Elektra vs. Buffy vs. Catwomen vs. Batgirl

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Imperial_Samura
Another bout of martial arts madness, this time involving four lasses who are skilled warriors and are remarkably adept in physical combat.

Once again this is an all out battle, with no prep-time, although the ring will be littered with a selection of weapons that should be suitable to any one of these contenders. So, which one is the greatest warrior girl alive?

BobbyD
Imperial, can I just watch all of them "get it on" instead? Must they fight?

Imperial_Samura
Um, ok, I guess thats a valid option...

muffin man
I don't care who wins as long as I get to watch

Imperial_Samura
Now, I just want to make it clear that this match will not involve mud, nor jelly. However these warrior women might be ticked off by to much oogling, any opinion at all who might win? Although feel free to oogle.

BobbyD
Since, this is a fighting thread, my money is on..........hmm.....I'm going with Elektra. Maybe they can all be friends afterwards so I get to see the "real" show?

muffin man
still I don't care but it would be good with mud

spetznaz
This is a battle between Elektra and Bagirl.
And if it is the Cassandra Cain Batgirl then the winner is pretty straightforward.
Batgirl wins.
Elektra is good, actually she is great, but Batgirl is just insane!

muffin man
catwoman does have a whip.
elektra has sais aswell
I don't know what other weapons they'll have

Nightstick
Buffy has strength, durability, and stamina on them, but even at her best she does not seem to have the skills of the killer instinct of the others.

Catwoman probably has the most experience and the longest ranged melee weapon, but her durability and skill do not match that of Elektra and Bat Girl. Elektra has beat Catwoman and so has Bat Girl I think.

We then come to Bat Girl and Elektra. Given some of Elektra's recent accomplishment this is probably closer then I would have ever thought. While Bat Girl has beat the likes Batman and Shiva. Elektra has scored victories over Wolverine who can go toe to toe with the best fighters in the Marvel Universe. Elektra has Capatain America level durability and more fighting skills then Daredevil according to the Marvel Encyclopedia, but Bat Girl is considered to have meta-human level strength and speed. They both have similiar amounts of training and experience. I'll just say if this comic was written Bat Girl would win.

The other option is Buffy comes back to life and disappears until the end of the fight. At which point she returns having extensively researched her opponents. She also happens to be weilding the slayer scythe, Olath's hammer, and a set of orbs like Warren had. She also has a joining spell to connecting her to all the other slayers and scoobies. So she can either turn her opponents into doves or just beat them down whole sale. smile

srankmissingnin
Buffy has the durability on the other characters; here blunt force truma damage soak is insane but not strength. Her best strength feet was carrying an I-beam (I would imagine that is less then a ton) and she is only a bit stronger then Angel... who need the help of four others to carry a 1 ton casket. She is the first one out me thinks.

Draco69
Poor Buffy. Wait a Minute. I think that Catwoman would go out first. She's experienced but not as skilled or as strong as the others. Overall, I think that Batgirl would dominate. The girl never loses a fight.

chilled monkey
Elektra wins this one. She is much more skilled than Buffy or Catwoman. Only Batgirl comes close to her level, and I'd say Elektra has an edge on her.

Draco69
No way would Elektra win. She's not as skilled as Batgirl.

IRTMU-Dragon
Buffy is stupid, Elektra is a lesbian, Catwoman is...
Batgirl...

Uhhh... hmmm

srankmissingnin
Can Elektra still make illusions and stuff?

IRTMU-Dragon
I wasnt aware she ever could.

Draco69
No. She just has her sais and martial art skills. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : DareDevil 2004 ranks her fighting skills as 5. Captain America is 7. Batgirl can defeat Captain America. Batgirl wins.

srankmissingnin
Batgirl can't defeat Cap but thats a different story

IRTMU-Dragon
Why do you people buy those handbooks, its a rip off they update the heroes constantly so they can release new editions, and its all free on marvel.com

Draco69
More indepth information. Accurate power readings. And much more info on their powers.

Draco69
Ten bucks she could.

IRTMU-Dragon
Cap as in Captain America, or Captain Marvel? or?

Draco69
Captain America.

crazy
batgirl beating cap.. um no?

Buffy should be given more credit, she has gone toe to toe with some crazy beasts

IRTMU-Dragon
No way... oh my god!

IRTMU-Dragon
All of buffys fights are pretty much luck, and if she went up against someone like the hulk id like to see her try.

Draco69
Batgirl beat Lady Shiva and Batman. She could definitely beat Cap. Ten bucks she catches the shield out of the air like she caught a bullet.

laydiiplayette
Yeah, Buffy is pretty kickass, but I think she is way out of her league. Whenever she gets in too deep, her witch or vampire friends show up to bail her out.

Draco69
1st : Batgirl
2nd: Elektra
3rd: Buffy
4th: Catwoman

srankmissingnin
Cap would clean house with Batman... and Shang Chi would kick Lady Shiva's ass. I have seen Batman tie with Batgirl when she wanted to fight with him and he was uninterested, she inst that special.

Draco69
Cap would in no way beat Batman. We've been over this before. More experience. More knowledge of the martial arts. Much smarter. Master tactician. Cap would lose.

Batgirl is extremely special. She once sensed a sniper from a half-mile away. She even dodged four bullets at point blank range by only moving her neck. Elektra is out of league. Batgirl can "read" her movements. She'll know what Elektra will do before Elektra even thinks of what she'll do. Batgirl wins.

IRTMU-Dragon
Uhh? The only person EVER succesful is catching Captain americas vibranium shield, was Dr. Doom.
No one else has caught it, EVER.

Draco69
The Punisher did.

IRTMU-Dragon
What?!

Draco69
*shrugs* Captain America called him and I quote "One in a million".

Oh and if Batgirl can catch a bullet than she can catch a thrown shield.

srankmissingnin
Cap is stronger/faster then Batman, just as knowledgeable in the martial arts (Most would say more so), more experienced and a better tactician.

Echo was pretty even with DD and she could read his movements and Elektra is arguable a better fighter then Matt.

Draco69
Captain America is arguably stronger than Batman. But Batman has mastered 127 martial arts. Captain America has only mastered akido, judo and several boxing styles. Captain America is nowhere near as experienced as Batman. Captain America was a wimp who got turned into a super-soldier with peak human abilities through a serum while Batman spent 15 to 20 years wandering the Earth EARNING his peak human abilities. Batman is a better fighter.

Cap is a very good leader but is by no means a better tactician like Batman. Read any JLA comic or Batman comic to see ample examples. He's DC's Doctor Doom.

Elektra cannot "read" movements like Batgirl. Body Movement is actually a language to Batgirl. She knows what you are saying even though she doesn't understand the words. She even pulled a random guy of the street to coerce him from commiting suicide. His body language said "I'm gonna kill myself". Elektra could never do that. Elektra spent several years under the hand. Batgirl was raised from birth with the world's deadilist assassins in training. No contest.

srankmissingnin
...Captain America is a master of all know martial arts in the Marvel Universe not like it maters though Shang Chi knows something like five and he is more skilled then Batman. The only help reading body language will do Batgirl is she will know Cap is about to feed it to her before he actually does.

Draco69
Captain America is NOT a master of all known martial arts. Like I said he's mastered akido, judo and several boxing styles. However he does have knowledge of other martial arts. But he's never mastered them. When he got injected with the Super-Serum during WWII he was obviously trained. However he didn't learn everything because obviously it was wartime and the US really needed him to kick some a$$. He didn't get to spend 15-20 years like Batman to learn everything.

Shang Ci is better than Batman. But he has nothing to do with this argument.

One glance is all Batgirl needs. She'll know exactly how he fights, what is skills are and what he is going to do with one glance. Cap would be proverbially screwed.

Gryn Jabar
Damn the fight, this would be a SWEET fanfiction or cartoon. My money is on Elektra. Batgirl's a cripple, Catwoman is well, a vaguely erotic cat obsssed lunatic, and buffy got cancelled.

Draco69
The OLD Batgirl is a cripple. The New Batgirl beat Batman AND Lady Shiva.

srankmissingnin
Captain America is a master of all martial arts, it is an established fact and one that you can't refute. If you'd like I can find a scan or page number to shut you up?

Draco69
Sure. But your "established fact" is flawed. You haven't refuted ANYTHING I've said soo...... And I see you've moved on from your other losses to debating Cap's martial prowess. What about Elektra?

srankmissingnin
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9474/CapMAKnowldge.jpg

Hmmm, whats that you say Cap? You are a master of every know of hand-to-hand combat! Who would have know?

Draco69
Obviously you can't read. It says " I'm ADEPT at every form of hand to hand combat" Which is what I have been saying. He never mastered them. Nor does it say he mastered all the martial art styles. He didn't have the time.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

srankmissingnin
What about Elektra? Batgirls ability to read body language is impressive but really Kenshin and Echo have the same ability (Kenshin more so) but it isn't like they've never lost in battle is it? Hell a skilled martial artist should be able to predict the moves of their enemy to some extent(and the all do to some extent which is why Berserker Rage is effective). If Batman can break even with Batgirl how is it different for anyone else... including those how are above Batman?

srankmissingnin
Ever heard of a synonym? Lets see what we get as synonyms for adept shall we? Skilled, Skillful, Expert and Proficient... what is the differance between Expert and Master?

Draco69
Now we're moving to Elektra because you got beat in the Cap section...

Kenshin and Echo don't read body movements. They copy them. Like Taskmaster. Batgirl does not predict movements. She knows their movements before their brains even registers to make a movement. That's how good she is.

I don't understand the rest of argument. You sproadically jumped to different topics like a Beserker rage and Batman. Revise please.

Draco69
Adept - having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude

Master - knows all there is to know in a particular subject

They are not the same thing.

I can be adept at finger-painting. But someone else is a MASTER of finger-painting.

Draco69
I have to get ready for the SUPER BOWL party. I still have to make my dip. sad Anyway all refutes will be answered tomorrow.


GOOOOOO EAGLES! rock

srankmissingnin
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adept

Someone who is "dazzlingly skilled in any field," stands out among many other points that group adept and expert/mastery in the same category.

Kenshin doesn't copy moves he reads his opponents body language and emotion to predict their moves. Taskmaster and Echo's abilities all steam from being able to observe the slightest muscle contraction and the memorize it and duplicate it perfectly... it was Batgirl does but to a much greater extent.

The reason I brought up the berserker rage (pay attention I don't what to lose you Draco) is because I made the point that all the martial artist read their opponents moves in Marvel and instead of give specific examples I brought up Wolverine's berserker rage. The reason it is so effective is because skilled opponents are taken off guard by his unpredictable movements, which wouldn't matter much if they weren't able to read his normal combat moves to some extent.

demigawd
Batgirl is on another level entirely. I haven't seen her lose a fight yet. Batgirl could be one of the greatest fighters in any universe. She beats Elektra, Buffy and Catwoman at the same time. She's THAT good...

laydiiplayette
I don't she could take all 3 at once. I think that if Elektra could not beat her (which I am pretty sure she could), she would at least give her a hard time.

Draco69
*sigh* The main problem with ANY of your arguments is that you don't stay on topic. The argument above doesn't make any sense. You mention "evidence" that has absolutely nothing to do with the main topic.

The Official Handbook of The Marvel Universe : Avengers 2004 clearly states and I quote "Captain America, while proficient in all forms of hand to hand combat, has only mastered judo, akido, and several boxing styles." There goes your argument. Captain America did not have the TIME to master all 127 martial art styles. America was at war. They needed Captain America ready to battle as soon as possible. He's PROFICIENT at all forms of combat how ever he has not MASTERED them. To master them he would need at least 10 to 30 years of training. He never trained for that amount of time.

Kenshin and Echo have NOTHING to do with this topic. Why you refer to them I haven't the slightest clue.

Again. Wolverine's beserker rage has NOTHING to do with this topic. Why are you torturing your keyboard?

Stay on topic.

Captain America's a very good fighter. But he doesn't have the skills like Batman and Batgirl does. Common sense shows that.

To layiiplayette :

I doubt she could take on all three at once. But she could definitely defeat anyone of them. Catwoman will go down first. Then Buffy. Then finally Elektra.

To demigawd :

Exactly

laydiiplayette
But they wouldn't be fighting separately. The 3 would realize that Batgirl was a threat and would all be fighting her at the same time.

srankmissingnin
So we ignore what Cap says in the comic for the Hand Books... the same Marvel Hand Books that say Ogun moves at Warp speed. You can use hand books if you like, I'll stick with the comics.

Kenshin and Echo (even Taskmaster) can give better insight to Batgirl's abilities, so mention them is hardly off topic. Although I can see I'm confusing you so I'll try to make things simpler next time. Reading body language is a pretty common thing in comics (although not on Batgirl's level) but it is hardly an ability that seals a fight especially against someone as skilled as Elektra. Hell the ability to read minds coupled with martial arts doesn't equal an instant win and low level telepathy is more help then reading body language (I can give you an example but wont risk confusing you again with something off topic).

Heres what you need to know Batman can break even with Batgirl (when not interested in fighting), Dare Devil can beat Batman and Elektra is a better and more ruthless fighter then DD.

EDIT: The 2004 Avengers Handbook even has Cap listed as a 7 on Fighting Skill and if I can refer you to the back of the book Draco, a 7 is master of all forms of combat

laydiiplayette
Yeah, thats another thing, Elektra has no second thoughts about killing people.

yugotank
Ba Ba Buffy!
Buffy FTW!

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