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Punisher vs Black Widow fight takes place in some church at night.

Black Widow

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Black Widow

Indeed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
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Punisher vs Black Widow fight takes place in some church at night.

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Black Widow

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Black Widow

In hand-to-hand, probably. But Frank is a hunter.

5/10 to each, first who shoot winz.

Frank ftw.

bump

black widow for sure

Originally posted by Battlehammer
black widow for sure

Aye.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
black widow for sure

but

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ehehehe...

Oh yeah didnt Bullseye beat Black Widow, didnt Punisher beat Bullseye.

Red Hood kills them both..

"pew pew"

Originally posted by Alfheim
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You already posted those. Repetition is not an effective debating tactic.

Now, let's review.

Runman
Soljer
Guy
Jason
Smurph
Capt

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Punisher Fanboy

....Interesting.

Originally posted by Soljer
You already posted those. Repetition is not an effective debating tactic.

Now, let's review.

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Soljer
Guy
Jason
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Capt

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Punisher Fanboy

....Interesting.

Lets review

1. I have scans of Punisher beating BW after she has got the drop on him and disabled her widow bite. Punisher was winning the fight.

2. Punisher has beaten Bullseye somebody who has beaten BW

3. Im a fanboy......wow.

1. No one won that fight.

2. ABC logic is shit.

3. You are a fanboy.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. No one won that fight.

2. ABC logic is shit.

3. You are a fanboy.

1. He was winning the fight. He was beating her despite the fact she got the drop on him and he disabled her weapon. Franks weapon had not been disabled who do you think was winning.

2. Frank getting the upperhand on BW and beating an opponent that beat her is better than BW wins.

3. Ok explain why im a fanboy...probably wont.

1. Beating her? Are you insane? That fight would have went hand to hand, and Frank would have been stomped.

2. Restating ABC logic without using mathematical operators still doesn't make it admissible.

3. Because you give your character of choice unreal and unnatural odds against people he/she has no business of ever truly beating.

Alfheim is NOT a Punisher fanboy.













He's a Captain America fanboy.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Alfheim is NOT a Punisher fanboy.













He's a Captain America fanboy. Im neither.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Beating her? Are you insane? That fight would have went hand to hand, and Frank would have been stomped.

Why would he have been stomped? If shes so good why wasnt she able to get the first blow after she got the drop on him?

If shes so good why wasnt she able to stop her weapon getting disabled?


Originally posted by Soljer

2. Restating ABC logic without using mathematical operators still doesn't make it admissible.

Well what bloody argument would you use? Your going to tell me that DD has stomped Frank before, right? Thats still ABC logic!

Originally posted by Soljer

3. Because you give your character of choice unreal and unnatural odds against people he/she has no business of ever truly beating.

What like giving Frank 2 wins over Captain America....bullshit.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Why would he have been stomped? If shes so good why wasnt she able to get the first blow after she got the drop on him?

If shes so good why wasnt she able to stop her weapon getting disabled?




Well what bloody argument would you use? Your going to tell me that DD has stomped Frank before, right? Thats still ABC logic!



What like giving Frank 2 wins over Captain America....bullshit.
Disabling her weapon does not make him her superior in hand to hand combat. Your logic fails here.

Is Daredevil in this thread? No? Then why would I bring him up? Your logic fails here, too.

Captain America is another person you're a fanboy of - 'eh punchez wit 100 tonnz of da force! Da force, luke!' So your opinion of the two of them in a match HAS to take into account more than sheer bias. Unlike your evaluation of every other Punisher thread in the forum.

Originally posted by Soljer
Disabling her weapon does not make him her superior in hand to hand combat. Your logic fails here.

the skills which he used to disable her weapon would be used in H2H combat...eg refelexes. Funny how you ignored that she still got the drop on him...keep it up.

Originally posted by Soljer

Is Daredevil in this thread? No? Then why would I bring him up? Your logic fails here, too.

Really then please explain why Frank would get stomped....because...

Originally posted by Soljer

Captain America is another person you're a fanboy of - 'eh punchez wit 100 tonnz of da force! Da force, luke!' So your opinion of the two of them in a match HAS to take into account more than sheer bias. Unlike your evaluation of every other Punisher thread in the forum.

Of course because thats not what I said....moron. Its funny how you still havnt proved that im a fanboy of Punisher...keep changing the subject and sidetracking.....rubbish.

btw, ABC logic isn't as bad as some people make it out to be

it generally give you a good idea of where the character stands

i.e. Someone who can beat Thor is probably not going to have too much trouble against spiderman

Originally posted by masterbruce
btw, ABC logic isn't as bad as some people make it out to be

it generally give you a good idea of where the character stands

i.e. Someone who can beat Thor is probably not going to have too much trouble against spiderman

Exactly.

Originally posted by masterbruce
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He's a Captain America fanboy.
hes both

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hes both

Right on schedule.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Right on schedule.
I posted that like a haft an hour ago

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I posted that like a haft an hour ago

...not the point.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
...not the point.....
what your gunna try and say your not both?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what your gunna try and say your not both?

No I was gonna say im both.

good










black widow still wins.

she better in every area. she more skilled. she more expereinced. she been trained better.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
good
.

That was sarcasm.







Originally posted by Battlehammer


black widow still wins.

she better in every area. she more skilled. she more expereinced. she been trained better.

Then why is she losing the fight with Frank and why has Frank beaten Bullseye that has beaten BW?

Originally posted by Alfheim
That was sarcasm.









Then why is she losing the fight with Frank and why has Frank beaten Bullseye that has beaten BW?
losing? the fight was inconclusive.


abc logic sucks .

bulleye got cokcy with frank if I recall.

also bulleye beating black widow means frank can?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
losing? the fight was inconclusive.


He was still winning though. Him winning the fight is obvoulsy a good piece of evidence that he could win, its better than he was losing it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

abc logic sucks .

bulleye got cokcy with frank if I recall.

also bulleye beating black widow means frank can?

Well ok why do you think Frank would lose to BW?

Originally posted by Alfheim
He was still winning though. Him winning the fight is obvoulsy a good piece of evidence that he could win, its better than he was losing it.



Well ok why do you think Frank would lose to BW?

She faster, quicker, more agile,stronger, better reflexes, far greater stamina, more skilled, more experienced, trained by greater fighters,

Originally posted by Battlehammer
She faster, quicker, more agile,stronger, better reflexes, far greater stamina, more skilled, more experienced, trained by greater fighters,

...so why was she losing.......

Originally posted by Alfheim
...so why was she losing.......
her the thing the fight was not over. just becuase soem oen apeares to be losing does not mean they will lose.

the fight never ended and would have come to h2h were frank would get stomp.


frank doing good in a 10 second fight means nothing when niether combatant was near defeat.

Black Widow for the win.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
her the thing the fight was not over. just becuase soem oen apeares to be losing does not mean they will lose.

Of course but it can still be regarded as a piece of evidence. When we discuss Cap Vs Spiderman we dont know exactly how would have won the fight but by judging who was winning or losing when can try and draw some conclusions.


Originally posted by Battlehammer

the fight never ended and would have come to h2h were frank would get stomp.

HOw do you know that?


Originally posted by Battlehammer

frank doing good in a 10 second fight means nothing when niether combatant was near defeat.

Well Frank had a weapon and BW had taken more knocks and was weaponless. Frank had the advantage. The fight was inconclusive but we cant just ignore he was winning.

If shes faster quicker and better trained she should be able to stomp a lesser fighter who she got by suprise...but thats not what happened.

bump glare

Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets review

1. I have scans of Punisher beating BW after she has got the drop on him and disabled her widow bite. Punisher was winning the fight.

2. Punisher has beaten Bullseye somebody who has beaten BW

3. Im a fanboy......wow. Bullseye has also beaten punisher twice

The Punisher still loses.

Originally posted by godking
Bullseye has also beaten punisher twice

I dont know about that I think at least one of those fights was inconclusive but I find it strange that Punisher cant even deflect Bullseyes projectiles when hes been able to deflect DDs baton everytimes when hes had a gun in his hand. Hell hes even deflected Caps shield. Furthermore Black Widow hasnt beaten Bullseyes ever....as far as I know.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Punisher still loses.

Could you please give an explantion all you've said is that hes going to get stomped without providing any evidence. If you make a statement theres needs to be an explantion im not being unreasonable. If we say Wolverine can beat Hulk, we dont say Wolverine can beat Hulk and leave it at that we say hes agile enough to dodge his blows, take some of his blows and his claws are sharp aneough to do serious damage.

Furthermore Punisher gets Winter Soldier dead to rights..

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wait a minute isnt WS top tier?

Strange ftw.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know about that I think at least one of those fights was inconclusive but I find it strange that Punisher cant even deflect Bullseyes projectiles when hes been able to deflect DDs baton everytimes when hes had a gun in his hand. Hell hes even deflected Caps shield. Furthermore Black Widow hasnt beaten Bullseyes ever....as far as I know.



Could you please give an explantion all you've said is that hes going to get stomped without providing any evidence. If you make a statement theres needs to be an explantion im not being unreasonable. If we say Wolverine can beat Hulk, we dont say Wolverine can beat Hulk and leave it at that we say hes agile enough to dodge his blows, take some of his blows and his claws are sharp aneough to do serious damage.

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wait a minute isnt WS top tier?
he second tier...........punisher cheap shotted him and pulled out a gun against an unarmed man..........

not to mention punisher even states he get stomped by winter solder in h2h combat........sweet evidence

Wel, well , well what do we have here Winter Soldier fighting Black Widow and losing despite the fcat she has Caps shield.

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So lets recap.

1. Punsiher was beating Black Widow despite the fact she had the drop on him. Saying that Punisher would have got stomped is illogical. If a superior fighter cant stop themselves from being disarmed by an inferior fighter when they have the advantage that implies that shes not better at H2H.

2. Hes beaten Bullseyes in H2H whos beaten Black Widow.
3. He had Winter Soldier bang to rights. Winter Solider who beat BW despite the fcat she had Caps shield.

Somethig tells me my evidence is better then "BW would have stopmed her."

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he second tier...........punisher cheap shotted him


Right so that cheap shot incapicatated WS did it? The cheap shot wa so powerful that WS was helpless. The cheap shot didnt do anything to WS's performance.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

and pulled out a gun against an unarmed man..........

Yeah so what he gets a gun in this thread and BW gets her widow bite.


Originally posted by Battlehammer

not to mention punisher even states he get stomped by winter solder in h2h combat........sweet evidence

So what he still had WS dead to rights didnt he?

............yet frank by his own admission said winter solider would kick his ass..........then he cheap shots winter solider and gets his ass tossed........then he pulls a gun bacause he has no prayer in winning.............and this soem how helps franks side becuase?

if any thing it hurts him. Even with a cheap shot he got his ass kicked and had to resort to guns.........

Originally posted by Alfheim
Right so that cheap shot incapicatated WS did it? The cheap shot wa so powerful that WS was helpless. The cheap shot didnt do anything to WS's performance.



Yeah so what he gets a gun in this thread and BW gets her widow bite.




So what he still had WS dead to rights didnt he?

................your logic is flawed.

punisher would have gotten stomped in h2h combat verse winter solider.

He pulled a gun on a man that thought they would fist fight........then chepa shotted him and pulled a gun again..........like a pussy.

and still WS could have killed him just as easily as the other way around.........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
................your logic is flawed.

punisher would have gotten stomped in h2h combat verse winter solider.


I never said he wouldnt he still gets his gun in this thread. Get it?


Originally posted by Battlehammer

He pulled a gun on a man that thought they would fist fight........then chepa shotted him and pulled a gun again..........like a pussy.

Yeah a guy with a cybernetic arm.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

and still WS could have killed him just as easily as the other way around.........

Well the point is this. If hes fast enough to shot WS hes going to be fast enough to shoot Black Widow, not only that when Punisher fought BW he disarmed her widow bite.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I never said he wouldnt he still gets his gun in this thread. Get it?




Well the point is this. If hes fast enough to shot WS hes going to be fast enough to shoot Black Widow, not only that when Punisher fought BW he disarmed her widow bite.
yoru rediculous........


he fast enough to shoot ws........becuase? he pulled ut a gun like a cheap bastered.......and inch from his face.


if they had met eachother in a street both fully prepared for an all out gun fight, punisher would not be able to hit shit.

not to mention bucky not faster then black widow..........he actaully slower........


your reasoning is so flawed.

hell black widows showing against WS help her in this debate. Bucky actaully tried verse her and she did not even use guns like she normally does.

punisher with a cheap shot still got tossed like a joke.

not seeing how black widow fight with WS hurts her at all in this thread.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yoru rediculous........


he fast enough to shoot ws........becuase? he pulled ut a gun like a cheap bastered.......and inch from his face.

So what? Frank gets his gun in this thread!

Originally posted by Battlehammer

if they had met eachother in a street both fully prepared for an all out gun fight, punisher would not be able to hit shit.

So let me get this straight you just got punched in the face by a guy who shots people for a living you have the advantage in H2H and have a cybeneric armn...and theres noooo way this guy is going to pull a gun on you. WS wasnt fast enough.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

not to mention bucky not faster then black widow..........he actaully slower........

What despite the fcat that he beat her in H2H combat.


Originally posted by Battlehammer

your reasoning is so flawed.

hell black widows showing against WS help her in this debate. Bucky actaully tried verse her and she did not even use guns like she normally does.

You gonna forget she had Caps shield and she had her widow bite and it didnt work.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

punisher with a cheap shot still got tossed like a joke.

Er did you realise that WS tossed him but he still landed on his feet.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

not seeing how black widow fight with WS hurts her at all in this thread.

Despite the fcat she was using Caps shield as defence.

The Punisher straight up says that 'in a fight, 'd kill me,' and then uses a gun on an unarmed man, and STILL would have died.

Yeah 'dead to rights.' Okay.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know about that I think at least one of those fights was inconclusive but I find it strange that Punisher cant even deflect Bullseyes projectiles when hes been able to deflect DDs baton everytimes when hes had a gun in his hand. Hell hes even deflected Caps shield. Furthermore Black Widow hasnt beaten Bullseyes ever....as far as I know.



Could you please give an explantion all you've said is that hes going to get stomped without providing any evidence. If you make a statement theres needs to be an explantion im not being unreasonable. If we say Wolverine can beat Hulk, we dont say Wolverine can beat Hulk and leave it at that we say hes agile enough to dodge his blows, take some of his blows and his claws are sharp aneough to do serious damage.

Furthermore Punisher gets Winter Soldier dead to rights..

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wait a minute isnt WS top tier? Punsiher was beaten by a young Bullseye in Bullseyes greatest hits .

And he lost to Bullseye again in Punisher vs Bullseye though in that fight he did win the H2H part in that fight.

I ade a choice, finally.
I run with the Punisher.

Natalia is better fighter, she's metahuman.
But Frank is like the Batman of Marvel, he's tricky. And he's not afraid to kill. In fact, he always go for the kill. He's a hunter.

Even if she's meta, a bullet in the head would kill Natalia. It's happening that Frank is a ****ing good shooter.

Originally posted by Soljer


The Punisher straight up says that 'in a fight, 'd kill me,' and then uses a gun on an unarmed man, and STILL would have died.

Yeah 'dead to rights.' Okay.

Where does it state that Punisher doesnt get a gun in this thread? Why would he have still died? Oh I dunno he would have still died because WS would have broken his neck...oh I dunno lets forget the fcat that WS soldier decided to let go. I guess WS let go because hes a fluffy bunny not because he might have actually died or got hurt really bad before he could do anything.

Is this your same bull**** logic that used to say that BW would have stomped Punisher despite the fcat that she couldnt even stomp him when she got him by suprise.

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and your being silly as well. Where does it state in this thread that he doesnt have his gun.

Originally posted by godking
Punsiher was beaten by a young Bullseye in Bullseyes greatest hits .

And he lost to Bullseye again in Punisher vs Bullseye though in that fight he did win the H2H part in that fight.

Has BW ever beaten Bullseye..nope.

Widow 8/10

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Widow 8/10

Why?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Why?

Cause he isn't biased, nor does he like to stroke the Punisher.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cause he isn't biased, nor does he like to stroke the Punisher.

Whats wrong with you? You havnet even provided any proof that BW beats the Punisher. Again are you going to provide some proof instead of just talking? What proof have you given.

1. Shes going to stomp Frank in H2H. What so you mean to tell me that she far superior to him? Well ok if is shes so superior why cant she beat an inferior opponent shes got the drop on? What so she has the advanatge and she ended up getting a beating but despite this is going to stomp in H2H. Cant you see how illogical that is, it could be argued she could still win because the fight was inconclusive but a stomp is going overboard.

Lets have a look at another post. This is complete and utter rubbish.

Originally posted by Soljer


The Punisher straight up says that 'in a fight, 'd kill me,'

This is rubbish because just because somebody makes a statement doesnt mean its accurate. If Cap says Cable can kill him in combat then ends up beating him obvoulsy we can assume that what actually happened is more accurate than what was said. Punisher said that WS would kill him but in the end WS ended up backing down.


Originally posted by Soljer

and then uses a gun on an unarmed man,

Have you compeletly lost your mind. Your making out WS to be a civilian hes man with a superhuman strength cyubernetic arm. Furthermore thats even irrelevant Frank has guns in this thread and if hes fast enough to pull his gun on WS he should be able to pull it on BW.

Originally posted by Soljer

and STILL would have died.



How the hell do you know that? Wait, wait, wait, wait so WS was about to kill him but decides to back down. What so you don think the reason why he let go was beacuse there was a good chance he could have got his brains splattered. Wow, im not biased you are stop wasting my time and address my posts.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whats wrong with you? You havnet even provided any proof that BW beats the Punisher. Again are you going to provide some proof instead of just talking? What proof have you given.

1. Shes going to stomp Frank in H2H. What so you mean to tell me that she far superior to him? Well ok if is shes so superior why cant she beat an inferior opponent shes got the drop on? What so she has the advanatge and she ended up getting a beating but despite this is going to stomp in H2H. Cant you see how illogical that is, it could be argued she could still win because the fight was inconclusive but a stomp is going overboard.

Lets have a look at another post. This is complete and utter rubbish.



This is rubbish because just because somebody makes a statement doesnt mean its accurate. If Cap says Cable can kill him in combat then ends up beating him obvoulsy we can assume that what actually happened is more accurate than what was said. Punisher said that WS would kill him but in the end WS ended up backing down.




Have you compeletly lost your mind. Your making out WS to be a civilian hes man with a superhuman strength cyubernetic arm. Furthermore thats even irrelevant Frank has guns in this thread and if hes fast enough to pull his gun on WS he should be able to pull it on BW.



How the hell do you know that? Wait, wait, wait, wait so WS was about to kill him but decides to back down. What so you don think the reason why he let go was beacuse there was a good chance he could have got his brains splattered. Wow, im not biased you are stop wasting my time and address my posts. Dont be obtuse ANY of the experienced street level Meta's would hand Punisher his ass in H2H Guys like winter soldier or Captain America or Wolverine tear him a new ass in H2H . At best Frank gets a few shots in like the cheap shot against WS.

Which is why Frank will never get into a H2H fight against these guys if he can avoid it.

Originally posted by godking
Dont be obtuse ANY of the experienced street level Meta's would hand Punisher his ass in H2H Guys like winter soldier or Captain America or Wolverine tear him a new ass in H2H . At best Frank gets a few shots in like the cheap shot against WS.

Which is why Frank will never get into a H2H fight against these guys if he can avoid it.

What is this thread about? Its about BW its not about Cap, Wolverine its about BW and BW isnt as good as Cap or Wolverine. Please explain why BW beats Frank in H2H. Dont make a statements explain why BW would stomp Frank in H2H.

Hey Frank has beaten DD before and beaten the crap out of him in their last encounter. DD has actually only stomped DD in H2H twice, do you realise that?

Frank has:
Beaten DD in combat before
Could have beaten DD in their second encounter but turned his back on him
Gone H2H with DD and eventhough DD had the upperhand put up a good fight
Almost beat him in their last fight encounter. Beat DD up abdly and dislocated his arm.

Furthermore in one fight with Wolverine Frank had a good showing depite the fcat his leg was injured. So to be fair it really dependson whose writing Frank wether he will get his as handed to him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
DD has actually only stomped DD in H2H twice

That's actually a REALLY impressive agility feat for Daredevil...

Originally posted by Soljer
That's actually a REALLY impressive agility feat for Daredevil...

Are you going to give me a proper response or what?

Originally posted by Soljer
That's actually a REALLY impressive agility feat for Daredevil...


I when I read this.

Sorry alf, this was funny!!!!!!

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I when I read this.

Sorry alf, this was funny!!!!!!

Yeah but it was bull****. Thats right go and encourage him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you going to give me a proper response or what?

Why would I respond to that? You quoted Godking, my friend.

As they say; 'it's not my fight.'

*sigh*

*bump*

*bump*

.....this is lame. for one whoever phantom din't specify squat. so for all we know Black widow just came for confession and frank drops by with an M60. on the flipside, Black widow drops in while frank is screwing a nun.

so for f--k's sake specify if its a h2h, a gunfight, a knife fight or a blind date.

~Sado

i have no problem with A>B>C logic.
if bullseye beat widow and frank beat bullseye it makes a whole lot of sense who the better fighter is. ali beat foreman, foreman beat frazier. who is the greatest?
ali is.

and then there is this:
the hulk stomped wolverine. thor can go toe-to-toe with hulk. what is thor going to do to wolveirne?
he's gonna stomp him.

terry bogard beat geese howard. kyo kusanagi beat terry bogard. what is kyo going to do to geese howard?
he's gonna roast him.

i could do this all day.

Frank wins. better with guns, been doing it for a lot longer and has a hellova an imagination when it comes to maiming people.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
.....this is lame. for one whoever phantom din't specify squat. so for all we know Black widow just came for confession and frank drops by with an M60. on the flipside, Black widow drops in while frank is screwing a nun.

so for f--k's sake specify if its a h2h, a gunfight, a knife fight or a blind date.

~Sado

Bro why you flipping out for? If I havent specified it means that opponents have standard equipment.

Standard Equipment
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh yeah didnt Bullseye beat Black Widow, didnt Punisher beat Bullseye. Bullseye comprehensivelly beat Frank in Bullseye vs Punisher a young bullseye also had the advantage in bullseyes greatest hits

Originally posted by godking
Bullseye comprehensivelly beat Frank in Bullseye vs Punisher a young bullseye also had the advantage in bullseyes greatest hits

Not H2H. In H2H he lost and this inst Frank vs Bullseye its Punsiher vs BW.

I say Punisher takes this-my reasoning is simple.
Power starts with the letter 'P' as does Punisher.
Black Widows initials, BW, are the same as the initials for Big Wuss
Power will beat a Big Wuss, time and again.
Argue against that if you can.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Widow 8/10 No way in hell. Daredevil, whose almost always on the better side of his fights against Punisher would just about take 8/10 on Punisher. Black Widow's good, but she's not Daredevil good. Frankly, I only know Black Widow from later 90's-present in Avengers, Daredevil and random appearances and such. Can't say that I've read her when she used to be a regular in Daredevil. But from what I have seen, opponents generally have an easier time with her then with Punisher. Daredevil and Bullseye included.

A lot of you guys make it sound like she'd easily wreck him easily H2H. 1) Daredevil doesn't even have it easy with Punisher when it comes down to H2H; 2) getting Punisher to pure H2H isn't all that easy either.

5/10 split. Gonna call a split til I find some Black Widow respect thread or scrounge through some older comics.

Daredevil should never, ever have a hard time with Frank. Regardless, i'll give Widow 8/10.

people tend to forget how resourceful frank is. any guy who can turn the tide on wolverine after wolverine got the drop on him CANNOT be underestimated.

Frank f--ks her up. also why the hell is everyone making "Big Wuss" sound like she's batman or lady shiva? she's average at best. and she got her ass handed to her by DD ( ) time and time again. and wile DD beats Punisher, he seems to have a hard time doing it.

AND need i mention the time Frank dislocated both his arms and pwned him. he was losing but used his size advantage over DD to knock him off the building and dislocated both his shoulders. that counts as a win since DD was incapacitated. and don't forget that frank has ko'd DD with a punch on two occassions. once after setting off a sonar blast and then punching him in the face. the other time was a bit later where he just punched him again and KO'd him. and there is another thing: DD has NEVER ko'd frank. they also had another fight where DD got the drop on him and frnak incapacitated him with a surprise shot.
"the difference between our skill is obvious. but what really matters is not how much you can dish out but how much you can take!"

and lets not forget that frank knows how to fight dirty. Maybe (and that's a maybe) "Big Wuss" is more skilled but she can't fight dirty. frank is the better slugger.

and we have that against a stupid redhead whose 55kgs at best and has been playing flunkie to DD. and also got pwned by the man frank has beaten. sure.

oh and there was an issue where frank had to fight in a ring on several occasions back-to-back agains several opponents. everything was legal and they fought on planks over a ditch with spikes in it. frank beat everyone cuz of his resourceful nature and his dirty fighting. there is no way BW can hang with frank in an all-out brawl cuz she's been to busy brown nosing DD's selfrightous ass.

Frank wins. 8/10.

~Sado

Widow.

Originally posted by Sado22
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and lets not forget that frank knows how to fight dirty. Maybe (and that's a maybe) "Big Wuss" is more skilled but she can't fight dirty. frank is the better slugger.

~Sado
She can't fight dirty?

Your not a big Black widow reader are you? She fights dirty real dirty.

Not to mention Logan trained her and taught her to fight dirty and use anyway to gain an advantage.

she pretented to be hurt, cried and then when wolverine went to see if she was ok she punched him in the balls.

that extremely dirty.

so stop saying this and that about a character you clearly don't read.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
She can't fight dirty?

Your not a big Black widow reader are you? She fights dirty real dirty.

Not to mention Logan trained her and taught her to fight dirty and use anyway to gain an advantage.

she pretented to be hurt, cired and then when wolverine went to see if she was ok she punched him in the balls.

that extremely dirty.

so stop saying this and that about a character you clearly don't read. I would love to clean her off droolio

Originally posted by iceman24567
I would love to clean her off droolio
as would I.

Originally posted by Sado22
DD has NEVER ko'd frank. they also had another fight where DD got the drop on

I would not use DD has a good example of the reason why Frank wins. DD has kicked the shit out of Punisher repeatedly. In won arc DD beat Punisher like 4 times and badly if not mistaken.

Also Yes DD has KOed Frank

Originally posted by JasonK4
Black Widow

with a weapon, yes. not h2h.
if i count that then frank ko'd DD with the butt of a rifle once

also i never said frank can beat DD. i said he'll lose in an outright fight. and he says so himself. what i am saying, however, is that there is more to fighting than punchign and kicking. DD is honorable but frank has no problem fighting dirty. THAT is the difference between fighting and brawling. frank's a brawler. dd isn't. the same way BW isn't.
so with that, it won't be a stretch to say the frank would throw dust in BW's eyes and smack her down with a killer right. and don't forget that frank Ko'd DD with a right. twice. so sure as hell can do the same to some redhead flunkie with a tightass.

oh and should be mentioned that the one time frank did beat DD it wasn't a dirty tactic as it was a presence of mind. since DD was beating the crap out of him he just tackled him off the balcony and on to the ground dislocating his shoulders. pretty fair and don't forget that DD was pretty pissedoff with him at the time so he was pretty much in the mood for hurting him.

Frank wins. and screws BW afterwords.

~Sado

Originally posted by tkitna
Daredevil should never, ever have a hard time with Frank. Regardless, i'll give Widow 8/10.

Not true. Frank has beaten him more than once, and some of the times DD has won is due to cirumstances, even if DD wins it should be a tough fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I would not use DD has a good example of the reason why Frank wins. DD has kicked the shit out of Punisher repeatedly. In won arc DD beat Punisher like 4 times and badly if not mistaken.

Also Yes DD has KOed Frank

Yeah and Frank has beaten DD more than once. . The arc you are talking about ends with a near stalemate in which DD ended up with a dislocated arm and a bust up face.

Oh and the reason why Frank got KOed is because he wasnt even paying attention to DD he was trying to save sombodies life.



Originally posted by Battlehammer


Again with the crap issue of Punisher written by ennis. What a surprise that the most PIS bullshit issue si the one time Punisher defeats DD lol.



*sigh* Frank has beaten DD before prior to Einnis anyway, so the fact that Frank beat DD in Einnis dont mean a damn thing. Oh and Frank is beating up BW despite the fact she got the drop on him. *sigh*

Punisher gets decapitated Sailor Moon-style.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and Frank has beaten DD more than once. . The arc you are talking about ends with a near stalemate in which DD ended up with a dislocated arm and a bust up face.
Key word near. And through the arc the to fought and Punisher always was on the losing end.

QUOTE=10252182]Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh and the reason why Frank got KOed is because he wasnt even paying attention to DD he was trying to save sombodies life.
Point? He said DD never KOed Punisher and I posted a scan of him doing so.

Also the guy Punisher was running to was the man Punisher shot, because he wanted DD to badly.

The entire fight he was being stomped too.




Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* Frank has beaten DD before prior to Einnis anyway, so the fact that Frank beat DD in Einnis dont mean a damn thing.
I never minded that part for the simple reasons it could happen. Though it was complete utter luck that it worked out for Punisher.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh and Frank is beating up BW despite the fact she got the drop on him. *sigh*
Got the drop on him? Punisher fired at her first. She shot back. Punisher looked down to shoot her and the man she was protecting. She was not there. Then before Punisher was able to fire Widow kicked his gun. They skirmished neither landing a hit. So please tell me how you came to the conclusion that Punisher was winning?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Key word near. And through the arc the to fought and Punisher always was on the losing end.

Lol so if he can nearly beat DD, whats he going to do to BW?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Point? He said DD never KOed Punisher and I posted a scan of him doing so.

Also the guy Punisher was running to was the man Punisher shot, because he wanted DD to badly.


LOL how many times has Punisher shot people by accident? Er thats probably the only time.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

The entire fight he was being stomped too.

Not entirely true but DD was doing better.


Originally posted by Battlehammer


I never minded that part for the simple reasons it could happen. Though it was complete utter luck that it worked out for Punisher.


Im not refering Einnis , it wasnt luck at all. In their second encounter Punisher could have shot him again.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Got the drop on him? Punisher fired at her first. She shot back. Punisher looked down to shoot her and the man she was protecting. She was not there. Then before Punisher was able to fire Widow kicked his gun. They skirmished neither landing a hit. So please tell me how you came to the conclusion that Punisher was winning?

Here...thats is getting the drop on somebody.

http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=widow28jr.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yea and what do you call trying to shoot some one unaware ?

*shrug* brilliant.
You amuse me.

You say punisher won the fight even though he never landed a hit.


You also said he was ambushed. Funny thing is he was the first one to attack by fireing at BW.

Also when Black Widow brought the fight to him, you act as if Punisher was caught so unaware, like BW jsut attacked him out of no were when in reality he was the first to strike.

Also she hit the gun not him, which gave him ample time to square off. Also she was toying with him.

Look I cant be bothered just go round and round in circles. Waste of time.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look I cant be bothered just go round and round in circles. Waste of time.

Lol

I still can't believe that you think that shows punsher winning I might have to make a thread asking others what they think happen in thoses scanns, becauses what you said and what happen in the scanns are not even close.

battlehammer.....please get over the fact that we don't have a mancrush on wolverine like you and don't think he can heal the sick, turn water to wine, can walk on the water and sacrificed his healing factor for the sins of humanity. grow up. already.


yea, battlehammer is wasting our time again with his pointless discoveries. i dont care wht DD said or did. the one thing we do know is that frnak could have killed DD on several occasions but didn't since he doesn't kill goodguys. nuff said.


....yadda yadda...pointless facts....yadda yadda...


okay so she fights dirty. look where it got her with DD. she lost like everytime. frank beat DD. nuff said.


gee, i didn't know BW is in her late 50's


the punisher volume4.


..................yes.


your kidding right? are you going to get into a scientific pointless and utterly baseless discussion on the fact that just cuz frank ko'd a physically superior fighter with a blow he can't do it to one who is not only the inferior fighter but also hsa the inferior physicque?
you're a joke.


copout


to you dirty is "crying and punching logan in the crotch".
to me its escaping with the person and then shooting him in the balls with an uzi and leaving him there so that the badguy are distracted long enough for you to kill them off with machine guns and grenades.

~Sado

first of all learn to spell.
with that out of the way, you show your face in every punisher thread and rage on him like a jackass. all because you can't take the fact that punisher has beaten logan. grow up, son.


and yet half of the members at KMC forum seem to ask you just that. in fact i've heard about what kinda moron you are all the way at videogame versus threads. apparently "some jackass" believes that wolverine can beat Kenshiro

and like i said before, stop being such a fangirl. punisher had DD with both his arms dislocated at one point in h2h, had downed him with a blow of his rifle the other time AND one time dropped him with a sound blast. all these times he could have killed him which is exactly my point. they fought over 5 times and 3 times Frank downed him and could have killed him if he wanted. nuff said.


stop your yammering, son.
you might want to read over what you typed again. what matters is who is standing. Frank was. not DD. nuff said.
so far everyone in this thread has been saying that BW always lost to DD. Frank beat DD. still want to continue this cuz like always you're just wasting everyone's time.
and i have no problem admitting things if i'm proven wrong. YOU do.


my heart weeps


my bad then. it was volume3, issue 3.


DD doesn't look physically superior to you, jokeboy.
look man don't waste everyone's time. while i've been providing backup for everything i've said all you've been doing is all the things that make you a joke on KMC:
-you know practicaly squat about punisher
-don't know any of the issues people are talking about
-apparently haven't read them even
-don't even read your own posts and the scans you post which always seem to support the person you're debating with instead of your dumbass.
-and all evidence used against logan is pis or the writer doesne't know what he's talking about.

just grow up.
just shut up.

and like i said before, Kenshiro will maul Wolverine.

~Sado

ABC logic sucks for 1. Ok, so Bullseye beat Widow and Punisher beat Bullseye, so that means Punisher beats widow? If thats the case, Punisher beats Elektra, and can fight her and DD at the same time.

Secondly, i dont know why Daredevil fights with Widow and Punisher are being compared. Matt and Tasha were a couple, in love and lovers. DD would never actually try to hurt widow. Same when he fights/spar with Elektra. There are lots of times DD toys with Punisher. Its been said how Punisher doesnt want to kill DD cause hes a hero. Ok, fine. However Punisher is still willing to put a bullet in DD as hes done so before. Hell, Punisher even got tranqs for DD and was still getting served. Am i saying that Punisher never beat DD? Not at all. However its always clear that DD has the advantage over Punisher in most fights and chooses not to seriously hurt him in anyway. Plus DD's won more times than not against Punisher.

As far as Widow goes, all fights with her and DD cant really be gauged because of their relationship. If im not mistaken, when she fought DD, she was under mind control. I could be wrong though. How many times did they fight? 2 or 3? If we're willing to call Punisher shooting DD a win, then we may as well give one to Widow too.

Widow has Punisher beat in speed, agility and h2h skill/ma's. Im not saying that Punisher doesnt beat Widow at all. Im just saying that Widow takes a majority.

Originally posted by Sado22
first of all learn to spell.
with that out of the way, you show your face in every punisher thread and rage on him like a jackass. all because you can't take the fact that punisher has beaten logan. grow up, son.


and yet half of the members at KMC forum seem to ask you just that. in fact i've heard about what kinda moron you are all the way at videogame versus threads. apparently "some jackass" believes that wolverine can beat Kenshiro

and like i said before, stop being such a fangirl. punisher had DD with both his arms dislocated at one point in h2h, had downed him with a blow of his rifle the other time AND one time dropped him with a sound blast. all these times he could have killed him which is exactly my point. they fought over 5 times and 3 times Frank downed him and could have killed him if he wanted. nuff said.


stop your yammering, son.
you might want to read over what you typed again. what matters is who is standing. Frank was. not DD. nuff said.
so far everyone in this thread has been saying that BW always lost to DD. Frank beat DD. still want to continue this cuz like always you're just wasting everyone's time.
and i have no problem admitting things if i'm proven wrong. YOU do.


my heart weeps


my bad then. it was volume3, issue 3.


DD doesn't look physically superior to you, jokeboy.
look man don't waste everyone's time. while i've been providing backup for everything i've said all you've been doing is all the things that make you a joke on KMC:
-you know practicaly squat about punisher
-don't know any of the issues people are talking about
-apparently haven't read them even
-don't even read your own posts and the scans you post which always seem to support the person you're debating with instead of your dumbass.
-and all evidence used against logan is pis or the writer doesne't know what he's talking about.

just grow up.
just shut up.

and like i said before, Kenshiro will maul Wolverine.

~Sado True Kenshiro would destroy wolverine anyone who says differently does not know what kenshiro is capable of .

Logan would have trouble with Amiba or Jagi let alone kenshiro.

What Fist of The North Star Kenshiro? Against Wolverine? Spite.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What Fist of The North Star Kenshiro? Against Wolverine? Spite. pretty big spite Kenshiro would destroy wolverine within 5 minutes.

Why the hell are people talking about Kenshiro vs Wolverine-this is a Punisher v Black Widow thread-get back to the subject!

frank's h2h skills are pretty underrated. he's not as good as DD or Captain America but he's pretty damn good. and he's especially good at taking hits. i'm pretty sure BW can't hit as hard as the Russian did. and frank beat him. in fact he killed him. also if this is a MA fight, then yeah, BW would win.
but its a fight to the death, rest assured frank has great resourcefulness and dirty tactics. i've already brought up him defeating DD on one occassion in a fair h2h fight. with his resourcefulness he's beaten wolverine as well (even though logan got the drop on him).

the thread seems to suggest a fight and not a sparring contest. that's why i give the majority to Frank. and with frank beating two men that she couldn't does seem to suggest that he's better. and then there is the logan bit.


frank never shot DD. he did it once in ultimate but that doesn't matter. other than that he's always gone h2h with him instead. he uses his gun as a hitting weapon instead.
again, i'm saying that DD is the better fighter. i've read every comic that came out for the punisher since volume1 (the only thing i've haven't read yet is Punisher MAX and haven't been able to get my hand on the second war journal). the two have gone at it several times but never to a decisive conclusion. most of the time DD attacks a distracted frank, a wounded frank......and always a frank who doesn't want to kill him. the one time frank and DD slugged it out till the end was in Punisher volume4. and frank won it. so i think that holds. but stll, i do concede the fact that DD is the better fighter.


doesn't that really mean that its even worse for widow considering she's losing to someone who is holding back? and frank never shot DD....not that i remember everything but i remember him not shooting. and rest assured he wasn't shooting to kill.


in a spar, yes. in a fight, i doubt it. but i'm willing to concede that i've been underestimating BW. i'll bring it down to 6/10 for Frank on the count of better showings in fights against fast fighters, bigger fighters, stronger fighters, mutant fighters and overall just plain better fighters like Logan, DD and Russian.


hell yes!

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
frank's h2h skills are pretty underrated. he's not as good as DD or Captain America but he's pretty damn good. and he's especially good at taking hits. i'm pretty sure BW can't hit as hard as the Russian did. and frank beat him. in fact he killed him. also if this is a MA fight, then yeah, BW would win.
but its a fight to the death, rest assured frank has great resourcefulness and dirty tactics. i've already brought up him defeating DD on one occassion in a fair h2h fight. with his resourcefulness he's beaten wolverine as well (even though logan got the drop on him).

the thread seems to suggest a fight and not a sparring contest. that's why i give the majority to Frank. and with frank beating two men that she couldn't does seem to suggest that he's better. and then there is the logan bit.

True, Castles h2h skills are underrated, but i dont think they are being underrated here. Im sure everyone knows(whether they like Pun or not) that hes one of the best at taking hits and pain. As far as street lvl'ers go, hes probably top. Not argument there. Now as far as him taking hits from the Russian and saying that Tasha doesnt hit as hard as him may be a fact. Although that may be a fact, strength in punches doesnt really always apply for martial artists. They can use moves that are effective, yet dont require much force to apply. In a fight to the death its still ahrd to say whod win because they both can use deadly tactics. Thing is, Punisher usually does use deadly tactics(when dealing with thugs mostly) and hed be more comfortable with using them.

Yea, this is a fight, but it hasnt been stated what the conditions are here. Whats Punishers normal carrying weapons? Whats he have for this fight? Does Widow get any weapons? Ultimately it just may come down to h2h considering Pun may have a hard time tagging her or he runs out of ammo.

Originally posted by Sado22
frank never shot DD. he did it once in ultimate but that doesn't matter. other than that he's always gone h2h with him instead. he uses his gun as a hitting weapon instead.
again, i'm saying that DD is the better fighter. i've read every comic that came out for the punisher since volume1 (the only thing i've haven't read yet is Punisher MAX and haven't been able to get my hand on the second war journal). the two have gone at it several times but never to a decisive conclusion. most of the time DD attacks a distracted frank, a wounded frank......and always a frank who doesn't want to kill him. the one time frank and DD slugged it out till the end was in Punisher volume4. and frank won it. so i think that holds. but stll, i do concede the fact that DD is the better fighter.

Frank shot DD before and it wasnt ultimate. True it was a tranq, but DD was sot nonetheless. Punisher hasnt always went 2h2 with DD. 9/10 it starts off with Punisher shooting and missing. Are far as DD attacking Frank while hes distracted or wounded, isnt true. The scuffles not being decisive is partly true. Sometimes they arent, but its usually clear who was dominating the fight. True Frank doesnt want to kill him, but DD usually doesnt try to seriously injure Frank. It works both ways.

Originally posted by Sado22
doesn't that really mean that its even worse for widow considering she's losing to someone who is holding back? and frank never shot DD....not that i remember everything but i remember him not shooting. and rest assured he wasn't shooting to kill.

Not really. DD holds back when he fights Punisher too. Difference is, Frank is never mind controlled. As far as the shooting goes, like i mentioned above it happed, but it was a tranq. As far as shooting to kill, its happened. It was stated by Punisher. Frank was just missing.

Originally posted by Sado22
in a spar, yes. in a fight, i doubt it. but i'm willing to concede that i've been underestimating BW. i'll bring it down to 6/10 for Frank on the count of better showings in fights against fast fighters, bigger fighters, stronger fighters, mutant fighters and overall just plain better fighters like Logan, DD and Russian.

To concede that youve been underestimating Widow is big of you. That doesnt happen much here on this forum, lol. In a whole, Punisher does have the better showings, but Tasha has some nice ones as well. I cant be mad at a Punisher win 6/10. I just give Widow the edge because if Pun cant tag her, eventually shed close the gap or hed run out of bullets.

Bah 5/5.

agreed.


i know and that is exactly my point when i first got here. we dont know what each is carrying so best bet would be that frank carries his usual:
- a 45
-an uzi
-knives
-throwing knives
-grenades
-and assault rifle (m60 or m16 with grenade launcher)

and tasha carries whatever she usually carries.


when was this? i can't seem to remember him shooting him with a tranq. the only issues of Punisher i haven't read are warjournal2 and MAX. was it these ones? oh and i still haven't finished volume5.

as for their scuffles, yeah, DD always dominates. and i even conceded that DD is the better fighter. however, what does make a difference is that the only one time they fought to the finish was ALSO DD dominating but winded up losing. that is my point. i also conceded that BW is the better fighter. i'm just saying that with Frank it is always a lot more about taking hits and presence of mind that MA skills.

and yes, i agree, it DOES work both ways.


no offense dude, but i would rather you tell me which issue it is. what was happening then? was frank pissed? cuz even as late as Volume4 DareDevil was mentioning to spidey how "castle would never try to kill us. hurt us, break us...but he won't kill us. he doesn't kill the good guys."
once again, no offense intended.

as for DD holding back, true, but then Frank holds back since his full potential is when he's willing to kill. i get what you mean though.


thanks, lol. i've just come here recently and i noticed how much people are defensive of their fav characters. i'd also thank you for keeping it cool around here. people blow off their top a lot around here. and i'm cool with a 5/5 too

~Sado

Originally posted by jrodslam
ABC logic sucks for 1. Ok, so Bullseye beat Widow and Punisher beat Bullseye, so that means Punisher beats widow? If thats the case, Punisher beats Elektra, and can fight her and DD at the same time.

Secondly, i dont know why Daredevil fights with Widow and Punisher are being compared. Matt and Tasha were a couple, in love and lovers. DD would never actually try to hurt widow. Same when he fights/spar with Elektra. There are lots of times DD toys with Punisher. Its been said how Punisher doesnt want to kill DD cause hes a hero. Ok, fine. However Punisher is still willing to put a bullet in DD as hes done so before. Hell, Punisher even got tranqs for DD and was still getting served. Am i saying that Punisher never beat DD? Not at all. However its always clear that DD has the advantage over Punisher in most fights and chooses not to seriously hurt him in anyway. Plus DD's won more times than not against Punisher.

As far as Widow goes, all fights with her and DD cant really be gauged because of their relationship. If im not mistaken, when she fought DD, she was under mind control. I could be wrong though. How many times did they fight? 2 or 3? If we're willing to call Punisher shooting DD a win, then we may as well give one to Widow too.

Its not ABC logic when Punsiher has beaten TWO people that BW has lost to.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Widow has Punisher beat in speed, agility and h2h skill/ma's. Im not saying that Punisher doesnt beat Widow at all. Im just saying that Widow takes a majority.

how on earth is she winning the majority when Frank has beaten two people that she has lost to and is beating her up in the scans provided despite the fact that she got the drop on him?


Originally posted by jrodslam


Yea, this is a fight, but it hasnt been stated what the conditions are here. Whats Punishers normal carrying weapons? Whats he have for this fight? Does Widow get any weapons? Ultimately it just may come down to h2h considering Pun may have a hard time tagging her or he runs out of ammo.

This is why I get annoyed sometimes people dont read. The conditions have already been stated and the rules state that if nothing is specified its standarad equipment.


Originally posted by jrodslam


To concede that youve been underestimating Widow is big of you. That doesnt happen much here on this forum, lol. In a whole, Punisher does have the better showings, but Tasha has some nice ones as well. I cant be mad at a Punisher win 6/10. I just give Widow the edge because if Pun cant tag her, eventually shed close the gap or hed run out of bullets.

Bah 5/5.

I could argue thats ABC logic like you're arguing. She may have better showings buts shes still losing her fight with Frank. Did you see the scans? I can however settle for a 5/5. I think however because hes beaten two people she has lost to and is winning in the scans I think 6/10 is better.

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Black Widow
Originally posted by Soljer
Indeed.
Originally posted by guy222
black widow
Originally posted by Ha-Son
Black Widow
Originally posted by SmurphSmash!

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Black Widow
Originally posted by Battlehammer
black widow for sure
Originally posted by jrodslam
Black Widow for the win.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Widow 8/10
Originally posted by tkitna
Regardless, i'll give Widow 8/10.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Widow.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Punisher gets decapitated Sailor Moon-style.

Originally posted by Soljer


Post of the year.

Glad to hear you're so ready to agree.

Now we can let this dumb-ass thread die peacefully. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Glad to hear you're so ready to agree.

Now we can let this dumb-ass thread die peacefully. .

cry

phantom, please don't shoot yourself in the crotch like that again.

Originally posted by tkitna
Daredevil should never, ever have a hard time with Frank. Regardless, i'll give Widow 8/10. You REALLY need to read pretty much every single Punisher vs Daredevil fight then. Go look up "Punisher" and "Daredevil" in the search function for a thread regarding their history. Nearly all of them come down to H2H, and historically speaking, Punisher gives as good as he gets. There's only been one single fight I can remember where Daredevil dispatched Punisher easily: Daredevil #65.

I still haven't seen anything impressive from Black Widow in all my researching. I've seen Punisher fight bigger, badder and more skilled. But I'll refrain from Daredevil >=< Punisher > Black Widow logic. Yes, Daredevil has schooled Black Widow... and horribly... but I'll chalk that up to them being partners and Daredevil knowing her inside out from fighting alongside her so often, whereas he has no such benefit with regards to the Punisher.

5/10 split either way.

Bumping this 'cause they will be fighting soon.

Frank should take this.

Working scans:

Originally posted by Deadline
Punisher vs.

Punisher vs. Black Widow
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They're going to fight soon? In that case BW. Avengers have been winning everything ever since the movie came out.

Originally posted by SamZED
They're going to fight soon? In that case BW. Avengers have been winning everything ever since the movie came out.

You didn't read War Zone #1? Steve sent her after Frank.

I doubt it. Spider-Man and Widow are just a warm-up before Black&Gold Iron Man and Thor

Natasha's been pwned by drugged Daredevil in a few panels, Castle gives Matt hell every time they meet.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You didn't read War Zone #1? Steve sent her after Frank.

I doubt it. Spider-Man and Widow are just a warm-up before Black&Gold Iron Man and Thor

Natasha's been pwned by drugged Daredevil in a few panels, Castle gives Matt hell every time they meet. You think he needs a warm-up to beat current Thor?

Didnt get to it yet, only seen the scans. What does Steve want with Punisher?

Natasha stalemated Elektra, that's easily as impressive. Then tgere's that fight with Magik. Jokes aside I do believe that Frank should take the majority.

Originally posted by SamZED
You think he needs a warm-up to beat current Thor?

My bad, he doesn't

From what I heard here though, Aaron wrote a good Thor issue recently. Pangs of conscience perhaps?

Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt get to it yet, only seen the scans. Why does Steve want with Punisher?

I read it just recently, pretty good issue.

*spoilers warning*

That's the best part of the book. Even you should stop liking Spider-Man at this point. All bruised, beaten and butthurt Spidey called an Avengers meeting and complained about the Punisher, how they should bring him in (emphasizing that just sending him to a prison doesn't work), etc. Everyone but Steve ignored him, Wolverine mocked him when he saw him missing glove and webshooter.

You'd need to read at least a few recent Punisher issues to get the big picture, but long story short, Punisher's new partner shot a cop by an accident and NYPD didn't like that one bit.

Originally posted by SamZED
Natasha stalemated Elektra, that's easily as impressive. Then tgere's that fight with Magik. Jokes aside I do believe that Frank should take the majority.

Yeah, but she did that just once. Great showing nonetheless, I admit.

Forgot about that Yeah, the movie success definitely had a big influence on AvX fights...

Ugh.. I hate it when years of character development go down the toilet. Pete and Frank were never
Much of friends but they helped one another on seperate occasions and I like to think Pete doesnt see him as just another murdering scumbag. Thats not right. Now
Im definitely going to read it though. Wanna see Wolvie mock Pete. Always fun to watch. Have you read the recent x-man issue? The one where Kitty was looking for a new teacher?

He's angered that Castle used his webbing (something he invented helping in his murdering spree is unacceptable for Peter) and is not sure whether he's guilty or not (for killing cops).

Wolverine and the X-Men? No, I need to catch up on this series. But I have seen some previews with Blade and GR running for a teacher position and Husk leaving. What happened exactly?

First of all, regarding the ABC stuff, BW wasn't ready for Bullseye and had never fought him before and I would discount any DD fights as serious. In their last encounter that I can think of in DD vs. Punisher. Frank basically gave up and let DD beat his brains out because he knew he couldn't beat him.

Consider that Natasha has at least 35 years of combat and firearms experience on Frank. She's physically enhanced with super soldier formulas and had people like Wolverine as teachers.
Frank's normal and in good shape but old. Natasha is pushing 90 with the body of 30 year old. I'd give this one to the widow.

Actually, I think Frank's body's been deaged somewhat?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Actually, I think Frank's body's been deaged somewhat?



Yes, he's been officially rejuvenated.

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In the Ennis fight, Frank wasn't fighting back because he didn't really need to, he had Matt right where he wanted and owned him with sonics. That wasn't their last fight under that writer, either - Frank later owned Murdock again by tackling him through the window. Daredevil looked much better then, true, but Castle still prevailed.

And it's important to note that those aren't their only encounters. In Punisher's last book (by Rucka) there was a flashback of the old story of them fighting on the roof. They were pretty even, iirc.

Widow attacked handicapped Daredevil, he blocked her kick and beat her in one panel.

Very close fight, Im going with The Punisher more than not to beat BW.

I've just seen the preview of the War Zone #2. F*cking insane. I hope the rest of the issue will be just as good, it comes out today.

Thor's next

Black Widow ain't no Daredevil. She goes down for a high majority.

Originally posted by Deadline
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Punisher vs Black Widow fight takes place in some church at night.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I've just seen the preview of the War Zone #2. F*cking insane. I hope the rest of the issue will be just as good, it comes out today.

Thor's next Just read it.