverse in effect collapsed all of Marvel.
Then Entropy re-created all of Marvel
by exploding and therefore becoming the New Eternity (Multiverse) in 02'


Then Thanos came and did it in The End: Marvel in 03'
He began by absorbing 616 and continued to absorb until Nothing remained.
Thanos never even stepped out of 616, he stood there on ground zero,
and swallowed the all of Marvel's Time & Space from it.


And finally the Alien Entity in 06'
The Alien folded 616's History,
this in effect folded the rest of Marvel which derives from 616.
The Alien and Reed reached the point before the original Big Bang.
And from there, with the "Spark of Creation" that was created from within him,
the Alien was able to create Marvel anew, but he needed Reed's mind as a guide.
The Alien Entity also merged with the energies of creation, Past, Present and Future.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And how does one collapse the 616 when MJJ lives there?

?

MJJ reappeared in late 05' during HOM, and hasn't been heard of since.
He'll pop up sooner or later, but he's incognito taking it easy right now.

On the other hand,

only the Alien Entity has done it since Mjj's return,
and I rank the Alien Entity above MJJ.

The Alien Entity's feat was ridiculous.

Mr Master
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
So If 616 is destroyed, than so will be the rest of the omniverse ?

Yea.

Originally posted by Mr Master

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7572/96351941pf7.th.jpg

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "


..................................................................................


Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3118/78090319qu9.th.jpg

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"


Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

kevdude
Originally posted by Astner
Wrong, that's Vertigo's God--and he is not even supreme, even after he merged he said that there were powers beyond his own.

Read the scan carefully, this is Lucifer talking to Yahweh (the result of GEB and God merging)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9424/lucifer75p34py1sb3.jpg

They never literally merged and made Yahweh, YHWH was/is The Presence and they both gave a piece of each other to the other. Afterwords The Beast left Heaven and returned to Hell, it is now known as the Shadowlands. And the forces external to him would have to be the void (not the writers) or the Source.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Galan007
It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.

It's "logically inconsistent" for a shot of gamma radiation to turn a normal human being into a huge green dude that gets really really strong as he gets angrier, but no one questions that.


As a matter of fact,

Trying to find logic in every event you come across in comics, is "logically inconsistent". erm nice ownage.

quanchi112
Originally posted by kevdude
They never literally merged and made Yahweh, YHWH was/is The Presence and they both gave a piece of each other to the other. Afterwords The Beast left Heaven and returned to Hell, it is now known as the Shadowlands. And the forces external to him would have to be the void (not the writers) or the Source. so the there is no supreme being. wow. wonder what nver thinks of this proof.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's Infinite And Eternal. Only God is both. hes not supreme. dc presence isnt supreme. what a shame.

kevdude
Originally posted by quanchi112
so the there is no supreme being. wow. wonder what nver thinks of this proof.

No i never said there was no supreme being, from everything we have read yhwh/the Presence is supreme only God can be Infinite and Eternal and The Creator. That is much more then Thanos w/thotu ever said, he never said "I am Eternal and Infinite" to do so would mean he would have to know everything that would happen in Marvel the End which he didn't, and he was separated from the Heart and it was seemingly destroyed after he remade the MU, something that would never happened if he was truly Eternal/God.

quanchi112
Originally posted by kevdude
No i never said there was no supreme being, from everything we have read yhwh/the Presence is supreme only God can be Infinite and Eternal and The Creator. That is much more then Thanos w/thotu ever said, he never said "I am Eternal and Infinite" to do so would mean he would have to know everything that would happen in Marvel the End which he didn't, and he was separated from the Heart and it was seemingly destroyed after he remade the MU, something that would never happened if he was truly Eternal/God. sorry doesnt pass go here. presence cant defeat the geb which means he aint supreme. he sint all powerful but has a direct and equal counterpart. thanos with the heart had no equal hence he was supreme.


tell me a comic book being on panel that could defeat thanos with the heart cuz if u dont i win.

i wanna hear who u think in marvel could defeat thanos with the heart.

KMC_Drifter
Originally posted by quanchi112
sorry doesnt pass go here. presence cant defeat the geb which means he aint supreme. he sint all powerful but has a direct and equal counterpart. thanos with the heart had no equal hence he was supreme.


tell me a comic book being on panel that could defeat thanos with the heart cuz if u dont i win.

i wanna hear who u think in marvel could defeat thanos with the heart.


Ok....Thanos couldn't defeat the Inifinity Being....he could only stalemate him. Thanos couldn't defeat God...the same God that the Fantastic Four saw in Marvel's Heaven. These are on panel beings. So, if you keep persisting that the Presence isn't Supreme because he can't defeat the GEB...then, what do you call the former Supreme Being of Marvel...the Infinity Being? Oops....Marvel has had more than one Supreme Being on Panel. According to your logic...there can't be more than one Supreme Being?

However, I know you won't accept this...and you'll come up with some lame excuse to keep this argument going.

quanchi112
Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
Ok....Thanos couldn't defeat the Inifinity Being....he could only stalemate him. Thanos couldn't defeat God...the same God that the Fantastic Four saw in Marvel's Heaven. These are on panel beings. So, if you keep persisting that the Presence isn't Supreme because he can't defeat the GEB...then, what do you call the former Supreme Being of Marvel...the Infinity Being? Oops....Marvel has had more than one Supreme Being on Panel. According to your logic...there can't be more than one Supreme Being?

However, I know you won't accept this...and you'll come up with some lame excuse to keep this argument going. its not lame its true. thanos was more than the infinity being when he got the heart. sorry but if u read the story ud realize his power far surpassed what he had when he had the ig. thanos with the heart ws supreme,proved it n panel, and eternity dint argue with him becuz he knew it was tue.

the lt was nothing to thanos with the heart who had the most impressive on panel feats out of anyone basically in a comic.

geb loses.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
its not lame its true. thanos was more than the infinity being when he got the heart. sorry but if u read the story ud realize his power far surpassed what he had when he had the ig. thanos with the heart ws supreme,proved it n panel, and eternity dint argue with him becuz he knew it was tue.

the lt was nothing to thanos with the heart who had the most impressive on panel feats out of anyone basically in a comic.

geb loses.

So Could thanos beat The Kirby Avatar?

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So Could thanos beat The Kirby Avatar? anything on panel and proven to be less than supreme thanos defeats here.

stick out tongue

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
anything on panel and proven to be less than supreme thanos defeats here.

stick out tongue

The Kirby Avatar was God. Supreme and undefeatable.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Kirby Avatar was God. Supreme and undefeatable. didnt hear of this kirby avatar. what issue was he in? and what feats does he have? did he defeat all uber beings at once with ease or just claim to be supreme.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
didnt hear of this kirby avatar. what issue was he in? and what feats does he have? did he defeat all uber beings at once with ease or just claim to be supreme.

Supreme beings do not need feats. They do not need to defeat anyone. They are supreme. Unchallengeable.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supreme beings do not need feats. They do not need to defeat anyone. They are supreme. Unchallengeable. wrong by ur own logic. thanos was supreme and actually proved it and u still acted like he wasnt. sorry kid but until kirbys avatar proves it i dont buy it.


pawned with ur own logic.

Endless Mike
Originally posted by Galan007
It's "logically inconsistent" for a character to breath unaided in the vacuum of space, but no one questions that.

No it's not. It's physically impossible, but not logically inconsistent - i.e. it doesn't contradict itself.



See above.



Learn the difference between physical impossibilities and logical impossibilities.

Astner
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No it's not. It's physically impossible, but not logically inconsistent - i.e. it doesn't contradict itself.
It is impossible to breathe in vacuum, because there are no matter to inhale, you cannot suck up vacuum.


No, you're wrong. Physics are based on logic, thus being completely logical.

Learn the difference between fiction and reality.

Endless Mike
Something that contradicts physics does not necessarily contradict logic. If the laws of physics were different, then the laws of logic would still be the same.

Astner
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Something that contradicts physics does not necessarily contradict logic. If the laws of physics were different, then the laws of logic would still be the same.
What the hell are you talking about?
It's logical that a mass would be drawn to another, it's logical that if you affect a mass with a force it would move.
Physics are based on logic, if they were written differentely they would have to be read differentely.
Physics are basicly illustrated logic (or partly, physics are just one of many)

If you eant to make a case, give a concrete example of something that is by the laws of physic impossible, but not impossible following logic.

Endless Mike
No, that's determined by physics. Logic is something that can be determined without any outside observations, because a logical contradiction would be inherently nonsensical. Like a square circle, or a being existing outside of time yet still experiencing time passing.

Astner
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, that's determined by physics. Logic is something that can be determined without any outside observations, because a logical contradiction would be inherently nonsensical. Like a square circle, or a being existing outside of time yet still experiencing time passing.
As see, you're moving on to arithmetics ...

But still you cannot create a perfect circle out of matter or energy, because it can always be devided into lesser particles.
- So it's illogical .

Sentinent life forms cannot exist outside time, fact is time does not even exist. It's just something mankind invented to make things easier on them. - Using arithmetics though allows you to calculate on higher planes.
But it doesn't necessarely mean that there exist other dimensions, as in the physical sense you're imagine it.
For a creature to live it would need metabolism etc.

Endless Mike
You're still not grasping the difference between a physical impossibility and a logical impossibility. A physical impossibility is something that can't happen according to what we know about how the universe works. A logical impossibility is something that contradicts itself and is inherently nonsensical.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're still not grasping the difference between a physical impossibility and a logical impossibility. A physical impossibility is something that can't happen according to what we know about how the universe works. A logical impossibility is something that contradicts itself and is inherently nonsensical.

Physically impossible to Move a Sun. Logically Impossible to move a sun with Pure physical strength.

Physically impossible to Run from Earth to the Moon.

Logically Impossible to Think linearly in an area where time doesn't exist.

Astner
You didn't give me a concrete example.
You can illustrate a perfect circle in physics, making up equations for it etc.
But you cannot build something like that when the components are not fitting.

It's illogical to warp reality, or to create/destroy matter.
And do you remember the first laws of physic?

You're mixing logic with fiction.

Astner
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Physically impossible to Move a Sun. Logically Impossible to move a sun with Pure physical strength.
Strength itself is not a force.


Impossible to run in vacuum, true.


We can describe it though, that's what all the millions of courses maths you can studdy in universities.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Astner
Strength itself is not a force.


Impossible to run in vacuum, true.


We can describe it though, that's what all the millions of courses maths you can studdy in universities.

It's logically impossible to move the sun with physical strength becuz The sun isn't solid enough to move with a physical touch.

It's also Logically impossible to think linear thought in a void of time becuz Then time would exist becuz of the linear thinking.

Sirius77
Geb pwns.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Sirius77
Geb pwns. geb gets owned. i mean come on marvel has bigger threats than dc. its just the way it is.

kevdude
Originally posted by quanchi112
geb gets owned. i mean come on marvel has bigger threats than dc. its just the way it is.

No not really, stop being biased already wink

quanchi112
Originally posted by kevdude
No not really, stop being biased already wink yes superman defeating all these uber beings with help brings down the threat in my eyes. imagine superman involved in ig. he would od nothing but get killed. threats are bigger in marvel.\



the way it is.



wink

Pyron_Knight
How many fingers will the GEB need to win?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight

How many fingers will the GEB need to win?
If THOTI is part of this comedy,
he doesn't have enough fingers to win.

He can stalemate though,
cause as I understand it, GEB is equal to the Supreme being,
which makes it equal to THOTI (Marvel's supreme power & status withIN the Omniverse)

cloud102
GEB.

Nihilist
at best the hotu stalemates the geb imo

quanchi112
Originally posted by Nihilist
at best the hotu stalemates the geb imo How could the hotu lose?

Knowsbleed33
BFR it?

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by LatinoStallion
That's so interesting. So in DC, God is not a truly all-good being. He/It is the force of both light and dark. The union of infinite opposites. The Yin Yang, like another poster said.


That's really cool.

I think that DC has a better view of GOD than Marvel.

Since God is everything, he is Yin and Yang, he is good and evil.
He created Michael and Lucifer.
Lucifer, whom God knows is evil, yet he created him.
But GEB is actually the DARKNESS withIN GOD HIMSELF.
The hand we saw reaching out was not the Presence, it was GOD.

BTW not being a fanboy but GEB annihilates Marvel in this case.

kevdude
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I think that DC has a better view of GOD than Marvel.

Since God is everything, he is Yin and Yang, he is good and evil.
He created Michael and Lucifer.
Lucifer, whom God knows is evil, yet he created him.
But GEB is actually the DARKNESS withIN GOD HIMSELF.
The hand we saw reaching out was not the Presence, it was GOD.

BTW not being a fanboy but GEB annihilates Marvel in this case.

Very good, it was The Source's hand wink

Superherovandal
Seriously all of these pathetic attempts for one companie's fanboys to prove their cosmology is better than another are stupid. and i'm not just talking about this one. I mean all of the IG, HOTU, Cosmic cube, Worlogog, TOAA vs Presence, Source vs etc crap. Its old its boring and it's plain annoying. It also shows a lack of creativity on this forum. Seriously this forum is going to the gutters. Stop it with the same same banal nonsensical crap.

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Juntai
Originally posted by Superherovandal
mean all of the IG, HOTU, Cosmic cube, Worlogog, TOAA vs Presence, Source vs etc crap. Its old its boring and it's plain annoying.

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