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People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2100/040604dp7.gif
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4837/040605eo0.gif
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9578/040606ac3.gif
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5744/040607sa8.gif
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4121/040608zf5.gif
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/724/040609au0.gif
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2489/040610we2.gif
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3710/040611oz5.gif

Some people say that Goku takes hours to fly accross planets.
These people never post a scan of this. Goku is now far stronger/faster then the ginu force. This is before he reach the first SuperSaiyan level
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4008/db23116zt8.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7351/db23117ze0.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9182/db23120rd9.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4532/db23121ar7.jpg

Some people say supes is faster
Supes has never been able to instantly get to top speed like the Z fighter do. Even at his top speed his effect on the enviroment isnt much diffrent from denda (who is one of the weakest namics)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1664/db29112qh6.gif

Some people say Goku could not stand up to the power of a nuke.
This explosion from Piccol is far more powerful then then a nuke (the entire city was either blown away or vaporised) - This was way back in Dragon ball (not part of z).
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5679/161007fm1.gif
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9481/161008ox1.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7843/161009ej9.gif
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1605/161010of7.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2452/161011tf8.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8021/161012jk8.gif

Some people say Goku needs alot of time to transform or powerup a attack
Here is Goku transforming to SSJ3 before Superbuu can attack(He can always powerup even more if he has too)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3149/411708zk9.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2899/411709wk7.gif
Here is Goku doing a Kamehameha to counter a attack from Napa, who was right in his face when releasing his attack.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4184/dbz137rx6.jpg
Goku has can also powerup while fighting he does not have to sit still.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/333/db26180hu6.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3447/db26181qj4.gif
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4360/db26182zm1.gif
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6929/db26183ir7.gif

Supers looses heaps of power when he is hit by powerful attacks
Wonderwoman attacks is a weak compared to Goku and Supes. She manage to weaken Supes enought so he could rescue his friends quickly. Can you imagine Goku hits. He could output solor system attack that would do a tremedies amout of damage.
These are the pics that I saw Wonderwoman weakening Supes.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5495/1axs0.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5263/2ani3.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9869/3awp0.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3460/4afd2.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3307/5asc7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1585/6avc1.jpg

Supes has never showen to be as powerful as Goku
He could barly vaporise a bunch of weak doomsday clones that even Batman could kill.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7905/012supermanbatman010remza2.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8343/013supermanbatman010remxz3.jpg
Here is Supes saying he couldn't vaporise them again.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5372/015supermanbatman010remby9.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7084/016supermanbatman010remct0.jpg

Some people say Supes can't travel fast in earth atmosphere because would cause too much destruction.
Supes himself said he could move while supressing sonic booms.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3640/024qb9.jpg
Here he is moving really fast without any atmospheric chaos
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8475/supespeed6ktloisaskssupxy6.jpg

The reason why goku could take hits from Supes.
Master Roshi could pulverise the moon. (powerlevel 139)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2259/ch04pg02kl9.gif
Now Piccol did the same thing. (powerlevel 322) (Kame made another moon just in case you where wondering how could 2 moons be destroyed)
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2569/dbz052az0.jpg
But Piccol blast didnt do anything to Radiz (powerlevel 1200)
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3661/chap197i12iv2.jpg
Goku (powerlevel 8000) stop Nappa blast (powerlevel 5000).. just strug it off.
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/373/dbz126wv9.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3928/dbz127ee3.jpg
Now anyone with a brain can see the ammount of damage someone like Nappa could cause... I let you figure out how much damage Goku could do when fighting frezia, with a powerlevel of over 11 million. Its hard to even think about how much energy Goku can produce at the end of dbz.
So can superman cause such damage? He can sure take that kind of damage but can he dish it out?
Superman is tough, durable and extremely smart.. but he could never hurt Goku (once powerup). Goku has proven he can take these hits as if they where nothing. If Supes can't dish it out hows he supose to beat Goku?

Some people say that these blast aren't enough to hurt Supes because the dont destroy the planet.
All the dragon ball fighters can concentrate their energy down to a single point
Here is Piccol and Goku doing this, in a attemp to beat radiz.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5048/chap203i6bv5.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8284/chap203i7ff1.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2796/chap203i8em1.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8708/chap203i9ah5.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3376/chap203i10rm9.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2928/chap203i11yz5.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1623/chap203i12wx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4026/chap203i13ow7.jpg
Here is Vegeta concentrating his attack down to a small point
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6969/321109sp6.gif
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1623/321110zd6.gif
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5029/321111jg9.gif
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1544/321112vc4.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/410/321113ix0.gif
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3721/321114hl1.gif
This is the only reason why the planet does not get destroyed. Wouldn't be very smart of them to destroy the planet that they are on.

You know, you did make some good points.

lolz this is funny. already a new one. thanks gplex

hate to dis dbz but yes he can. he can use heat vision to incinerate goku or punch his head off. he can literally move a planet.

although i do agree with the amount of energy they put out it could kill supes. easily IMO

Originally posted by chickenlover98
hate to dis dbz but yes he can. he can use heat vision to incinerate goku or punch his head off. he can literally move a planet.
Supes could barley incinerate those weak doomsday clones.. yet you think that Goku who has been in lava like it was just a warm bath, will be hit or even effected by lasers? Ive already showen you that Goku can handle some pretty huge hits... Can Superman hit someone as stronger and durable as cell and turn them into dust? (those little cells had the same power as cell (powerdown))
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3648/63154063ou4.gif

according to every single poster on this forum his hv is hotter than the ****in center of the sun. thats hotter than 5000 degrees CELCIUS. so if it hits goku he'll die. although id like to see goku hit it with a kamehameha and see whatd happen. well itd rip a hole in cell but seeing as its cell that wouldnt matter

the crazy amount of energy they output is awesome. id like to see a kamehameha hit supes. itd be fun to watch that

btw i dont believe he can touch lava. in the frieza saga didnt he not want to be in lava or something along those lines?

btw mini cells much weaker than cell.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
btw i dont believe he can touch lava. in the frieza saga didnt he not want to be in lava or something along those lines?

Yea about as much as superman doesnt want to be in a black hole.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
btw mini cells much weaker than cell. The are stronger then All the other dragon ball fighters.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
according to every single poster on this forum his hv is hotter than the ****in center of the sun. thats hotter than 5000 degrees CELCIUS. so if it hits goku he'll die. although id like to see goku hit it with a kamehameha and see whatd happen. well itd rip a hole in cell but seeing as its cell that wouldnt matter

No they havent prove that... They just said that standard scientific measures where not enought to measure his heat vision.. how do we measure the sun? how do we measure the core of the sun? we calculate that ammount of energy it would take for the sun to have to hit us with the heat that we have. Is that standard... No standard is using equipment to measure it. So unless superman heat vision can vaporise the entire universe we can measure it.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
the crazy amount of energy they output is awesome. id like to see a kamehameha hit supes. itd be fun to watch that

Not really... Look how weak it is..
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7905/012supermanbatman010remza2.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8343/013supermanbatman010remxz3.jpg
Here is Supes saying he couldn't vaporise them again.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5372/015supermanbatman010remby9.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7084/016supermanbatman010remct0.jpg

Originally posted by chickenlover98
although i do agree with the amount of energy they put out it could kill supes. easily IMO

Dont under estimate supes duriblity.. He might not be able to dish out as much punishment as the db fighters but he can sure handel alot.. It would probably take ssj3 to beat down Superman.

well we know the sun on the outside is 5000 degrees farenheit. he can output a ton of dmg. he can move a planet. if you want feats and shit kronick is comin over right now ill have him post

btw superman has held a blackhole. ill have kronick give you info on that.

id w8 for endless to come on and give you scans of that btw. he has a ton of knowledge and a wealth of scans. alsomirai gohan. they know a shitload more of supes than i do.

again still for dbz side. just gotta provide the other side with no posters here

Originally posted by chickenlover98
well we know the sun on the outside is 5000 degrees farenheit. he can output a ton of dmg. he can move a planet. if you want feats and shit kronick is comin over right now ill have him post

We didnt measure that.. just like we didnt measure the heat of a nuke... We calculated it.

same shit. its generally excepted fact.

straight from wiki this is the heat of the sun: 5,515 degrees Celsius / 9,940 Fahrenheit

Originally posted by Gplex
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2100/040604dp7.gif
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4837/040605eo0.gif
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9578/040606ac3.gif
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5744/040607sa8.gif
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4121/040608zf5.gif
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/724/040609au0.gif
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2489/040610we2.gif
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3710/040611oz5.gif

Some people say that Goku takes hours to fly accross planets.
These people never post a scan of this. Goku is now far stronger/faster then the ginu force. This is before he reach the first SuperSaiyan level
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4008/db23116zt8.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7351/db23117ze0.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9182/db23120rd9.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4532/db23121ar7.jpg

Some people say supes is faster
Supes has never been able to instantly get to top speed like the Z fighter do. Even at his top speed his effect on the enviroment isnt much diffrent from denda (who is one of the weakest namics)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1664/db29112qh6.gif

Some people say Goku could not stand up to the power of a nuke.
This explosion from Piccol is far more powerful then then a nuke (the entire city was either blown away or vaporised) - This was way back in Dragon ball (not part of z).
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5679/161007fm1.gif
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9481/161008ox1.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7843/161009ej9.gif
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1605/161010of7.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2452/161011tf8.gif
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8021/161012jk8.gif

Some people say Goku needs alot of time to transform or powerup a attack
Here is Goku transforming to SSJ3 before Superbuu can attack(He can always powerup even more if he has too)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3149/411708zk9.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2899/411709wk7.gif
Here is Goku doing a Kamehameha to counter a attack from Napa, who was right in his face when releasing his attack.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4184/dbz137rx6.jpg
Goku has can also powerup while fighting he does not have to sit still.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/333/db26180hu6.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3447/db26181qj4.gif
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4360/db26182zm1.gif
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6929/db26183ir7.gif

Supers looses heaps of power when he is hit by powerful attacks
Wonderwoman attacks is a weak compared to Goku and Supes. She manage to weaken Supes enought so he could rescue his friends quickly. Can you imagine Goku hits. He could output solor system attack that would do a tremedies amout of damage.
These are the pics that I saw Wonderwoman weakening Supes.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5495/1axs0.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5263/2ani3.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9869/3awp0.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3460/4afd2.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3307/5asc7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1585/6avc1.jpg

Supes has never showen to be as powerful as Goku
He could barly vaporise a bunch of weak doomsday clones that even Batman could kill.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7905/012supermanbatman010remza2.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8343/013supermanbatman010remxz3.jpg
Here is Supes saying he couldn't vaporise them again.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5372/015supermanbatman010remby9.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7084/016supermanbatman010remct0.jpg

Some people say Supes can't travel fast in earth atmosphere because would cause too much destruction.
Supes himself said he could move while supressing sonic booms.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3640/024qb9.jpg
Here he is moving really fast without any atmospheric chaos
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8475/supespeed6ktloisaskssupxy6.jpg

The reason why goku could take hits from Supes.
Master Roshi could pulverise the moon. (powerlevel 139)
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2259/ch04pg02kl9.gif
Now Piccol did the same thing. (powerlevel 322) (Kame made another moon just in case you where wondering how could 2 moons be destroyed)
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2569/dbz052az0.jpg
But Piccol blast didnt do anything to Radiz (powerlevel 1200)
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3661/chap197i12iv2.jpg
Goku (powerlevel 8000) stop Nappa blast (powerlevel 5000).. just strug it off.
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/373/dbz126wv9.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3928/dbz127ee3.jpg
Now anyone with a brain can see the ammount of damage someone like Nappa could cause... I let you figure out how much damage Goku could do when fighting frezia, with a powerlevel of over 11 million. Its hard to even think about how much energy Goku can produce at the end of dbz.
So can superman cause such damage? He can sure take that kind of damage but can he dish it out?
Superman is tough, durable and extremely smart.. but he could never hurt Goku (once powerup). Goku has proven he can take these hits as if they where nothing. If Supes can't dish it out hows he supose to beat Goku?

Some people say that these blast aren't enough to hurt Supes because the dont destroy the planet.
All the dragon ball fighters can concentrate their energy down to a single point
Here is Piccol and Goku doing this, in a attemp to beat radiz.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5048/chap203i6bv5.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8284/chap203i7ff1.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2796/chap203i8em1.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8708/chap203i9ah5.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3376/chap203i10rm9.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2928/chap203i11yz5.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1623/chap203i12wx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4026/chap203i13ow7.jpg
Here is Vegeta concentrating his attack down to a small point
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6969/321109sp6.gif
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1623/321110zd6.gif
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5029/321111jg9.gif
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1544/321112vc4.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/410/321113ix0.gif
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3721/321114hl1.gif
This is the only reason why the planet does not get destroyed. Wouldn't be very smart of them to destroy the planet that they are on.

All excellent points

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