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Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.



welcome to my world

Since it always been that since a whle back I don't think it will never change war or no war.jm

Humanity is based on conquest
It's been like that throughout history.

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

So two Jews walk into a bar.

haermm

Originally posted by cruel jedi


What, you don't like Jews?


You racist bastard.

i never said anything shouldnt jump to conclusions

It was a joke. haermm

Originally posted by Vathu
So two Jews walk into a bar.

haermm And Vath was there. ZOMGS. haermm

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

Why the feck is this here?

GDF?

Yeah,Free Palestine etc

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

LOL

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

"House of peace"... LoL. Muslim countries have been hacking each other apart long before 1948. If anything, Israel gave them a calling to stop killing each other (which they didn't) and focus on the "Jewish problem".

You know what would probably happen if every single Jew in Israel packed up and moved out? Jordon and Syria would swarm in, gas, shot and rocket every Palestinian in site and annex the land for themselves. "House of Peace", my ass.

Sock, right?

should i ahve coke or pepsi today?

omg

you are teh smrt

SUA kils kids and hates mohmmed

ok, no, but on a more serious note, this has been the most intellectually balanced account of both the creation of isreal and the plight of the palestinian people.

Hey... I actually have a real question: jala, what is your thought on Iran sending arms and support to Hamas through Syria in order for them to continue brainwashing and oppressing the people in the Gaza strip? What role does Hamas or the PLO have in the modern oppression of the Palestinians?

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

Are you for killing all the Jews?

you're just inviting a typical jihadist half-answer, laced with artificial sentiment about not wishing death on all jews...while wishing death on all jews.

Originally posted by jala
Land without nation to nation without land.

When Israel was established in 1948, it created a tremendous problem in the Middle East, not a political problem but a religious problem. The Jews had invaded the "House of Peace" turning it into a he "House of War."

Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

This is the situation in Palestine since 1948

Israel is a problem in the middle east but it is also a solution. I don't see agreement coming anytime soon. I regret all the deaths in Religious Wars. It's all very sad.

Originally posted by BakaXero
Humanity is based on conquest
It's been like that throughout history.

how would u explain Ivan the terrible: (well, he w/d power from the nobility (which would be a spiritual reason why he was driven mad and lost his love Anistasia...maybe someone wanted revenge??), well, he reacted terribly to it....he opened up trading to England, more traffic and maybe bad friends who did something to Anistasia, making him think it was one of his own nobility, so he attacks them...who knows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAaZYRUrKdI&mode=related&search=

It certainly wouldn't hurt if reparations for the aquisition of economic assets were made to surviving Refugees and their offspring.

cheaper in the long term than bankrolling the Israeli defense forces at $15bn per annum

is this a statement turned into a question?
Did not the Ottoman empire use the same tactics towards its neighbouring countries which they occupied.
History repeat itself all the time its only that the group(s) victimized that changes

history repeats itself.

still that does not excuse rayp n stuff for xample

Originally posted by don't shiv
history repeats itself.

still that does not excuse rayp n stuff for xample

pretty much accross the board, in all situations, giving "cash" to people who are in a desperate and economically bankrupt situations has a overall negative effect.

Allowing prominent Palestinian buisnuisses to flourish would be good, but that is more of a problem with the leadership on the PA side.

Originally posted by don't shiv
history repeats itself.

still that does not excuse rayp n stuff for xample

There is no excuse great enough to justify rap. Or rayp, either.

Originally posted by botankus
There is no excuse great enough to justify rap. Or rayp, either.

What about "n stuff"? I am curious to hear your views on that.

"N' Stuff?" Wasn't that a NKOTB album?

Originally posted by botankus
"N' Stuff?" Wasn't that a NKOTB album?

I think you're thinking of "Hangin' Tough".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Nkotb_face_the_music_cover.jpg

Sad they had to grow up...

The unedited version featured their Stuff.

or until sensible people who dont hide behind the political religious aspect of the problem deals with the issue.

And here in Norway the media is biased both ways, there are both pro palestinian and pro israel articles in the media

Everyone needs to understand that the vast majority of both Palestinians and Israelis are in favor of ending the violence.

The civilians in the Gaza strip do not support the militant wing of Hamas, especially when they start civil and international wars in their front yards.

now thats a reliable and objective source

look above


how much of these articles do you agree with?
does its source change your perception of the arguments presented?/QUOTE] now why on earth should they change anybodies perception of arguments presented.
Problem is whenever someone puts Islam on the agenda and criticise it, fatwa is called for and all hell breaks loose. But the jews well those can be ridiculed and mocked in the media and press, maybe the jews should call out their own fatwa towards those who criticise their ways.

Originally posted by Schecter
you're just inviting a typical jihadist half-answer, laced with artificial sentiment about not wishing death on all jews...while wishing death on all jews.

Hah! True.

What about Spain and Basques? Why nobody is interested that Basques do not have a land of their own. Or American Indians or Mexican Indians? There are native people in Northern Europe too without land - the Saami people. And Eskimos don't have land. The Russia is a combination of tens of different nations put to one. It is pure politics that people are speaking so much about middle east and religion too.

they have land, they even have their own parliament, truth is that the majority sees that they would never be self sufficient being a soveriegn country it simply wouldnt work so now they accept being a nation within the nation.
And by the way we in western Norway are just as much Natives to this country as the Saamii are, actually we (Norwegians) have been here and settled here longer than them, it was they Saami who settled in an already settled territory. But small clans and groups of settlements gathered to form what is now countries.
For the Natives of the Americas it is a bit different though

Originally posted by anaconda
For the Natives of the Americas it is a bit different though

lol

the ammount of people in europe who have strong feelings about native americans is austounding.

well, im off to oppress some Iriquois by using some hydroelectric power, hope they dont blow up a train or start an armed roadblock.

the comparising between Scandinavian so called Natives and American Natives was made to show the difference between the parts. The difference being that as far as we know the ancestors of todays American Natives was the ones who settled the American continent whereas the Natives called Saamii or Laps settled an area used by people who lived by the edge of the retracting glaciers.
As a little curiosity note, both the Native Americans and Laps/Saamii is believed to have emigrated from much of the the same area of Asia though...............

Originally posted by anaconda
the comparising between Scandinavian so called Natives and American Natives was made to show the difference between the parts. The difference being that as far as we know the ancestors of todays American Natives was the ones who settled the American continent whereas the Natives called Saamii or Laps settled an area used by people who lived by the edge of the retracting glaciers.
As a little curiosity note, both the Native Americans and Laps/Saamii is believed to have emigrated from much of the the same area of Asia though...............

fair enough

it was more of a comment based on my experiences on these boards.

understandable