Phoenix runs the gauntlet

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Darth_Erebus2
Jean, with the full power of the Phoenix force.

1)Pre Crisis Superman
2)Thanos
3)Odin
4)Uatu
5)The Destroyer that fought the Celestials
6)Arishem
7)Full Powered Tyrant
8)Normal Powered Galactus
9)Eternity

Utrigita
IMO she reaches Eternity and losses

celestialdemon
Stops at one. shifty




Seriously, she gets to Eternity.

Zebedee
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Stops at one. shifty




Seriously, she gets to Eternity.

Anti ginger bird vision for the win (no offense to any ginger people).

guy222
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Jean, with the full power of the Phoenix force.

1)Pre Crisis Superman
2)Thanos
3)Odin
4)Uatu
5)The Destroyer that fought the Celestials
6)Arishem
7)Full Powered Tyrant
8)Normal Powered Galactus
9)Eternity

Jean/Phoenix met Arishem once

Zebedee
Originally posted by guy222
Jean/Phoenix met Arishem once

When was that guy?

guy222
Originally posted by Zebedee
When was that guy?

X Factor #50

I post a few scans smile

starlock
Phoenix clears it

Definetly gets to eternity, then its up in the air..but i think she clears it

Xplosive
Phoenix clears all.

Creshosk
Clears it.

Zebedee
Originally posted by guy222
X Factor #50

I post a few scans smile

Thanks

Kurash
i think she could clear it, eternity might stop her

Barbarian Shams
Phoenix clears it all the way to Eternity where she definitely stops.

batdude123
Stops at 8 or 9.

Creshosk
Originally posted by batdude123
Stops at 8 or 9. This is full power Phoenix Jean, as in the White phoenix of the crown... The one who held a universe in her hands...

Mr Master
Stops at 9, Eternity wins.

Phoenix held a baby Universe in her hands (Reality 15104)

Uatu did the same thing, no biggi.

batdude123
Originally posted by Creshosk
This is full power Phoenix Jean, as in the White phoenix of the crown... The one who held a universe in her hands...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Stops at 9, Eternity wins.

Phoenix held a baby Universe in her hands (Reality 15104)

Uatu did the same thing, no biggi.

Power16
9 for me Big G always has UN as last option.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Mr Master
Stops at 9, Eternity wins.

Phoenix held a baby Universe in her hands (Reality 15104)

Uatu did the same thing, no biggi.

If Uatu did it then it must not be that big a deal. big grin
What the hell is he doing running away from Deathurge with powers like this?

Darth_Erebus2
Originally posted by Power16
9 for me Big G always has UN as last option.

Sorry, already been done on panel. Galactus lasted for about a minute before Phoenix punked him.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Mr Master
Stops at 9, Eternity wins.

Phoenix held a baby Universe in her hands (Reality 15104)

Uatu did the same thing, no biggi. And she was having such difficulty holding the baby universe too..Cause holding a newly formed universe really shows that Eternity can beat her... I mean it was so heavy and she could barely hold it.

Baby universe...roll eyes (sarcastic)

Mr Master
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Sorry, already been done on panel.

Actually Galactus has never used the UN on Phoenix.

Galactus did however use his tech on Phoenix,
the result was Phoenix getting erased from existence.

Luckily, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) Death and the Watcher talked him out of it.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Galactus lasted for about a minute before Phoenix punked him.

You must be referring to this: (Phoenix vs a starving Galactus)


http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1162/g1ha2.th.jpg
"I have NEED of SUSTENANCE"



Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9302/g2qw8.th.jpg
"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"

Mr Master
Originally posted by Creshosk
And she was having such difficulty holding the baby universe too..Cause holding a newly formed universe really shows that Eternity can beat her... I mean it was so heavy and she could barely hold it.

Baby universe...

The actual embodiment of the Phoenix Force (without a Host)
meaning the most powerful version.

Got curbstomped by the Goblin Force.

The 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.

Eternity created the Celestials with a thought.

................................................................................................


Uatu speaks,

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3045/gqai8.th.jpg




http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9743/gq1cy0.th.jpg

"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,

We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,

watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,

and threat Creation itself"



................................................................................................


The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>> The Phoenix Force or Galactus



http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1849/gq2uj9.th.jpg

"We watched as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force and added its Power to its own,

watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,

Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,

their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"

................................................................................................


No need for just Facts. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Sundipped
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Galactus has never used the UN on Phoenix.

Galactus did however use his tech on Phoenix,
the result was Phoenix getting erased from existence.

Luckily, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) Death and the Watcher talked him out of it.



You must be referring to this: (Phoenix vs a starving Galactus)


http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1162/g1ha2.th.jpg
"I have NEED of SUSTENANCE"



Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9302/g2qw8.th.jpg
"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"

That quote "You have not the strength to continue this conflict" came after she 1 shotted him. Galactus was weak but this was also a weak PF version. JeanPF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RachaelPF.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
The actual embodiment of the Phoenix Force (without a Host)
meaning the most powerful version.

Got curbstomped by the Goblin Force.

The 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.

Eternity created the Celestials with a thought.

................................................................................................


Uatu speaks,

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3045/gqai8.th.jpg




http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9743/gq1cy0.th.jpg

"We are the Watchers, we observe, we Know that which the Goblin Entity is capable of,

We were there, at the Birth of the Universe, and witnessed the Goblin Entity begin,

watched as the blight of the Goblin Entity spread across the ever expanding Universe,

and threat Creation itself"



................................................................................................


The 5 Host of Celestails >>>>>> The Phoenix Force or Galactus



http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1849/gq2uj9.th.jpg

"We watched as it DEVOURED the Phoenix Force and added its Power to its own,

watched as Galactus himself fell before it's Power,

Only when the Fifth Host of Celestials stood before its Power was the Goblin Entity halted,

their great Race devastated, they managed to diminish its Power and contain it"

................................................................................................


No need for just Facts. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Lets not forget that we actually know nothing about that particular fight which involved the Goblin Force and the 5 fth celestial Host.

guy222
Originally posted by Utrigita
Lets not forget that we actually know nothing about that particular fight which involved the Goblin Force and the 5 fth celestial Host.

Here's a hint

The next host is the most powerful. Wait and see smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by Sundipped
That quote "You have not the strength to continue this conflict"

came after she 1 shotted him.

"One shotted him?"

More like THREE Shots!

....................................................................................................

Phoenix (Rachel Summers who MERGED/became One with the Force)

vs a STARVING Galactus:



They meet:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6191/93991103rb1.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


Hit one!


Phoenix attacks first,

she explodes Galactus' converter and blows Galactus away:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4415/25924830zz4.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


Galactus goes down on one knee, gets back up and attacks Phoenix,

Phoenix blocks his attack:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5041/35164499gc8.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


Hit Two!


Phoenix lets out a omni-blast,

Galactus blocks the attack:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6636/34956113ou1.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


Galactus strikes again,

Phoenix again blocks Galactus' attack:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/141/72490470cr8.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


Hit Three!


Phoenix strikes Galactus in the face with a uni-blast:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9896/42636245cr8.th.jpg

....................................................................................................


STARVING Galactus finally goes down,

this is when Phoenix makes her quote:

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2079/49509732zo1.th.jpg
"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"


Originally posted by Sundipped
Galactus was weak but this was also a weak PF version. JeanPF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RachaelPF.

Actually on panel, the Rachel that fought that STARVING Galactus

was everything Jean became afterwards:


The Phoenix Force tells Rachel:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4920/f2bj2.th.jpg

"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"




... Again ....




The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6269/f5uk4.th.jpg

"You are the ONE TRUE Phoenix"

....................................................................................................


Rachel was never weak,

in fact,

Rachel = Jean

Like mother, like daughter.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
Lets not forget that we actually know nothing about that particular fight which involved the Goblin Force and the 5 fth celestial Host.

Let's remember that we do Know that,
the Goblin Force devoured and absorbed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force,

and the 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.

How the 5th Host defeated the Goblin Force is inconsequential,
the Watcher didn't speculate about it, neither should we.

5th Host > Goblin Force >>> Phoenix Force, period. smile

Hannibal-Lector
Not to argue with your last statement but i heard somewhere Rachel only used a small fraction of the force through out her Phoenix career (which was still massively powerful)

Mr Master
Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Not to argue with your last statement but i heard somewhere Rachel only used a small fraction of the force through out her Phoenix career (which was still massively powerful)

Don't believe the hype, alot of fallacious rumors have been made about Phoenix.

Like Phoenix preserving Galactus during his incubation. laughing

And many more, but that's not what the thread is about.

Unless it's stated on panel, it's just empty bravado.

guy222
Originally posted by Zebedee
Thanks

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/x_factor__050_page_26-3db48195a1.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/x_factor__050_page_27-00744d723b.jpg

Harry Fingerman
Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity created the Celestials with a thought.
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9818/eternityhm5.th.jpg

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
Let's remember that we do Know that,
the Goblin Force devoured and absorbed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force,

and the 5th Host of Celestials defeated the Goblin Force.

How the 5th Host defeated the Goblin Force is inconsequential,
the Watcher didn't speculate about it, neither should we.

5th Host > Goblin Force >>> Phoenix Force, period. smile

Sorry but its in no way inconsequential how the Goblin force was defeated by the Celestials.

As shown above Galactus lost to the Phoenix Force in a direct confrontation but we still have a showing of him trapping the force with his tech thereforce I doesn't make the statement that Galactus>>>the Phoenix.

Also Uatu Clearly says "they Managed to contain it" doesn't sound like a regular ***** slapping to me. Also that Jean with a small fraction of the force managed to blow away Arishems hand is impressive then having the same energy but at a unlimited degree must be alot more damaging.

Also the fact that the Goblin Force manages to absorb a beings energy doesn't make it more powerful then the Force. laughing out loud its turning in to a GS post laughing

Actually I'm just arguing for Galactus > A Celestial big grin

Sundipped
Originally posted by Mr Master
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That was only an attack on the converter. It was not even directed towards Galactus. Now that I look at it, it made Galactus look even worse by falling from an indirect attack.



This was not an attack. This was just a flareup or display of power letting u know Rachael is getting serious. It does look like an awesome display of power and I can see how u could assume it was an attack but it wasn't.




Correct.



No this was hit 1. The first hit. The infamous 1 shot.
....................................................................................................




Correct. The 1 shot zapped the remaining energy he had.



I have to disagree. White Crown Phoenix Jean>>>>Dark Phoenix>>> Jean>>>Phoenix Force Rachel. Rachel never reached the level Jean was due to her inexperience. Emma punked her out in a tp battle. This wouldn't have happened to any Jean incarnation.



I don't take this into context seriously. IMO this is nothing more than an initiation speech.
....................................................................................................


Not quite. Jean>Rachael

Creshosk
Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't believe the hype, alot of fallacious rumors have been made about Phoenix. Most of them by you.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't take this into context seriously. IMO this is nothing more than an initiation speech. Yeah, looking at endsong it was clear that the PF isn't even aware when another is one with it.

More of Mr. Master's BS really.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry but its in no way inconsequential how the Goblin force was defeated by the Celestials.

5th Host of Celestials > Govlin Force >>> Phoenix Force.

You can always email Marvel and complain, but it is what it is.

Originally posted by Utrigita
As shown above Galactus lost to the Phoenix Force in a direct confrontation

Yea, he was Starving.

Originally posted by Utrigita
but we still have a showing of him trapping the force with his tech thereforce I doesn't make the statement that Galactus>>>the Phoenix.

That was a normal Galactus.

And I never said Galactus > Phoenix

but cats shouldn't bring up Rachel (who was One with the embodiment of the Force)
defeating a Hungry Galactus as evidence of Phoenix > Galactus either.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also Uatu Clearly says "they Managed to contain it" doesn't sound like a regular ***** slapping to me.

It was defeated, bottomline.

While the same Goblin Force first devoured
then absrobed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also that Jean with a small fraction of the force managed to blow away Arishems hand is impressive then having the same energy but at a unlimited degree must be alot more damaging.

Arishem didn't even feel that.

And Thor balsted a hole through Exitar armor with his hammer, and again, it wasn't felt.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also the fact that the Goblin Force manages to absorb a beings energy doesn't make it more powerful then the Force.

Nah, the fact that it was devoured First though, does.

Originally posted by Utrigita
its turning in to a GS post

ehwtf

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually I'm just arguing for Galactus > A Celestial

It's plausible.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Mr Master
ehwtf Isn't it great? in GS's absence you're becoming the new GS.

guy222
Arishem doesn't notice Thor

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_387_17-a94af46740.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_387_18-8181b5e80d.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_387_19-4bfb388405.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_387_20-410b51ef13.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/thor_387_21-2c6d7f4568.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by Sundipped
That was only an attack on the converter. It was not even directed towards Galactus. Now that I look at it, it made Galactus look even worse by falling from an indirect attack.

Exactly, he was Starving.

Rachel blew his converter and he was struck by the explosion.

Originally posted by Sundipped
This was not an attack. This was just a flareup or display of power letting u know Rachael is getting serious.

Really?

Where is that stated?

Originally posted by Sundipped
It does look like an awesome display of power and I can see how u could assume it was an attack but it wasn't.

You're willfully ignoring on panel art, cool.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Correct.

No doubt.

Originally posted by Sundipped
No this was hit 1. The first hit. The infamous 1 shot.

In your opinion, and it's respected right or wrong.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Correct. The 1 shot zapped the remaining energy he had.

You see one, I see Two direct hits, and one indirect hit = 3. smile

Originally posted by Sundipped
I have to disagree. White Crown Phoenix Jean>>>>Dark Phoenix>>> Jean>>>Phoenix Force Rachel.

What has WPOTC done, that Phoenix Back in day hasn't?

In fact, even an Alternate Phoenix has been more impressive than WPOTC.

An Alternate Phoenix (in a What IF) actually consumed an Alternate Universe.

WPOTC held a 150 year old Universe in her hands. (a Baby)

Uatu did the same thing with a Baby Universe too.


WPOTC has NEVER Destroyed, Remade or Created a single Universe.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Rachel never reached the level Jean was due to her inexperience.

So you say.

Where is this stated?

On Panel the embodiment of the PF said:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4920/f2bj2.th.jpg

"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"


So is the Force lying you're saying?

How convenient in order to dismiss the On Panel evidence.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Emma punked her out in a tp battle.
This wouldn't have happened to any Jean incarnation.

Don't make me bring out the embodiment of the PF (Hostless)
MORE powerful than Jean getting stomped by an Alien Ship,
or 6 Heroes,
or Magneto who blew the embodiment of the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces .

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't take this into context seriously.
IMO this is nothing more than an initiation speech.

Of course,

cause it states On Panel a fact you dislike.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Not quite. Jean>Rachael

As you wish.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Creshosk
Most of them by you.

Soundless accusations.

Originally posted by Creshosk
More of Mr. Master's BS really.

An irrelevant and direct insult, unprovoked.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Isn't it great? in GS's absence you're becoming the new GS.

I took you off ignore yesterday cause we were having a cool convo,

but you're back to this, and I'm not going to be pulled into it.

Now reply with another snide remark or whatever, who cares.


Nice knowing ya!

Creshosk
Originally posted by Mr Master
Soundless accusations. Obviously because they're in text.

Originally posted by Mr Master
An irrelevant and direct insult, unprovoked. Not a direct insult to you, just a disagreement with your opinions.



Originally posted by Mr Master
I took you off ignore yesterday cause we were having a cool convo,Oh, that makes sense.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but you're back to this, and I'm not going to be pulled into it.That's fine.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now reply with another snide remark or whatever, who cares. Only cause I'm hurting inside... I'll admit it. I'm hurting and I'm just taking my frustrations out on those around me.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice knowing ya! Pity I can't say the same.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Creshosk
Obviously because they're in text.

There's more than one meaning to "Sound"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not a direct insult to you, just a disagreement with your opinions.

Accusing me of BS without proof is an insult Cresh,
(then you add "just more of" as though I'm known for it) which isn't true.

Couldn't you just say I disagree, it's a valid and respectable opinion.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, that makes sense.

I peeked into your post out of curiosity because of the mayhem in that thread,
I saw your appealing smilie, I made a conversation out of it,
I found out some interesting things about you and all was fine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's fine.

Or we could just be cool kmc peers. I like that better.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Only cause I'm hurting inside... I'll admit it.
I'm hurting and I'm just taking my frustrations out on those around me.

Why?

You're in the midst of raising a company, or already have,
you're obviously intelligent,
I seen your pic, I'm sure you do well with ladies, and your talented.

Ah, then again, those objective virtues don't bring happiness so I feel you.

Christ gave me fulfillment I never thought possible,
imo, that is the only key to true joy, a sense of true purpose,
living life with a meaning that has substance,
knowing that the finality of all this pain and suffering going on in the world
is not illogical injustice. That there's a divine reasoning behind it, and every individual realizes it in their own way (one on one with God)
And that's on a general/broad perspective,
on a personal note, I noticed how the pressures of life began diminishing,
even if they're there in the physical sense, emotionally/psychologically I'm a wonder man,
a God-like existence awaits all those who endure the madness of this Earth bound existence.

I don't know where your spiritual beliefs are at,
but mine are cemented in the Bible,
no church or man or organized religion can sway me,
strickly the word of God, nothing and nobody else,
and I pray that He gives me the wisdom to understand His words, but since I believe my mind/consciousness is guided by the Holy Spirit (God's Spirit)
I have to believe that my interpretation, concerning the Word. (for me personally) is right.

And I've fallen many times, even knowing I was doing wrong,
I don't need to detail my horrible decisions,
but I was a wretched sinner undeserving of anything granted to me by God,
and I'm still weak,
yet, in knowing this and accepting/admitting this truth, my inner humility has surfaced,
now at least, giving me a road to follow, where perhaps I'll be able to become worthy,
not only of God's forgiveness (which will give me salvation) but of my own,
granting me hope which leads to unfathomable delight.

Our right is to become children of God,
of course, in freewill we must choose to accept this gift,
and the promise from Christ's own words are, that we are "gods" (John 10:33-35)
we are destined to become "gods" in the next and last eternal existence,
where anything and everything will be a thought away. (Matthew 17:20)


Wow, the word gives me energy, pardon the monologue,
but I don't enjoy knowing anyone is hurting, especially one with such potential.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Pity I can't say the same.

Before I was susceptible, and I became defensive,
but I am glad that I did know this and was able to share that with you.

Goodnight, and if you ever wanna talk, my PM is there,
and you will always be welcomed.

Mordum
My new yamaha r6 gives me joy.

guy222
Originally posted by Mordum
My new yamaha r6 gives me joy.

My '99 GSXR1300 Hayabusa Turbo is very fast smile

Mordum
My twin turbo 06 350z kill babies when i turn it on.

guy222
Originally posted by Mordum
My twin turbo 06 350z kill babies when i turn it on.

Its fun getting to places real fast

How much horsepower does ur Z have

Mordum
pushing 500+ havent tested it lately focused on my new bike for now.

guy222
Originally posted by Mordum
pushing 500+ havent tested it lately focused on my new bike for now.

is it faster than ur bike

i keep the boost real low on the busa

its fun blowing away high dollar cars big grin

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
5th Host of Celestials > Govlin Force >>> Phoenix Force.

You can always email Marvel and complain, but it is what it is.



Yea, he was Starving.



That was a normal Galactus.

And I never said Galactus > Phoenix

but cats shouldn't bring up Rachel (who was One with the embodiment of the Force)
defeating a Hungry Galactus as evidence of Phoenix > Galactus either.



It was defeated, bottomline.

While the same Goblin Force first devoured
then absrobed the embodiment of the Phoenix Force.



Arishem didn't even feel that.

And Thor balsted a hole through Exitar armor with his hammer, and again, it wasn't felt.



Nah, the fact that it was devoured First though, does.



ehwtf



It's plausible.

I think I will do that wink

He was yes.

Okay just thought you where using this 5th Celestial Host > Goblin Force > Phoenix Force > Galactus

when we don't know Galactus powerlevels during his confrontation with the Goblin Force, he could have been starving as well. But you said yourself Normal Galactus > Phoenix so thumb up

It was yes all I'm saying is that we know nothing about the way it was defeated. The Celestials could have used there tech against it like there Tech obviously worked against Protego :rolleeyes: but its canon, so if going by that thought then the Celestials have Tech that can bind a LT level Character (that know shit about his powers) so the Goblin Force shouldn't if we follow that thought be a problem.

No but the situation remains that small fractions of the Phoenix force is capable of hurting Arishem he is the leader of the 5th host.

So if I Devour I lion I >>> That Lion???

Yes it is

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think I will do that

Cool.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He was yes.

I agree.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay just thought you where using this 5th Celestial Host > Goblin Force > Phoenix Force > Galactus

Imo,

616 Galactus,
at the infamous & mysterious "full power" scale = Eternity's Totality (Multiverse)

That's who Galan merged with, actually, I'm wrong about that,
Galan merged with the dying Sentience of the Previous Universe (IB)
hmm, I never really focused on that,
can this mean that Galactus potentially = the original IB?

Don't wanna go there but it's a thought.

Actually I doubt that,

it's more likely that although the IB merged with Galan, (a fact)
it was only in order to create a balanced New Marvel Universe, (Eternity)
that the IB was Not a Part of.

This is why the IB imbued the 7 Gems with its power & consciousness,
in order to possibly exist in this New Marvel Universe, and yet, be Apart from it.
Unlikew the previous Universe, where the IB was everything, and all creation in it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
when we don't know Galactus powerlevels during his confrontation with the Goblin Force, he could have been starving as well.

It's not inconceivable, so I'll agree, that is possible concerning Galactus.

But the embodiment of the Phoenix Force's power doesn't fluxuate,
and it was stomped.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But you said yourself Normal Galactus > Phoenix so thumb up

Yea, Phoenix herself stated that Galactus was her equal:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2812/f2ie5.th.jpg




but Galactus said, that WITH TIME,

"he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/f3ie9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
It was yes all I'm saying is that we know nothing about the way it was defeated.

Cool, but like I said, the bottomline is, that it was defeated by the 5th Host.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The Celestials could have used there tech against it like there Tech obviously worked against Protego but its canon, so if going by that thought then the Celestials have Tech that can bind a LT level Character (that know shit about his powers) so the Goblin Force shouldn't if we follow that thought be a problem.

Yea but look at how Scathan used his "tech"

He didn't go somewhere to fetch it, he didn't have it in his back pocket,
he gestured with his finger, and Protege was neutralized with the tech.

So if a Celestial can instantaneously produce tech
and attack with said tech with a gesture,
to me, imo,
that's no different than the power being manifested dierectly from the Celestial.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No but the situation remains that small fractions of the Phoenix force is capable of hurting Arishem he is the leader of the 5th host.

I don't know who's the leader of the 5th Host, but I'll look into it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So if I Devour I lion I >>> That Lion???

This real world analogy isn't the same thing Ut, come on.

Obviously the PF was stomped (devoured) then absorbed (eaten)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes it is

Yea, I agree.

Astner
Stops at Galactus or possibly Tyrant.

guy222
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.



I agree.



Imo,

616 Galactus,
at the infamous & mysterious "full power" scale = Eternity's Totality (Multiverse)

That's who Galan merged with, actually, I'm wrong about that,
Galan merged with the dying Sentience of the Previous Universe (IB)
hmm, I never really focused on that,
can this mean that Galactus potentially = the original IB?

Don't wanna go there but it's a thought.

Actually I doubt that,

it's more likely that although the IB merged with Galan, (a fact)
it was only in order to create a balanced New Marvel Universe, (Eternity)
that the IB was Not a Part of.

This is why the IB imbued the 7 Gems with its power & consciousness,
in order to possibly exist in this New Marvel Universe, and yet, be Apart from it.
Unlikew the previous Universe, where the IB was everything, and all creation in it.



It's not inconceivable, so I'll agree, that is possible concerning Galactus.

But the embodiment of the Phoenix Force's power doesn't fluxuate,
and it was stomped.



Yea, Phoenix herself stated that Galactus was her equal:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2812/f2ie5.th.jpg




but Galactus said, that WITH TIME,

"he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/f3ie9.th.jpg



Cool, but like I said, the bottomline is, that it was defeated by the 5th Host.



Yea but look at how Scathan used his "tech"

He didn't go somewhere to fetch it, he didn't have it in his back pocket,
he gestured with his finger, and Protege was neutralized with the tech.

So if a Celestial can instantaneously produce tech
and attack with said tech with a gesture,
to me, imo,
that's no different than the power being manifested dierectly from the Celestial.



I don't know who's the leader of the 5th Host, but I'll look into it.



This real world analogy isn't the same thing Ut, come on.

Obviously the PF was stomped (devoured) then absorbed (eaten)



Yea, I agree.

Arishem the Judge is the leader smile

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.



I agree.



Imo,

616 Galactus,
at the infamous & mysterious "full power" scale = Eternity's Totality (Multiverse)

That's who Galan merged with, actually, I'm wrong about that,
Galan merged with the dying Sentience of the Previous Universe (IB)
hmm, I never really focused on that,
can this mean that Galactus potentially = the original IB?

Don't wanna go there but it's a thought.

Actually I doubt that,

it's more likely that although the IB merged with Galan, (a fact)
it was only in order to create a balanced New Marvel Universe, (Eternity)
that the IB was Not a Part of.

This is why the IB imbued the 7 Gems with its power & consciousness,
in order to possibly exist in this New Marvel Universe, and yet, be Apart from it.
Unlikew the previous Universe, where the IB was everything, and all creation in it.



It's not inconceivable, so I'll agree, that is possible concerning Galactus.

But the embodiment of the Phoenix Force's power doesn't fluxuate,
and it was stomped.



Yea, Phoenix herself stated that Galactus was her equal:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2812/f2ie5.th.jpg




but Galactus said, that WITH TIME,

"he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/f3ie9.th.jpg



Cool, but like I said, the bottomline is, that it was defeated by the 5th Host.



Yea but look at how Scathan used his "tech"

He didn't go somewhere to fetch it, he didn't have it in his back pocket,
he gestured with his finger, and Protege was neutralized with the tech.

So if a Celestial can instantaneously produce tech
and attack with said tech with a gesture,
to me, imo,
that's no different than the power being manifested dierectly from the Celestial.



I don't know who's the leader of the 5th Host, but I'll look into it.



This real world analogy isn't the same thing Ut, come on.

Obviously the PF was stomped (devoured) then absorbed (eaten)



Yea, I agree.

Will try and mention Scathan at the same time mad

Are you suggesting that Galan could somehow if feed enough Potential reach the level of IB????? I find it more possible that he merged with Multieternity.

Its correct about Galactus, and dark Phoenix wasn't as strong as the other versions was she, the same could be said about Phoenix of the White Crown. So there power do shift.

laughing out loud I love those scans they will end up in Galactus respect thread along with the scan from IM's planet gets devoured by Galactus. (if its okay with you)

Yes that correct.

Yeah it was a bad example...

Its arishem, you can clearly see him when the fifth host arrives to witness the Anomoly Maelstrom created.

I know, my bad but stomped... thats normally what happens when Surfer tries to attack Galactus. Thats normallywhat I think about when STOMP is mentioned.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
Are you suggesting that Galan could somehow if feed enough Potential reach the level of IB????? I find it more possible that he merged with Multieternity.

Actaully Galan definitely merged with the previous Universe,
while the previous Universe was dying:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6590/eternitymadeg6zvfs1.th.jpg

The previous Universe was the IB.

But yea like I stated,
I believe it did this in order to create a balanced New Marvel Universe.

So in the end, Galan became Galactus the balance in the New Multiverse.

I'll also add that the so-called 100% Galactus = Multi-Eternity as I also stated already.
(IMO according to reasons)


The Big G equaling the IB was a thought, nothing more Ut.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Its correct about Galactus,

We don't know if Galactus was hungry or not.

But really, that scan was thrown in to prove that,

Celestials > Goblin Force > Phoenix Force

Eternity > Celestials

So Eternity > Phoenix Force. (for the purpose of the thread) smile

Originally posted by Utrigita
and dark Phoenix wasn't as strong as the other versions was she, the same could be said about Phoenix of the White Crown. So there power do shift.

Actually, the power of Avatars may shift,

but that was the embodiment of the Force (Host-less)

that's as powerful as the Phoenix can be.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I love those scans they will end up in Galactus respect thread along with the scan from IM's planet gets devoured by Galactus. (if its okay with you)

Of course, my whole thing here is to share Marvel info,
so yall can spread the knowledge.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Its arishem, you can clearly see him when the fifth host arrives to witness the Anomoly Maelstrom created.

Cool.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I know, my bad but stomped... thats normally what happens when Surfer tries to attack Galactus. Thats normallywhat I think about when STOMP is mentioned.

Right, that's what happened to the embodiment of the Phoenix Force.
meh, getting devoured and absorbed is even worse if you think about it.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Mr Master


Still not a direct attack. Those don't count. This has nothing to do with the fight. Rachel wanted to make sure Galactus dosen't feed as her primary goal. This was not fight related.




"Where is it stated"? Look at the visuals. There are no words written nor is there any evidence of an attack. The Phoenix flares up and Galactus takes a defensive stance.



See above. Now am I the 1 really ignoring on panel art? It is what it is.



You want to see 2 direct hits but there was only 1. There was 1 indirect hit unrelated to the fight.



The WPOTC made adjustments to this "baby universe" while holding it. It would seem to me like she coule obliterate it, without effort if she desired. Especially if it was worthless. Isn't that her job anyway? roll eyes (sarcastic) Give her more apperances, I guarantee more high end feats. I don't care about Uatu doing the same. He ran for his life when Deathurge was instructed to murder him. Dr. Strange has blocked Deathurge's attacks with auto-shields. Any Phoenix version>>>>>>Uatu.



Still nothing more but an initiation speech. I can see this speech given to any new host of the PF. It is a prestigeous honor after all. Now what has PF Rachael done (other than punk Galan, and even Jean did it too in a What If) that put her anywhere close to even Jean as Dark Phoenix?




Complete bullshit and a capital PIS! The Phoenix Force should completely vanquish the ship, heroes, and Mags. Consider this the greatest bullshit high end feat for Mags and everyone involved.



Yeah, you already know where I stand on that.

Creshosk
I remember a what if, where Phoenix didn't kill herself, and that universe was wiped out due to it... Funny that huh?

Harry Fingerman
Originally posted by Creshosk
I remember a what if, where Phoenix didn't kill herself, and that universe was wiped out due to it... Funny that huh? Didn't Wolverine kill pretty much all heroes on Earth in a What-If?

Also, in Mutant X, wasn't that Mutant X version of the Celestials, Galactus, Phoenix, and Goblin Queen?

Creshosk
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Didn't Wolverine kill pretty much all heroes on Earth in a What-If? Two different ones. Three if you count his actions in the one where that universes' phoenix destroyed that universe.

Yes, that hairy midget can be held partly responsible for the destruction of a universe.

Doom and Gloom
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