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No Prep. This is Mainstream 616 Marvel not ultimate or anything. Who wins?

I think that if Wolverine tags Gambit - fight over. However to my limited knowledge Gambit and wolverine have fought three times with Gambit winning all their fights. (Although in two of them Gambit cheated and in the other one it wasn't really wolverine but a skrull impostor.

Anyone?

Wolverine and Gambit have fought twice (not counting the Skrull), and to my knowledge their record is 1-1.

This is just a tossup, 50/50.

Damn. this is truly a hard fight. i like both characters and they both have many advantages. I think now Wolverine would win because,according to www.uncannyxmen.net only way to kill Wolverine is to behead him then separate the head from his body. I dont see Gambit being able to do that. Now if we are talking "classic" Wolvie,it could go either way.

They fought in a Ultimate X-men issue once too I belive.

Gambit had a hold on Wolverines claws somehow and charged them up and told Wolverine to bow down or die. Not in those words either.

But I think Wolverine would win.

Wolverine did beat Gambit pretty easy in that first Shadow King Saga.

Originally posted by black robb
Damn. this is truly a hard fight. i like both characters and they both have many advantages. I think now Wolverine would win because,according to www.uncannyxmen.net only way to kill Wolverine is to behead him then separate the head from his body. I dont see Gambit being able to do that. Now if we are talking "classic" Wolvie,it could go either way.

Gambit could easily beat wolverine by charging his adamantium skeleton.

The hard part is touching the claws

If both are going all out, there no doubt Gambit would be gutted before charging his first card.

Gambit now, and wolverine now, Gambit. Before they fukced them up. Wolverine.

Originally posted by black robb
Damn. this is truly a hard fight. i like both characters and they both have many advantages. I think now Wolverine would win because,according to www.uncannyxmen.net only way to kill Wolverine is to behead him then separate the head from his body. I dont see Gambit being able to do that. Now if we are talking "classic" Wolvie,it could go either way.
Wolverine is not a vampire......vampire

No it clearly states wolvie can be killed,and his organs are a huge weak spot. This aint highlander,and gambit charged wolvies skull, and blew it showing that his adamantium is coated not bonded, and that makes it not organic.

In an Excalibur issue, they where looking over Pro. X's on the x-men on what to do if any member went rogue... the file said the only way to kill Wolverine was to cut off his head and get it 10 feet away from his body.

Whoever wrote that issue was entirely full of SH*T.
EVERY Marvel description of Wolverine states very clearly
what the limitations of his healing are.
It takes several minutes to an hour to completely heal from gunshots.
He CAN be killed with enough blood loss and injury to vital areas.

exactly, wolverine has become too inconsistant and overrated to hardly debate anymore,many char have been hitting him harder than a gunshot and he doesn;t fall, the accurate wolvie is down for a moment after he is hit by something powerful like the hulk, but they do that so he can stand up to him.

Originally posted by Zahit
Whoever wrote that issue was entirely full of SH*T.
EVERY Marvel description of Wolverine states very clearly
what the limitations of his healing are.
It takes several minutes to an hour to completely heal from gunshots.
He CAN be killed with enough blood loss and injury to vital areas.

When was the last time you saw Wolverine take minutes to heal from a bullet? His healing factor is a lot faster then it was when he first came around. No way to know what can kill him unless he dies... and um, stays dead. So far he has died a bunch can came back to life because of his healing factor; no way to know what can kill him

exactly, making him a little inconsistant, don't you agree

regardless this match goes either way.

death means the TOTAL AND PERMENANT end to ALL vital functions.
If he is dead, he cant LOGICALLY come back making it a paradox.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was the last time you saw Wolverine take minutes to heal from a bullet? His healing factor is a lot faster then it was when he first came around. No way to know what can kill him unless he dies... and um, stays dead. So far he has died a bunch can came back to life because of his healing factor; no way to know what can kill him
So now you think he's immortal. He just "comes back to life?"
Then again, you also think Wolverine can beat Godzilla....
CHEERS.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
exactly, making him a little inconsistant, don't you agree

regardless this match goes either way.

death means the TOTAL AND PERMENANT end to ALL vital functions.
If he is dead, he cant LOGICALLY come back making it a paradox.

Hehe... logic left comics aloooooong time ago. Didn't you hear? He took is brother physics with him.

Wolverine has two power levels, the one he operates on when he fights bricks and the one he operates on when he fights other street levels. Aside from a a rare nuke feat he is pretty consistent but yes he is much stronger then he was when he first came around (less so then he was in the 80s though) but that is bound to happen isn't it? We don't rag on Spidy for getting leagues stronger then he was when he first came out to we? Or the Hulk?

Anyway, Wolverine should start going back to the good old days soon enough. He is only a member of two teams right now and I'm betting New Avengers wont last to long. But will everyone still hate Wolverine like they do the Punisher after his popularity ride is over? Only time will tell.

Originally posted by Zahit
So now you think he's immortal. He just "comes back to life?"
Then again, you also think Wolverine can beat Godzilla....
CHEERS.

The only differance between Wolverine and a character like Deathstroke is Wolverine has never said he is immortal. He has died and came back to life from the power of his healing factor before; it wouldnt be to much a of a stretch if a writer decided to make him immortal. Doesn't surprise me you dont know this though Zahit, you still think it takes Wolverine minutes to hours to heal from bullets... So that means what? You havent read a Wolverine comic in the last 10-15 years?

Spiderman was ALWAYS a ten-ton lifter.
Hulk ALWAYS had potentially limitless strength.
Wolverine DID NOT always take the punishment he does now.
Marvel kept writing him more and more powerful the more
popular he became, and the more fanboys mailed marvel about it.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.

Regardless, wolvie ain't immortal , and he has been hyped up many times.

Originally posted by Zahit
Spiderman was ALWAYS a ten-ton lifter.
Hulk ALWAYS had potentially limitless strength.
Wolverine DID NOT always take the punishment he does now.
Marvel kept writing him more and more powerful the more
popular he became, and the more fanboys mailed marvel about it.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.

Teenage Spider-man was not in the 10 range...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Teenage Spider-man was not in the 10 range...
When Marvel introduced Spiderman in 1962, they clearly stated
that the only other Marvel heroes who were stronger than him
then were Thor, Hulk, and Thing. When he started he was
most definitely at or close to the 10-ton mark.

In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.
The fanboys argue that he can lift 1 or 2 tons.
Now Wolverine gets knocked across the room by Daredevil in one book,
then takes 2 from Namor without falling in another book, same month.
Is this how you want them to write your favorite character?
Is this what you call consistency?
Get the picture?

Wolverine fanboyism period.

Originally posted by Zahit
When Marvel introduced Spiderman in 1962, they clearly stated
that the only other Marvel heroes who were stronger than him
then were Thor, Hulk, and Thing. When he started he was
most definitely at or close to the 10-ton mark.

In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.
The fanboys argue that he can lift 1 or 2 tons.
Now Wolverine gets knocked across the room by Daredevil in one book,
then takes 2 from Namor without falling in another book, same month.
Is this how you want them to write your favorite character?
Is this what you call consistency?
Get the picture?

I already said that Wolverine has two different powerlevels (in this tread even) one for fighting high level bricks and one for fighting street level heroes. Is powerlevel isn't all over the place... it is in one of two places

Yea,thats not fair, you might as well say CU spidey and spidey are the same and interchangeable to use in a debate.

well there SHOULDN'T be 2 wolverines.
there is only ONE wolverine.
and he should be portrayed consistantly!
and that......is the problem with marvel comics.

Originally posted by Zahit
well there SHOULDN'T be 2 wolverines.
there is only ONE wolverine.
and he should be portrayed consistantly!
and that......is the problem with marvel comics.

Could be worse, he could be Superman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Could be worse, he could be Superman.
these days, he is.

Originally posted by Zahit
In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.

Cry me a river, the same things you're saying is happening to Wolverine is happening to other characters as well.

Iceman has gotten insanely powerful, as has Magneto.

And even dear old Spiderman. In fact his strength upgrade is more than Wolverine's was.


5 tons > 300 pounds.


You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cry me a river, the same things you're saying is happening to Wolverine is happening to other characters as well.

Iceman has gotten insanely powerful, as has Magneto.

And even dear old Spiderman. In fact his strength upgrade is more than Wolverine's was.


5 tons > 300 pounds.


You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.


hes got a point there but explaniations are allways nice

Originally posted by Creshosk
You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.

Yes it has, you monster...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Yes it has, you monster... I'm going to bombard 6 people with radiation. . . They should all get the same power. . .

Lets see this one transforms into a creature that gets stronger the madder he gets. . .

This one bursts into flame and can fly and shoot flame.

This one turned into a superstrong rock creature.

This one can turn invisible and project force feilds

This one can stretch like crazy

This one seems to have gotten some wierd radar sense


Now then, lets move onto genetic mutation known as the X-Gene. . .


This one seems to be able to manipulate metal. . .

This one seems to be a telepath . . .


Get the point?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm going to bombard 6 people with radiation. . . They should all get the same power. . .

Lets see this one transforms into a creature that gets stronger the madder he gets. . .

This one bursts into flame and can fly and shoot flame.

This one turned into a superstrong rock creature.

This one can turn invisible and project force feilds

This one can stretch like crazy

This one seems to have gotten some wierd radar sense


Now then, lets move onto genetic mutation known as the X-Gene. . .


This one seems to be able to manipulate metal. . .

This one seems to be a telepath . . .


Get the point?

Is that really inconsistency, though?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Is that really inconsistancy, though? Yes. Yes, it is.

Ten different people have ten different powers due to the same reason, is inconsistency.

Different wavelengths of radiation maybe? Different genotypes coupled with the same X gene could produce near limitless possibilities. Inconsistency is present, but consistency is not totally absent.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Different wavelengths of radiation maybe? The fantastic four were hit by the same patch of radiation. . .

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Different genotypes coupled with the same X gene could produce near limitless possibilities. Inconsistency is present, but consistency is not totally absent. There could probably be a range as to what it could produce but nothing as wild as everything from Magnetic control to telepathy to super strength . . etc. . .

So if they write Wolverine flying it outer space and shooting lasers from his eyes there would be no problem?

Can't he already do that?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The fantastic four were hit by the same patch of radiation. . .

There could probably be a range as to what it could produce but nothing as wild as everything from Magnetic control to telepathy to super strength . . etc. . . One beam of light contains several different wavelengths. Same is true for a field of radiation.

If you mean comics are inconsistant with reality you're 100% correct. But inconsistency within the comics themselves isn't as rampant as you imply.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was the last time you saw Wolverine take minutes to heal from a bullet? His healing factor is a lot faster then it was when he first came around. No way to know what can kill him unless he dies... and um, stays dead. So far he has died a bunch can came back to life because of his healing factor; no way to know what can kill him

this is true, Wolverines healing factor is really powerful and has done some amazing feats. He's grown back all the flesh on his arm in several minutes. He's survived all the adamantium in his body being ripped out by Magneto- every single bone being wrenched and the body being almost destroyed by the process of taking it out.

However, he DOES have limits. He stated himself that it depends on his immune system and that it can max out. He needs rest to keep it up to full and too much strain on it will cause it to fail.

However, he still takes gambit, I say.

Originally posted by Zahit
Spiderman was ALWAYS a ten-ton lifter.
Hulk ALWAYS had potentially limitless strength.
Wolverine DID NOT always take the punishment he does now.
Marvel kept writing him more and more powerful the more
popular he became, and the more fanboys mailed marvel about it.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.

big deal, same thing happened to superman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cry me a river, the same things you're saying is happening to Wolverine is happening to other characters as well.

Iceman has gotten insanely powerful, as has Magneto.

And even dear old Spiderman. In fact his strength upgrade is more than Wolverine's was.


5 tons > 300 pounds.


You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.

Proportionate wise this is not so in regards to the strength upgrade, though comics need to make money..............

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
big deal, same thing happened to superman.

and Batman I might add

Well this threads doing OK. I think this is a good match up cos every hit counts especially for gambit cos he cant take as much punishment as wolvie.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
One beam of light contains several different wavelengths. Same is true for a field of radiation.

If you mean comics are inconsistant with reality you're 100% correct. But inconsistency within the comics themselves isn't as rampant as you imply.

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No?

How come no one is talking about Gambit,this forum isnt just about Wolverine you know?

Originally posted by black robb
How come no one is talking about Gambit,this forum isnt just about Wolverine you know? Looks like its the Wolverine haters that provoked the divergance from Wolverine vs Gambit to a discussion about Wolverine.

well seeing as there are multiple wolverines.............

can gambit chaeghe his claws

Originally posted by black wolverine
can gambit chaeghe his claws yes

What bout speed who's faster?

Wolverine would DESTROY Gambit.

wolverine jumps at gambit,
gambit charges his staff, stabs wolverine and lets it explode.

Well it would be like that...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/UncannyX-Men28015.jpg

lol

they also fought in ultimate, gambit broke his staff by attempting to smash it on wolverines head, wolverine pins gambit, gambit threatens to blow up wolveribne by charging up his claws, wolverine backs off, gambit shoves his broken staff in wolvies mouth, blowing half his face off. later on they fight again, wolvie pins gambit again, gambit kicks wolvie in his leg, bending wolvies knee at an odd angle, it hurts wolvie but he laughs it off, snaps it back into place, then rogue breaks fight up, yea that was a good issue.. but yea, if wolvie went into bersekrer rage gambit is toast, and im a gambit fan