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Which ones do you guys use?

I hear alot of people use Limewire.

I have used Limewire, Bearshare and Morpheus.

I got spyware from them all.

Anyone have one that hasn't spywared you up?

Limewire, no P2P sharing programs will stop spyware. Just have to download a good spyware program.

I don't download music.

I use torrents for other stuff usually. Is great for porn.

Originally posted by ~Bun Bun~
Which ones do you guys use?

I hear alot of people use Limewire.

I have used Limewire, Bearshare and Morpheus.

I got spyware from them all.

Anyone have one that hasn't spywared you up?

As far as I know, discussion of this sort is against KMC rules...

Originally posted by Tattoo
As far as I know, discussion of this sort is against KMC rules...

Oh shit.... Sorry.

Originally posted by Tattoo
As far as I know, discussion of this sort is against KMC rules...


As far as I know, Limewire is file sharing, hence; legal. The others, IDK.

Originally posted by Secretus
As far as I know, Limewire is file sharing, hence; legal. The others, IDK.

Limewire is primarily used for mp3 sharing.

Originally posted by Tattoo
Limewire is primarily used for mp3 sharing. P-porn?

Originally posted by Bardock42
P-porn?

Shit porn on limewire.

Originally posted by Secretus
As far as I know, Limewire is file sharing, hence; legal. The others, IDK.

The program is legal, illegal downloading is still illegal. It's legal via a loophole.

They TECHNICALLY ask you if you're going to use it for illegal downloading or not, so you can easily lie and they're out of the firing line.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
P-porn?

Yes, and porn.

Originally posted by ~Bun Bun~
What anit-spyware program do you use?

I have a built-in Spyware program that I got with my DSL service.

No one here actually buy CD's anymore?

Originally posted by The Pict
No one here actually buy CD's anymore? Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't download music.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't download music.

I use torrents for other stuff usually. Is great for porn. Why download porn? The previews are enough.

Originally posted by Bardock42


Umm.....doesn't mean you buy CD's......anymore.

Originally posted by The Pict
Umm.....doesn't mean you buy CD's......anymore.

I buy CD's when I want to and can, downloading is just easier.

No matter how easy it is made to BUY music in stores or online (Not even CDs, just digitally), people will weasel out of paying cos they're lazy idiots who "don't have the money to go spending on CDs" but can go out and blast their liver with alcohol or blow money on any number of frivolous things.

Not a good argument.

-AC

Originally posted by lord xyz
I buy CD's when I want to and can, downloading is just easier.

Not so much easier as....free?

I have downloaded songs now and then, but I prefer to build up my CD collection

Originally posted by The Pict
No one here actually buy CD's anymore? I dont. I download music left and right like my hair is on fire.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No matter how easy it is made to BUY music in stores or online (Not even CDs, just digitally), people will weasel out of paying cos they're lazy idiots who "don't have the money to go spending on CDs" but can go out and blast their liver with alcohol or blow money on any number of frivolous things.

Not a good argument.

-AC What an ignorant post. He makes a point, but completely irrelevant to me, who he's addressing.

Originally posted by The Pict
Not so much easier as....free?

I have downloaded songs now and then, but I prefer to build up my CD collection Well, CDs are better. But yeah, they're free, and you don't have to leave the house, or search many shops, or get the money. So yeah, it is easier.

Edited into previous post.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What an ignorant post. He makes a point, but completely irrelevant to me, who he's addressing.

He's addressing anyone who downloads music, at least that's what I took from it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What an ignorant post. He makes a point, but completely irrelevant to me, who he's addressing.

How did you deduce I was addressing you? If I was I'd have quoted you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How did you deduce I was addressing you? If I was I'd have quoted you.

-AC because he lurves you.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, CDs are better. But yeah, they're free, and you don't have to leave the house, or search many shops, or get the money. So yeah, it is easier.

See, now this is where the ignorance comes in.

You don't have to leave your house to purchase music online either, or search many shops.

So essentially, what you mean is "I do it because it's free.", and you have no other defense besides that?

It's not "easier" to illegally download music. It's "free". If not going out and wandering around stores is your reasoning, then buying music from iTunes is applicable.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How did you deduce I was addressing you? If I was I'd have quoted you.

-AC You don't have to quote someone to address them, but it did sound like you said it because of what I said. If not, then I guess it's not an ignorant post.

that would be my defense. It's free, why not take advantage?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
See, now this is where the ignorance comes in.

You don't have to leave your house to purchase music online either, or search many shops.

So essentially, what you mean is "I do it because it's free.", and you have no other defense besides that?

It's not "easier" to illegally download music. It's "free". If not going out and wandering around stores is your reasoning, then buying music from iTunes is applicable.

-AC Well, I was comparing download (legal or not) to buying CDs in shops. Didn't mention online shopping at all actually.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
that would be my defense. It's free, why not take advantage?

Because it's stealing musicians' work without permission, without giving them anything in return.

Would you say your professional services, whatever it is you do, aren't worth paying for? If you, in whatever your profession is, dedicate time and effort, only for someone to take that and not give back in the form of pay, what would be your reaction?

There are clothes on racks in stores. They're there, why not just take them?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, I was comparing download (legal or not) to buying CDs in shops. Didn't mention online shopping at all actually.

So mention it. What's your stance there?

It's not anything to do with difficulty is it? It's about you wanting to own, but not wanting to pay. A.k.a laziness, undeserved sense of entitlement etc. Pick one.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because it's stealing musicians work without permission, without giving them anything in return.

Would you say your professional services, whatever it is you do, aren't worth paying for? If you, in whatever your profession is, dedicate time and effort, only for someone to take that and not give back in the form of pay, what would be your reaction.

-AC good point. What if I handad you a coupon for a free dinner at a five star restaraunt of your choice?

I am highly against the illegal downloading of music. I've never been tampted to try it, nor will I ever. I am a big fan of supporting a band by purchasing their album that they worked really hard on and being able to keep their productions legally without questions being asked. Would you really steal a cd from a music store?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So mention it. What's your stance there?

It's not anything to do with difficulty is it? It's about you wanting to own, but not wanting to pay. A.k.a laziness, undeserved sense of entitlement etc. Pick one.

-AC With online shopping, I like it. It's easier, but it's kinda fussy with the paying part. I'd pay, but not paying is easier. Yes, it is easier. No credit card information and registry crap. Illegal downloads are easier. If I found an online shop and am a member of it, I probably would pay. Genuine is always better.

Originally posted by Scythe
I am highly against the illegal downloading of music. I've never been tampted to try it, nor will I ever. I am a big fan of supporting a band by purchasing their album that they worked really hard on and being able to keep their productions legally without questions being asked. Would you really steal a cd from a music store? Yes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
good point. What if I handad you a coupon for a free dinner at a five star restaraunt of your choice?

A coupon that the restaurant have endorsed, distributed and allowed with permission from...themselves?

Take it.

It's not a matter of me being against stuff being free. It's a matter of stealing things, totally different issue.

You are stealing music against the musicians' will, I would not be stealing from the restaurant by using a free coupon THEY distributed themselves.

Originally posted by lord xyz
With online shopping, I like it. It's easier, but it's kinda fussy with the paying part. I'd pay, but not paying is easier. Yes, it is easier. No credit card information and registry crap. Illegal downloads are easier. If I found an online shop and am a member of it, I probably would pay. Genuine is always better.

It's not about "difficulty" is it? As you prove every time you post. It's about you simply not wanting to pay.

In the time you've taken to type these replies, you could register for Amazon, Play, Play Asia etc. Any number of store sites.

It's not a matter of "easy", and you prove that. It's you just trying to find as many ways out of paying for shit as you can. You want to own it, but you don't wanna pay. You're lazy and you're a thief.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes.

So again, it's not about "ease" is it? If you'd go into a music store and purposefully steal CDs, it proves even more that you just don't want to pay.

What do you work as?

-AC

I am however, a big fan of buying musician's work directly from their website or club. You see, during the entire creation of any album, a band's percentage is only so much because the cost of the cd is split between the people who produced it, equipment cost, materials, graphical art, band manager, the actual label who put it out and after all is said and done, some band's recieve eleven to twenty cents per cd sold. However buying it directly from the band, ensures that they recieve most of the bill.

Originally posted by The Pict
No one here actually buy CD's anymore? Never been a big fan of music to the point where I want to buy the CD, at least not in America.

I buy all of my Japanese CDs though.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No matter how easy it is made to BUY music in stores or online (Not even CDs, just digitally), people will weasel out of paying cos they're lazy idiots who "don't have the money to go spending on CDs" but can go out and blast their liver with alcohol or blow money on any number of frivolous things.

Not a good argument.

-AC


Hahaha,

I bet you have something to do with the music industry.

Why take this so personal?

Who cares, CD's are over prised anyway ..

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A coupon that the restaurant have endorsed, distributed and allowed with permission from...themselves?

Take it.

It's not a matter of me being against stuff being free. It's a matter of stealing things, totally different issue.

You are stealing music against the musicians' will, I would not be stealing from the restaurant by using a free coupon THEY distributed themselves.

-AC jeez....that sure backfired on me.....shut up.


I get your point about stealing services from the musicians, but still, it's right there at our fingertips, and it's so damn easy to do. I just have a hard time feeling sorry for the musicians.

Originally posted by Scythe
I am however, a big fan of buying musician's work directly from their website or club. You see, during the entire creation of any album, a band's percentage is only so much because the cost of the cd is split between the people who produced it, equipment cost, materials, graphical art, band manager, the actual label who put it out and after all is said and done, some band's recieve eleven to twenty cents per cd sold. However buying it directly from the band, ensures that they recieve most of the bill.

But ultimately making sure they receive payment for it is what matters.

-AC

I'll admit it, I download illegally. Though, to make me feel less guilty, I go out and buy the CD. Every CD that is on my computer, is in my CD Case in my car. I mainly download for the iTunes extras. I am so against iTunes, and if my favorite artists put out a "iTunes only" song, I want that song.

Originally posted by InnerRise
Never been a big fan of music to the point where I want to buy the CD, at least not in America.

I buy all of my Japanese CDs though.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

I was just surprised by the first posts. People casually mentioning their ways of downloading music.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A coupon that the restaurant have endorsed, distributed and allowed with permission from...themselves?

Take it.

It's not a matter of me being against stuff being free. It's a matter of stealing things, totally different issue.

You are stealing music against the musicians' will, I would not be stealing from the restaurant by using a free coupon THEY distributed themselves.



It's not about "difficulty" is it? As you prove every time you post. It's about you simply not wanting to pay.

In the time you've taken to type these replies, you could register for Amazon, Play, Play Asia etc. Any number of store sites.

It's not a matter of "easy", and you prove that. It's you just trying to find as many ways out of paying for shit as you can. You want to own it, but you don't wanna pay. You're lazy and you're a thief. It's easier to type than register.

I'm not a lazy thief, well actually I am. But my point that it's easier to click "Download" than all the Amazon stuff is still valid. Besides, watch the South Park episode about illegal downlaods. The artists already have enough money. And downloading music makes them more known.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So again, it's not about "ease" is it? If you'd go into a music store and purposefully steal CDs, it proves even more that you just don't want to pay.

What do you work as?

-AC N-no. I usually steal because I can't be arsed waiting in line. But yeah, not paying is good.

Originally posted by Secretus
Hahaha,

I bet you have something to do with the music industry.

Why take this so personal?

Who cares, CD's are over prised anyway .. Bad move...

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's easier to type than register.

Well you're quite clearly either a weasel or a man so lazy that if I think about it any longer I'll get depressed.

It takes hardly any real effort to register for these things.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm not a lazy thief, well actually I am. But my point that it's easier to click "Download" than all the Amazon stuff is still valid. Besides, watch the South Park episode about illegal downlaods. The artists already have enough money. And downloading music makes them more known.

It's not valid at all. Ease is not working, Lord. First you said it was easier than traditional stores, so I presented the idea of online purchasing. Then you brought the argument of how it takes too much effort to register, when you are on KMC every single day putting effort into making posts, frivolous or otherwise, in which case you could have registered with a million and one sites, and then it's done, no more registering or typing. Just clicking.

That's a bullshit argument. They artists already have enough money?

A) Unless you are The Rolling Stones or whatever, downloading music has an effect. Small or large, an effect.

B) Who cares? It's not about making sure they are rich, it's about respect. Paying for things you want to own. I know that's an alien concept, but there you go, I'm a thinker like that.

Downloading music has its plus sides, sure. Like you said, exposure, but as Rev said, at least BUY the stuff you like. If you like it, support these people.

Originally posted by lord xyz
N-no. I usually steal because I can't be arsed waiting in line. But yeah, not paying is good.

Then you're an idiot, not much more need be said.

-AC

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes.

Yes what?

He does/would steal from a store.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well you're quite clearly either a weasel or a man so lazy that if I think about it any longer I'll get depressed.

It takes hardly any real effort to register for these things.


It's not valid at all. Ease is not working, Lord. First you said it was easier than traditional stores, so I presented the idea of online purchasing. Then you brought the argument of how it takes too much effort to register, when you are on KMC every single day putting effort into making posts, frivolous or otherwise, in which case you could have registered with a million and one sites, and then it's done, no more registering or typing. Just clicking.

That's a bullshit argument. They artists already have enough money?

A) Unless you are The Rolling Stones or whatever, downloading music has an effect. Small or large, an effect.

B) Who cares? It's not about making sure they are rich, it's about respect. Paying for things you want to own. I know that's an alien concept, but there you go, I'm a thinker like that.

Downloading music has its plus sides, sure. Like you said, exposure, but as Rev said, at least BUY the stuff you like. If you like it, support these people.



Then you're an idiot, not much more need be said.

-AC Apart from me being an idiot, I'm going to have to agree with all of your post.

Gonna go to bed aswell. Tis night time!

It's free shit. Everyone who has the oppurtunity to get free shit is gonna take advantage, that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's free shit. Everyone who has the oppurtunity to get free shit is gonna take advantage, that's all there is to it.

Do you wanna go a step further and tell me how that's relevant?

It's not free in the sense you believe it is. You've already likened it to a free coupon, which is totally inaccurate.

Would you steal from a store? No. Stealing online is the same, it's as bad, or possiblyt worse. It's just easier to get away with and harder to trace. There's a difference between something being "free" and something being easy to steal.

Free samples in a deli are "free", illegal music is as free as the tv the guy just stole from your living room.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you wanna go a step further and tell me how that's relevant?

It's not free in the sense you believe it is. You've already likened it to a free coupon, which is totally inaccurate.

Would you steal from a store? No. Stealing online is the same, it's as bad, it's just easier to get away with and harder to trace. There's a difference between something being "free" and something being easy to steal.

Free samples in a deli are "free", illegal music is as free as the tv the guy just stole from your living room.

-AC downloading music for free and a guy stealing a TV from my living room?

tell me....what's the punishment if I download Metallica right here, right now?

I don't download mp3 I buy CDs


really

haermm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
tell me....what's the punishment if I download Metallica right here, right now?

That is EXACTLY my point.

There is a punishment, it's just harder to apply because there are way too many people doing it and it's hard to trace. Avoiding punishment doesn't mean there isn't one.

You wouldn't steal so blatantly as burglary or store theft because the punishment is much more likely. It doesn't mean illegally downloading music isn't as bad cos it's easier to get away with.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That is EXACTLY my point.

There is a punishment, it's just harder to apply because there are way too many people doing it and it's hard to trace. Avoiding punishment doesn't mean there isn't one.

You wouldn't steal so blatantly as burglary or store theft because the punishment is much more likely. It doesn't mean illegally downloading music isn't as bad cos it's easier to get away with.

-AC yes, I know there is a punishment, I am just not familiar with how severe it is.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But ultimately making sure they receive payment for it is what matters.

-AC

But of course. As a musician, I firmly disagree with the pay each cd sold nets us. Let alone once we're famous.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, I know there is a punishment, I am just not familiar with how severe it is.

The punishment is jail time, people have been sent to jail for it.

Ok, I see your curiousity, let me give an example.

If you knew that the punishment for downloading was as LIKELY as stealing from a store, and there was a good chance that sooner, rather than later, you'd be in court possibly getting sent to jail, would you continue stealing?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The punishment is jail time, people have been sent to jail for it.

Ok, I see your curiousity, let me give an example.

If you knew that the punishment for downloading was as LIKELY as stealing from a store, and there was a good chance that sooner, rather than later, you'd be in court possibly getting sent to jail, would you continue stealing?

-AC well, I use my limewire like there is no tomorrow. fukk the police and RJ said it with authority.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, I use my limewire like there is no tomorrow. fukk the police and RJ said it with authority.

You didn't actually answer my question, quite cowardly for someone talking so big.

I expect to see you robbing stores soon, shouting "Fukk the police.". We won't though, will we? No, cos you don't want to go to jail, cos it's more likely you'll get caught. So what we're dealing with is a guy who talks big because he won't get caught, which isn't very big, or manly of a thing to do, is it RJ?

Shoplifting isn't cool, it's not good, is it? Or did I miss a meeting?

Originally posted by Secretus
lol, they raise teh price because of theft and people that use file sharing?

Hold on, AC.

I need to shed a tear and then give a shit.

Naa.

You said they were over-priced as a means to excuse file-sharing, when the main reason for prices of CDs rising and falling is because of file-sharing itself, then when I explain that to you...you reply with "I don't care." essentially.

Now, with that said, I'm gonna take a seat and let you explain what you feel was going to be achieved by doing that.

*Grabs a biscuit*

Go for it.

-AC

Limewire is terrible for your computer. Do not use it.

Originally posted by SelphieT
Limewire is terrible for your computer. Do not use it. What can happen?

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by InnerRise
What can happen?

anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Viruses galore, and shit you don't need.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You didn't actually answer my question, quite cowardly for someone talking so big.

I expect to see you robbing stores soon, shouting "Fukk the police.". We won't though, will we? No, cos you don't want to go to jail, cos it's more likely you'll get caught. So what we're dealing with is a guy who talks big because he won't get caught, which isn't very big, or manly of a thing to do, is it RJ?

Shoplifting isn't cool, it's not good, is it? Or did I miss a meeting?





-AC Dood, I am not a coward, and this aint the GDF, so chill.

I just don't think it's a big deal to download music illegally. Yes, shoplifting is a crime, and it's pretty hard to do nowadays, they have taken steps to ensure this. And if downloading music illegally is a sign of not being a man, then there are VERY FEW men in the world.

Fukk the police is a line from a song, I was trying to lighten the mood here.

You know, you aren't even a musician, why do you take such offense to this subject?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why download porn? The previews are enough. So I can watch it.

Originally posted by The Pict
Umm.....doesn't mean you buy CD's......anymore.

True.

I'm against downloading music illegally for the same reasons as AC said. It just really kinda bugs me not having something legal, rather annoying, there you go, I have a conscience. The only one reason I endorse illegal downloading for is to preview an artist. If you like it, buy it, if not, delete it.

I just downloaded 11 Cypress Hill songs. suck on that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just downloaded 11 Cypress Hill songs. suck on that.

Haha, I just stole three DVDs and a Stereo from Best Buy, so suck on that

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just downloaded 11 Cypress Hill songs. suck on that.

None of us are getting angry about it we just believe it's morally wrong. Do what you want.

Originally posted by Kram3r
None of us are getting angry about it we just believe it's morally wrong. Do what you want. and I intend to download some ICP when I get home. I like porn. And cheese poofs are yummy.


Water is clear and teaseless.


Where the hell is my wheelbarrow?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and I intend to download some ICP when I get home. I like porn. And cheese poofs are yummy.


Water is clear and teaseless.


Where the hell is my wheelbarrow?

What does that hav...don't worry.

Originally posted by Kram3r
What does that hav...don't worry. worry? about what?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
worry? about what?

He's right, don't worry, RJ. Don't worry.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He's right, don't worry, RJ. Don't worry. I have not a thing to worry about, Bluto, other than death and taxes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have not a thing to worry about, Bluto, other than death and taxes.

Exactly. So, don't worry.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Exactly. So, don't worry. dont lose any sleep. I know I wont, you aint that good.

No illegal talk please. It could land us into trouble.

Closing.