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Mew!

Originally posted by Remindme
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Thanks.

Mew has always been my favorite legendary Pokemon. Palkia is rising the ranks but Mew is still number 1!!

did the pokermon not start off in the cardgame? or was the game itself first?

Originally posted by Burning thought
did the pokermon not start off in the cardgame? or was the game itself first?

The video game was first introduced in Japan; February 27, 1996
The trading card game was first introduced in Japan; October 15, 1996.

And then the Series began in 1997 if i'm not mistaken

The game was first.

fair enough, Mew is cute, wasnt his card one of the rares, it was either the promo one or Ancient

I don't remember the card game that well. But here's a little fun fact:

The inclusion of Mew into Pokemon Red/Blue was so secret that Nintendo didn't even know about it. Only the developer.

Meh. Although I think it's unique as a character, I've never liked Mew all that much as most others have. Just seems overrated to me (with all the misinformed fans who go "OMG Mew is teh best pogeymans eva!" just because it can learn any TM/HM/move tutor move. What most don't take into account is that its base stats aren't that good compared to most other legendary ubers), though I will be honest as to say Mew's my favorite 'cute' Pokemon, by far.

And yeah. I have 2 of them Ancient Mew cards (along with a regular Mew card I got in a trade that's non-holographic).

As for the video games, while I did use the Lavender Town glitch to attain Mew in Red/Blue, I used Gameshark/Action Replay to get him in the other versions (like I did with Celebi and Deoxys), so sue me.

Expect the base stats are lv. 1 stats and who takes a lv. 1 Mew out to battle? Heck my lv.67 Mew had more HP than my lv.70 Mewtwo

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect the base stats are lv. 1 stats and who takes a lv. 1 Mew out to battle? Heck my lv.67 Mew had more HP than my lv.70 Mewtwo
And my Mewtwo had higher Defense & Special Defense than my Mew (forgot what levels they were at when I checked 'em, but they were at the same level). Your point?

Depending on the nature and IVs (Individual Values) the Pokemon has when caught/obtained (along with all that other complicated 3rd/4th generation stuff), some Pokemon's base stats (regardless of what Pokemon it is) may turn out to be unusually higher or lower than expected (as far as going by the base stats). It varies.

On most occasions though, Mewtwo would indeed have much higher HP than Mew in the end.

Expect that really shouldn't work on legendary considering there's only one each.

But Mew > Mewtwo

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect that really shouldn't work on legendary considering there's only one each.
Not true. It works on them as well.

If someone catches a Groudon on Ruby version for instance, its nature and stats will most likely be different than someone else's Groudon that was caught on another Ruby version, and thus, the 2 Pokemon's overall stats will be way different in the end, when trained to the highest level.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
But Mew > Mewtwo
A clear and perfect example of what I meant by Mew being overrated.

In the anime, they were completely even, but in the games, Mewtwo has higher HP, significantly higher Speed (which equals that of Aerodactyl's, and trust me. that's very fast), and godly Special Attack (the highest possible Special Attack Mewtwo can reach by level 100 if trained correctly is like, 447. Mew's Special Attack can't get anywhere close to that number).

Mew may have the ability to learn any TM/HM/move tutor move, but Mewtwo's base stats give it more of an edge in battle, and while Mewtwo can't learn any TM/HM/etc. like Mew can, it's still capable of learning the moves needed to put Mew's name to shame.

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All and all, I'm not exactly trying to say Mew's weak. Just that he's (or is it she? ) not in the same league as Mewtwo and some of the other uber legendaries. Of course, if you were just expressing your opinion by saying "Mew > Mewtwo", then yeah. You're entitled to thinking that, but if you meant it as an actual fact, then I'm afraid you're wrong. This may be a Mew respect thread, but that's not much of a reason to say things that make Mew look more powerful than it actually is (though needless to say, such is common when people compare Goku and Superman most of the time).

Missingo is secreter than Mew. Anyway, Mew is cool, tho my two fave Legendary Pokemon would be M2 and Ho oh.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Not true. It works on them as well.

If someone catches a Groudon on Ruby version for instance, its nature and stats will most likely be different than someone else's Groudon that was caught on another Ruby version, and thus, the 2 Pokemon's overall stats will be way different in the end, when trained to the highest level.


Here's what I mean. There's suppose to only be one legendary Pokemon per game (only one Mewtwo). If you get Mewtwo in FireRed and someone gets Mewtwo in LeafGreen by default they are the same Mewtwo since there's only one in existence. So how can it have different personalities?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
In the anime, they were completely even, but in the games, Mewtwo has higher HP, significantly higher Speed (which equals that of Aerodactyl's, and trust me. that's very fast), and godly Special Attack (the highest possible Special Attack Mewtwo can reach by level 100 if trained correctly is like, 447. Mew's Special Attack can't get anywhere close to that number).

Mew may have the ability to learn any TM/HM/move tutor move, but Mewtwo's base stats give it more of an edge in battle, and while Mewtwo can't learn any TM/HM/etc. like Mew can, it's still capable of learning the moves needed to put Mew's name to shame.

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All and all, I'm not exactly trying to say Mew's weak. Just that he's (or is it she? ) not in the same league as Mewtwo and some of the other uber legendaries. Of course, if you were just expressing your opinion by saying "Mew > Mewtwo", then yeah. You're entitled to thinking that, but if you meant it as an actual fact, then I'm afraid you're wrong. This may be a Mew respect thread, but that's not much of a reason to say things that make Mew look more powerful than it actually is (though needless to say, such is common when people compare Goku and Superman most of the time).

Expect that Mew has been named the "World's Strongest Pokemon" time and time again in the anime movie and Mewtwo's one desire was to defeat Mew and prove he was the best and yet when it came down to it the fight was a draw. The entire point of them cloning Mew was to make a clone of the World's Strongest Pokemon which is Mew.

If another legendary Pokemon was stronger than Mew than why go through the trouble on trying to clone Mew when you had Lugia, Ho-oh, and the other legendary Pokemon?

Plus considering Mew knows every move it can take out Mewtwo. That's offensive and defensive moves. That's moves that increases speed, defense, attack, as well as moves that would put Mewtwo down!

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Missingo is secreter than Mew. Anyway, Mew is cool, tho my two fave Legendary Pokemon would be M2 and Ho oh.

Wasn't Missingo a glitch?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
"World's Strongest Pokemon" time and time again in the anime movie and Mewtwo's one desire was to defeat Mew and prove he was the best and yet when it came down to it the fight was a draw. And the people that said it then said M2 was greater than Mew.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Missingo is secreter than Mew. Anyway, Mew is cool, tho my two fave Legendary Pokemon would be M2 and Ho oh.
Same here (about the favorite legendaries part).

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Here's what I mean. There's suppose to only be one legendary Pokemon per game (only one Mewtwo). If you get Mewtwo in FireRed and someone gets Mewtwo in LeafGreen by default they are the same Mewtwo since there's only one in existence. So how can it have different personalities?
Oh. Now I see what you're saying.

I guess what I said there caused a bit of a misunderstanding. I wasn't referring to their personalities, just the natures a Pokemon (any Pokemon, legendary or not) gets when caught/obtained. Natures is just one of the game mechanics in the 3rd (R/S/E) and 4th (D/P) generations (i.e. the nature a Pokemon gets when caught/obtained is usually random, and pretty much every nature has both a positive and negative effect on the Pokemon's stats when they level up). You're able to know what nature your Pokemon has just by going to the menu where you look at its stats and stuff.

... yeah. One of those things that tends to get overlooked (Wasn't sure if you knew that though. If you did, good for you. If you didn't, oh well. What I said up above pretty much explains it). Anyhow, moving on...

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect that Mew has been named the "World's Strongest Pokemon" time and time again in the anime movie and Mewtwo's one desire was to defeat Mew and prove he was the best and yet when it came down to it the fight was a draw. The entire point of them cloning Mew was to make a clone of the World's Strongest Pokemon which is Mew.
Yes. I did admit they were equal in the anime.

Since the fight ended in a draw like you said though, I guess that would make them both the world's strongest wouldn't it?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
If another legendary Pokemon was stronger than Mew than why go through the trouble on trying to clone Mew when you had Lugia, Ho-oh, and the other legendary Pokemon?
Well for one thing, they (the scientists) actually had (or discovered) an ancient fossil of Mew, which was what they needed (and used) in their genetic engineering program to make a replica of Mew out of, resulting in Mewtwo.

It wasn't shown anywhere that they had ancient fossils of Lugia, Ho-oh, etc. on the other hand, so naturally, they couldn't clone them.

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As for the thing about Mew being called the "World's strongest Pokemon" in the first movie a few times, keep in mind that the movie was produced and came out long before Gold/Silver versions, where new Pokemon (at the time) outside the Kanto region were first discovered.
Meh. Because of that, I guess they should've used the line "world's strongest KNOWN Pokemon" instead. Would've been more accurate.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Plus considering Mew knows every move it can take out Mewtwo.
Knows every move? That's a very common misconception when it comes to Mew. It can learn every TM/HM/move tutor technique, but not every single move in the games (there's quite a few moves out there that aren't TM/HM/move tutor exclusive, such as Hydro Pump, Sacred Fire, Aeroblast, etc. The only way Mew would get to perform those mentioned techniques is if the player got lucky when using Metronome, which Mew can learn when leveling up, but so can many other Pokemon, making it not all that special).

The one Pokemon that can truly learn every technique in the game is Smeargle, with its Sketch move.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
That's moves that increases speed, defense, attack
That can be easily prevented by using moves like Taunt (which Mewtwo can learn via TMs). If the opponent attempts to use a stat-enhancing move (or any move that doesn't directly attack/do damage), using Taunt will stop him in his tracks, thus cancelling his turn. Mewtwo having much higher Speed than Mew (without having to use a move that increases speed like Agility) helps along with that strategy too.

Also, it's not like Mewtwo can't learn any stat-enhancing moves himself (Calm Mind in particular, which raises Special Attack along with Special Defense, makes him pretty much impervious to any dark-type attacks).

Originally posted by ESB -1138
as well as moves that would put Mewtwo down!
While Mew can probably learn at least a couple moves or so that are "super effective" against Mewtwo's type (psychic), doesn't mean Mew will be able to KO him with it alone (considering how poor Mew's base stats usually are in comparison to Mewtwo's and some other legendary Pokemon's).

Only way I can see Mew 'putting Mewtwo down' (or making him faint in 1 hit) is with some move combination like Swords Dance+Shadow Ball (as far as the 3rd generation goes), but as I said before, stat-enhancing moves can be easily countered with other moves like Taunt.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Wasn't Missingo a glitch?
Yes. A bug that was overlooked in the game's programming.

Hey, who won in the official movie? Neither. Who had the upper hand throughout the movie? Neither. Who was able to overpower who in the movie? Neither.

I fail to see Mewtwo being superior than Mew here.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Hey, who won in the official movie? Neither. Who had the upper hand throughout the movie? Neither. Who was able to overpower who in the movie? Neither.

I fail to see Mewtwo being superior than Mew here.
Look. I was only talking about in the games. Like I said earlier, I agreed that the 2 are equals in the anime (that includes the movie(s)).

And the games are 'official' just as well.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Hey, who won in the official movie? Neither. Who had the upper hand throughout the movie? Neither. Who was able to overpower who in the movie? Neither.

I fail to see Mewtwo being superior than Mew here. That would make them equals wouldn't it? And stop mixing the movie and the games like they are the same thing. In the game M2 is undeniably more powerful, and is tied with Lugia and Ho oh.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
That would make them equals wouldn't it? And stop mixing the movie and the games like they are the same thing. In the game M2 is undeniably more powerful, and is tied with Lugia and Ho oh.


Expect with for in game my Venusaur can WTFpwn Mewtwo even though we see Mewtwo defeat hordes of enemies that would have taken down my Venusaur in the anime.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Expect with for in game my Venusaur can WTFpwn Mewtwo even though we see Mewtwo defeat hordes of enemies that would have taken down my Venusaur in the anime. Then the guy who was using him sucked.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And the games are 'official' just as well. My level 25 Jigglypuff one shotted a level 75 onyx with a normal type move.

nice sig

Originally posted by Creshosk
My level 25 Jigglypuff one shotted a level 75 onyx with a normal type move.



Dang dude, awesome sig. Hey if I provide the pics or whatever could you make me a Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire sig.

Originally posted by Creshosk
My level 25 Jigglypuff one shotted a level 75 onyx with a normal type move.


Meh. I take back what I said there, about the games being official just as well (not because of what you said though).
The games themself are actually more official/canon/relevant than the anime/movies are, because as a video game was how Pokemon started out (as you pointed out earlier), not as a movie or anime.

Then there's several reasons the anime and games are too different from each other to be compared well, but I'll just mention a couple:

1. The anime breaks the laws of balance that the games provide, by having things such as Pikachu KO'ing ground-types with electric attacks, Pikachu just being God-like overall (which is messed up), Water Gun made to look much more powerful/effective than it actually is, etc...
2. The anime makes too many contradictions to the game's storyline as well as several small parts of the game.

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As for the example you provided (about Jigglypuff KO'ing an Onyx at a much higher level), that just goes to show how inconsistent the battle system of most RPGs such as Pokemon can really be. Won't always have the same outcome every time...

Statistically though, Onyx is still overall more versatile than Jigglypuff. If you think Jigglypuff's a better Pokemon just because yours managed to survive against the odds once, then I guess I could say Bayleef's better than Dragonite just because mine was lucky enough as to KO a Dragonite after several Razor Leaf attacks one time.