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Contestants have been altered temporarily for the tournament to maintain even playing field and to test only their martial arts skills.

Rules:

1. Everyone's healing factor is set at peak human level
2. no weapons or equipment (everyone will be wearing a cloth uniform)
3. No use of active powers


Batman
Wolverine
Captain America
Iron Fist
Daredevil
Deathstroke
Taskmaster

Who wins this tournament?

Taskmaster
Batman
Iron Fist
Captain America
Daredevil
Deathstroke
Wolverine

so does Logan get time to get use to the fact he has no healing facor?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so does Logan get time to get use to the fact he has no healing facor?

yeah...I just wanted everyone to be on equal playing field for durability

Logan wins fallowed by capt

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan wins fallowed by capt

why does Logan win?

Batman knows more one-hit kills then anyone

also: Logan has a reach disadvantage now

Bat-Man.

Originally posted by masterbruce
why does Logan win?

Batman knows more one-hit kills then anyone

also: Logan has a reach disadvantage now
......no he doesent.


Logan knows more styles then any one else has far greater experience and a physical edge

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Bat-Man.

Task-master is very skilled

Originally posted by llagrok
Task-master is very skilled Bat, Man.

Didn't Deadpool beat him with his legzorz?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
......no he doesent.


Logan knows more styles then any one else has far greater experience and a physical edge

Logan may know more styles...but it doesn't mean he is as adept at those styles

also, Logan has a big disadvantage in reach

Originally posted by masterbruce
Logan may know more styles...but it doesn't mean he is as adept at those styles

also, Logan has a big disadvantage in reach

but here the thing he master almost ever style imaginable.........as stated......so he pritty dam adept at them.


Logan also has better center do to his low stature. He trained to over come such disadvantages as reach.

He also is physically superior to batman

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He also is physically superior to batman So is Aquaman...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but here the thing he master almost ever style imaginable.........as stated......so he pritty dam adept at them.


Logan also has better center do to his low stature. He trained to over come such disadvantages as reach.

He also is physically superior to batman

low stature doesn't help much in martial arts...reach is more important

in wrestling, low stature helps more.

Originally posted by masterbruce
low stature doesn't help much in martial arts...reach is more important

in wrestling, low stature helps more.
I know. But does not change the out come that Logan would win

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but here the thing he master almost ever style imaginable.........as stated......so he pritty dam adept at them.


Logan also has better center do to his low stature. He trained to over come such disadvantages as reach.

He also is physically superior to batman

And Wolverine has displayed mastery of how many styles?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
......no he doesent.


Logan knows more styles then any one else has far greater experience and a physical edge He may, but he usually doesn't demonstrate knowledge of every single style during combat...

Anyways, does Daredevil get like... eyesight?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I know. But does not change the out come that Logan would win

Batman has shown onpanel that he could kill a man with one blow...I don't think Logan has ever done that (without claws)

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
He may, but he usually doesn't demonstrate knowledge of every single style during combat...

Anyways, does Daredevil get like... eyesight?

Where's the fun in that?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
He may, but he usually doesn't demonstrate knowledge of every single style during combat...

Anyways, does Daredevil get like... eyesight?

he just uses his hearing and other senses

Originally posted by masterbruce
Contestants have been altered temporarily for the tournament to maintain even playing field and to test only their martial arts skills.

Rules:

1. Everyone's healing factor is set at peak human level
2. no weapons or equipment (everyone will be wearing a cloth uniform)
3. No use of active powers


Batman
Wolverine
Captain America
Iron Fist
Daredevil
Deathstroke
Taskmaster

Who wins this tournament?

what?! no ryu and ken?!! where's jin and jazuya? where are the terry and andy? and ryo and roberto?

Originally posted by llagrok
And Wolverine has displayed mastery of how many styles?
a lot not to mention in a single arc he displayed mastery of 13 styles.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Anyways, does Daredevil get like... eyesight?

Doesn't need it to win this, biotch!

Originally posted by masterbruce
Batman has shown onpanel that he could kill a man with one blow...I don't think Logan has ever done that (without claws) Wolverine's punched a guy hard enough that he flew through water and busted the cement on the other side of the pool (iirc).

If he did that to a normal human who didn't have water to protect them (hell, if he did that to a normal human ANYWAYS), you can be damn sure they'd die.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Batman has shown onpanel that he could kill a man with one blow...I don't think Logan has ever done that (without claws)
logan has too and recently

Originally posted by masterbruce
he just uses his hearing and other senses Without super powers?

So, everybody in this tournament gets to beat down on a defenseless blind man?

Since they get no active powers, it's reasonable to assume that Wolverine is toned down to peak human?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Without super powers?

So, everybody in this tournament gets to beat down on a defenseless blind man?

no he still have his senes he mean powers such as chi and such. Like the IF attack and Logans claws

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no he still have his senes he mean powers such as chi and such. Like the IF attack and Logans claws Well, Logan's healing factor was removed too.

Even so, I would assume DD's radar sense would fall under such a category...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no he still have his senes he mean powers such as chi and such. Like the IF attack and Logans claws

yep

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Well, Logan's healing factor was removed too.

Even so, I would assume DD's radar sense would fall under such a category...

even though Logan's healing is a passive power, I removed it because otherwise it would be unfair

DD gets his sense though

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Well, Logan's healing factor was removed too.

Even so, I would assume DD's radar sense would fall under such a category...

hmm maybe since it another ability but DD would still keep his other powers.

Originally posted by masterbruce
even though Logan's healing is a passive power, I removed it because otherwise it would be unfair

DD gets his sense though That gives Matt quite an edge then, seeing as Cap doesn't have the shield, Wolverine doesn't have the claws OR HF, Batman don't have his chi/jobber aura (unless that's passive, not positive), etc.

So I say Matt.

But we can file Soljer's vote right now...

Taskmaster can still kick ass....

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
That gives Matt quite an edge then, seeing as Cap doesn't have the shield, Wolverine doesn't have the claws OR HF, Batman don't have his chi/jobber aura (unless that's passive, not positive), etc.

So I say Matt.

But we can file Soljer's vote right now...

capt still a peak human


Logan still physically him self and has super senses

so I don't really se why DD wins

Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt still a peak human


Logan still physically him self and has super senses

so I don't really se why DD wins

Maybe because smelling what your opponent had for dinner is worth jack shit in a fight?

Originally posted by llagrok
Maybe because smelling what your opponent had for dinner is worth jack shit in a fight?
............hahaahha................or maybe seeing bullets in slow motion...........

Logans senses allows for him to not only prodict attacks, but also allow for him to see objects in slow motion.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............hahaahha................or maybe seeing bullets in slow motion...........

Logans senses allows for him to not only prodict attacks, but also allow for him to see objects in slow motion.

Then he can watch Batman's fist before they made contact with his nose and knock him da fug out!

ya batman gunna beat some one who

physically superior to him in every way

as skilled if not more so.

Knows more styles of combat

Is vastly more experienced.


ya but batman wins

Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt still a peak human


Logan still physically him self and has super senses

so I don't really se why DD wins DD uses his senses in combat MUCH better than Wolverine, and DD has a tiny bit of an edge because Cap has no main weapon, and DD can anticipate and roll with his attacks.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya batman gunna beat some one who

physically superior to him in every way

as skilled if not more so.

Knows more styles of combat

Is vastly more experienced.


ya but batman wins

Keep telling yourself that mate.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya batman gunna beat some one who

physically superior to him in every way

as skilled if not more so.

Knows more styles of combat

Is vastly more experienced.


ya but batman wins
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Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
DD uses his senses in combat MUCH better than Wolverine, and DD has a tiny bit of an edge because Cap has no main weapon, and DD can anticipate and roll with his attacks.

not really he simply uses other senses.

Not really capt still superior to DD in most area's.

any fighter can roll with punches.

still not seeing how DD beats wolverine the majority.

He lacking physically.

He lacking experience wise

He not as skilled

He ahs super sense, but so does wolverine

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
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is this a serous post?

also can you explain your points with the scanns. You just did a trick were you post a lot of scann with out telling the purpose.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
is this a serous post?

also can you explain your points with the scanns. You just did a trick were you post a lot of scann with out telling the purpose. Batman wins?

why?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not really he simply uses other senses.

Not really capt still superior to DD in most area's.

any fighter can roll with punches.

still not seeing how DD beats wolverine the majority.

He lacking physically.

He lacking experience wise

He not as skilled

He ahs super sense, but so does wolverine He uses his super senses WAAAAAY better than Wolverine. And, most of his are more powerful, and he has the radar sense, and every slight movement Wolverine makes will tell Matt what he's about to do.

DD anticipated and rolled with Spider-man's punches.

And he's nearly as skilled, and in most combat situations (including most vs. DD, iirc), Wolverine doesn't display his huge amount of MA knowledge.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why? Because Batman has beaten class 100's with his fistz?
And, has more ridicules feats?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
He uses his super senses WAAAAAY better than Wolverine. And, most of his are more powerful, and he has the radar sense, and every slight movement Wolverine makes will tell Matt what he's about to do.
false. actaully Logans sense of smell is better. He also can see.

every movement DD makes will tell Logan what he doing.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph .DD anticipated and rolled with Spider-man's punches. .
Logan has dodged spidermans punches so your point?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
And he's nearly as skilled, and in most combat situations (including most vs. DD, iirc), Wolverine doesn't display his huge amount of MA knowledge.

were did you get this from?

he fought Logan twice. Once Logan was mind controlled and stated he was fighting as hard as he could not to get another mask killed

There other fight Logan beat DD in 4 pannels in pure h2h combat

I'm pretty suure the instance where Logan beats Daredevil in a few panels was when Matt was still somewhat affected by Typhoid Mary.

I'm also wondering what Wolverine's done to prove his sense of smell is better than DD's They seem about even to me.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
false. actaully Logans sense of smell is better. He also can see.

every movement DD makes will tell Logan what he doing. You really want to compare Logan's use of senses to DD's?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan has dodged spidermans punches so your point?That he's not just "any fighter" like you seem to imply.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
were did you get this from?

he fought Logan twice. Once Logan was mind controlled and stated he was fighting as hard as he could not to get another mask killed

There other fight Logan beat DD in 4 pannels in pure h2h combat Reading the comics...

Then there was the time DD took him out with a throat chop...

Iron Fist.

Him or Tasky probably take this. Have Danny and Taskmaster ever fought? 2nd, does Taskmaster get his photographic reflexes?

I don't see why he wouldn't. Photographic reflexes aren't powers.

This fight is really advantageous to Batman. Why? Because it really puts him in a prime dominance locus.
Think of it ....the main advantageous others had (e.g. Wolverine's healing factor and Cap's Super-soldier serum ....more on that later) are negated. Everyone is basically at peak human, and the only person who has trained to be at that level is Batman.
EVERYONE else has had some enhancement (i.e. serums, healing factors due to mutagenes, super-human traits in the case of Slade, taskmasters abilities, IronFists chi mumbojumbo, radioactive substances that give them a 'radar sense' - note that Daredevil does not only have enhanced senses, but the radioactive fluid that robbed him of his sight also changed him ....his abilities do not only stem from Stick's training, etc)

Batman wouldn't actually experience any change .....it would basically be HIM as he IS. ALL of the other characters would experience a negation of ability.

Now, to the super-soldier serum.

The main difference between |Cap and Bats is not that the serum makes Cap peak human. Batman is ALREADY peak human, only that he did not need a serum to get there (and for that matter he would take it ....think of it, he could take venom, he doesn't. He also refuses to use 'easy way outs', like when he refused to let a MotherBox heal him of his injuries, or how he became the Batman again after having his back broken by basically starting from scratch. There is no way Bruce would use a serum even if he had one available, and he has several).

The MAIN difference between the two is ONE trait of the serum .....that it allows Captain America not to experience fatigue.
That is the only thing that differentiates the two when it comes to physical abilities (in martial arts Bruce is superior, no matter what some say .....not to say Captain is a slow-poke ....if it was a test Cap would get 99% with Bruce getting a 100%. But that is still a 1% difference). The key difference is fatigue.

With the serum Cap can never tire ....he can fight all out and the serum takes care of any fatigue toxins (caused by anaeboric respiration) in his bloodstream.
Batman can suffer from fatigue.
It would take him longer than (say) normal humans to suffer from its effects, but push him long enough and he will break.
Look at KnightFall .....before Bane broke Batman's back, he SYSTEMATICALLY broke down Batman. For WEEKS he had Batman running all over the place (e.g. chasing down the criminals that Bane had broken out of prison).
By the time Bane metup with Batman finally Bats was a finished man (hadn't even had time to be shaving), and he lost.

Anyways, in this match it is only Batman who wouldn't notice a difference.

Others like Captain wouldn't notice much of a difference, while others like Iron Fist and Slade (and DD etc) still have loads of fighting experience to pull from (i.e. are masters).

Wolverine would have a distinct problem.
Sure ....he can fight and has decades upon decades upon decades of fighting experience. He is Samurai, among other things.
The problem is that througout all those decades he has had to rely on his superlative healing factor as an edge (actually as THE edge that allows him to tangle with people FAR above his paygrade. Without the factor he would be another puny mutant with claws .....it is not the claws that make Wovlerine special ....it is the healing factor. Without it he wouldn't even qualify above Jubilee for joining the XMen).

He tends to rush into things, depending on the factor to bail him out.

That wouldn't be a good strategy against some of the people here. E.g. rushing in against Cap, Ironfist or Batman would result in a leopard-strike (the Shiva move, which Batman can do but refuses to use since it entails killing your opponent) through the eyes.

Anyways, who would win .....that is up for debate.

But this is a fight created for Batman. It is almost like asking a Karate kumite champion (world class), a Gungfu champion exponent, a Krav Maga specialist, a Muay Thai champion, and a World-champion Heavy weight Boxer. And having then compete in a Judo-style match. Oh, and you also include a World-class Brazillian jujitsu champion in that match.

Sure, the others can fight. All are great. But in this event the rules favor one person above the others. The Brazillian Jujitsu fighter will have a definite advantage.

Originally posted by spetznaz
This fight is really advantageous to Batman. Why? Because it really puts him in a prime dominance locus.
Think of it ....the main advantageous others had (e.g. Wolverine's healing factor and Cap's Super-soldier serum ....more on that later) are negated. Everyone is basically at peak human, and the only person who has trained to be at that level is Batman.
EVERYONE else has had some enhancement (i.e. serums, healing factors due to mutagenes, super-human traits in the case of Slade, taskmasters abilities, IronFists chi mumbojumbo, radioactive substances that give them a 'radar sense' - note that Daredevil does not only have enhanced senses, but the radioactive fluid that robbed him of his sight also changed him ....his abilities do not only stem from Stick's training, etc)

Batman wouldn't actually experience any change .....it would basically be HIM as he IS. ALL of the other characters would experience a negation of ability.

Now, to the super-soldier serum.

The main difference between |Cap and Bats is not that the serum makes Cap peak human. Batman is ALREADY peak human, only that he did not need a serum to get there (and for that matter he would take it ....think of it, he could take venom, he doesn't. He also refuses to use 'easy way outs', like when he refused to let a MotherBox heal him of his injuries, or how he became the Batman again after having his back broken by basically starting from scratch. There is no way Bruce would use a serum even if he had one available, and he has several).

The MAIN difference between the two is ONE trait of the serum .....that it allows Captain America not to experience fatigue.
That is the only thing that differentiates the two when it comes to physical abilities (in martial arts Bruce is superior, no matter what some say .....not to say Captain is a slow-poke ....if it was a test Cap would get 99% with Bruce getting a 100%. But that is still a 1% difference). The key difference is fatigue.

With the serum Cap can never tire ....he can fight all out and the serum takes care of any fatigue toxins (caused by anaeboric respiration) in his bloodstream.
Batman can suffer from fatigue.
It would take him longer than (say) normal humans to suffer from its effects, but push him long enough and he will break.
Look at KnightFall .....before Bane broke Batman's back, he SYSTEMATICALLY broke down Batman. For WEEKS he had Batman running all over the place (e.g. chasing down the criminals that Bane had broken out of prison).
By the time Bane metup with Batman finally Bats was a finished man (hadn't even had time to be shaving), and he lost.

Anyways, in this match it is only Batman who wouldn't notice a difference.

Others like Captain wouldn't notice much of a difference, while others like Iron Fist and Slade (and DD etc) still have loads of fighting experience to pull from (i.e. are masters).

Wolverine would have a distinct problem.
Sure ....he can fight and has decades upon decades upon decades of fighting experience. He is Samurai, among other things.
The problem is that througout all those decades he has had to rely on his superlative healing factor as an edge (actually as THE edge that allows him to tangle with people FAR above his paygrade. Without the factor he would be another puny mutant with claws .....it is not the claws that make Wovlerine special ....it is the healing factor. Without it he wouldn't even qualify above Jubilee for joining the XMen).

He tends to rush into things, depending on the factor to bail him out.

That wouldn't be a good strategy against some of the people here. E.g. rushing in against Cap, Ironfist or Batman would result in a leopard-strike (the Shiva move, which Batman can do but refuses to use since it entails killing your opponent) through the eyes.

Anyways, who would win .....that is up for debate.

But this is a fight created for Batman. It is almost like asking a Karate kumite champion (world class), a Gungfu champion exponent, a Krav Maga specialist, a Muay Thai champion, and a World-champion Heavy weight Boxer. And having then compete in a Judo-style match. Oh, and you also include a World-class Brazillian jujitsu champion in that match.

Sure, the others can fight. All are great. But in this event the rules favor one person above the others. The Brazillian Jujitsu fighter will have a definite advantage. But the others aren't put at a disadvantage... DD still has the senses, Cap still has the serum, etc.

What's missing is:

Weapons
Wolverine's HF
Active Abilities (Iron Fist's IF, etc.)

Which puts DD at the biggest advantage, as he still has his powers that let him hang with everybody here, and Bruce is missing the equalizer (his gadgets).

Cap is the weapon, not the shield, but that's not to say it doesn't contribute... I would in fact say it contributes much more than DD's billy clubs do for him.

Wolverine lacks the claws, the healing factor, and I have yet to see evidence that he uses his senses even remotely as effectively as Matt.

Iron Fist is good but without his chi, DD will still always be a step ahead of him.

Taskmaster's abilities weren't negated either. And he already knows the fighting styles of a few of these guys, and he can copy the styles of the others. Only 2 fighters have proved to be unable to be copied. Deadpool, and Agent X.

I'm not saying he wins, but he has a definite advantage here.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
You really want to compare Logan's use of senses to DD's?
That he's not just "any fighter" like you seem to imply.

Reading the comics...

Then there was the time DD took him out with a throat chop...

yes actaully. You think DD senses give him some crazy edge on logan, but it doesent. DD hearign is better. Logan smell is equal or better then DD. Both can sense eachother before they strike. In the end it does not matter. Hell capt senses are good enough for him to senses there attacks as well.

Im not implying DD any fighter im implying he loses due to Logan superior physical stats.


You mean the issue written by ennis? The one that wrote wolverine and logan like an idiot. The issue that controdicted it self at every turn.

Like ive explain and proven before the issue is PIS.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes actaully. You think DD senses give him some crazy edge on logan, but it doesent. DD hearign is better. Logan smell is equal or better then DD. Both can sense eachother before they strike. In the end it does not matter. Hell capt senses are good enough for him to senses there attacks as well.

Im not implying DD any fighter im implying he loses due to Logan superior physical stats.


You mean the issue written by ennis? The one that wrote wolverine and logan like an idiot. The issue that controdicted it self at every turn.

Like ive explain and proven before the issue is PIS. That's not what I said. What I said was that DD USED his senses much better than Wolverine.

I'm implying he doesn't. Lolzorz, look at dat!

PIS it may be, but it's still a showing. You said there were only two. I count at least three.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
That's not what I said. What I said was that DD USED his senses much better than Wolverine.

I'm implying he doesn't. Lolzorz, look at dat!

PIS it may be, but it's still a showing. You said there were only two. I count at least three.

But Logan uses his senses.........the only difference is DD apeares to use them more becuase he can't see. Logan can so he using his eyes while DD forcus on hearing or radar sense.


NO it was PIS it a fact. I don't count PIS fights. also I heard the marvel recontt it to have been all a dream or some such. I been trying to find if this article actaully exists

Originally posted by Battlehammer
But Logan uses his senses.........the only difference is DD apeares to use them more becuase he can't see. Logan can so he using his eyes while DD forcus on hearing or radar sense.


NO it was PIS it a fact. I don't count PIS fights. also I heard the marvel recontt it to have been all a dream or some such. I been trying to find if this article actaully exists Which gives DD the edge... because his senses give him a much more adept pre-cog than Logan's eyes... and, DD can tell from the slightest movement what his opponent's next move will be.

Still a showing, until further notice.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Which gives DD the edge... because his senses give him a much more adept pre-cog than Logan's eyes... and, DD can tell from the slightest movement what his opponent's next move will be.

Still a showing, until further notice.

how? When Logan can do the same thing? He can then see the attack comming as well?

So no DD really does not have any advantage. Though he is lacking in other area's such as strength, durability and so forth.


IT PIS........so it means crap.


so your whole angle on DD winning his becuase he has better hearing?

Jesus walks...
























with Batman.

surpized no one thinks deathstroke will win.


taskmaster screwed because his double speed would be gone

goku!!!!



seriously though.. captain america should win this out of the list given he's the best h2h with bats and logan just a bit below him

also why such a small line up?

capt is Logan equal in h2h not above. Hell Logan has vast more knowledge of other styles

they're both up there soo high that positioning seems interchangeable but marvel (in universe speaking) seems to regard cap as the #1 h2h fighter but i guess saying their even is a fair statement, and knowing extra styles really doesn't help as it is how they are applied that makes the diffenrence

Batman

Originally posted by Battlehammer
surpized no one thinks deathstroke will win.


taskmaster screwed because his double speed would be gone

No. He would still have it. It's part of his photographic reflexes.

He copies ****ing ki techniques........a technique that took this guy 10 years, he picked up in 10 mins.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan wins fallowed by capt

When logan takes out bricks on a regular basis without using his adamntuim then he gets to do better than Cap or DD.

Captain America's technique is basic. Totally effective, but basic.

If we're going to talk about the most, technically, skilled? It's Batman or Iron Fist by a mile.

Originally posted by Soljer
Captain America's technique is basic. Totally effective, but basic.

If we're going to talk about the most, technically, skilled? It's Batman or Iron Fist by a mile.

IF in terms of chi manipulation seems to be mora advanced than Cap, but is he more advanced in other aspects of H2H? Why do you say that Batman is more technically skilled?

Batman is more technically skilled because...

He is. .

Captain America's observable breadth of knowledge is tiny, even if his depth is enormous.

Oh, and, for the record, Wolverine doesn't know every fighting style.

Originally posted by Soljer
Batman is more technically skilled because...

He is. .

....your winding me up surely? This is a joke right?


Originally posted by Soljer

Captain America's observable breadth of knowledge is tiny, even if his depth is enormous.

This is a wind up.

Originally posted by Alfheim
....your winding me up surely? This is a joke right?




This is a wind up.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'wind up,' but I can see that you want further explanation.

And since I don't have time, I'll simply use an example.

If you ask Batman what the four most suitable angles of attack from the fourth stance in the third kata of Meihuaquan are, he'll know, and will be able to demonstrate them with perfect accuracy.

You ask Cap? He'll look at you like you're an idiot and punch you in the face. .

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'wind up,' but I can see that you want further explanation.

And since I don't have time, I'll simply use an example.

If you ask Batman what the four most suitable angles of attack from the fourth stance in the third kata of Meihuaquan are, he'll know, and will be able to demonstrate them with perfect accuracy.

You ask Cap? He'll look at you like your an idiot and punch you in the face. .


A wind up is when somebody is playing a prank on you. I think this has got to be a wind up.

If Batman and Namor fought, Batman would've won 131

Originally posted by llagrok
If Batman and Namor fought, Batman would've won 131

Meh could we start being more serious. Dindt Namor once pawn Cap when he was wearing a specially hydrated suit?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Meh could we start being more serious. Dindt Namor once pawn Cap when he was wearing a specially hydrated suit?

Yeah, but Cap has won a couple of other times. Namor has a surprisingly bad record against Cap actually.

Either way, Batman should be the most skilled here. The extra endurance boost is rarely taken into account when he fights Class 100 threats as one good punch is normally enough to take him down. Batman has never had the luxury of being able to take hits from Class 100 threats and just heal it.

Batman wins, because he is the goddamned batman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also I heard the marvel recontt it to have been all a dream or some such. I been trying to find if this article actaully exists

Originally posted by Alfheim
When logan takes out bricks on a regular basis without using his adamntuim then he gets to do better than Cap or DD.
................because we all know this decides some ones skill.........


Logan also use to beat the crap out of rough-house on a daily basis.

Originally posted by llagrok
Yeah, but Cap has won a couple of other times.

One when he was mindcontrolled.

Originally posted by llagrok

Namor has a surprisingly bad record against Cap actually.

You serious.


Originally posted by llagrok

Either way, Batman should be the most skilled here. The extra endurance boost is rarely taken into account when he fights Class 100 threats as one good punch is normally enough to take him down. Batman has never had the luxury of being able to take hits from Class 100 threats and just heal it.

Batman wins, because he is the goddamned batman.

Is this some sort of joke?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
................because we all know this decides some ones skill.........


Yeah because being able to take somebody who is vatly stronger than you is rubbish.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Logan also use to beat the crap out of rough-house on a daily basis.

Having adamantuim bones doesnt hurt the situation at all does it, obvoulsy that makes his punches harder. Its like having adamantuim knuckledusters.

Hey when he got captured by Bloodscream and Roughouse it was his supesharp claws that enabled him to survive. Wolverine slashed bloodscream and put a claw to Roughouse neck, no pressure points used. Yes I know in that situation he didnt use adamntuim but even bone claw wolverine has super sharp claws.

IMHO, if you want to talk about pure martial arts skills, Batman is the best one in this thread.

*waits for the fanboy chants*

Originally posted by batdude123
IMHO, if you want to talk about pure martial arts skills, Batman is the best one in this thread.

*waits for the fanboy chants* Actually, I'd be inclined to agree.

However, without his gadgets, I would give DD the edge over him due to powers.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Actually, I'd be inclined to agree.

However, without his gadgets, I would give DD the edge over him due to powers.

Idk, it'd be a good fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
IMHO, if you want to talk about pure martial arts skills, Batman is the best one in this thread.

*waits for the fanboy chants*

I'm confused by the emphasis on 'pure'. Explain.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Actually, I'd be inclined to agree.

However, without his gadgets, I would give DD the edge over him due to powers.

but I think Batman's advantage is he knows some of the most effective one-hit moves that I think many of the other contestants aren't aware of, which compensates for his physical disadvantages, however slight.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm confused by the emphasis on 'pure'. Explain. Not taking into account powers, and the bonuses to skill that stem from them, was my general impression.

Originally posted by Battlehammer



Logan also use to beat the crap out of rough-house on a daily basis.

on a daily basis....really? I didn't realize rough-house was Logan's redheaded stepson.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Not taking into account powers, and the bonuses to skill that stem from them, was my general impression.

i see.

Originally posted by masterbruce
but I think Batman's advantage is he knows some of the most effective one-hit moves that I think many of the other contestants aren't aware of, which compensates for his physical disadvantages, however slight. Daredevil knows many, many pressure points, cheap shots, and what-not. What Batman does know will be avoidable by DD because he'll see it coming at the slightest movements of the required muscles.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Not taking into account powers, and the bonuses to skill that stem from them, was my general impression.

Bingo.

Though, Batman has feats that are on par with, and on many occasions, better than guys like Cap, BP, and DD.

Deadpool shatter the forth wall and beats the crap out of the writer until he puts in in the tournement

then deadpool pwns

I still think Tasky has the best shot at taking this. He's shown he can beat guys like Spidey with his skills.

im sure its been said, but BRUCE LEE

i think bats takes it, or taskmaster

Some things that should be noted.

Frank Millar who was considered the best writer for Daredevil. Heck his run is considered the gospel for Daredevil if you will showed that DD Radar/super-senses came from Mystical Sticks training.


During that run DD lost his radar and senses. Stick told DD.....the radiation gave you a free ride. But now that you lost your abilities you must endure my training just like the rest of us to maintain them.

So DD retained his abilities through "training" and are a skill set now. Stick stated everyone has these abilities.

There is another regular human on Sticks team name Stone who can actually turn his skin into hard stone as ninja stars don't even hurt him. This also looks like a super-power but in fact is a regular natural ability by skill in the Marvel universe of course.

And intellect enhancement, strength, speed, durability, healing, eye-sight etc etc etc. Many differences.

Skillwise Bats is probably a hair more skilled then Cap which is the only part of your post I agree on.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Some things that should be noted.

Frank Millar who was considered the best writer for Daredevil. Heck his run is considered the gospel for Daredevil if you will showed that DD Radar/super-senses came from Mystical Sticks training.


During that run DD lost his radar and senses. Stick told DD.....the radiation gave you a free ride. But now that you lost your abilities you must endure my training just like the rest of us to maintain them.

So DD retained his abilities through "training" and are a skill set now. Stick stated everyone has these abilities.

There is another regular human on Sticks team name Stone who can actually turn his skin into hard stone as ninja stars don't even hurt him. This also looks like a super-power but in fact is a regular natural ability by skill in the Marvel universe of course.

If you want to go that route, then Iron Fist's chi amping, and even many of his chi attacks are skills as well.

Only the Iron Fist came directly from Shou Lou - and while his connection with the dragon also connected him to the ocean of Shou Lou's chi, he's been retconned to have been using only his OWN chi this entire time - rather than the limitless supply from Shou Lou.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Daredevil1


Skillwise Bats is probably a hair more skilled then Cap which is the only part of your post I agree on.

Define skill.

.

Cap's a foot wide, but a mile deep.

Batman's a mile wide and a mile deep.

Originally posted by Soljer
If you want to go that route, then Iron Fist's chi amping, and even many of his chi attacks are skills as well.

Only the Iron Fist came directly from Shou Lou - and while his connection with the dragon also connected him to the ocean of Shou Lou's chi, he's been retconned to have been using only his OWN chi this entire time - rather than the limitless supply from Shou Lou.

Just saying.


Proof? Because I might have evidence that says otherwise.

Originally posted by Soljer
Define skill.

.

Cap's a foot wide, but a mile deep.

Batman's a mile wide and a mile deep.

Metaphor does not compute.

Originally posted by batdude123
Metaphor does not compute.

How about this one then;

Batman's a combat genius.

Captain America is a combat idiot savant.

???

Originally posted by Soljer
How about this one then;

Batman's a combat genius.

Captain America is a combat idiot savant.

??? Okay.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Skillwise Bats is probably a hair more skilled then Cap which is the only part of your post I agree on.

Im not even sure if thats true


http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=dcd_batcap2c.jpg

If they are all fighting at the same time - ala "battle Royal - Daredevil's 360 degree "vision" would give him some edge.....I would think. right?

Originally posted by yugotank
If they are all fighting at the same time - ala "battle Royal - Daredevil's 360 degree "vision" would give him some edge.....I would think. right?

No. It doesnt even really give him a big edge in H2H.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No. It doesnt even really give him a big edge in H2H.

Wow...

You must read tons of Daredevil...

One name THANOS!!!

Mooooohahahahahaha!!!

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow...

You must read tons of Daredevil...

Actually I have read alot of DD comics just not recently (from mid 80s to early 90s). When he fights a top tier martial artist he gets punched in the face just like evcerybody else. His radar sense is not a silver bullet.

Yeah thats what I thought b*tch...not this time...

You talking to me?

I was busy changing my profile and avatar...

Fact of the matter is, Daredevil's radar sense grants him an incomparable advantage in hand to hand combat akin to a meta-precognition.

Originally posted by Soljer
You talking to me? I was busy changing my profile and avatar...




Yeah I am.

Originally posted by Soljer

Fact of the matter is, Daredevil's radar sense grants him an incomparable advantage in hand to hand combat akin to a meta-precognition.

What exactly do you mean by incomparable? Do you mean that he has a huge advantage, because if you are thats crap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats what I thought b*tch...not this time...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I am.



What exactly do you mean by incomparable? Do you mean that he has a huge advantage, because if you are thats crap.

www.dictionary.com

If I were going to say 'it grants him a huge advantage' I'd probably say 'it grants him a huge advantage.'

If I was going to say that it makes him far and above other street levellers, I might say 'it gives him an insurmountable advantage.'

If I wanted to say that it gives him an incomparable advantage....

I'd probably use the word incomparable. .

EDIT: Oh, and reported. doped.

Originally posted by Soljer
www.dictionary.com

If I were going to say 'it grants him a huge advantage' I'd probably say 'it grants him a huge advantage.'

If I was going to say that it makes him far and above other street levellers, I might say 'it gives him an insurmountable advantage.'

If I wanted to say that it gives him an incomparable advantage....

I'd probably use the word incomparable. .

Exactly, because the whole point I was making is that his radar sense doesnt give him a huge advantage. The whole reason why you used the term incomparable is because you cant prove that his radar sense gives him a huge advantage so you tried to wiggle out of it by saying it gives DD an incomparable advantage.

Basically you tried it on again and you failed.

.

Seriously.

.


www.Dictionary.com

Look up incomparable.

Originally posted by Soljer
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Seriously.

.


www.Dictionary.com

Look up incomparable.

Can you prove that DD has a huge advantage because of his radar sense? No.

Incomparable means that it cant be compared I think in some cases it may mean superior. Just because something cant be compared doesnt neccesarily make it superior.

Regardless of what word you use DDs gets punched up just leike everybody.

Did I say huge? No.

Did I say superior? No.

In some cases, I tend to choose my words carefully. Perhaps you should consider the same.

Originally posted by Soljer
Did I say huge? No.

Did I say superior? No.

In some cases, I tend to choose my words carefully. Perhaps you should consider the same.

Stop trying to wiggle out of it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No. It doesnt even really give him a big edge in H2H.

Big edge ie superior advantage, big advantage, huge advantage etc. The context is also that it does not give him a huge advanatge when fighting top tiers because thats what the quote was responding to.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow...

You must read tons of Daredevil...

ie you are chatting **** ie yes it does give him a huge advantage in H2H.

Anyway you tried it on you failed, better luck next time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Stop trying to wiggle out of it.



Big edge ie superior advantage, big advantage, huge advantage etc. The context is also that it does not give him a huge advanatge when fighting top tiers because thats what the quote was responding to.



ie you are chatting **** ie yes it does give him a huge advantage in H2H.

Anyway you tried it on you failed, better luck next time.

There is nothing to 'wiggle' out of. I said what I meant, and I stand by what I said. I didn't say big. Nor superior. Nor Huge. I said incomparable. Again, my friend, dictionary.

No one here has a power that can be compared to daredevil's radar sense.

Batman?
Wolverine?
Captain America?
Iron Fist?
Deathstroke?
Taskmaster?

Nope. None of them have a power that is comparable to Daredevil's three sixty radar sense. Does that mean he has a 'huge, big, superior-mongous' advantage in a hand to hand fight over any of them? Not necessarily. Does it mean that he has an incomparable power? No shit - cause, you know, that's what I said. doped.

Originally posted by Soljer
There is nothing to 'wiggle' out of. I said what I meant, and I stand by what I said. I didn't say big. Nor superior. Nor Huge. I said incomparable. Again, my friend, dictionary.

No one here has a power that can be compared to daredevil's radar sense.


You just dont get it do you? I said that DDs radar sense doesnt give him a big advantage, you then tried to imply that it was bullshit.

You damn well know that his radar sense doesnt give him big advantage thats why you're going on about incomparable now.



Originally posted by Soljer

Batman?
Wolverine?
Captain America?
Iron Fist?
Deathstroke?
Taskmaster?

Nope. None of them have a power that is comparable to Daredevil's three sixty radar sense. Does that mean he has a 'huge, big, superior-mongous' advantage in a hand to hand fight over any of them? Not necessarily. Does it mean that he has an incomparable power? No shit - cause, you know, that's what I said. doped.

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't say big. Nor superior. Nor Huge. I said incomparable. Again, my friend, dictionary.

Further more even if we were going by the word incomparable it does mean superior look at the dictionary.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incomparable

1 beyond comparison; matchless or unequaled: incomparable beauty.

So going by the dictionary it means superior and significantly superior. Incomparable beauty obvoulsy means you stand head and shoulders above the rest in beauty.

Furthermore the defintion if incomparable being superior is on the first line which means its the most official use of the term. Incomparable meaning that it cant be compared is on line 2. So incomparable meaning superior is the most accurate defintion, obvoulsy you didnt read your own link.

Just another example of your biased bullshit were you pretend like you know everything when your just as fallible as everybody else and this is just a perfect example. **** off and stop wasting my time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You just dont get it do you? I said that DDs radar sense doesnt give him a big advantage, you then tried to imply that it was bullshit.

You damn well know that his radar sense doesnt give him big advantage thats why you're going on about incomparable now.







Further more even if we were going by the word incomparable it does mean superior look at the dictionary.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incomparable

1 beyond comparison; matchless or unequaled: incomparable beauty.

So going by the dictionary it means superior and significantly superior. Incomparable beauty obvoulsy means you stand head and shoulders above the rest in beauty.

Furthermore the defintion if incomparable being superior is on the first line which means its the most official use of the term. Incomparable meaning that it cant be compared is on line 2.

Just another example of your biased bullshit were you pretend like you know everything when your just as fallible as everybody else and this is just a perfect example. **** off and stop wasting my time.

Wrong definition, friend. .

"not comparable; incapable of being compared to each other, as two unlike objects or qualities, or to one or more others."

Originally posted by Soljer
Wrong definition, friend. .

"not comparable; incapable of being compared to each other, as two unlike objects or qualities, or to one or more others."

...Goodbye Soljer.

Originally posted by Alfheim


Furthermore the defintion if incomparable being superior is on the first line which means its the most official use of the term. Incomparable meaning that it cant be compared is on line 2. So incomparable meaning superior is the most accurate defintion, obvoulsy you didnt read your own link.

A word can have more than one meaning depending upon context.

Read, for example.

If I say "my computer is reading the disk," does that mean I would be incorrect in using the thirty-fifth definition? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/read

The first is no more 'accurate' than the second, which is no more 'accurate' than the thirtieth.

They are all separate definitions for the same word, based upon context. You are trying to pick a fight where there is no fight to be picked - I've been nothing but cordial this entire time. You merely inferred the wrong thing. .

As far as 'good-bye' goes, adios, my friend. Have fun, where ever it is you've run off to.

Originally posted by Soljer


A word can have more than one meaning depending upon context.

Read, for example.

If I say "my computer is reading the disk," does that mean I would be incorrect in using the thirty-fifth definition? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/read



Yeah because if I you have a thread about what martial artist is the best and you use the word incomparable intepreting it as superior would be taking it out of context.

In fact using the word incomparable to mean not superior but just not comparable would be irrelevant and trivial because that doesnt necceeasrily mean a damn thing and doesnt neccesarily give him an advantage. So incomparable meaning superior is more relevant to this thread.

Originally posted by Soljer

The first is no more 'accurate' than the second, which is no more 'accurate' than the thirtieth.

They are all separate definitions for the same word, based upon context. You are trying to pick a fight where there is no fight to be picked - I've been nothing but cordial this entire time. You merely inferred the wrong thing. .

As far as 'good-bye' goes, adios, my friend. Have fun, where ever it is you've run off to.

You know what I dont have a problem with the word incomparable meaning that you cant compare. Here the problem.....your a jerk.

First of all you tried to give me grief.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No. It doesnt even really give him a big edge in H2H.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow...

You must read tons of Daredevil...

What the hell does that mean? Obvously if I say it doesnt give him a big advantage in H2H and you say "Wow...you must read tons of Daredevil", this implies "no, his radar sense does give him an advantage in H2H".......which is what this is all about not the definiton of incomparable, incomparable is a sideshow


I then made the point that his senses dont give him a big edge.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually I have read alot of DD comics just not recently (from mid 80s to early 90s). When he fights a top tier martial artist he gets punched in the face just like evcerybody else. His radar sense is not a silver bullet.

Knowing that im right you tried to wiggle out of it.

Originally posted by Soljer

Fact of the matter is, Daredevil's radar sense grants him an incomparable advantage in hand to hand combat akin to a meta-precognition.


Originally posted by Alfheim
Exactly, because the whole point I was making is that his radar sense doesnt give him a huge advantage. The whole reason why you used the term incomparable is because you cant prove that his radar sense gives him a huge advantage so you tried to wiggle out of it by saying it gives DD an incomparable advantage.

IE Incomparable used in the way that you used it mean not comparable NOT superior but different cant be compared.



You then tried to imply that I didnt know what it means. When ive already explained to you that the way in which you used it doesnt mean superior but you used it because you know you cant prove that DD has a big advantage in terms of H2H


Originally posted by Soljer
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Seriously.

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www.Dictionary.com

Look up incomparable.

Now get lost.

Trolling. Reported.