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Clinton: $5,000 For Every U.S. Baby
Hillary Clinton Says Families Should Receive $5,000 Bond For Every Baby Born

WASHINGTON, Sep. 28, 2007

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(AP)



(AP) Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home.

Clinton, her party's front-runner in the 2008 race, made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.

"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.

The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it. Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States.

Clinton said such an account program would help people get back to the tradition of savings that she remembers as a child, and has become harder to accomplish in the face of rising college and housing costs.

One way of building a stronger economy, she said, is "more savings, starting with the so-called baby bonds idea where every person born in this country would be given that kind of account because we want to make an investment in America's young people."

She argued that wealthy people "get to have all kinds of tax incentives to save, but most people can't afford to do that."

The proposal was met with enthusiastic applause at an event aimed to encourage young people to excel and engage in politics.

"I think it's a wonderful idea," said Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, an Ohio Democrat who attended the event and has already endorsed Clinton. "Every child born in the United States today owes $27,000 on the national debt, why not let them come get $5,000 to grow until they're 18?"

Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the senator's campaign, said a baby bonds program "is not a firm policy proposal but an idea under consideration."

Republican rival Rudy Giuliani criticized the idea, saying on the Sean Hannity radio show that the Clinton campaign is "based on pandering to the point where I think they think the American people are stupid."

Britain launched a similar program in January 2005, handing out vouchers worth hundreds of dollars each to parents with children born after Sept. 1, 2002.

Earlier this month, Time magazine proposed a $5,000 baby bond program.




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4,000,000 babies per year x $5,000 = $20,000,000,000

Hurray for more taxes going into illegal immigrant's bank accounts.

Sounds to me like another emtpy politicans promise. If it goes, through it sounds like it will be a disaster.

Could be an interesting idea.
But probably more Hillary crowd pleasing blather.
Oh well. Not expecting any more from here, and thats probably why I'm voting Edwards.

You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

Depends whether or not they are in America at the time of being called that, and if they are abroad, whether or not they went through the proper entry channels..

Seriously though, I cant see how that schemes gonna work.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Depends whether or not they are in America at the time of being called that, and if they are abroad, whether or not they went through the proper entry channels.. This part didn't make any sense.
It'd be pretty easy to implement. $20 billion is chump change to the government.

Because all babies born in the United States are going to grow up to be college goers, or even interested in furthering their education.

It'd certainly help feed their potential drug habits, for example.

Originally posted by Syren
Because all babies born in the United States are going to grow up to be college goers, or even interested in furthering their education.

It'd certainly help feed their potential drug habits, for example. Children born in the United States are more likely to go to college than become drug users ermm

Just sayin' ermm

There's no guarantee the money given freely would be used positively. Don't be blinded by patriotism, you know drug use is rife in every country. How many babies a year are born in American alone? Remind me.

Originally posted by Syren
Just sayin' ermm

There's no guarantee the money given freely would be used positively. Don't be blinded by patriotism, you know drug use is rife in every country. How many babies a year are born in American alone? Remind me. According to KidRock, approx. 4 million.

I'm not being nationalistic, I'm just saying that it's unlikely that government-funded bank accounts are going to fall victim to drug users. I'm pretty sure there would regulations on how the money could be used. Require documentation for where the money is going, such as college expenses, loan on a new house, etc. That's how I'd run it, anyway.

And I'm sure there would be a few problems, like excellent forgeries of aforementioned documentation, but that happens.

Fair enough

Strangelove FTW...

You give up too easy. I'd be arguing with some other GDFer for hours about this.

Thanks for that

What was there to discuss? You satisfied my grievances with the answers you provided

Oh no, America using ideas that Europe is using, how ****ing aweful. Socialism in America is the worst thing ever. How dare the government help it's people.

Giving money to new born babies is great. Then you guys can actually get decent homes, education, healthcare, etc.

Way to go Hillary.

Originally posted by Syren
What was there to discuss? You satisfied my grievances with the answers you provided just teasing.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Oh no, America using ideas that Europe is using, how ****ing aweful. Socialism in America is the worst thing ever. How dare the government help it's people.

Giving money to new born babies is great. Then you guys can actually get decent homes, education, healthcare, etc.

Way to go Hillary.

It may be copying, but its for the greater good.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

"but but but lets not look at this problem..lets instead try and divert attention over to the problems republicans cause, because that is a very valid argument!"

Keep your socialism bullshit out of this country.

Originally posted by Strangelove
This part didn't make any sense.
It'd be pretty easy to implement. $20 billion is chump change to the government.

lol chump change..just more money coming out of my pocket.

Originally posted by KidRock
"but but but lets not look at this problem..lets instead try and divert attention over to the problems republicans cause, because that is a very valid argument!"

Keep your socialism bullshit out of this country. I was pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument. $20 billion is nothing compared to military action such as in Iraq. And giving money to American children does not help illegal immigrants.

I think that it's a fine idea.

Originally posted by Strangelove

I think that it's a fine idea.

Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes. They could get paid for pretty easily by rolling back the tax cuts for the rich that Bush passed.

Originally posted by Syren
Just sayin' ermm

There's no guarantee the money given freely would be used positively. Don't be blinded by patriotism, you know drug use is rife in every country. How many babies a year are born in American alone? Remind me.

I suspect the system would be implemented in a way in which you don't just get given a cheque; the funds would only be usable for certain purpoes.

The not-exactly-comparable UK system they mention is in the form of education vouchers, for example. It's bugger all use if you don't use it for education.

Originally posted by SelphieT
It may be copying, but its for the greater good. Yes, I know it's good.

Originally posted by KidRock
"but but but lets not look at this problem..lets instead try and divert attention over to the problems republicans cause, because that is a very valid argument!"

Keep your socialism bullshit out of this country.



lol chump change..just more money coming out of my pocket. This is a problem? Yeah, helping people live better lives is so evil of those stupid Democrats.

Originally posted by KidRock
Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes. Yeah, that's why Canada, the UK and France have such better healthcare and live longer and better than you guys.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

The neglect to structures such as bridges and mines is not because there is a lack of funds, but due to neglect from state politicians.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
The neglect to structures such as bridges and mines is not because there is a lack of funds, but due to neglect from state politicians. No, it's a lack of funds. There is a too-high percentage of bridges (can't remember the exact number) that are considered "structurally unsound", but the Department of Transportation can't do what it needs to to repair such things because of a lack of federal funds, funds that are being sucked up by this 'adventure' in Iraq.

And I'm sure there's some neglect on the states' side too, but it's largely the federal government.

As if the problem with welfare and people having kids just to get more money wasn't bad enough, let's encourage people to have more kids they can't take care of...

I'm not sure if I'm being cynical or realistic... in either case this sounds like a bad idea that's just begging to be abused to me.

Originally posted by lord xyz


This is a problem? Yeah, helping people live better lives is so evil of those stupid Democrats.



Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives..

Originally posted by KidRock
Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives..

Sounds like a good idea to me ermm

Oh, sorry... was that sarcasm? goofy

Originally posted by lord xyz
This is a problem? Yeah, helping people live better lives is so evil of those stupid Democrats. Not evil, just naive.

The system as it is now is flawed, trowing money at problems doesn't make them go away. Rather than just handing out money like this, how about using that money to make the lives of the people better in other ways?

Originally posted by KidRock
Why don't we give everybody a million dollars and a brand new house then? It will help them live better lives.. Well, that would be crazy. But helping them live is not. Letting them die like the Republicans do is.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not evil, just naive.

The system as it is now is flawed, trowing money at problems doesn't make them go away. Rather than just handing out money like this, how about using that money to make the lives of the people better in other ways? Yes, we should use that money to better their lives in other ways. Helping people is what makes a society stronger, healthier and better. Not keeping the money for yourself.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, that would be crazy. But helping them live is not. Letting them die like the Republicans do is.


Giving them 5,000$ of my money and letting them manipulate the system(which they will) and spend it on drugs will really help them survive.

Originally posted by Syren
Sounds like a good idea to me ermm

Oh, sorry... was that sarcasm? goofy

No, I love the thought of strangling the hard working American with taxes so that the poor can have their money.

I mean..why give someone an incentive to go get a job when they can just get money for free?

Originally posted by KidRock
Giving them 5,000$ of my money and letting them manipulate the system(which they will) and spend it on drugs will really help them survive. Bullshit.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, that would be crazy. But helping them live is not. Letting them die like the Republicans do is.

Yes, we should use that money to better their lives in other ways. Helping people is what makes a society stronger, healthier and better. Not keeping the money for yourself. Money is a tool which is used to aquire the things we need. Simply handing them the money allows them to aquire the things they want rather than the things they need.

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time, give a man money for fish, he'll blow it on hookers and booze.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Bullshit. No wonder you think this is a good idea, you're ignorant of human nature and how humans exploit systems like this. This incentive will encourage people to have babies for the free money. You don't think so? Then I suggest you crawl out of the cave you're living in and take a look at the real world.


Exploitation based off of human greed:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ FOSTER+CARE+CASH+COW+'PERVERSE+INCENTIVE+FACTOR'+R
EWARDS+COUNTY+FOR...-a0111040679
http://www.projo.com/news/content/temporary_ssn_09-09-07_316890I.26689c7.html
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/06/07/children-missing-from-foster-care/
http://www.nccpr.org/newissues/12.html

Originally posted by Creshosk
Money is a tool which is used to aquire the things we need. Simply handing them the money allows them to aquire the things they want rather than the things they need.

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time, give a man money for fish, he'll blow it on hookers and booze.

Based on what?

If they CAN do both, why do you assume it will go the way that favours you? Just curious.

-AC

Originally posted by Strangelove
You're bitching about $20 billion a year, KidRock? Then man, you must really be pissed about the $106.75 billion per year we've been wasting in Iraq. Without that, we could repair our bridges, fix our mine network, properly respond to natural disasters like hurricanes, all sorts of other things that are more of a danger to our national security than Iraq.

And for your information, babies born in the United States aren't illegal immigrants.

AHH hhahahaha. I love the bold part especially. You make not only a good point with the national budget, you also have an awesome sig.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Based on what?

If they CAN do both, why do you assume it will go the way that favours you? Just curious.

-AC I'm either cynacial.. or realistic.

Too many storys of abuses to various systems set up.

Give money for an event happening and people wil increase that event happening. People becoming foster parents just for the money, like the woman in florida who duct taped her foster kid to a high chair. Free money for the woman and don't need to worry about the kid.

People having more kids just for the larger welfare checks.

Social workers for DCFS deeming parents unfit because it puts more children into the foster care system, so they get more money... even if the kids weren't in danger.

If a system gives out money, and the system can be exploited, people will find a way to exploit that system.

Hmm... guess I'll have to raise my quota for baby killing...

Hey! I was a baby once. I deserve my fair share. So where is my money bitchez?

Originally posted by KidRock
Well to each their own I guess. If this ever does get passed it will be a sad day in America..and if Hilary Hitler gets elected and also brings universal health care to America we will get raped even more by the taxes.

Do you recall all the times you've criticized people for making the ridiculous "Bush is Hitler" comments? Why employ your own version of that lazy tactic?

As for the program, I think it's more effective to address why these kids can't afford college or descent homes, BEFORE you start paying for them. Make a dollar worth something again, and pay a living wage for the work people do.

But, I imagine many of the very same people who'd oppose this "baby bonds" idea, will also say that paying American employees a living wage will bankrupt small buisness; all the while ignoring the fact that the last 7 years have been a total disaster for small American buisness.

Originally posted by Devil King
Do you recall all the times you've criticized people for making the ridiculous "Bush is Hitler" comments? Why employ your own version of that lazy tactic?

As for the program, I think it's more effective to address why these kids can't afford college or descent homes, BEFORE you start paying for them. Make a dollar worth something again, and pay a living wage for the work people do.

But, I imagine many of the very same people who'd oppose this "baby bonds" idea, will also say that paying American employees a living wage will bankrupt small buisness; all the while ignoring the fact that the last 7 years have been a total disaster for small American buisness. Or factor it in. "The last seven years had been terrible for you, now we're going to make it harder on you by forcing you to pay more money out. Because we like the idea of inflation skyrocketing through the roof, as we don't understand economics one measely smidgen! As we're the naive democrats who want to make the world a better place by throwing money at our problems!"

considering its an 18 year government bond, its hardly "throwing money away"

:edited:

Where the **** are we going to get the money?
These idea's are good; but I think the economy and the dollar should be stabalized first before putting another ridiculous strain on US Citizens.

we could start by not dumping exponentially more money into iraq.
in fact it amazes me that people would rather see it invested in a quagmire than have a fraction of it invested in america's youth.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Money is a tool which is used to aquire the things we need. Simply handing them the money allows them to aquire the things they want rather than the things they need.

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time, give a man money for fish, he'll blow it on hookers and booze.

No wonder you think this is a good idea, you're ignorant of human nature and how humans exploit systems like this. This incentive will encourage people to have babies for the free money. You don't think so? Then I suggest you crawl out of the cave you're living in and take a look at the real world.


Exploitation based off of human greed:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ FOSTER+CARE+CASH+COW+'PERVERSE+INCENTIVE+FACTOR'+R
EWARDS+COUNTY+FOR...-a0111040679
http://www.projo.com/news/content/temporary_ssn_09-09-07_316890I.26689c7.html
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/06/07/children-missing-from-foster-care/
http://www.nccpr.org/newissues/12.html Look, when you're sick, or hungry, you're natural instinct is to buy money on the things you need to survive. People aren't that ****ing stupid. When I'm hungry I eat. If I can't get food, and someone gives me the oppurtunity to get food, I take that oppurtunity. Everyone does. You're being too conservative about this.

Originally posted by Dreamt
Where the **** are we going to get the money?
These idea's are good; but I think the economy and the dollar should be stabalized first before putting another ridiculous strain on US Citizens. When a Democrat gets into power in the US, things go right almost automatically. Carter, Clinton, Roosevelt. Everything advanced and got cleaned up. They will have enough money. Especially since they're smart enough to fight a war.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Look, when you're sick, or hungry, you're natural instinct is to buy money on the things you need to survive. People aren't that ****ing stupid. When I'm hungry I eat. If I can't get food, and someone gives me the oppurtunity to get food, I take that oppurtunity. Everyone does. You're being too conservative about this. And when the person has an addicrtion to feed?

Nah, you're just being naive.

Again. It would not just be a blank cheque. You wouldn't be able to use it except for the purposes it is designed for.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again. It would not just be a blank cheque. You wouldn't be able to use it except for the purposes it is designed for. Unfortunately, when people are wrong, they ignore spot-on responces like yours earlier in the thread.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again. It would not just be a blank cheque. You wouldn't be able to use it except for the purposes it is designed for. And you think that people won't find a way to exploit the system?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Unfortunately, when people are wrong, they ignore spot-on responces like yours earlier in the thread. durwank

Originally posted by lord xyz
When a Democrat gets into power in the US, things go right almost automatically. Carter, Clinton, Roosevelt. Everything advanced and got cleaned up. They will have enough money. Especially since they're smart enough to fight a war. Reagen?

So a few months of diapers, then what? The parents go out and look for jobs?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Children born in the United States are more likely to go to college than become drug users ermm

And where do you live?

Originally posted by chithappens
And where do you live?
His location says "The Nearest Graveyard," so maybe he's from Iraq.

Come to think about it...my dead relatives were once babies too. hmm

I should inherit the money. Where is ma Five Thou joo bitchez?

Originally posted by Dreamt
Reagen? He was an idiot, no doubt there. The war being won was mostly due to the fall of the Soviet Union, and other people working in government. Reagan, if anything, read lines and looked good.

Originally posted by lord xyz
He was an idiot, no doubt there. The war being won was mostly due to the fall of the Soviet Union, and other people working in government. Reagan, if anything, read lines and looked good. durfist

Originally posted by Creshosk
durfist Why do people post that when they can't think of something worth replying with?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why do people post that when they can't think of something worth replying with? Because it sums up my response in symbolism pretty well.

Your post was challenged quite well, and in response you attempted a mindless attack with more than a bit of evident hostility.

dur Your post was inane
nonefist There was an evident level of hostility.

There for:
dur+nonefist=durfist


Large egos ftw!

durw00t

(and I mention large egos based on your assumption that the silie was meaningless)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Come to think about it...my dead relatives were once babies too. hmm

I should inherit the money. Where is ma Five Thou joo bitchez?

That's my only real problem with it. Where was it when I was a kid?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Come to think about it...my dead relatives were once babies too. hmm

I should inherit the money. Where is ma Five Thou joo bitchez?



Oh, dear... hug

Originally posted by lord xyz
Reagan, if anything, read lines and looked good.

Well he was an actor.

plus he had alzeimers. that must have been awesome. imagine waking up every morning for 8 years and learning that you're president of the united states?

speaking of Hilary and alzeimers, my grandma who has alzeimers thinks Hilary has a demon in her.


just thought ya'll should know that tasty bit of info

Originally posted by lord xyz
He was an idiot, no doubt there. The war being won was mostly due to the fall of the Soviet Union, and other people working in government. Reagan, if anything, read lines and looked good. Half the presidents you've named do the same thing.

Originally posted by chithappens
And where do you live? I didn't see this...

I live in America. Indiana, to be specific.

Originally posted by Schecter
plus he had alzeimers. that must have been awesome. imagine waking up every morning for 8 years and learning that you're president of the united states? He didn't develop Alzheimer's until after his presidency

Originally posted by Strangelove
He didn't develop Alzheimer's until after his presidency
yes yes
thanks for ruining my joke. i hate you

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well he was an actor. Which is why they picked him.

Originally posted by Dreamt
Half the presidents you've named do the same thing. But they atleast do what they were campaigning for.

Clinton campaigned to get the US out of debt. He did.
Roosevelt campaigned to help through the depression, he did.
Carter campaigned for energy and education, which would have worked if it wasn't for Reagan.

Bush campaigned for lower taxes and a stronger national defense. His first two lies.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Bush campaigned for lower taxes and a stronger national defense. His first two lies. Depends on interpretation. Technically he gave out some tax cuts...

And going by the old adage of "The best defense is a strong offense." Well he HAS made the country offensive..

Originally posted by Strangelove
He didn't develop Alzheimer's until after his presidency

actually... i believe he started developing symptoms toward the end of his second term.

Originally posted by Schecter
plus he had alzeimers. that must have been awesome. imagine waking up every morning for 8 years and learning that you're president of the united states? I think the current president faces that... too bad there's the lack of comprehension as to what that actually means.

Originally posted by Schecter
actually... i believe he started developing symptoms toward the end of his second term.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But they atleast do what they were campaigning for.

Clinton campaigned to get the US out of debt. He did.
Roosevelt campaigned to help through the depression, he did.
Carter campaigned for energy and education, which would have worked if it wasn't for Reagan.

Bush campaigned for lower taxes and a stronger national defense. His first two lies. You're developing KidRock syndrome.

Originally posted by Schecter
actually... i believe he started developing symptoms toward the end of his second term. So you admit it wasn't for 8 years of presidency.

Originally posted by Dreamt
You're developing KidRock syndrome. I don't know waht that is, but it sounds bad. Nice way to avoid addressing me though.

Originally posted by lord xyz
So you admit it wasn't for 8 years of presidency. Strangelove already killed his joke, please don't beat that dead horpse anymore.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Depends on interpretation. Technically he gave out some tax cuts...

And going by the old adage of "The best defense is a strong offense." Well he HAS made the country offensive.. To a half-wit, that's a nice way of getting around it...To a full-wit, it's distortion of the truth. Interesting bias. The press distort every president, however, with Bush, they distort him to make him look good.

Originally posted by lord xyz
So you admit it wasn't for 8 years of presidency.


to state the contrary would have made the joke far less funny...like...you

Originally posted by lord xyz
To a half-wit, that's a nice way of getting around it...To a full-wit, it's distortion of the truth. Interesting bias. The press distort every president, however, with Bush, they distort him to make him look good. Which part of my post made him look good? The selective tax cuts or the marring of America's reputation?

Did you seriously not pick up on the attacks on him using him fulfilling his campaign promises like the djinn form wishmaster?

Originally posted by Schecter
to state the contrary would have made the joke far less funny...like...you I am very funny. No need to shout abusive fallacies.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which part of my post made him look good? The selective tax cuts or the marring of America's reputation?

Did you seriously not pick up on the attacks on him using him fulfilling his campaign promises like the djinn form wishmaster? Yeah I did. I was just saying it was a nice way of getting round it. Didn't mean to sound as if I thought you were trying to defend him. Maybe it's just my general tone.

Re-read my post, and imagine I'm smiling.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I am very funny. No need to shout abusive fallacies.How about shouting abusive phalluses?

Originally posted by Schecter
actually... i believe he started developing symptoms toward the end of his second term. Possibly. That would be hilarious.

Originally posted by Syren
Just sayin' ermm

There's no guarantee the money given freely would be used positively. Don't be blinded by patriotism, you know drug use is rife in every country. How many babies a year are born in American alone? Remind me. Since when is drug use a bad thing? Not to say I think the 5k should be available to spend on drugs.

Originally posted by Dreamt
Reagen? Ah theres a better idea. Lets start selling weapons to both sides of a large-scale war and farming heroin again. It worked out great last time.

Originally posted by lord xyz
When a Democrat gets into power in the US, things go right almost automatically. Carter, Clinton, Roosevelt. Everything advanced and got cleaned up. They will have enough money. Especially since they're smart enough to fight a war.
MYTH: Republicans do good things.

FACT: The economy crashed when Bush was inaugurated.

For that matter, the way I see it--assuming I'm going to be retarded like a certain poster--is that the Republicans were just managing to clean up the problems the Democrats initially caused and then the Democrats took credit for it.

MAKES SENSE 2 ME

Originally posted by Schecter
we could start by not dumping exponentially more money into iraq.
in fact it amazes me that people would rather see it invested in a quagmire than have a fraction of it invested in america's youth.

Great quote. There were a few others but I had to bring back this one considering nobody even attempted to try and refute it.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Great quote. There were a few others but I had to bring back this one considering nobody even attempted to try and refute it. I thought about responding to it, but the only thing I could think of to respond to it was:

http://www.cagle.com/working/070929/keefe.gif

HA!! many times pictures are posted here in a useless and asinine manner, yet occasionally we are graced with a diamond among the coal.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I thought about responding to it, but the only thing I could think of to respond to it was:

http://www.cagle.com/working/070929/keefe.gif

Nice.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I thought about responding to it, but the only thing I could think of to respond to it was:

http://www.cagle.com/working/070929/keefe.gif Change health insurance for low income children to economy, healthcare and every other good thing america needs.

Something as simple as a 5000 dollar investment for each child doesn't seem like a bad idea if its implemented right.

For example, I believe somebody already pointed out that the funds could be reserved for higher education or until the person reaches a certain age. I would say wait until they turn 21 or else make half available at 18 and the other half at 23 or something to that effect.

Also, I think you could expand the uses for those funds for other things like start up costs if they decided to start their own business, or something similar.

I could have really took advantage of something like that would it have been available to me. A plan like this could help young business minded folks feed money back into their local economies. A possible win, win for all.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Something as simple as a 5000 dollar investment for each child doesn't seem like a bad idea if its implemented right.

For example, I believe somebody already pointed out that the funds could be reserved for higher education or until the person reaches a certain age. I would say wait until they turn 21 or else make half available at 18 and the other half at 23 or something to that effect.

Also, I think you could expand the uses for those funds for other things like start up costs if they decided to start their own business, or something similar.

I could have really took advantage of something like that would it have been available to me. A plan like this could help young business minded folks feed money back into their local economies. A possible win, win for all. No, it's stupid communism, Reagan said so. Anything that means helping the people is communism and evil. We mut fight this!!

and dont forget the terrs'sts n mexicans!

Originally posted by Schecter
and dont forget the terrs'sts n mexicans! Yes, Mexicans working for less money forcing white folk not to work is bad. Oh, and fight those terrorists over there, so they can live shit lives aswell, and America doesn't look like a shit country doomed of conservatism. Oh, wait.