Galactus, Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Thanos, Onslaught, Hulk, Thor, Champion

severance

Maybe we ougth to give reasons rather than just different permutations

Galactus - eats worlds. Older than the universe. Mondo power cosmic. Hes got everything
Thanos - Immortal, mad as a wardrobe, got muscle and energy and science. Loses to big G - just cos
Apocalypse - Several thousand years old, immeasurable physical power. Can pull powers out of his *ss. Loses to Thanos cos Thanos is insane and will come up with some mad way of winning.
Silver Surfer - Mini Galactus, power cosmic, warp speed cosmic awareness. Loses to pack-o-lips cos Norrins not really a fighter. Despite having loads of power will get sucker punched by A
Champion- like Hulk on steroids, 9ft 5000lbs (good reach), very, very experienced fighter. Loses to SS cos has no ranged attack and cannot fly.
Gladiator - when confident almost a pre-crisis superman. Warp speed +, very powerful and virtually indestructible. Loses to Champ cos Champ is so damn big G will sh*t a brick. Or Champ is the best martial artist in the universe, but Glads pride will make him go hand to hand rather than heat vision and he will lose
Thor- Great fighter plus Mjolnir, lightening , antiforce blast, wings on his hat. Will lose to Glads because Glads is too fast and too indestructible.
Hulk - (savage )HulK, can support 150 billion t, pretty tough , heals real quick. will lose to Thor because Thor is too versatile and a much better fighter.
Juggernaut - Unstoppable, virtually indestructible, force field thingy. Will lose to anyone on list because all he's got is ability to walk and keep walking. It may take a long time but anyone on this list can outfight him he's to slow and predictable.

GODSCRIBE

nice, severance

severance

anyone like to take a stab at where beyonder fits into the list

GODSCRIBE

Galactus
Thanos
Silver Surfer
Onslaught
Gladiator
Thor
Champion
Apocalypse
Hulk
Juggernaut

perfect list

The Ion

Originally posted by armandovalles
WINNER
1. Galactus
2. Onslaught
3. Thanos
4. Apocalypse
5. Champion
6. Silver Surfer
7. Gladiator
8. Juggernaut
9. Thor
10. Hulk
LOSER
yes

GODSCRIBE

Apocalypse over Silver Surfer? you've got to be kidding me

Crease

1. Galactus- No explanation really necesary...Balance between Eternity and Death. He can bestow the power Cosmic, instantly putting YOU on this list...that's power.
2. Thanos - Has ascended to be the supreme being in the universe...SEVERAL times.
3. Champion- Underestimated on these boards...Champion has mastered every known fighting style in the universe, is immortal, base level strength and durability right up there with Thanos (Skyfather level). And let's not forget the Power Primordial.
4. SS- Mini Galactus...nuff said.
5. Onslaught- Much more than the sum of his parts...I once thought onslaught was an utterly stupid concept from Marvel, but looking back, they missed out bigtime getting rid of him. Give him the ability to exist in outer space and he's skyfather level.
6. Gladiator- Feared throughout the galaxy for a reason...Supes on steroids...if he's confident (Dumb @$$ trait if you ask me). The only guys in the universe who can beat up on him head up are ahead of him on this list, and SS is debateable.
7. Apocolypse- Thanos potential, just never realized. Genius level intellect, immesureable strentgh, supposedly immortal, shapeshifting, energy manipulation, the list goes on and on. In the end, the biggest underachiever in comics history.
8. Juggernaut- It got really tough right here...Thor is actually much, much more versatile, but Juggy whipped his blond @$$ every time they fought...Somebody else on the forum hit it on the head: Juggernaut did Doomsday 20 years before Doomsday.
9. Thor- Assuming this is not RKT, his only fault here is he's can't whoop anyone's ass on this list. If this IS RKT, he's #2, and everyone else gets bumped down a notch.
10. Hulk_ As much as I love the concept of Hulk, he's got nuttin but physical strength...nuttin else. And that don't cut it on this list.

Great post by the way
cool

scotsmn

1. Galactus
2. Onslaught
3. Thanos
4. Mindless Hulk
5. Juggernaut
6. Champion
7. Thor
8. Gladiator
9. Silver Surfer
10. Apocalypse

gautam

1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Onslaught
4. Champion
5. Apocalypse
6. Silver Surfer
7. Gladiator
8. Juggernaut
9. Thor
10. Hulk

kgkg

Why is Cham always Above SS?
SS beat his ass so please Apoc can't even handle the likes of Cable

thesilverspider

Originally posted by kgkg
Why is Cham always Above SS?
SS beat his ass so please Apoc can't even handle the likes of Cable

exactly........the surfer has beaten champion

Ex11B

poor hulk...almost always on the bottom of these types of matches...but i KNOW what can take the #1 spot.....socks that have been on a bums feet for 3 months straight..now even Galactus detours that

Metalmanx

WINNER
1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Silver Surfer
4. Onslaught
5. Apocalypse
6. Gladiator
7. Juggernaut
8. Champion
9. Thor
10. Hulk
LOSER

There's no way in hell that Juggernaut would be below Hulk. You people are insane for thinking differently.

7yearsjudoka

You forget it took the combined might of Galactus and many other heroes and villains alike to defeat Onslaught. Onslaught is definitely first.

7yearsjudoka

Oh and Apocalypse got owned by Onslaught also.

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by 7yearsjudoka
You forget it took the combined might of Galactus and many other heroes and villains alike to defeat Onslaught. Onslaught is definitely first.
I'm pretty sure Galactus wasn't part of the Onslaught saga. You didn't see any pink ankles in any panels did you?

And I think Dr. Doom was the only villain that helped. I'm not sure though.

Eternity

Galactus
onslaught
War hulk{fully enraged} {HULK beat gladiator and destroyed onslaughts armour}He also beat thanos with armour x man gave him what of with celestial armour and power o two universes?
thanos
ss
champion
Thor{has lost to hulk countless of times}
Juggernaut{same thing}
Apocalypse{lost to many of earths mutants}
LOSER

Swanky-Tuna

The topic creater said nothing about War Hulk and Hulk had help becoming cheesed off enough to crack Onslaught's armor and doing that in this situation would only make Onslaught's rank rise.

Eternity

Hulk still beat gladiator so he is still above him but below thanos and ss

Space M ummy

Any incarnation of Hulk is dead last on this list. War, mindless, or otherwise.

Galactus is self explanatory- he's #1 for a reason.

Thanos took out champion AND a warrior madness thor equipped with the power gem. (though not at the same time.) no version of Hulk is that strong. When he gets bored, Hulk gets teleported into the middle of the sun and annihilated.

Surfer can (and has) taken shots from an enraged hulk without blinking. He operates at speeds hulk can't even comprehend. On top of that, he can easily drain him of all his gamma energy and turn him back to banner with a flick of his wrist. Then into the nearest sun he goes, ending the fight.

Onslaught was a being of pure psionic energy, with professor X and magneto's full potential. Yes, an infinitely angry hulk unleashed by Jean Grey (which is arguably about as strong as hulk will EVER be) broke an ALREADY CRACKED Onslaught's armor, but that only made him stronger- he became a being of pure psionic energy. Good luck punching that. Hulk has no way to deal with something like this.

Apocalypse has already beaten hulk in a physical fight. How do you think he got to be war hulk in the first place? Apoc also isnt stupid enough to make one of his creations more powerful than he is, and has plenty celestial tech integrated into his armor if he really needs to use it. Apoc also can easily fight in space, where hulk can't, and can adapt ANY POWER AT ALL that he needs to kill the hulk. A non Jobbing Apocalypse simply wastes him from orbit, or uses sheer speed to take him down. Intelligently written, Apocalypse annihilates him.

Champion's power primordial gives him limitless strength to use no matter how angry he is. He's had the power gem, but it's little more than decoration for him. He also has millions of years of fighting experience and can go at warp speeds. Hulk is paste against him.

Classic Juggernaut has fought hulk to standstills before, but has one huge advantage. Juggernaut will never, ever, ever get tired, doesn't need to eat, and has an inexhaustible power supply. He doesn't need to stay angry to gain limitless strength. Hulk has potentially unlimited strength, but not unlimited stamina. The fight might take a long time, but Jugs will eventually kill him. Current Huggernaut gets murdered though.

Thor has lost to hulk before, but only because he insists on grappling with him hand to hand and not use mjolnir's full potential. He could one shot the hulk with the godforce if he wanted to, strike him with endless lightning bolts from a comfortable distance, etc etc. His speed should also be too much for Hulk, (he's the strongest AND fastest of the gods) though he's rarely written that way.

I think that about covers it. Everyone else is simply too versatile, or too fast for the hulk to deal with.

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by Eternity
Hulk still beat gladiator so he is still above him but below thanos and ss
Hulk beat Gladiator because he mysteriously knew Gladiator was weak to certain radiations. And there convienently was a power plant that emitted such radiations nearby. It even had a sign on it that read "For the purposes of beating Gladiator ONLY!"

Alright, I made that last part up.

Ex11B

This is starting to look like a"Reasons why Hulk can get beat down by the following.."Does anyone else want to add their favorite god---uh,I mean superhero to this thread

Batgod
Wolvergod
laughing

Eternity

Hulk has defeated thor when he used mjolnir before using mjolnir simply pissed hulk off and made him beat thor even more. Apocalypse was only able to control war because war saw him as a father figure.
He has also lost to mutants much weaker than hulk. Juggernaut has lost to hulk many times. In incredible hulk 172 helost multiple times. Jugs lost to war hulk even with absorbing mans help. Jugs has only beaten prof hulk and this was when hulk was trying to know who he was because he was not wearing his armour and he was then suckerpunched.
When hulk did not show much resistance to whom he was fighting juggernaut continued and finally knocked him out.
Thanos was defeated by hulk with armour given to him by X man. War hulk has celestial armour which is far greater than that of x man. A young maestro has also defeated a warrior mad thor. Hulk has defeated fast people such as gladiator and speed freak so champs speed will not be a problem.

Hulk was beating gladiator before he threw him into the nuclear plant.Gladiator blasted him with laser eye beams and hulk got mad blocked the beams and blew them up in gladiators face He then proceded to throw gladiator into the nuclear plant and beat gladiator further.

Swanky-Tuna

Juggernaut and Hulk have only really had one win against each other out of all their fights and they're both kinda tainted. Juggernaut lost to War Hulk because of Celestial tech and Hulk lost to Juggernaut because he thought the guy beating his ass was a normal construction worker. Who makes that mistake? How many 11 foot redheads do you know, Hulk?

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
Hulk has defeated thor when he used mjolnir before using mjolnir simply pissed hulk off and made him beat thor even more. Apocalypse was only able to control war because war saw him as a father figure.
He has also lost to mutants much weaker than hulk. Juggernaut has lost to hulk many times. In incredible hulk 172 helost multiple times. Jugs lost to war hulk even with absorbing mans help. Jugs has only beaten prof hulk and this was when hulk was trying to know who he was because he was not wearing his armour and he was then suckerpunched.
When hulk did not show much resistance to whom he was fighting juggernaut continued and finally knocked him out.
Thanos was defeated by hulk with armour given to him by X man. War hulk has celestial armour which is far greater than that of x man. A young maestro has also defeated a warrior mad thor. Hulk has defeated fast people such as gladiator and speed freak so champs speed will not be a problem.

This is the forums, so CIS and PIS are OFF.

Hulk has beaten Thor only because thor didnt use mjolnir to its full potential. A Godforce Blast has cracked CELESTIAL Armor (so much for the "war hulk has celestial tech!" argument) , and sent Galactus screaming in pain and fleeing for his life. Hulk, War or Otherwise is nowhere NEAR that durable. And how can hulk deal with being endlessly beaten down with magical lightning from a distance? oh wait! he can't! Regular thor is also fast enough and powerful enough to beat the surfer. Twice. Surfer has punked the hulk on numerous occasions without breaking a sweat.

Maybe you werent paying attention when I said Apocalypse beat the hulk in physical combat before, how do you think he GOT TO BE WAR HULK IN THE FIRST PLACE? He didnt see apocalypse as a "father figure." he was being mind controlled like all of apocalypse's horsemen. i.e. Wolverine as death. Apocalypse has the same celestial tech to use as war hulk does, but would NEVER make a horseman stronger than he was. Apocalypse can also adapt ANY power he needs on the fly. War hulk is strong, but can't operate in space. Apocalypse can and has.

As for Jugs vs. Hulk- The hulk will eventually tire. Jugs won't. ever. read the nigh endless Jugs vs. Hulk debate thread, I won't go into that here.

Hulk defeated thanos with *random plot device* given to him by Xman? please. Thanos has dealt with far, far stronger beings than the hulk, and PIS/CIS off will teleport him into the nearest star, frying him instantly.

No version of Hulk is stronger than anyone with the power gem. read up on what the power gem is. Infinite power to whoever wields it. Thanos beat down Champion with the gem (who has an affinity and knows how to use it) and Warrior madness Thor with the gem, THEN went toe to toe with Odin. Odin busted out Gungnir and STILL couldnt KO thanos.

Gladiator Jobs to everyone. his speed and power vary so much as to be almost meaningless on this board. one minute he's going 100x lightspeed, the next he can't outrun a tidal wave without help. Speedfreak is slow as all hell. compared to surfer, thanos, and champion who can EXCEED LIGHT SPEED.

War hulk, which we arent even using here but for the sake of argument, isn't all that. he has the SAME TECH as apocalypse.

leonidas

<<Galactus, Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Thanos, Onslaught, Hulk, Thor, Champion and Silver Surfer.>>

hmm, weird list . . .

depending on who attacks who, this could go a LOT of ways. i think you're looking for a list based on perceived overall power, though. mine would go like this:

galactus
onslaught
thanos
thor
ss
glads
apoc
champ
juggs
hulk

again, it depends on who takes out who. onslaught has been able to ko juggs easily, but the others might have a harder time. ss has ko'd champ (with gem) which is why he's so low. drax one punched him when he didn't have the gem so he's clearly not THAT powerful without it. MAYBE back when he was first intro'd and a real character rather than a clown i might have put him higher . . . in fact, i would have placed him just below or above thanos back then . . . apoc has been stalemated by loki (and it even appeared loki had the upper hand) so that's why he is low. thor has beaten glads. thor and ss are VERY close imo and could possibly be reversed depending on how both are written. hulk has the lowest durability and has easy weaknesses for the higher ups to exploit. onslaught showed at least some high level reality altering power so i give him the nod over thanos while galactus is still galactus.

Eternity

Read the hulk 2001 annual hulk beat thor when thor used lightinig attacks on him he just got madder and beat the living hell out of thor.
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut. Thanos may have dealt with far stronger beings but he still did not deal with hulk. Hulk completely destroyed galadiator who is almost a carbon copy of superman.
Apocalypse has lost to many mutants it seems he is strong at times and and weak at other times. Thanos does not fight people at light speeds also.

leonidas

but i also said it depends on who fights who. all ss has to do is absorb the gamma rays out of him as he's done easily in the past. i doubt ss would let hulk stick around to get strong enough to do damage. he's also easily removed from the battle field by a number of the fighters.

Space M ummy

For the most part I agree with your list- thats about how it should go with a couple of exceptions.

Thor vs. Surfer has already happened- they're close but thor has beaten him more than once before. Full potential, surfer *should* take it though.

Check Champion's bio. He has unlimited strength, can go at warp speeds, and like the other elders of the universe- has a deal with death and can't actually die. Galactus was almost killed when he tried to consume the elders. (maybe this has been revoked, but if it has I havent heard about it)

Even without the gem he's a serious threat, but he has the same problem Gladiator does- he's a B level character who jobs to EVERYONE, even when he shouldnt.

leonidas

<<Even without the gem he's a serious threat, but he has the same problem Gladiator does- he's a B level character who jobs to EVERYONE, even when he shouldnt.>>

it's true, though bios aren't always reliable. he was beaten easily by drax AND ss. however, written properly (though i don't really know what 'properly' is for him anymore) and minusing all pis/cis i could see where others would place him higher. i also put thor above ss but i DO think it is very close.

Eternity

Hulk beat gladiator and badly so he should not be above hulk he has also beaten thor and juggernaut the thanos fight is debatable but these
guys mentioned have been beaten by hulk fact. A madly enraged hulk could take down thanos anyway

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
Read the hulk 2001 annual hulk beat thor when thor used lightinig attacks on him he just got madder and beat the living hell out of thor.
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut. Thanos may have dealt with far stronger beings but he still did not deal with hulk. Hulk completely destroyed galadiator who is almost a carbon copy of superman.
Apocalypse has lost to many mutants it seems he is strong at times and and weak at other times. Thanos does not fight people at light speeds also.

how is it in the same sentence you quote Gladiator as being a carbon copy of superman (who can go light speed), then say thanos does not fight people at light speeds? Thanos has faught and beaten Gladiator before. And the surfer. both of whom can and do fight and travel at lightspeeds.

Say it with me again: ANYONE WITH THE POWER GEM IS STRONGER THAN THE HULK. Thanos has beaten down people with much, much more power and speed than the hulk. you still havent adressed how the hulk would survive a teleport into the nearest star, which Thanos can easily do.

It doesn't matter how strong apocalypse is. everyone has high and low showings. the only showing that matters is the one where he beat down the hulk and turned him into his servant, USING HIS OWN TECH. no matter how strong war hulk is, he only got that way because thats how apocalypse made him. Apocalypse beats hulk 10/10.

Eternity

Champion did not fight hulk when he came to earth as hulk was disqualified and if thor beat him{ i am not to sure } then hulk can also beat him

Eternity

Hulk has also fought gladiator but was it at light speed? I also have read a few comics in which thanos fought surfer and NOOOOOOOOOO where did they say he did it at light speed. If apocalypse beating hulk is all that matters it therefore means that hulk beating thanos is all that matters as well. Thanos has also lost to thor before.

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
Champion did not fight hulk when he came to earth as hulk was disqualified and if thor beat him{ i am not to sure } then hulk can also beat him

Hulk and thor were both disqualified. Champion (who had no gem at the time) fought thing, and conceded defeat because he would have had to kill the thing to defeat him, and was unwilling to do so.

Surfer and thanos fight all the time. Surfer usually loses horribly. their fights have never been stated to take place at light speed, but since the surfer usually does engage in combat in high speeds in space, it would be sheer insanity to not do so when fighting his greatest adversary. If it was possible to speedblitz him, surfer and glads and champion and Odin and Drax and warlock et cetera would have done so.

Check thanos' bio- he's the strongest of all eternals, with total control of his molecular structure. he's as fast and powerful as he desires.

Eternity

Surfer does not speed blitz thanos because he is naive and does not usually use his powers well. Have you ever seen galctus fight at light speeds? Does that mean that he cant move through space at light speeds? no it does not

Space M ummy

Apocolypse beating hulk is all that matters since War Hulk (arguably
his strongest form) is a creation OF apocalypse, and thus inferior.

Hulk beating thanos only happened due to a random plot device and
the assistance of Xman. I don't see any Xman-provided suits hanging
around in this melee.

The surfer isn't "naive." He's used high speed tactics many times
before. Remember the fight vs. God cable? superspeed and matter
manipulation at the same time vs. Cable. Yet, he gets punked
horribly vs. Thanos.

and its not just the surfer. Warlock, Drax, ODIN, Tyrant...Thanos
tangles with beings capable of warp speeds on a regular basis. None
of them have taken him out. It involves a little logic, but if beings
who CAN speedblitz you CANT or WONT when you're a universal
threat, its logical to assume that that tactic WILL NOT WORK since he
can operate at that speed as well.

Also your galactus argument is also full of holes. If galactus can
make beings capable of traveling and fighting at light speed with a
wave of his hand (surfer, nova, etc), its not that much of a jump to
assume that he himself can as well.

Thanos has beaten thor AT HIS STRONGEST AND WITH THE GEM
many more times than the opposite has happened. Freaking ODIN
couldnt KO thanos. Thanos is way, way more powerful than any
incarnation of thor OR the hulk. Unless you want to argue that the
hulk is somehow more powerful than Odin is.

you still haven't adressed how the hulk would survive a teleport into
the nearest star, which thanos can easily do. Or a conversion to
stone, which thanos can also do. (thanos has matter manipulation)
Saying Hulk vs. Thanos is debatable is sheer lunacy.

Eternity

1.Hulk has resisted matter manipulation many times thanks his healing factor
2. Saying thanos fights at super speeds is what is lunacy
3. Celestial armour=greater than x mans armour
4. Thanos has beaten thor at his strongest but has also lost to thor when he was not at his strongest
5. fully enraged hulk has energy of a supernova and physical strength of two universes

If thanos is that much stronger than hulk then some help from X man would have not really mattered would it?

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by Eternity
hulk # 172 hulk beat the hell out juggernaut.
You mean when they fought to a standstill and Hulk in all his glorious savage hulk genius thinks he won because he popped Jug's helmet off then the X-men show up and mind-blast him?

Space M ummy

When exactly has hulk resisted matter manipulation of Thanos' caliber? Never.

The hulk does not have celestial armor. he has equipment produced with celestial technology
which is the EXACT SAME THING that apocalypse uses, because apocalypse GAVE IT TO HIM.
Cyclops Busted open Apocalypse's armor back in Xfactor with a full strength optic blast.
Black Bolt atomized apocalypse with a word in house of M.

Thanos is far, FAR stronger than either of these.

Thor has broken bona fide celestial armor on his own with the godforce. Hulk is paste.

Thanos' highest showings far outnumber his lowest showings. As I've said, he's beaten beings
with infinite strength more times than not. Hulk isn't even in the same class as a power gem wielder,
and Thanos has taken out at least two of those. (I think Drax also, at some point, but I'm not 100% sure.)

The energy of a supernova? please. That's pure BS, and even if it wasn't (for the sake of argument)
The powers of surfer and Odin and the gem are both far stronger than one supernova.
The surfer has flown through and absorbed stars. Odin is self explanatory. The Gem is **infinite power**

None of these could KO thanos.

Why am I even arguing this? you're clearly either a fanboy or a troll. Chalk it up to sunday morning boredom.

leonidas

Originally posted by Eternity
Hulk beat gladiator and badly so he should not be above hulk he has also beaten thor and juggernaut the thanos fight is debatable but these
guys mentioned have been beaten by hulk fact. A madly enraged hulk could take down thanos anyway

you are kidding, right? i thought i was pretty clear. SILVER SURFER ABSORBS HIS GAMMA ENERGY AND CHANGES HIM BACK TO BANNER! hulk is out of the fight before it even starts. if anyone wants to go h2h with hulk that's unrealistic. though i confess glads should likely be at the bottom because ss could also blast him with the radiation that is HIS weakness and hulk HAS beaten him.

and no, hulk has never beaten juggernaut -- and war hulk doesn't count.

leonidas

<<Why am I even arguing this? you're clearly either a fanboy or a troll. Chalk it up to sunday morning boredom.>>
yes

Eternity

Thor haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas lost to hulk so many times.mjolnir or not
You call being thrown into a mountain a standstill ridiculous
Say whatever you like X mans armour increased huks durability and strength. Hulk can reach these levels when enraged.
Hulk beats juggernaut anytime not even an issue
Hulk also beats gladiator
If enraged to onslaught level hulk caaaaaaaaaan beat thanos like it or not

Space M ummy

Originally posted by leonidas
you are kidding, right? i thought i was pretty clear. SILVER SURFER ABSORBS HIS GAMMA ENERGY AND CHANGES HIM BACK TO BANNER! hulk is out of the fight before it even starts. if anyone wants to go h2h with hulk that's unrealistic. though i confess glads should likely be at the bottom because ss could also blast him with the radiation that is HIS weakness and hulk HAS beaten him.

and no, hulk has never beaten juggernaut -- and war hulk doesn't count.

Glads isnt even IN this fight, and is nigh useless for comparison because
he jobs too much. If he was, going up against a melee with Galactus
AND thanos in it would pulverize his confidence. Sammy the Squid boy
would be able to knock his ass out then.

Eternity

Hulk has beaten juggernaut check hulk 172. Hulk throws him into a mountain

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
Thor haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas lost to hulk so many times.mjolnir or not
You call being thrown into a mountain a standstill ridiculous
Say whatever you like X mans armour increased huks durability and strength. Hulk can reach these levels when enraged.
Hulk beats juggernaut anytime not even an issue
Hulk also beats gladiator
If enraged to onslaught level hulk caaaaaaaaaan beat thanos like it or not

Can enraged Hulk survive a teleport into a star? no? game over.
Survive having his energy drained and turned into banner? no? game over.

Eternity

In this scenario hulk wont last that long but he is not going to come up last he will be ahead of jugs thor and gladiator at least

Eternity

Youre still here, with all these things he can do why didnt thanos just do this to hulk and xman the first time they fought?

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
In this scenario hulk wont last that long but he is not going to come up last he will be ahead of jugs thor and gladiator at least

you know, I completely forgot Gladiator is in this, that's how much of a non issue he is. Like I said before, Gladiator's powers are dependent
on his confidence. In a melee with Galactus and Thanos etc- his confidence will be at ZERO. he'll be worthless. Gladiator dead last, hulk right above him.

A godforce blast from thor is too much for hulk to deal with. It shatters TRUE celestial armor and sends galactus running for his life. It'll pulverize the hulk.

Juggernaut CAN survive a godforce blast, so he's one notch up from the hulk.

Why didnt thanos do that to Xman and the hulk? PIS. If he did that, there would be one dead Xman, and one dead hulk, and no more Xman or Hulk comics. same reason zoom hasn't speed blitzed the entire JLA, Darkseid hasn't omegabeamed everyone, etc etc

Eternity

You did not amswer my question and by the way juggernaut could simply be punched miles awy and he would be out of the fight. Thor has lost to hulk so hulk will do what he did to beat him before.

leonidas

<<In this scenario hulk wont last that long but he is not going to come up last he will be ahead of jugs thor and gladiator at least>>

no, thor can absorb way more damage because of his hammer. and thor has ko'd hulk with lightning before as well. thor could also remove him from battle. he could also use a godblast that destroyed the f'n DESTROYER to kill hulk. come on, in terms of strength hulk beats thor -- in terms of overall power, it's not close.

and kid, i have hulk 172 -- juggs was NOT beaten. he simply chose not to continue the fight. the fight would likely NEVER have ended.

CAN hulk reach thanos strength? i'll say yes, given enough time. but in this scenario it doesn't matter. and it would take more than just strength to beat thanos. thanos with a blast reduced him to a near skeleton in that annual where he fought thanos with nate's armor.

Space M ummy

Originally posted by Eternity
You did not amswer my question and by the way juggernaut could simply be punched miles awy and he would be out of the fight. Thor has lost to hulk so hulk will do what he did to beat him before.

I did answer your question. If thanos used an insta-kill like a solar teleport, it would make for bad comics. Why didn't he simply wipe all heroes from existence when he had the infinity gauntlet,
rather than toying and fighting with them for several issues? same reason.

But this isnt comics, this is the forums, and these characters are at their full potential. so things will play out differently.if a character CAN use a tactic, they will.

Punching Juggernaut miles away will not kill him. This should be obvious. Onslaught threw him across a continent
and it didn't KO him. he was pissing himself in fear, but it didnt KO him.

Juggernaut has a healing factor equal to the hulk, equivalent (limitless) strength, but DOES NOT TIRE.
War hulk aside (which isnt in this fight) Hulk will eventually tire out,
need to eat, etc or so on. Juggernaut will keep going, since he is inexhaustible.

The Ion

Originally posted by Eternity
Youre still here, with all these things he can do why didnt thanos just do this to hulk and xman the first time they fought?
Because it was a Thanos clone. Practically all of Thanos' losses have retconned into being a Thanos clone.

Space M ummy

Originally posted by The Ion
Because it was a Thanos clone. Practically all of Thanos' losses have retconned into being a Thanos clone.

lol. ah, the "doombot defense." you could have saved me a lot of time (and arguably fun) by chiming in with that earlier!

The Ion

Sorry, I just woke up. embarrasment

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by Eternity
You call being thrown into a mountain a standstill ridiculous
For Hulk and Juggernaut? Yeah. mountains are like pillows to them. In that very same fight Juggernaut was plowing Hulk into probably the very same rock structure he was thrown into and kicking him all over the ground.

jasofisc

I agreed with armandovalles' list. Onslaught would be the tuff one to beat. I say that because for nearly a year onslaught toyed with every superhero on earth (basicly) and his goal was never to kill any of the hero's but have them assest in him geting greater power so that he could control everything via a psionic method. The only time the heros were able to do anything outside of Onslaught's will was when they sacrificed themselves to give him a new shell that could be destroyed. No person on this list can even compair with onslaught's cunning (even doctor doom played into his hands, when he was trying to break onslaughts shell) and the only person that has greater power is Galactus. Galactus will be able to break his shell and unlike any other single person that's below his level be able to contain Onslaught and then kill himself their by killing Onslaught. no one else ont he list has a chance because even if they break his shell (which they wont unless he lets them) they can't do much about his psionic form

GODSCRIBE

Hulk, potentially could be last. Galactus and Surfer can revert him back to Banner by manipulating the gamma energy in him. He's done it before. For the benefit of the doubt, I put him ahead of Juggs, otherwise he'd be dead last.

And there's no way Thanos isn't 2nd. He's knocked out In-Betweener before- with a punch. And IB is not to far off from G at moderate power.

Space M ummy

Originally posted by jasofisc
I agreed with armandovalles' list. Onslaught would be the tuff one to beat. I say that because for nearly a year onslaught toyed with every superhero on earth (basicly) and his goal was never to kill any of the hero's but have them assest in him geting greater power so that he could control everything via a psionic method. The only time the heros were able to do anything outside of Onslaught's will was when they sacrificed themselves to give him a new shell that could be destroyed. No person on this list can even compair with onslaught's cunning (even doctor doom played into his hands, when he was trying to break onslaughts shell) and the only person that has greater power is Galactus. Galactus will be able to break his shell and unlike any other single person that's below his level be able to contain Onslaught and then kill himself their by killing Onslaught. no one else ont he list has a chance because even if they break his shell (which they wont unless he lets them) they can't do much about his psionic form

Onslaught vs. Thanos is a tough match. Thanos does have incredible psionic resistance as well as the ability to attack that way, as well as insane matter an energy manipulation which WILL hurt onslaught.

If onslaught's energy manipulation is on par with or less than the surfer (reasonable to assume, since he gets it from magneto) I think Thanos can take him eventually.

leonidas

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Onslaught vs. Thanos is a tough match. Thanos does have incredible psionic resistance as well as the ability to attack that way, as well as insane matter an energy manipulation which WILL hurt onslaught.

If onslaught's energy manipulation is on par with or less than the surfer (reasonable to assume, since he gets it from magneto) I think Thanos can take him eventually.

there's a great thanos v onslaught thread on the first or second page. there is also a good onslaught v tyrant thread. you should chime in . . . wink

jasofisc

but the problem with Onslaught is that what can thanos or anybody else on this list do if they break his shell. They don't have enough power to contain Onslaught psionic form. And why would "insane matter an energy manipulation" hurt onslaught theirs no proff to suggest that. Onlaught has the realty manipulation powers which he could use to turn thanos and ever other person on the list except Galactus into a tricycle.
furthermore onslaught has a lot more power then SS considering it took nearly every hero on earth to contain him. Onslaught has a lot more then megneto's powers he also has Prof. X, x-man, and Mr. fantasic's kid.

Swanky-Tuna

That all depends if he's allowed to have Franklin Richards' powers. I think he was only using Franklin's powers and never actually absorbed them.

jasofisc

when he first got Franklin he was only using fraklin's powers but toward teh end of the saga Onslaught was able to use fraklin's powers as if they where his own. (the whole sun in the sky thing)

kgkg

Originally posted by leonidas
<<In this scenario hulk wont last that long but he is not going to come up last he will be ahead of jugs thor and gladiator at least>>

no, thor can absorb way more damage because of his hammer. and thor has ko'd hulk with lightning before as well. thor could also remove him from battle. he could also use a godblast that destroyed the f'n DESTROYER to kill hulk. come on, in terms of strength hulk beats thor -- in terms of overall power, it's not close.

and kid, i have hulk 172 -- juggs was NOT beaten. he simply chose not to continue the fight. the fight would likely NEVER have ended.

CAN hulk reach thanos strength? i'll say yes, given enough time. but in this scenario it doesn't matter. and it would take more than just strength to beat thanos. thanos with a blast reduced him to a near skeleton in that annual where he fought thanos with nate's armor.
but why is Thor so high in that list?

He isn't that fast.

Here Hulk vs Thor -------- Hulk can punch and hurt Thor badly

Hulk attacks SS ---------- Nothing happens.

He even battle Mindless Hulk and took all his best shots.

The problem is Durability thor might have higher “Firepower” lack durability or Speed

leonidas

Originally posted by kgkg
but why is Thor so high in that list?

He isn't that fast.

Here Hulk vs Thor -------- Hulk can punch and hurt Thor badly

Hulk attacks SS ---------- Nothing happens.

He even battle Mindless Hulk and took all his best shots.

The problem is Durability thor might have higher “Firepower” lack durability or Speed

the only 3 i would DEFINITELY say could beat thor 1on1 are thanos onslaught and galactus. all the others could end up a variety of ways depending on who does what to whom. it's basically the top 3 then everyone else i think. i give thor the overall edge in power compared to who's left, and speed is not the determining factor you and some others claim it is. there have been cases where speed has given thor some trouble, but in general he has done just fine against anyone he's battled.

but i steadfastly REFUSE to turn this into a ss v thor thread . . .

kgkg

Originally posted by leonidas
the only 3 i would DEFINITELY say could beat thor 1on1 are thanos onslaught and galactus. all the others could end up a variety of ways depending on who does what to whom. it's basically the top 3 then everyone else i think. i give thor the overall edge in power compared to who's left, and speed is not the determining factor you and some others claim it is. there have been cases where speed has given thor some trouble, but in general he has done just fine against anyone he's battled.

but i steadfastly REFUSE to turn this into a ss v thor thread . . .

1vs 1
Gladiator --- defeated thor , Thor needs help
Juggernaut---------- Need i say more he always beat the shit out Thor
Thanos----------- Thor's best attack well didn't do much.
Hulk--------------Hmm he did beat Thor few times ( tho thor didn't go all out) -------- am question durability here
Champion-------------- Thor has never defeated him, when they first Showed him he was punking Thor easily

Thor might have a lot of Firepower but he can't dodge attacks...............

The person with a variety of powers will be on top , and thor is all OFFENSE.

Ex11B

unreal....

leonidas

Originally posted by Ex11B
unreal....

confused

you mean kg? yah, but like i said, you get used to him.

big grin

btw, one mass godblast takes out most of them. and for the record, thor is HELLA durable.

jasofisc

I agree god blast will take out most except for the higher ups, like Galactus Onslaught and thanos but I don't really know if thanos would survie it. (Juggernaut maybe, but he's been powered down)

scotsmn

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Apocolypse beating hulk is all that matters

Maybe I'm confused. I thought Apocalypse talked Hulk into becoming Death... I don't recall Hulk being "beaten up." Am I not remembering the scene correctly? Do you have the scan? Anyone?

Space M ummy

Apocalypse talked him into it AFTER choking him out with his cables, etc.

Then used his own tech to upgrade him and make him stronger. Apocalypse should defeat War hulk 9/10, since he's essentially apocalypse's own creation.

jasofisc

here's the scan I can't remember who I got it from

leonidas

why does everyone assume war hulk is graeter than savage? hulk has no limit to his strength. why would war hulk be an upgrade? and apoc is shown holding hulk, NOT beating him, and he is never shown ko'ing hulk at any point or FORCIBLY MAKING HIM be war hulk.

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by leonidas
why does everyone assume war hulk is graeter than savage? hulk has no limit to his strength. why would war hulk be an upgrade?
Yeah, Celestial armor is a total downgrade! Punching will always work and having a shell of Celestial energy is nothing but a lightshow! It's not like Celestials do anything but kick the crap out of everyone.

Eternity

War hulk does have unlimited strength and all of savages powers. IN addition he has celestial armour that increased his strength durability and so on.

jasofisc

too true Eteernity and anybody that can hold down an angry hulk deserves respect, however apoc never get any. (however I can see why people think that after the whole house of M crap)

Crease

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yeah, Celestial armor is a total downgrade! Punching will always work and having a shell of Celestial energy is nothing but a lightshow! It's not like Celestials do anything but kick the crap out of everyone.

laughing

...Sarcasm is the sweetest joy...next to gettin P%$$Y...and revenge evil face

leonidas

<<Yeah, Celestial armor is a total downgrade! Punching will always work and having a shell of Celestial energy is nothing but a lightshow! It's not like Celestials do anything but kick the crap out of everyone.>>

<<War hulk does have unlimited strength and all of savages powers. IN addition he has celestial armour that increased his strength durability and so on.>>

hmm, okay. anyone have any actual PROOF that war hulk was an improvement over savage hulk . . .?

<<...Sarcasm is the sweetest joy...next to gettin P%$$Y...and revenge>>

nah, the sweetest joy is making people look stupid when they say something that they've read somewhere on the forum, likely have never read themselves, and when later asked for proof to support their claim HAVE no proof.

now THAT is sweet . . .

big grin

BobbyD

I have an interesting question re: this thread....

If Thanos, knowing how cunning and intelligent he is, being fully aware that Galactus is the hardest to take down here, were to convince ALL the other contestants in this thread to first take out Galactus, would they succeed?

BobbyD

That is the question..... yes

Any answers, anyone? *cricket heard chirping in the distance* Hello?

whistle

leonidas

no, though i suppose it would depend on g's power level. the non-cosmics wouldn't have much to offer in teh figth. a similar group got TRASHED EASILY by tyrant who is not even as strong as g. some might argue that onslaught alone could take out g (an interesting discussion), but i don't think so, nor do i think (if he is not low in power) that they could all do it together.

leonidas

oh, and RE: the war hulk issue. the only improvement i saw was his sword. give savage a sword and he could also easily chop off juggs helmet.

jasofisc

the proff for war hulk is the fact that he stoped the forward movement of the juggernaut. And man handled the absorbing man.

jasofisc

"proof" not proff my spelling skills are horrible. by the way has savage ever stoped the forward movement of the juggernaut.

leonidas

don't think they ever had a test they way they did in that issue, but i see no reason why savage COULDN'T stop him of he got angry enough. and savage has manhandled absorbing man in the past and tossed juggs around as well. even prof tossed juggs around a bit after he realized who he was.

all's i'm saying is there wasn't enough evidence (war wasn't around long enough) for everyone to be making unsubstantiated claims about him and his power level. MAYBE he was more powerful, but based on his appearance, there was nothing to say he was stronger, more durable than savage. just that he had a sword . . .

BobbyD

Thanks, Leo.

leonidas

no prob. just my opinion though. i'd love to hear what others think. it WAS an interesting question.

The Ion

Depends on what level G is at. Thanos has done decent damage to Galactus before. Half the team would get one shotted into oblivion though.

BobbyD

...thought I had to ask, Ion. Thanks for your response. I could easily see Thanos doing this, knowing he couldn't take G alone.

Yeah, I think it would come down to whether or not Big G recently fed or not.

HigH ScholaR

read a post mentioning about hulk and matter manipulation resistance, well here's what was availablre at the hulk respect thread countering any matter/molecualr rearanging done to Hulk

Glazier's transmutation power fails against the Hulk:
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6061/GlassHulk.jpg

The Grey Gargoyle has turned Banner into stone. When night falls, a power that works on Thor...
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6466/GGargoyleHulk.jpg

Banner (and obviously the Hulk) is unaffected the Evolutionary's devolving power:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/7897/evolutionary17or.jpg

Goom shrinks the Hulk... and the Hulk promptly grows back to normal size.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3741/goom6ca.jpg

HigH ScholaR

hmmmmmmmmmm

Hulk vs Thor

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i give this to hulk then shall i

I'm just giving credit to HULk here, it justs seems he's being bashed or underestimated, although i can't but help think someone is helping Hulk getting bashed as they are talking nonsense about him even though they are trying to help.

Swanky-Tuna

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and RE: the war hulk issue. the only improvement i saw was his sword. give savage a sword and he could also easily chop off juggs helmet.
Well, he was radiating celestial energy. When it started up, he whomped Juggernaut easily.

leonidas

i'm not debating that. i just never saw anything in that issue that regualr -- very po'd hulk -- coudn't have done. i hear lots about war hulk, but he didn't do to much is all's i'm saying. we can speculate about him, (that might actually be cool) i just don't know why everyone ASSUMES he was so far above savage hulk.

scotsmn

Originally posted by jasofisc
here's the scan I can't remember who I got it from

He's not being chocked in that scan. He has the cable in his teeth.

scotsmn

Leo is right about War Hulk not doing anything that Savage Hulk wouldn't be able to. Savage Hulk + time = strength of base War Hulk. Brute strength stopped the Juggernaut and that's something almost any incarnation of the Hulk has in unlimited quantities.

Swanky-Tuna

War Hulk only lasted like 2 issues and he fought Juggernaut the same way he always fights him, of course you're not going to see raybeams shooting out of his butt or anything. All we can do is compare.

Before he had the armor he had trouble with Juggernaut. While using it, he didn't have trouble.

scotsmn

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
War Hulk only lasted like 2 issues and he fought Juggernaut the same way he always fights him, of course you're not going to see raybeams shooting out of his butt or anything. All we can do is compare.

Before he had the armor he had trouble with Juggernaut. While using it, he didn't have trouble.

What do you mean by trouble? As savage Hulk he has swung him around like a ragdoll and thrown him into a mountain. Hulk then shrugged and when Juggernaut never returned.

Swanky-Tuna

It's not like Hulk threw Juggernaut 100 miles onto the top of a volcano. He flung like 50 yards into a rock when his helmet popped off and left when he thought he won. At the same time Juggernaut was getting back up and getting ready to get back into the fight when the X-men mindzapped him.

leonidas

juggs was going to get up from war hulk too. it's not like war physically defeated juggs. he had a sword -- that was the difference. we also saw nothing to show improved durability.

if i had to guess, i'd say war might be more durable, but hulk has done some pretty amazing things in the past. i doubt he's stronger, though his base strength appeared to be greater. what exactly did the 'enhancements' do? gave him a glow that seemed to augment his strength or simply counteracted juggs power? maybe hulk DIDN'T get stronger, maybe the celestial glow just nullified juggs field? who knows. also, in the end, hulk was able to tear apart his armor.

i think we'd need to see more of war to say he really was more powerful than savage.

Swanky-Tuna

I'm not saying the armor made him physically stronger, I'm saying it gave him another layer that quite possibly could of been much better than just getting stronger muscles.

He was after all only in like 2 issues so we don't know but I'm guessing the Celestial energy that radiated out of him complimented his strength more than just more strength would. Almost like if Human Torch punched someone while flamed on. He would get that fire damage in there.

HigH ScholaR

Originally posted by jasofisc
I agree god blast will take out most except for the higher ups, like Galactus Onslaught and thanos but I don't really know if thanos would survie it. (Juggernaut maybe, but he's been powered down)

Thanos has, Thanos shoot beams of ebergy through his eyes then thor absorbed it with his hammer and doubed it a hundred fold then added his godblast to it. It sent Thanos flying but he soon got up and looked uneffected.

leonidas

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'm not saying the armor made him physically stronger, I'm saying it gave him another layer that quite possibly could of been much better than just getting stronger muscles.

He was after all only in like 2 issues so we don't know but I'm guessing the Celestial energy that radiated out of him complimented his strength more than just more strength would. Almost like if Human Torch punched someone while flamed on. He would get that fire damage in there.

you could be right. wish he'd have lasted longer so we could have found out just what he was really capable of.

123KID

this thread needs a bump

LORD B

1Galactus
.
.
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2thanos
3onlsaught
4thor
5silver surfer
6gladiator
7apocalypse
8juggernaut
9hulk
10champion

Grammaton

1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Onslaught
4. Hulk
5. Silver Surfer
6. Apocalypse
7. Gladiator
8. Thor
9. Champion
10. Juggernaut

Hitman911

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Onslaught
4. Champion
5. Silver Surfer
6. Gladiator
7. Thor
8. Apocalypse
9. Hulk
10. Juggernaut
LOSER best so far

Hitman911

Originally posted by Grammaton

3. Onslaught
4. Hulk
5. Silver Surfer

3. Onslaught
4. Hulk
5. Silver Surfer

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

janus77

1. Galactus
2. Onslaught
3. Thanos
4. Hulk
5. Silver Surfer
6. Champion
7. Juggernaut
8. Thor
9. Apocalypse
10. Gladiator

Galactus is 1st, obviously.
if any of the rest of them survive (since one good sized blast from Galactus would kill them all), then they'll prolly stack up in the above order.

Gladiator is the weakest combatant here, imo.
then Apocalypse who could be run through by any of the others ('cept Juggernaut).
then comes Thor whose lack of power vs Juggernaut is telling and decisive. Juggernaut falls next, got pawned by Onslaught and will get pawned by Hulk since Hulk will be sufficiently stressed in this kind of combat situation.
Champion up next, powerful but dumb as a post, his power isn't up there with Surfer's nor Hulk's. loses to both.
next Surfer, uber durable but we've seen cosmic forces that even he couldn't endure, but which Hulk did endure. limitless versus incalculable, I'll side with Hulk on the endurance front.

next Hulk... did bang Onslaught around but... didn't finish him, and I don't think he could, on his own.

Grammaton

Originally posted by Hitman911
3. Onslaught
4. Hulk
5. Silver Surfer

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

what do you mean WTF? Its my opinion fool get over it. Besides I remember Hulk being the only one capable of defeating Onslaught - and Onslaught clearly deserves to be in third position here.

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
what do you mean WTF? Its my opinion fool get over it. Besides I remember Hulk being the only one capable of defeating Onslaught - and Onslaught clearly deserves to be in third position here.
hulk never defeated onslaught,he merely cracked his armour/shell.

Knowsbleed33

1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Onslaught
4. Silver Surfer
5. Juggernaut
6. Thor
7. Champion
8. Hulk
9. Gladiator
10. Apocalypse

Grammaton

Originally posted by LORD B
hulk never defeated onslaught,he merely cracked his armour/shell.

Which no one else came even close to doing. Read the comic again and tell me that wasn't impressive.

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
Which no one else came even close to doing. Read the comic again and tell me that wasn't impressive.
i never said it wasnt impressive.
but its when people claim hulk beat onslaught,and if my memory serves my correctly hulk was grounded at the end of the fight, while onslaught continued battling the other heroes.

Grammaton

Originally posted by LORD B
i never said it wasnt impressive.
but its when people claim hulk beat onslaught,and if my memory serves my correctly hulk was grounded at the end of the fight, while onslaught continued battling the other heroes.

Yes which is why I have still rated Onslaught above the Hulk. However if it wasn't for the Hulk doing what he did (which no one else could) then Onslaught would never have been defeated. I believe this justifies my opinion.

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
Yes which is why I have still rated Onslaught above the Hulk. However if it wasn't for the Hulk doing what he did (which no one else could) then Onslaught would never have been defeated. I believe this justifies my opinion.
but he wasnt capable of defeating him, onslaught was still standing and the hulk wasnt.

Grammaton

Originally posted by LORD B
but he wasnt capable of defeating him, onslaught was still standing and the hulk wasnt.

Maybe you didn't understand my previous post - Hulk was instrumental in defeating Onslaught - not by himself - BUT without him Onslaught would never have fallen. How many other people did or could do what Hulk did? Answer - None. You can debate it all you like - fact is the comics don't lie.

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
Maybe you didn't understand my previous post - Hulk was instrumental in defeating Onslaught - not by himself - BUT without him Onslaught would never have fallen. How many other people did or could do what Hulk did? Answer - None. You can debate it all you like - fact is the comics don't lie.
i understood it perfectly,you said hulk DEFEATED onslaught he never fact.
so you tell then if im wrong do you believe hulk actauly defeated onslaught.

Grammaton

I can't believe im typing this again. Hulk was I N S T R U M E N T A L in defeating Onslaught. Now if you have difficulty in reading/understanding that theres no hope for you.

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
I can't believe im typing this again. Hulk was I N S T R U M E N T A L in defeating Onslaught. Now if you have difficulty in reading/understanding that theres no hope for you.

starting to insult me laughing

a sign of a distinct lack of intelligence

Originally posted by Grammaton
what do you mean WTF? Its my opinion fool get over it. Besides I remember Hulk being the only one capable of defeating Onslaught - and Onslaught clearly deserves to be in third position here.

tell where in your post were it say I N S T R U M E N T A L and not DEFEATING?

Grammaton

I can't help it if you feel insulted. Any reasonable individual will clearly see I have done nothing of the sort. Making me repeat myself is unfortunatley a sign of a lack of intelligence on your part - and taking my OPINIONS out of context does nothing to support your rants. smile

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
I can't help it if you feel insulted. Any reasonable individual will clearly see I have done nothing of the sort. Making me repeat myself is unfortunatley a sign of a lack of intelligence on your part - and taking my OPINIONS out of context does nothing to support your rants. smile

its not a rant, i never once questioned the order of your list.
i merely pointed out that hulk never defeated onslaught and you jumped down my throat saying that i have reading/understanding problems and theres no hope for me.

Grammaton

Originally posted by LORD B
its not a rant, i never once questioned the order of your list.
i merely pointed out that hulk never defeated onslaught and you jumped down my throat saying that i have reading/understanding problems and theres no hope for me.

Apologies if I have offended you. I am merely stating and justifying my opinion. I am not trying to "jump" at anyones throat along the way big grin

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
Apologies if I have offended you. I am merely stating and justifying my opinion. I am not trying to "jump" at anyones throat along the way big grin

ok no worries smile

Grammaton

Originally posted by LORD B
ok no worries smile

Cool

Anyway what is your take on the line-up?

LORD B

Originally posted by Grammaton
Cool thumb up

Anyway what is your take on the line-up?
imho hulk would be near the bottom,but then again im not a massive hulk fan.
juggs, champion and hulk are all interchangable,as are glads and apoc.

Grammaton

Yeh I think other than the first 3 (Galactus, Thanos & Onslaught) everyone is pretty debatable when it comes to positioning on the list.

janus77

in a purely physical battle, the top three would be 1. Galactus, Hulk, Onslaught ...

Hulk outright smashed Onslaught's body, that's beyond anything anyone in the whole of Onslaught Saga managed.

LORD B

Originally posted by janus77
in a purely physical battle, the top three would be 1. Galactus, Hulk, Onslaught ...

Hulk outright smashed Onslaught's body, that's beyond anything anyone in the whole of Onslaught Saga managed. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Endrict Nuul

WINNER
1. Galactus
2. Thanos
3. Silver Surfer
4. Onslaught
5. Gladiator
6. Thor
7. Apocalypse
8. Juggernaut
9. Hulk
10. Champion
LOSER

Grammaton

janus77

still not changed my opinion, if anything just realised how unreasonable the anti-Hulk crowd are.

Galactus, Hulk, Onslaught, Thanos, Surfer, Juggernaut, Thor, Champion, Gladiator, Apocalypse.

only Galactus and Hulk have truly limitless power-sets and, of these two, Galactus is just on a whole other level of magnitude.

in an all out brawl, nobody bar Galactus could bring down Hulk.
Thanos' powers are pretty awesome but he's a tech and prep guy in the main, his physical powers aren't upto this sort of contest.

Champion clearly should be second (don't think a single Power Gem is > than Galactus, imo) but he lacks the intellect to make ANY real use of the PG, might as well hand him a plunger and ask him to bake a cake with it for all the skill he has with the PG, thus he's waaay down the list.

Onslaught, though it rankles to put an X-men baddie up so high, he's pretty effing uber and he did pawn everybody on Earth (bar Hulk), so I guess he makes the grade. he's more intelligent than Surfer and a lot meaner so I can see him making mincemeat out of Surfer in a fight.

Juggernaut is one of the toughest earthbound characters, clearly beyond Thor in durability and strength but totally lacking in skill, speed, agility and intellect. happily for him, these things are less important in a brawl where many targets present themselves.
sadly for him, he's nowhere near strong or durable enough to hang with Onslaught nor with Hulk (after a short while) so he's pushed down the pecking order somewhat.

Thor, he's good, a better fighter and more determined than Surfer but not in his class in terms of durability, agility or power output.
Gladiator, similar to Thor.