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I may be wrong but this may be a good fight. Anyhoo..Who wins. They fight on Endor.

1.Lightsaber battle
2.Al out.

This was actually the first match in a Jedi / Sith tournament going on at my site. There, Vos won. I say:


1. Vos wins, but Jinn puts up a great fight.

2. I say Vos, but could definitely see it going either way. Almost a 50-50 here, imo.

Qui-Gon in all of themchair

Qui-Gon.

1. Qui-Gon

2. I don't know, undecided here.

1.)Close, but Qui Gon may win.
2.)Not sure.

Originally posted by darthsith19
This was actually the first match in a Jedi / Sith tournament going on at my site. There, Vos won. I say:


1. Vos wins, but Jinn puts up a great fight.

2. I say Vos, but could definitely see it going either way. Almost a 50-50 here, imo.

HAHA, your site is garbage. First off, its full of blatant bullshit and riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you are that unprofessional on a website viewable by anyone?

What was your rationale? Tyrannus is stronger than Vader cause he beat OB1 and Vader lost to OB1? Uh, you do know that Vader and Anakin are the same person and Anakin tooled Dooku right? One moment of weakness or error doesn't undo badassness. Also, Dooku never beat OB1 in saber combat after he became the master of his form.

Also, you say its obvious that Sidious let Mace win? Ok...and your reasoning is that his moves looked choppier and he disposed of 3 other master in seconds, but not Mace. What does that tell you? That Mace is a firm tier or two above those other Jedi and due to shatter-point and vaapad, he was the best one to fight Sidious. I know a lot of people willing to take a boot to the face and drop their weapon out of a window on the chance that someone will help you. He tried to use lightning and it didn't work until Anakin chopped Mace's arm off. Get a clue kid, seriously.

Anyway, on topic: I would say that Vos takes round one and Jinn takes round two. He was said to be one of the most gifted or knowledgeable about the living force which would mean he should know how to easily use it to his advantage. And after studying under Dooku, one of the most powerful jedi in history, I would say that he is fairly capable of handing Vos his ass on a platter.

I know Vos had a powerful master as well, but QGJ epitomizes the quintessential jedi.

Wow, this is amazing. You are a 27-year-old man who regularly posts in a Star Wars versus forum and you feel the need to flame me, in a thread in which I have done nothing to offend you?


Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
HAHA, your site is garbage. First off, its full of blatant bullshit and riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you are that unprofessional on a website viewable by anyone?

I never said I was a great webmaster or web creator; I am not Ghent or Raz. However, I do think that, for the most part, my spelling and grammar is pretty good. If my site has bad grammar, could you point out where it is? When did you see my site, anyways, and if it's so much garbage, why did you go there in the first place?








Exactly. One moment of weakness for Tyranus against Anakin doesn't undo his badassness. And for someone who is so upset about grammar, you should know that "badassness" isn't a word.



If you want to debate that ROTS kenobi is Dooku's superior in saber combat, I'm not going to debate against you. However, the last time I tried debating that, everybody, including you, disagreed with me. And if you want to revive the old Dooku vs. Vader thread, go ahead. Why are you bring it, or anything else, up in this thread, I have no idea.



Hey moron, I was debating that Sidious let Mace win 2 f*cking years ago! Look around - do you see me saying Sidious let Mace win now? I admitted as soon as the ROTS dvd came out and Lucas said that Mace really won that I had been wrong. Welcome to the present, dumbass.



Obviously you don't even know what your talking about here and you had no reason to post any of this here and to do so was childish. If you are a 27-year-old man who finds pleasure entering a random thread and dedicating an entire post to flaming another person, then you have some serious issues. And you're reported.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Wow, this is amazing. You are a 27-year-old man who regularly posts in a Star Wars versus forum and you feel the need to flame me, in a thread in which I have done nothing to offend you?
I wasn't flaming you, I was flaming your website, rather the bullshit in it. Why use a question mark? You didn't ask a question.





Originally posted by darthsith19
Exactly. One moment of weakness for Tyranus against Anakin doesn't undo his badassness. And for someone who is so upset about grammar, you should know that "badassness" isn't a word.
Completely different situation. Dooku was PWNED, where as Anakin's moment of weakness was mental and manifested itself in a bad jump.
And purposefully using a word that isn't official, isn't the same as running a website where you are trying to persuade people to think like you and take your ideas seriously, yet you can't articulate them properly with proper grammar. And i never said i was upset, just an observation.

Originally posted by darthsith19
If you want to debate that ROTS kenobi is Dooku's superior in saber combat, I'm not going to debate against you. However, the last time I tried debating that, everybody, including you, disagreed with me. And if you want to revive the old Dooku vs. Vader thread, go ahead. Why are you bring it, or anything else, up in this thread, I have no idea. I'm not saying that he wouldn't beat him saber combat, I'm just saying that he didn't beat him. He took him out with the force first. But to say that Vader is the weakest Sith lord because Maul beat QGJ, Dooku beat OB1 and OB1 beat Anakin is sheer stupidity. I brought it up because you mentioned your "site" and I was intrigued to see what was on it, and decided to reply about it. Any more dumbass questions?



Originally posted by darthsith19
Hey moron, I was debating that Sidious let Mace win 2 f*cking years ago! Look around - do you see me saying Sidious let Mace win now? I admitted as soon as the ROTS dvd came out and Lucas said that Mace really won that I had been wrong. Welcome to the present, dumbass.
Welcome to the present dumbass, yet you can't update a two year old website that you're still advocating? Hmmm, hypocrisy much? And no i don't see you still debating that cause no ones debating it anymore. I have no idea what you're new opinions are, but if you are mentioning your site to people, you should update your opinions on it...dumbass.


Originally posted by darthsith19
Obviously you don't even know what your talking about here and you had no reason to post any of this here and to do so was childish. If you are a 27-year-old man who finds pleasure entering a random thread and dedicating an entire post to flaming another person, then you have some serious issues. And you're reported. I don't know what I'm talking about? Dude, you have a site FILLED with misinformation and constantly debate (should you call it that) things that you have no idea about. You are the most biased person on here, with the possible exception of a couple Dooku fanboys that linger about.

And I find your distortion of the truth amusing. I said one thing derogatory about you and your site and moved on to Star Wars related topics, so how does that equate to an entire post flaming you? And oh no, don't report bullshit to a mod, i might get a warning for arguing on here like everyone else. Not a big deal really, especially since you have real basis for it. But good try though.

edit: Plus you didn't even reply to the topic at hand which i commented on, which means your post was completely designed to attack me. Hypocrisy's a b!tch ain't it?

By flaming something that I created you are in essence flaming me. And if you must know, I typed most of that post, lost it, and had to restart, and was going fast and accidentally put in the "?".



As stated before, if you really want to debate this, revive the old Dooku vs. Vader thread. This is off topic.



I merely stated something that occurred on my site, I wasn't asking for your opinion on my site. And how did you find my site, anyways? Show me where I used "Vader is the weakest Sith lord because Maul beat QGJ, Dooku beat OB1 and OB1 beat Anakin". When did I even say that Vader was the weakest Sith?




Wow, your incredible, that site was made barely over a year ago, and I do update it.

http://z14.invi$ionfree.com/Ultimate_Star_Wars/index.php?showtopic=103

(Change the $ to an s, I ahd to do that so the link would work.)

I never update my opinions, do I? What would you like me to do, go to the "Welcome and forum feedback" section and post a thread titled "my opinions"? Does anybody here do that?



What about my site is misinformed, and how am I biased? Biased towards whom, may I ask?



And why the hell would I respond to what you said about this battle when you agreed with me?

Originally posted by darthsith19
By flaming something that I created you are in essence flaming me. And if you must know, I typed most of that post, lost it, and had to restart, and was going fast and accidentally put in the "?".
Ok sparky, whatever you say.


Originally posted by darthsith19
As stated before, if you really want to debate this, revive the old Dooku vs. Vader thread. This is off topic.
There's no point cause even if you're handed evidence, you wont admit you're wrong. And no one will change their opinions on the topic.


Originally posted by darthsith19
I merely stated something that occurred on my site, I wasn't asking for your opinion on my site. And how did you find my site, anyways? Show me where I used "Vader is the weakest Sith lord because Maul beat QGJ, Dooku beat OB1 and OB1 beat Anakin". When did I even say that Vader was the weakest Sith?
You mentioned it, freedom of speech dictates my ability to comment on it, and you should know, its in your profile high-speed.


From your site (nothing has been altered):

The biggest debate I've ever been in is one on who the weakest Sith is. Now, obviously they're all very strong, but I always said Vader is the weakest Sith and most people said Maul was (note: Asajj ventress, General grievous, Sora Bulq and co. are NOT Sith. This debate was ONLY between the Sith from the movies). Now that I've seen ROTS I see that I was right. Now, I was right because I said Maul was stronger than Mechanical vader. I never doubted non-mechanical vader could beat him (well, when I was very young and naive I did, but that was a long time ago). Here is the order of the Sith, strongest to weakest, and why:
1. Darth Sidious - Took on 4 strong Jedi Masters at once (one which included Mace Windu), beat three straight uo and could have beaten the fourth even without Anakin's help. He also defeated Yoda, was responsible for the death of the Chosen One and clouded the kinds of the entire Jedi Order. he started out alone and took over the entire galaxy. there's no doubt he's the strongest Sith.
2. Darth Tyranus - He obviously is weaker than Sidious as he's afradi to take on Sidious alone (in AOTC he wants Obi-Wan's help). He also was losing to Yoda and Sidious beat Yoda. But he defeated Obi-Wan while fending off Anakin and Obi-Wan beat Vader.
3. Darth Vader (before becoming Mechanical) and 4. (after becoming mechanical). He lost to Kenobi. Tyranus beat Kenobi. He beat Cin Drallig with one hand while fending off 2 other Padawans, though, and is stronger Force-wise than Maul, about equal in dueling.
4 and 3. Darth Maul (he could beat mechanical Vader) He beat Qui-Gon Jinn, and the TPM novel states Qui-Gon's saber skills rival Mace Windu's, so he is strong, very strong, but not as strong as the other Sith. But he is my favorite Sith.


Originally posted by darthsith19
Wow, your incredible, that site was made barely over a year ago, and I do update it.

http://z14.invi$ionfree.com/Ultimate_Star_Wars/index.php?showtopic=103

(Change the $ to an s, I ahd to do that so the link would work.)

I never update my opinions, do I? What would you like me to do, go to the "Welcome and forum feedback" section and post a thread titled "my opinions"? Does anybody here do that?
Yous aid you were debating that Sidious let him win, yet still have it on a site you made a year ago, and say that you update your opinion...something doesn't click there.


Originally posted by darthsith19
What about my site is misinformed, and how am I biased? Biased towards whom, may I ask?
Against Vader, for Maul (or anyone against Vader) for starters.


Originally posted by darthsith19
And why the hell would I respond to what you said about this battle when you agreed with me? Uh, you said Vos would win round 2, and i didn't...that's agreeing?

Ok kid, is that your final answer?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
You are the most biased person on here, with the possible exception of a couple Dooku fanboys that linger about.

That wouldnt be directed at me by any chance would it?

Originally posted by Rampant ox
That wouldnt be directed at me by any chance would it? Nah, you've calmed down ALOT. But no, I wasn't referring to you...this time anyway. j/k

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Nah, you've calmed down ALOT. But no, I wasn't referring to you...this time anyway. j/k

Is it me?

1. Qui-Gon may be slightly better. I believe it was stated somewhere that as of TpM he was Mace's equal, and he probably would have become more powerful with time.

2. It is very close, but I'm going with Jinn on this one.

No, CM...not at all.

Qui Gon in all.