Time to wake up and evolve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q&mode=related&search=

what ive been tryin to say to people for ages

Right now, consciously and subconsciously, increasingly vast numbers of people are instinctively feeling that something's not right in this world. They might not be able to articulate in detail what it is. They just have that faint but nagging feeling that something's not right about what's going on in the world. And the spark that will set that afire is the INFORMATION to explain what IS going on. And when people have access to that INFORMATION -- suddenly, what seemed to be a bewildering, complex, "what's-going-on?" kind of world, becomes perfectly understandable. To understand what is happening, you have to understand what those in power are trying to achieve. If you don't know that, then you have a co-ordinate missing that is fundamental to understanding. If you suffer from terminal naivity and believe that governments are there to somehow serve the people and do what's right for the country, then you'll look around at what's happening in the world and say things like: "this government is just stupid, they're incompetent, what they're doing is crazy". But when you realise that the goal is NOT to serve the people or the country, it is to serve a continuing agenda for global centralization of power and control, then you realise that what's happening in the world is actually GENIUS and not stupidity - because the outcome is exactly what it's meant to achieve.

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q&mode=related&search=

what ive been tryin to say to people for ages

Right now, consciously and subconsciously, increasingly vast numbers of people are instinctively feeling that something's not right in this world. They might not be able to articulate in detail what it is. They just have that faint but nagging feeling that something's not right about what's going on in the world. And the spark that will set that afire is the INFORMATION to explain what IS going on. And when people have access to that INFORMATION -- suddenly, what seemed to be a bewildering, complex, "what's-going-on?" kind of world, becomes perfectly understandable. To understand what is happening, you have to understand what those in power are trying to achieve. If you don't know that, then you have a co-ordinate missing that is fundamental to understanding. If you suffer from terminal naivity and believe that governments are there to somehow serve the people and do what's right for the country, then you'll look around at what's happening in the world and say things like: "this government is just stupid, they're incompetent, what they're doing is crazy". But when you realise that the goal is NOT to serve the people or the country, it is to serve a continuing agenda for global centralization of power and control, then you realise that what's happening in the world is actually GENIUS and not stupidity - because the outcome is exactly what it's meant to achieve.

Is this in the wrong forum?

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q&mode=related&search=

what ive been tryin to say to people for ages

Right now, consciously and subconsciously, increasingly vast numbers of people are instinctively feeling that something's not right in this world. They might not be able to articulate in detail what it is. They just have that faint but nagging feeling that something's not right about what's going on in the world. And the spark that will set that afire is the INFORMATION to explain what IS going on. And when people have access to that INFORMATION -- suddenly, what seemed to be a bewildering, complex, "what's-going-on?" kind of world, becomes perfectly understandable. To understand what is happening, you have to understand what those in power are trying to achieve. If you don't know that, then you have a co-ordinate missing that is fundamental to understanding. If you suffer from terminal naivity and believe that governments are there to somehow serve the people and do what's right for the country, then you'll look around at what's happening in the world and say things like: "this government is just stupid, they're incompetent, what they're doing is crazy". But when you realise that the goal is NOT to serve the people or the country, it is to serve a continuing agenda for global centralization of power and control, then you realise that what's happening in the world is actually GENIUS and not stupidity - because the outcome is exactly what it's meant to achieve.

You and your conspiracies. 🙄

People high in power are almost always corrupt and will do nothing but try to attain more power. They will commit actions at the expense of numerous unnamed people without care.

This is nothing new

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q&mode=related&search=

what ive been tryin to say to people for ages

Right now, consciously and subconsciously, increasingly vast numbers of people are instinctively feeling that something's not right in this world. They might not be able to articulate in detail what it is. They just have that faint but nagging feeling that something's not right about what's going on in the world. And the spark that will set that afire is the INFORMATION to explain what IS going on. And when people have access to that INFORMATION -- suddenly, what seemed to be a bewildering, complex, "what's-going-on?" kind of world, becomes perfectly understandable. To understand what is happening, you have to understand what those in power are trying to achieve. If you don't know that, then you have a co-ordinate missing that is fundamental to understanding. If you suffer from terminal naivity and believe that governments are there to somehow serve the people and do what's right for the country, then you'll look around at what's happening in the world and say things like: "this government is just stupid, they're incompetent, what they're doing is crazy". But when you realise that the goal is NOT to serve the people or the country, it is to serve a continuing agenda for global centralization of power and control, then you realise that what's happening in the world is actually GENIUS and not stupidity - because the outcome is exactly what it's meant to achieve.

They want money.

The video doesn't have much to do with governments, just the mythological origins of Christianity, which are beat into the ground on numerous threads in this forum.

Some of the myth-connections are either false or selectively interpreted to help debunk Christianity. Many are true, however, and once you realize that there's too many to discount it becomes irrelevant if one or two savior myths don't coincide closely enough to debunk it alone.

http://www.lightworksav.com/
Lightworks audio/video sells videos that are much more detailed than the youtube video he posted (also more credible). This one in particular.

Cool video, I already knew most of those and I believe that those almost identical stories (to Christ) of all those cultures were actually predicting Jesus.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Cool video, I already knew most of those and I believe that those almost identical stories (to Christ) of all those cultures were actually predicting Jesus.

Wait wait. You're aware of all of that and still think Christianity is valid? You know most of those predated Jesus by centuries, right? And that there are legit reasons for the beliefs coming about that have nothing to do with a spiritual "prediction" but are tied to the cycles of the seasons and naturally occuring events. And that there's no more factually justification for Christianity than any of these others. Right?

That's some impressively irrational justification, bud.

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q&mode=related&search=

what ive been tryin to say to people for ages

Right now, consciously and subconsciously, increasingly vast numbers of people are instinctively feeling that something's not right in this world. They might not be able to articulate in detail what it is. They just have that faint but nagging feeling that something's not right about what's going on in the world. And the spark that will set that afire is the INFORMATION to explain what IS going on. And when people have access to that INFORMATION -- suddenly, what seemed to be a bewildering, complex, "what's-going-on?" kind of world, becomes perfectly understandable. To understand what is happening, you have to understand what those in power are trying to achieve. If you don't know that, then you have a co-ordinate missing that is fundamental to understanding. If you suffer from terminal naivity and believe that governments are there to somehow serve the people and do what's right for the country, then you'll look around at what's happening in the world and say things like: "this government is just stupid, they're incompetent, what they're doing is crazy". But when you realise that the goal is NOT to serve the people or the country, it is to serve a continuing agenda for global centralization of power and control, then you realise that what's happening in the world is actually GENIUS and not stupidity - because the outcome is exactly what it's meant to achieve.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Get the **** out of my forum.

...he says on a privately owned, public forum.

🙄

How does the fact Christianity borrowed ideas from older religions disprove it?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
How does the fact Christianity borrowed ideas from older religions disprove it?

Because it proves that it is nothing more then fiction.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wait wait. You're aware of all of that and still think Christianity is valid? You know most of those predated Jesus by centuries, right? And that there are legit reasons for the beliefs coming about that have nothing to do with a spiritual "prediction" but are tied to the cycles of the seasons and naturally occuring events. And that there's no more factually justification for Christianity than any of these others. Right?

That's some impressively irrational justification, bud.

You know, you could've saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying that religion sucks.

Originally posted by grey fox
Because it proves that it is nothing more then fiction.

No it doesn't. And why did Christianity "borrow" from anceint polytheistic religions? Perhaps all those were counting down to Jesus.

You know, you could've saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying that religion sucks.

No it doesn't. And why did Christianity "borrow" from anceint polytheistic religions? Perhaps all those were counting down to Jesus

Full video http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

I already knew about the pagan stories about the sun, the stars, the moon and all that. To me, it just made sense.

NOW I HAVE PROOF! 😄

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...he says on a privately owned, public forum.

🙄

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
How does the fact Christianity borrowed ideas from older religions disprove it?

If someone claims to have seen anthropomorphic bears, snuck into their house and ate their porrage...

...then you find a copy of Goldilocks and the Three Bears in their bookself, are you really going to believe their story, regardless of how sincere they sound?

Same principle. Ah, but the storybook was a prediction of the true event that followed! Right.

🙄

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You know, you could've saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying that religion sucks.

Ascribing moral characteristics to abstract ideas like religion shifts the blame. It's usually people that are stupid, not religions.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No it doesn't. And why did Christianity "borrow" from anceint polytheistic religions? Perhaps all those were counting down to Jesus.

😐

{see Goldilocks story first}

...this is where I find it difficult to debate with someone, not because there aren't logical answers to your questions, but because I realize that it's fruitless to argue with someone who is so entrenched in a particular belief that they'll do whatever is necessary to feel like they're justified. Even if that includes shunting aside their reason for rationalizations that can only be described as insanely improbable.

Because it proves that it is nothing more then fiction.

No. It proves the people who made the religion weren't idiots.

If someone claims to have seen anthropomorphic bears, snuck into their house and ate their porrage...

...then you find a copy of Goldilocks and the Three Bears in their bookself, are you really going to believe their story, regardless of how sincere they sound?

Same principle. Ah, but the storybook was a prediction of the true event that followed! Right.

Not every aspect of Christianity mirrors these older religion's beliefs. Several of the core ideals the Church teaches are radically different. Plus there's actual evidence there was a Jesus Christ unlike most of the other gods listed in the video.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Not every aspect of Christianity mirrors these older religion's beliefs. Several of the core ideals the Church teaches are radically different. Plus there's actual evidence there was a Jesus Christ unlike most of the other gods listed in the video.

Actually, most do. Old and New Testament alike. And it includes central tenets like the resurrection and crucifixtion. I frequently mention books and videos that go into more detail if you have any doubts (one of them is linked in an earlier post of mine). The works of mythologist Joseph Campbell are also an excellent starting point ("The Hero With a Thousand Faces" being his principle work). He is able to boil the "Savior Myth" down to its basic elements and show how the story and details cross cultures throughout the world.

Beyond that, sure, Jesus likely existed historically. I don't think anyone's questioning that (I'm certainly not). But not as the Gospels depict him (all written decades after his life, and none by firsthand account). In an age without the printing press, where stories were copied and recopied dozens of times a year to respread throughout the land, and most were verbal stories, and in an area of the world that would have been very familiar with these other myths, to say that the truth was kept intact is an enormous stretch of the imagination.

And to further suggest that the Bible as we currnetly know it is indeed the Word of God is even more preposterous, since it was cobbled together over centuries before and after Christianity, and even the oldest Hebrew sections of the Old Testament have predecessors laced throughout pagan mythology (do a google search for "Babylonian Job", for example).

As early as 150 AD, a scholar named Justin Martyr commented extensively on how Christianity was simply rehashed versions of the same myths that were circulating the area at the time. The only difference is, Christianity got the endorsement of a Roman Emperor at a convenient point in history...that's why we're having this conversation today about Jesus instead of, say, Dionysius or any number of other gods.

Is it possible that these were all Satanic imitators to lure us away from the truth? Er...hopefully I don't need to answer that. And is it possible that they are spiritual "predictions" of Christ's coming. I suppose, if you want to believe that. But what is (by far) the likliest scenario? That they are borrowed stories from earlier traditions and cultures. To believe anything else seems silly.

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Argue against me if you need to in order to justify your faith. I'd rather not make a pages-long list of the various myths associated with the Savior Myth, but once you become familiar with all of them it becomes impossible to rationalize them away, unless you're willing to set aside all reason.

Actually, most do. Old and New Testament alike. And it includes central tenets like the resurrection and crucifixtion. I frequently mention books and videos that go into more detail if you have any doubts (one of them is linked in an earlier post of mine).

So was crucifying people like a habby of everyone in the past?

I thought it was a Roman method of execution and punishment.

But not as the Gospels depict him (all written decades after his life, and none by firsthand account).

Where is the documentation the Gospels were not written by any of the Disciples?

And to further suggest that the Bible as we currnetly know it is indeed the Word of God is even more preposterous, since it was cobbled together over centuries before and after Christianity, and even the oldest Hebrew sections of the Old Testament have predecessors laced throughout pagan mythology (do a google search for "Babylonian Job", for example).

To say the Bible, a man-made work, is the Word of God is itself faulty. Man can not hope to properly conceive and describe something so vastly above himself. That's why certain things are mentioned such as God "reprenting". Repent is a human concept.

As early as 150 AD, a scholar named Justin Martyr

Irony. 🙂

The only difference is, Christianity got the endorsement of a Roman Emperor at a convenient point in history...that's why we're having this conversation today about Jesus instead of, say, Dionysius or any number of other gods.

Except for the fact we know Jesus existed. We know the Disciples existed. So, there's a grain of truth to Jesus as opposed to completely fictional gods of the older religions.

Argue against me if you need to in order to justify your faith. I'd rather not make a pages-long list of the various myths associated with the Savior Myth, but once you become familiar with all of them it becomes impossible to rationalize them away, unless you're willing to set aside all reason.

If these ideas have been known for so long, I'm sue more ecucated Christians than myself have come across this. You are presenting a single side to the story; the side intending to disprove Christianity as a mere immitation of several previous ideas. What of the scholars of the Faith? Where is their side?

I know many Catholics who use as much science and logic as they use belief and religion.

Except for the fact we know Jesus existed. We know the Disciples existed. So, there's a grain of truth to Jesus as opposed to completely fictional gods of the older religions.