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these two characters are said to be 2nd only to TOAA/Presence/Yahweh in power, one from marvel and one from DC........who wins?

How many of these thread can be made within a week involving LT lucifer, Myx, Beyonder, Spectre ect...?

Originally posted by Priest
How many of these thread can be made within a week involving LT lucifer, Myx, Beyonder, Spectre ect...? has there been a lot?

Originally posted by galan7777777
has there been a lot?

yeah, and all of them end with the marvel characters some how getting wins over the dc ones.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yeah, and all of them end with the marvel characters some how getting wins over the dc ones. ohhh really? well i wasnt doing this to be selective to any side, i really am just curious

i dunno this tough Lucifer doesn't get a lot of credit because of his lack of on pannel feats boxing boxed it will be argued that LT takes him stretcher

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
i dunno this tough Lucifer doesn't get a lot of credit because of his lack of on pannel feats boxing boxed it will be argued that LT takes him stretcher co-signed

Originally posted by galan7777777
co-signed
did you say who you thought would win? box

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
did you say who you thought would win? box im gonna hafta say lucifer, but that is debatable

Originally posted by galan7777777
im gonna hafta say lucifer, but that is debatable
its not fun unless its debatable chair

this match goes to LT - PRESENCE?

Originally posted by lilnutta12
this match goes to LT - PRESENCE? was that a question?

Originally posted by galan7777777
was that a question?
is that LT minus the Presence or With the presence?

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
is that LT minus the Presence or With the presence? i dint know

Hey I allready made this thread.

Recently?

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Recently?
Month ago... And LT won...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Month ago... And LT won...
I AM NOT SUPRISED

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
I AM NOT SUPRISED
That you shouldent, Everyone wants to make a list in their mind so they can respond reasonable at the threads.
And it's harder to begin from the bottom, so everyone tries to find out who's the strongest and than the second and so on.

Hasn't this thread also been made about a week ago?
Search function!!!

Originally posted by bigbran
Hasn't this thread also been made about a week ago?
Search function!!! hey calm down buddy, the search function dosent always work and you arent a moderator, dont act like your word is law around here

Originally posted by galan7777777
hey calm down buddy, the search function dosent always work
Use the advanced version, just search for a name not the whole title.

But if you don't have to, don't revive it, seriously this is getting annoying, it's like a endless battle between the most powerful, don't you get it, their power is a enigma, there are no actual bases to the battle.
You can put two beings together like Sentry versus Supes together.
But the higher up you go the harder it become.

Originally posted by galan7777777
hey calm down buddy, the search function dosent always work and you arent a moderator, dont act like your word is law around here It works, if you really look. And I remember you in that thread too.
And where was I saying my word was law? I informed you that this thread has been made.

Originally posted by bigbran
It works, if you really look. And I remember you in that thread too.
And where was I saying my word was law? I informed you that this thread has been made. if u would have said it like that there would have been no problem.......

wow... now calm down boys! argue what you need is a hug hug

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
wow... now calm down boys! argue what you need is a hug hug
They argue hence to the topic... Let them finish, if you don't have anything to say something that concern the thread, than please don't.
Forums are made for arguements.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They argue hence to the topic... Let them finish, if you don't have anything to say something that concern the thread, than please don't.
Forums are made for arguements.
please forgive me if i offeneded u by my comment. I was just trying to lighten the mood it seemed a little heated. btw forums are for debating not insulting!!!!!! and if u don't like what i say u don't have to read it

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
please forgive me if i offeneded u by my comment. I was just trying to lighten the mood it seemed a little heated. btw forums are for debating not insulting!!!!!! and if u don't like what i say u don't have to read it
You're right I don't, but than again if I stop reading your post (in other words ignore them) it will look that I am ignorant.
Do you honestly think they will stop because you ask them? Are you that naive?

why don't u just let it go? now u r just arguing to argue, and you are contradicting yourself by arguing with me about this when it is you who said this doesn't concern the thread or do u have any on pannel feats to back that up? oh.... by the way i didn't ask them to stop! and i was being playfull when i said this

Lucifer loses due to on panel feats, exactly.

Lucifer's ace is he created a Universe (Not exactly since he SHAPED it rather)

But LT has shown on panel that he can convert beings into Universes (ALONE by the way)


Now Lucifer and Michael = the Presence they say, fine, but is there a Feat greater than creating a Universe?

Cause then it becomes myth and theories that stem from bios or wondrous imaginations.

Originally posted by galan7777777
these two characters are said to be 2nd only to TOAA/Presence/Yahweh in power, one from marvel and one from DC........who wins?

Nice sig.

Originally posted by Thanos_1971
Nice sig. thanks!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Lucifer loses due to on panel feats, exactly.

Lucifer's ace is he created a Universe (Not exactly since he SHAPED it rather)

But LT has shown on panel that he can convert beings into Universes (ALONE by the way)


Now Lucifer and Michael = the Presence they say, fine, but is there a Feat greater than creating a Universe?

Cause then it becomes myth and theories that stem from bios or wondrous imaginations. no, but it is on pannel that lucifer terrified spectre=wrath of god, and scared death to such a degree that it would not dare to fight him, and killed an immortal beast which formerly housed loki

Originally posted by galan7777777
no, but it is on pannel that lucifer terrified spectre=wrath of god,

You say Spectre was scared of Lucifer, how does this = to Lucifer beats LT?


Originally posted by galan7777777
and scared death to such a degree that it would not dare to fight him,

This means nothing.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and killed an immortal beast which formerly housed loki

And this means less than nothing.

Only one point I can think of is that Michael beaten Spectre before and Michael lost to Lucifer in the whole world tree saga but that was fenris in Lucifers body so I dont know if that counts.

in sandman it was said lucifer is stronger then spectre also

Originally posted by Mr Master
You say Spectre was scared of Lucifer, how does this = to Lucifer beats LT?




This means nothing.




And this means less than nothing.
1. spectre is the wrath of god himself, even the most powerful beings in the DCU have been beaten by him easily; yet he would not fight lucifer, and was banished away like a frightened child.

2. death being so scared of lucifer that he would dare not engage him in his own realm is a feat in itself....... you think that death being scared of the beyonder is a feat worthy of recognition, so why would it be any different for lucifer?

3. when is the last time LT has ever killed "the beast of immortality?" something that was truly not supposed to die?

4. dont count lucifer out of this fight so quickly before you know what he is truly capable of, they are both the 2nd strongest beings in all of creation; this would be a closer fight then u think

-nuff said,
im goin 2 bed ttyl!

Originally posted by Mider999
in sandman it was said lucifer is stronger then spectre also yes it was

Originally posted by galan7777777
1. spectre is the wrath of god himself, even the most powerful beings in the DCU have been beaten by him easily; yet he would not fight lucifer, and was banished away like a frightened child.

How does this equate to Lucifer beats LT?


Originally posted by galan7777777
2. death being so scared of lucifer that he would dare not engage him in his own realm is a feat in itself.......

Again...This means nothing.


Originally posted by galan7777777
you think that death being scared of the beyonder is a feat worthy of recognition, so why would it be any different for lucifer?

Never in my history as a member have argued on Beyonder's behalf on the strength of whether Death was scared of him or not.

But it's nice the way you make stuff up,
(I told ya about that, remember) disgust


Originally posted by galan7777777
3. when is the last time LT has ever killed "the beast of immortality?" something that was truly not supposed to die?

When was the last time Lucifer hugged aunt May?

Have you forgotten that LT is from Marvel?

Originally posted by galan7777777
4. dont count lucifer out of this fight so quickly before you know what he is truly capable of,

I know enuff.

If all you got for me is Lucifer scared Spectre,
Lucifer scared Death
and Lucifer killed some "beast"...

You got nothing.

Originally posted by galan7777777
they are both the 2nd strongest beings in all of creation; this would be a closer fight then u think

That's your opinion fella...

Originally posted by Mr Master
How does this equate to Lucifer beats LT?




Again...This means nothing.




Never in my history as a member have argued on Beyonder's behalf on the strength of whether Death was scared of him or not.

But it's nice the way you make stuff up,
(I told ya about that, remember) disgust




When was the last time Lucifer hugged aunt May?

Have you forgotten that LT is from Marvel?



I know enuff.

If all you got for me is Lucifer scared Spectre,
Lucifer scared Death
and Lucifer killed some "beast"...

You got nothing.



That's your opinion fella... all u can do is avoid the main question..... you have yet to answer how LT would destroy lucifer, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly lucifer is counted out of these v.s. threads by people who really dont know about his character at all........ and them being the 2nd strongest beings in creation isnt my oppinion, its fact as stated on pannel by yahweh himself and death being scared of the beyonder is recognized in your beyonder respect thread, hence you thought it was worthy of recognition

and also mr. master lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage...... even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor, either one of them has a great chance of winning

Originally posted by galan7777777
and also mr. master lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage...... even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor, either one of them has a great chance of winning
that is true, you can't just count Lucifer out, but it would be a good fight i think

Originally posted by galan7777777
all u can do is avoid the main question..... you have yet to answer how LT would destroy lucifer, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly lucifer is counted out of these v.s. threads by people who really dont know about his character at all........ and them being the 2nd strongest beings in creation isnt my oppinion, its fact as stated on pannel by yahweh himself and death being scared of the beyonder is recognized in your beyonder respect thread, hence you thought it was worthy of recognition Weren't you the one who said, he would lose to Phoenix, and second age Spawn?

Originally posted by bigbran
Weren't you the one who said, he would lose to Phoenix, and second age Spawn? i damit is said that cause sometimes i like arguing lol.......in all truth he would annhilate spawn and phoenix

Originally posted by galan7777777
all u can do is avoid the main question.....

I avoid it, cause you haven't asked it yet

You be buggin out sometimes.

Originally posted by galan7777777
you have yet to answer how LT would destroy lucifer,

I just went through every post on this thread.

I didn't see anyone asking me , "how would LT destroy Lucifer"?


Originally posted by galan7777777
it never ceases to amaze me how quickly lucifer is counted out of these v.s. threads by people who really dont know about his character at all........

I'm no Lucifer expert, but I know just about as much as you know concerning his FEATS.

I could care less about his character, in a VS thread, I'm ONLY interested in his FEATS.


So what do you got for me, besides scaring Death, killing a "beast" and shaping a Universe from Michael's matter?


Originally posted by galan7777777
and them being the 2nd strongest beings in creation isnt my oppinion, its fact as stated on pannel by yahweh himself

I don't care what ANYONE said,

WHAT are his other FEATS besides the ones I mentioned??


Originally posted by galan7777777
and death being scared of the beyonder is recognized in your beyonder respect thread, hence you thought it was worthy of recognition

Not to debate with though.

Like I said, I HAVE NEVER used that as a FEAT for Beyonder in a vs. debate, so, NO, it is NOT worthy of recognition here.

Originally posted by galan7777777
lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage......

"shaping that reality" and "recreating it in this image"...is the same thing.

I know he shaped a Universe into being, with Michael's matter and energy.


Originally posted by galan7777777
even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor,

I never said that.

I said based on FEATS, LT wins.


Originally posted by galan7777777
either one of them has a great chance of winning

I haven't been impressed enough by Lucifer to agree with that.

LT wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I avoid it, cause you haven't asked it yet

You be buggin out sometimes.



I just went through every post on this thread.

I didn't see anyone asking me , "how would LT destroy Lucifer"?




I'm no Lucifer expert, but I know just about as much as you know concerning his FEATS.

I could care less about his character, in a VS thread, I'm ONLY interested in his FEATS.


So what do you got for me, besides scaring Death, killing a "beast" and shaping a Universe from Michael's matter?




I don't care what ANYONE said,

WHAT are his other FEATS besides the one's I mentioned??




Not to debate with though.

Like I said, I HAVE NEVER used that as a FEAT for Beyonder, so, NO, it is NOT worthy of recognition here. ok, michael only started the "big bang" lucifer is the one that created all the planets, galaxys, and life on them, without lucifer there would have just been a big kaboom lol; so he did a little more then "shape" a universe........ and also im not trying to argue, but what has LT done that is more impressive then what lucifer has done?

.

Originally posted by galan7777777
ok, michael only started the "big bang" lucifer is the one that created all the planets, galaxys, and life on them, so he did a little more then "shape" a universe........

Nah friend,

Lucifer can't create anything without Michael.

Lucifer molded/shaped Galaxies, Stars, Planets and even life, with Michael's matter and energy.


To Create, means to bring into existence.


The MATTER and ENERGY already existed due to Michael, who really CREATES.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and also im not trying to argue,

Me neither, I know we can have a civil debate.


Originally posted by galan7777777
but what has LT done that is more impressive then what lucifer has done?

LT turned Silver Surfer into a Universe by himself, as you know.

But that's small time.


LT erased the Infinity Gauntlet affect, and conclusively displayed dominance over the IG

The IG made the Ultimate Nullifier it's b*cth

The UN can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse in an instant.


What does this all mean?

LT is More Powerful than an ITEM that's More powerful than a Weapon that can ERASE and REBUILD the MULTI-VERSE in the blink of an eye.


So unless Lucifer has Destroyed and Remade the Multiverse,

Or Unless Lucifer has physically OVERPOWERED a being that can do it.


LT wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah friend,

Lucifer can't create anything without Michael.

Lucifer molded/shaped Galaxies, Stars, Planets and even life, with Michael's matter and energy.


To Create, means to bring into existence.


The MATTER and ENERGY already existed due to Michael, who really CREATES.




Me neither, I know we can have a civil debate.




LT turned Silver Surfer into a Universe by himself, as you know.

But that's small time.


LT erased the Infinity Gauntlet affect, and conclusively displayed dominance over the IG

The IG made the Ultimate Nullifier it's b*cth

The UN can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse in an instant.


What does this all mean?

LT is More Powerful than an ITEM that's More powerful than a Weapon that can ERASE and REBUILD the MULTI-VERSE in the blink of an eye.


So unless Lucifer has Destroyed and Remade the Multiverse,

Or Unless Lucifer has physically OVERPOWERED a being that can do it.


LT wins. actually lucifer didnt need michael, if u notice in the third book or on the respect thread it says on pannel "lucifer has never MADE a universe before, but he has watched this many times and he is a quick study" this talk of him "needing" michael is just jibberish from this site.....and as u said we can only go by feats, and LT has stopped things capable of destroying/recreating the multiverse, but he has never demonstrated the ability to make more then a universe, just as lucifer

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually lucifer didnt need michael, if u notice in the third book or on the respect thread it says on pannel "lucifer has never MADE a universe before, but he has watched this many times and he is a quick study"

Which is why you should stick to the comic yourself instead of dealing with respect threads and getting half the story.


Without Michael, NOTHING can be created, since ALL MATTER and ENERGY comes from him:

"And the Power that was in him spilled OUT through the Universe"
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5208/m1js0.th.jpg

"And became US ALL"
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/193/m2cb8.th.jpg

Here Uriel says. "the Substance of ANYTHING you see, Stars, Stones, Water..."
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1623/m3dg2.th.jpg
"Look close enough and you will see Michael's WILL Working there"

Michael IS the Demiurge...(Power of Creation)
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7607/m4oy1.th.jpg
"He writes God's name on EVERY Atom of Existence"


Originally posted by galan7777777
this talk of him "needing" michael is just jibberish from this site

Apparently not.


Originally posted by galan7777777
.....and as u said we can only go by feats, and LT has stopped things capable of destroying/recreating the multiverse, but he has never demonstrated the ability to make more then a universe, just as lucifer

That's not LT's job description. (Creating Universes) that was a gift for the Silver Surfer.

The fact remains that LT has MORE Power than a Weapon that can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse.


So Lucifer needs FEATS on that level, or he's below LT On Panel.

you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe, that can just mean LT made him in tune with everything, something higher then cosmic awerness, and the feats you talk about when you talk about korvac are meaningless cause the things you describe are not on panal, there read between the lines kinda stuff which i dont think is needed, and you never do post the page where LT doubts his power against the IG, and i dont think LT would defeat someone more powerful then the spectre sorry, spectre has greater feats then LT.

Originally posted by Mider999
you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe,


Captain Marvel is ONE with EVERYTHING.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6770/cm1ce5.th.jpg


I suppose Captain Marvel has "GODHOOD" then: hysterical2

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6844/lt2vi7.th.jpg


Originally posted by Mider999
that can just mean LT made him in tune with everything, something higher then cosmic awerness,

Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9307/cm2fw3.th.jpg

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum


Originally posted by Mider999
and the feats you talk about when you talk about korvac are meaningless cause the things you describe are not on panal, there read between the lines kinda stuff which i dont think is needed,

What's really meaningless is your opinion on the matter.


"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5933/d1to8.th.jpg
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"


"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/79/d2ec2.th.jpg
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"


This is PLAIN English.


Originally posted by Mider999
and you never do post the page where LT doubts his power against the IG,

Because that only exists in your head.

Go read the comic dude (Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1)

And stop counting on others to fill you in with the wrong information.


mider huh....your known for being an LT hater, you barked up the wrong tree this time youngster.

Originally posted by Mider999
you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe,


Living Tribunal transforms Silver Surfer into a Universe
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7592/ltmakesss13fz.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3725/ltmakesss31te.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

Can you not SEE his structure changing...he's becoming translucent.
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3725/ltmakesss31te.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

His FORM is being manipulated...He's becoming LIGHT
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3281/ltmakesss43ro.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

Silver Surfer exploding into a Universe
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3169/ltmakesss53se.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...What does this look like to you?

Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg

I can SEE he has BECOME...

Silver Surfer "CONNECTED to the INFINITE"
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/4882/ltmakesss66ed.th.jpg

2nd most powerful being means nothing, in warcraft a demon named Sargaras is the most powerful through time, but im pretty sure Silver Sufer could take him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is why you should stick to the comic yourself instead of dealing with respect threads and getting half the story.


Without Michael, NOTHING can be created, since ALL MATTER and ENERGY comes from him:

"And the Power that was in him spilled OUT through the Universe"
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5208/m1js0.th.jpg

"And became US ALL"
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/193/m2cb8.th.jpg

Here Uriel says. "the Substance of ANYTHING you see, Stars, Stones, Water..."
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1623/m3dg2.th.jpg
"Look close enough and you will see Michael's WILL Working there"

Michael IS the Demiurge...(Power of Creation)
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7607/m4oy1.th.jpg
"He writes God's name on EVERY Atom of Existence"




Apparently not.




That's not LT's job description. (Creating Universes) that was a gift for the Silver Surfer.

The fact remains that LT has MORE Power than a Weapon that can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse.


So Lucifer needs FEATS on that level, or he's below LT On Panel. dont try to teach me about lucifer, i know much more then you do in this subject; and i get none of my info from respect threads i simply said that so u could look at it if u needed to... and the scans you have posted arent the ones dealing with "lucifer making a universe" at no time when he made one does it say that he needed michael or his power, the big bang michael made simply took lucifer to a realm beyond existance where lucifer would be free to create his own universe, so u have really proven nothing with those scans which dont even deal with this event and i understand this isnt LT job description, but he has still only "created a single universe" the same as lucifer......and please understand that michael and lucifer are much the same as god and GEB....... they have they same power as one another, but they are just on the opposite side of the coin, and also keep in mind that lucifer has beaten michael in the past

Originally posted by Mr Master
Living Tribunal transforms Silver Surfer into a Universe
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7592/ltmakesss13fz.th.jpg

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3725/ltmakesss31te.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

Can you not SEE his structure changing...he's becoming translucent.
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3725/ltmakesss31te.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

His FORM is being manipulated...He's becoming LIGHT
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3281/ltmakesss43ro.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...

Silver Surfer exploding into a Universe
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3169/ltmakesss53se.th.jpg

I can SEE him BECOMING...What does this look like to you?

Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg

I can SEE he has BECOME...

Silver Surfer "CONNECTED to the INFINITE"
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/4882/ltmakesss66ed.th.jpg
Looks more like LT made him one with the universe not into a universe.

Originally posted by Skeets
Looks more like LT made him one with the universe not into a universe.
But if so he must have been replacing a Eternity... For a minute.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But if so he must have been replacing a Eternity... For a minute.
Not exactly.LT could of made him one with eternity.Which is what it looks like LT did.

Originally posted by Skeets
Looks more like LT made him one with the universe not into a universe.

Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9307/cm2fw3.th.jpg

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum

Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?

Never knew Captain Marvel had GODHOOD neither.

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6844/lt2vi7.th.jpg

And you might as well ignore this scan again:

Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg


By the way...


Thanos becoming Eternity during the Infinity Gauntlet series:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6360/tunisi5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5641/tuni2cy5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6876/tuni3fe4.th.jpg

The Silver Surfer transformation has much more detail.

Is Thanos one with the Universe, or is he a Universe?

Let's not fool ourselves:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4971/godhoodyn7.th.jpg

Originally posted by galan7777777
and i understand this isnt LT job description, but he has still only "created a single universe" the same as lucifer......

I'll bare with you

Once again,

Is there any other feat besides creating one Universe, Michael or no Michael?

LT has shown he has the power to create a Universe too.

Now...

LT rased the IG affect.

The IG erased the UN affect.

The UN erased the Multi-verse and then Remade it, in an instant.


Do you understand this logic?

Give me a a feat where Lucifer erases the entire Multi-verse or, Lucifer overpowering a being who can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9307/cm2fw3.th.jpg

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum

Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?

Never knew Captain Marvel had GODHOOD neither.

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6844/lt2vi7.th.jpg

And you might as well ignore this scan again:

Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg


By the way...


Thanos becoming Eternity during the Infinity Gauntlet series:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6360/tunisi5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5641/tuni2cy5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6876/tuni3fe4.th.jpg

The Silver Surfer transformation has much more detail.

Is Thanos one with the Universe, or is he a Universe?

Let's not fool ourselves:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4971/godhoodyn7.th.jpg
Again that's you interpretatation of what's happening.
Different writers they all don't know what the others know or what they have writen in the past.Such is the case with the Ultimate Nullifier.Before the Abraxas arc the UN was not Mutiversal in power.

You even used the Magus,Quasar incident to show that an incomplete gaunlet can control the energies of an item that can rewrite the Multiverse even though the UN wasn't as powerful as it was in the Abraxas arc.

Things change over the years with the Writers you should know that.

Originally posted by Skeets
Again that's you interpretatation of what's happening.

Can you please tell me what this is?
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg


Originally posted by Skeets
Different writers they all don't know what the others know or what they have writen in the past. Such is the case with the Ultimate Nullifier. Before the Abraxas arc the UN was not Mutiversal in power.
You even used the Magus,Quasar incident to show that an incomplete gaunlet can control the energies of an item that can rewrite the Multiverse even though the UN wasn't as powerful as it was in the Abraxas arc.

I told you before, and I'll post every issue in which the UN has been used if you wish.

The UN was activated and it erased ONE individual (well, he erased himself).
(Infinity War #5)

The UN was activated and it erased Galactus, Tyrant and his Ship.
(Silver Surfer #109 v3)

The UN was activated and it erased Eternity (single Universe)
(What if #32 v1)

The UN was activated and it erased the Multi-verse.
(Fantastic Four #49 v3)

All levels of scope have been affected by the UN


And you didn't answer my question:
Originally posted by Skeets
Looks more like LT made him one with the universe not into a universe.

I responded:

Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9307/cm2fw3.th.jpg

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum

Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?

Silver Surfer's jolly moment of GODHOOD, is something Captain Marvel has been running around with since back in the day.

By the way being "One with the Universe" is plain english. No matter the writer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll bare with you

Once again,

Is there any other feat besides creating one Universe, Michael or no Michael?

LT has shown he has the power to create a Universe too.

Now...

LT rased the IG affect.

The IG erased the UN affect.

The UN erased the Multi-verse and then Remade it, in an instant.


Do you understand this logic?

Give me a a feat where Lucifer erases the entire Multi-verse or, Lucifer overpowering a being who can. no lucifer has never made or unmade the multiverse, but neither has LT........ because LT could stop the effects of items that could do this dosent necessarily mean that he could create a multiverse, as i said he has only made a universe on pannel, just as lucifer....do you understand my logic as well?

Originally posted by galan7777777
because LT could stop the effects of items that could do this dosent necessarily mean that he could create a multiverse,

Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,


would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?


LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately.

hmmm he mocks death itself whom you say is even greater then LT or has a higher position or something, he can return from even beyond annihilation how would LT kill him, he's outsmarted gods with out powers who knows who he can outsmart with his powers, how do you know he can only create one multiverse cause the presance gave him permission just for one obviously they where used to create the multiverse the brothers i mean.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,


would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?


LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately.

ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent. We dont know. We do know that Lucifer is a fighter, and smarter than The LT. and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will. We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder. the LT is a punk. he won't even put up a fight. Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent.

This is gibberish.


I wasn't referring to Lucifer.

It was a hypothetical analogy concerning what LT is capable of according to what he has done on panel.

Man #1 (UN) can lift a car (Ultimate Nullifier destroying and remaking the Multi-verse)

Man #2 (LT) can lift a building (IG punked the UN and LT is above the IG)


Now is it safe to say Man #2 can lift a car too? (LT should have the power to do what the UN did, but its not in his nature to do so.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will.

Then this thread is pointless, if they are protected by their Supreme Beings and can't be hurt.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder.

Please, do not compare Beyonder to, "LT can be punked"...

Beyonder was the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.

Beyonder could punk anyone.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Meaningless babble.

Your better off making Beyonder hate threads.

Originally posted by Mider999
hmmm he mocks death itself whom you say is even greater then LT or has a higher position or something,

If your going to post, "things I say"...you better be sure you know what I said.

I never said Death is greater than LT.

But Death will survive even if the Multi-verse is erased.

If the Omni-verse was erased, Death would be the last to go, and Oblivion would NEVER die.


Originally posted by Mider999
he can return from even beyond annihilation how would LT kill him,

LT would not kill him.

LT would erase him.

Originally posted by Mider999
he's outsmarted gods with out powers who knows who he can outsmart with his powers,

This means nothing.


Originally posted by Mider999
how do you know he can only create one multiverse

You mean One UNIVERSE.

Because that's all he's done On Panel.


Originally posted by Mider999
cause the presance gave him permission just for one obviously

Interesting...I thought he did it without the Presence's approval.

He's telling his creations to "Worship NO One"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9356/luchr7.th.jpg

I sincerely doubt, the Presence is backing this kind of blasphemy.

Originally posted by Mider999
they where used to create the multiverse the brothers i mean.

Not On Panel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent. We dont know. We do know that Lucifer is a fighter, and smarter than The LT. and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will. We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder. the LT is a punk. he won't even put up a fight. Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Last time I saw this poster, he said he wouldn't be missed, and would never be back...

In any case, I was say its too "vague" either way.

As far as power goes... I think its been said by many that LT has at a thought created, sealed off, universes... granted enough power to make even Eternity faint!

Lucifer using the power of Michael created 1 universe.. not something he did on his own.

However on the psychological aspect.. LT has been tricked before... and Lucifer was able to show to Spectre True Heaven... and humbled the wrath of God.

As far as pure power goes, LT's been "shown" to display more.

I'd say its like saying who'd win in a race, A 99' ford mustang svt or a 99' acura integra gsr. Ones faster on the straightaway, the others better on turns... It depends on what the terms of battle is.

Its entirely possible for LT to blink out Lucifer... as it would be for Lucifer to trick LT to blinking himself out of existence...

Btw. as far as cars go (I'm asian btw) I'd go with the integra... just saying...

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is gibberish.


I wasn't referring to Lucifer.

It was a hypothetical analogy concerning what LT is capable of according to what he has done on panel.

Man #1 (UN) can lift a car (Ultimate Nullifier destroying and remaking the Multi-verse)

Man #2 (LT) can lift a building (IG punked the UN and LT is above the IG)


Now is it safe to say Man #2 can lift a car too? (LT should have the power to do what the UN did, but its not in his nature to do so.

Some characters dont' punk, no matter who they are faced with. The LT is a punk. I can't see lucifer punking to the beyonder. He would have found a way to beat the beyonder. such is his power. he is the WiLL.


Then this thread is pointless, if they are protected by their Supreme Beings and can't be hurt.




Please, do not compare Beyonder to, "LT can be punked"...

Beyonder was the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.

Beyonder could punk anyone.




Meaningless babble.

Your better off making Beyonder hate threads.
Lucifer doen'st get punked at all. Some characters dont' get punked. Thanos does not get punked. Darksied does not get punked. THey might be in awe, but never punked. hell even thor and wonder woman never get punked.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer doen'st get punked at all. Some characters dont' get punked. Thanos does not get punked. Darksied does not get punked. THey might be in awe, but never punked. hell even thor and wonder woman never get punked.


sign23

Originally posted by Mr Master
sign23

The LT is a punk. While Lucifer is a not. Lucifer wins on sheer will.

The Lt didn't even try to find a way to beat the beyonder. He was shaking in his yellow tights. You think Lucifer would give in so easily? he would have found a way. He is just that smart.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT is a punk. While Lucifer is a not. Lucifer wins on sheer will.

The Lt didn't even try to find a way to beat the beyonder. He was shaking in his yellow tights. You think Lucifer would give in so easily? he would have found a way. He is just that smart.
The LT didnt attack Beyonder due to: Anti-stupid-gutts.
He knew he would get raped and therefore didnt...
It's like saying you bastard to a lawyer, will he do something? prob not.
If you say it to a criminal, will he do something? probobly.
And I think most agree with: Lawyer >> criminal - ingeligence-wise (with this i obviously mean over-all, there are some inteligent criminal's too.)

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The LT didnt attack Beyonder due to: Anti-stupid-gutts.
He knew he would get raped and therefore didnt...
It's like saying you bastard to a lawyer, will he do something? prob not.
If you say it to a criminal, will he do something? probobly.
And I think most agree with: Lawyer >> criminal - ingeligence-wise (with this i obviously mean over-all, there are some inteligent criminal's too.)

The LT didnt' even try. Krona was so powerful that he had to be stopped with like 12 artifacts of un imaginable power. and he still survived. The grand master and Metron didnt' punk out. They found a way. That is all I"m saying. To be honest, I can't see the Living tribunal Beating Lucifer. He is too much of a punk, he is not a fighter, and he has no will of his own.

Please no ABC logic it just doesnt work.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If your going to post, "things I say"...you better be sure you know what I said.

I never said Death is greater than LT.

But Death will survive even if the Multi-verse is erased.

If the Omni-verse was erased, Death would be the last to go, and Oblivion would NEVER die.




LT would not kill him.

LT would erase him.



This means nothing.




You mean One UNIVERSE.

Because that's all he's done On Panel.




Interesting...I thought he did it without the Presence's approval.

He's telling his creations to "Worship NO One"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9356/luchr7.th.jpg

I sincerely doubt, the Presence is backing this kind of blasphemy.



Not On Panel. 1. LT cant erase a being outside of existance, that is impossible.... and lucifer could not erase LT for the same reason

2. all LT has done on pannel is create a universe as well (just as lucifer)

3. he is telling his creations to worship no one as a test (just as god tested adam and eve by saying they could not eat the fruit from a "certain tree" when they ended up worshiping him, they were destroyed

4. and he did create a universe with the presences approval, lucifer had always wanted to make a universe, but the presence never allowed him to (he didnt want another creation to rivel his own), untill lucifer helped the presence save michael.... and lucifer was given absolute dominion of his new universe

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,


would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?


LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately. well he has warped the timestream, and the fabric of reality itself anyway he sees fit, he has beaten michael whom equals "gods power", and killed an "immortal" beast that imprisoned the norse god loki......the rest ive told you........ and dont listen to people who dont know that much about lucifer, as ive said he didnt need michaels power to create his universe, and i argue anyone to find where it says he did lol, (its a common misconseption from people that dont actually read lucifer )......

Originally posted by galan7777777
1. LT cant erase a being outside of existance, that is impossible.... and lucifer could not erase LT for the same reason

1. For Lucifer it is impossible, if you say.

For the Living Tribunal it is NOT.

LT hangs around OUTSIDE of existence any time he wishes.

Like when he was holding a meeting OUTSIDE of Existence in the 16th DIMENSION, with Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order, pertaining to
Owen Reece and his potential.


Originally posted by galan7777777
2. all LT has done on pannel is create a universe as well (just as lucifer)

LT has done MORE than that, so you shouldn't make such claims.

LT's "ace up his sleeve" is his power OVER the Infinity Gauntlet.

Basically whatever the IG can do, LT is beyond that, period.


Originally posted by galan7777777
3. he is telling his creations to worship no one as a test (just as god tested adam and eve by saying they could not eat the fruit from a "certain tree" when they ended up worshiping him, they were destroyed

Where the hell did you get this from?




Originally posted by galan7777777
4. and he did create a universe with the presences approval, lucifer had always wanted to make a universe, but the presence never allowed him to (he didnt want another creation to rivel his own), untill lucifer helped the presence save michael.... and lucifer was given absolute dominion of his new universe

This means nothing.

How does this enhance the Feat in any way?

He created a Universe...Fine.

Cosmic Containment Units can do that.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CREATED a Duplicate 616 Universe.

And CCs are nothing to LT.


(note) nice adaptation on the paragraphical structure I display in posts.

i'm creating little monsters

Originally posted by galan7777777
well he has warped the timestream, and the fabric of reality itself anyway he sees fit,

Nice feats.

LT can do ALL of that without getting up from his chair.


Originally posted by galan7777777
he has beaten michael whom equals "gods power",

...hmm, I'll believe you but I don't know, that doesn't sound right

"(michael whom equals "gods power"",

I bet there's more to that story.

And I'm reading my Lucifer collection as we speak, I have every issue he ever appeared in... Tell me that issue #, so I can look into it myself.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and killed an "immortal" beast that imprisoned the norse god loki......

This means nothing.


Originally posted by galan7777777
the rest ive told you........

Which meant nothing.


Originally posted by galan7777777
and dont listen to people who dont know that much about lucifer, as ive said he didnt need michaels power to create his universe, and i argue anyone to find where it says he did lol, (its a common misconseption from people that dont actually read lucifer......

hysterical2

Your hilarious. All of a sudden you think you've made an impression.

My children. Your head has gassed up to quickly my boy, you have no position to correct anyone.

Run along now my child...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice feats.

LT can do ALL of that without getting up from his chair.




...hmm, I'll believe you but I don't know, that doesn't sound right

"(michael whom equals "gods power"",

I bet there's more to that story.

And I'm reading my Lucifer collection as we speak, I have every issue he ever appeared in... Tell me that issue #, so I can look into it myself.




This means nothing.




Which meant nothing.




hysterical2

Your hilarious. All of a sudden you think you've made an impression.

My children. Your head has gassed up to quickly my boy, you have no position to correct anyone.

Run along now my child... well, im really not into arguing, and no matter what feats i list, u will never put them on the same level as LT, which is fine.... in terms of on pannel feats lucifer dosent have as many (i guess), but as i said dont count him out so quickly........ and i have not gassed up at all, the only people who think lucifer "needed" michael havent read the lucifer issues for themselves, and if im wrong, then i challenge you to find the part where lucifer is creating his universe where it says that "he needed michaels power to do so"........ there is nothing that says this, in fact it says quite the opposite

Originally posted by Mr Master
1. For Lucifer it is impossible, if you say.

For the Living Tribunal it is NOT.

LT hangs around OUTSIDE of existence any time he wishes.

Like when he was holding a meeting OUTSIDE of Existence in the 16th DIMENSION, with Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order, pertaining to
Owen Reece and his potential.




LT has done MORE than that, so you shouldn't make such claims.

LT's "ace up his sleeve" is his power OVER the Infinity Gauntlet.

Basically whatever the IG can do, LT is beyond that, period.




Where the hell did you get this from?






This means nothing.

How does this enhance the Feat in any way?

He created a Universe...Fine.

Cosmic Containment Units can do that.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CREATED a Duplicate 616 Universe.

And CCs are nothing to LT.


(note) nice adaptation on the paragraphical structure I display in posts.

i'm creating little monsters 1. lucifer is outside of existance just as LT

2. i got that info about the beings lucifer made from the actual book, and it is a fact, not my oppinion

3. lol, its the only way i can think to quote what you have said

4. and remember they dont have as many feats as each other, but in the end these are the two most powerful beings is the marvel and dc universes, just under TOAA/yahweh.....the fight could go either way......agreed?

Originally posted by galan7777777
well, im really not into arguing, and no matter what feats i list, u will never put them on the same level as LT, which is fine.... in terms of on pannel feats lucifer dosent have as many (i guess), but as i said dont count him out so quickly........ and i have not gassed up at all, the only people who think lucifer "needed" michael havent read the lucifer issues for themselves, and if im wrong, then i challenge you to find the part where lucifer is creating his universe where it says that "he needed michaels power to do so"........ there is nothing that says this, in fact it says quite the opposite

I agreed that Lucifer created a Universe.

That is an amzing feat, not many beings can do that in either company.

In my understanding of Universal power, that is the highest level:

1.Creating
2. Remaking
3. Destroying

I'm not downing LCF, but LT has been shown overpowering powers that can obliterate the Multi-verse.

And that's what it comes down to in these hypothetical battles, Feats.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agreed that Lucifer created a Universe.

That is an amzing feat, not many beings can do that in either company.

In my understanding of Universal power, that is the highest level:

1.Creating
2. Remaking
3. Destroying

I'm not downing LCF, but LT has been shown overpowering powers that can obliterate the Multi-verse.

And that's what it comes down to in these hypothetical battles, Feats. ok, thats really all i wanted to hear, i hate it when people count lucifer out of battles and dont even look at what he has done before they judge him....... i think that this would be an amazing battle and i truly feel that either one has a good chance of winning

Originally posted by galan7777777
1. lucifer is outside of existance just as LT

Ok.

Which means they can hurt each other.

Your argument was that it was "impossible" for LT to kill Lucifer because he was "outside" of existence.


Originally posted by galan7777777
2. i got that info about the beings lucifer made from the actual book, and it is a fact, not my oppinion

Nice.


Originally posted by galan7777777
3. lol, its the only way i can think to quote what you have said

Imagine how I feel, debating amongst innocence that "peck at your ankles for crumbs". (this is not an insult by the way)


Originally posted by galan7777777
4. and remember they dont have as many feats as each other, but in the end these are the two most powerful beings is the marvel and dc universes, just under TOAA/yahweh.....the fight could go either way......agreed?

Thoeretically they are equal.

Feat wise, LT takes it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok.

Which means they can hurt each other.

Your argument was that it was "impossible" for LT to kill Lucifer because he was "outside" of existence.




Nice.




Imagine how I feel, debating amongst innocence that "peck at your ankles for crumbs".




Thoeretically they are equal.

Feat wise, LT takes it. 1. correct, i thought you were debating the fact that LT was outside of existance and lucifer wasnt

2. thanx

3. lol, i could imagine

4. i agree feat wise, LT simply has more, but also remember that lucifer has never faced an opponent that has been a "multiversal threat"...... but im just glad someone actually takes the time to look at the amazing things lucifer has done before they judge him

Originally posted by galan7777777
but im just glad someone actually takes the time to look at the amazing things lucifer has done before they judge him

im outta here g'nite, ttyl!

but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman

Originally posted by Mider999
but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman

Yea, we established that Lucifer created a Universe, and I've always said creating a Universe is the highest level of Universal power that can be reached.

And they can both exist outside of existence, amongst others, that's not much of a big deal in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mider999
but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman this is true, but as mr. master said, LT exists outside of existance as well, this is why they would be able to inflict harm to one another

Can someone put both of their powers down, i know bout lucifer, i mean if hes satan second in power after god, i mean no one should be able to destroy him but god, so i dunno ma, i got comic book knowledge but never really heard of LT or Luciifer in comics, anyways if sum1 knows both of their real powers and accounts of amazing things they have done please list them. thanx

lucifer once defeated a guy who existed outside of existence by rewriting the laws of the universe making him exist in it

he helped mold the multiverse in the very beginning with permission of the source of course

he gave a demon a soul so the demon could burn in hell forever instead of just blanking into nothingness

he can exist outside of existence as well cause he did this when he was making his own universe or creation as some say leaning tword a multiverse most Bio's on lucifer say he and micheal can create multiverses together but that alone he can only make universes as well as create aspects such as time and space on a whim

when the presance left the multiverse lucifer did something to creation that allowed it to exist even though the presance was gone

when it comes to brains he defeats gods with out ANY power, he also outsmarted heaven's armies when they where going to war against him by using a powerful monster

death itself what multi death if there is such a thing in the MU is in the DC i mean death of the endless when refuring to DC, anyway she fears lucifer and he says she has no power over him, others have stated that lucifer would return from annihilation just from his sheer power.

certain beings whom ever gods fear are scared of lucifer.

in maybe his very first comics sandman presents lucifer, lucifer killed the silent ones or some race of gods

he defeated a double of himself which was suppose to cancel out his powers i believe

if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas he is above eternity but above lucifer not to me, beside that spectre and LT are suppose to be equals

it was stated in a sandman comic that lucifer morningstar is even stronger then the spectre, and micheal has defeated spectre by the way, and micheal was defeated by lucifer.

Thanx mider, um knowing that i guess i'll cast my vote with lucifer taking it in a duel.

Originally posted by Mider999
lucifer once defeated a guy who existed outside of existence by rewriting the laws of the universe making him exist in it

he helped mold the multiverse in the very beginning with permission of the source of course

he gave a demon a soul so the demon could burn in hell forever instead of just blanking into nothingness

he can exist outside of existence as well cause he did this when he was making his own universe or creation as some say leaning tword a multiverse most Bio's on lucifer say he and micheal can create multiverses together but that alone he can only make universes as well as create aspects such as time and space on a whim

when the presance left the multiverse lucifer did something to creation that allowed it to exist even though the presance was gone

when it comes to brains he defeats gods with out ANY power, he also outsmarted heaven's armies when they where going to war against him by using a powerful monster

death itself what multi death if there is such a thing in the MU is in the DC i mean death of the endless when refuring to DC, anyway she fears lucifer and he says she has no power over him, others have stated that lucifer would return from annihilation just from his sheer power.

certain beings whom ever gods fear are scared of lucifer.

in maybe his very first comics sandman presents lucifer, lucifer killed the silent ones or some race of gods

he defeated a double of himself which was suppose to cancel out his powers i believe

if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas he is above eternity but above lucifer not to me, beside that spectre and LT are suppose to be equals

it was stated in a sandman comic that lucifer morningstar is even stronger then the spectre, and micheal has defeated spectre by the way, and micheal was defeated by lucifer. 1. yes lucifer helped mold the original creation, he was given the will and michael the power

2. nowhere does it say lucifer can or cannot create a multiverse, but he has only demonstrated the making of a single universe

3. lucifer was allowed to exist in yahweh's absence because yahweh chose lucifer as his successor to the throne of heavan, even over michael himself

4. yes lucifers smarts and will are unriveled, as lucifer himself put it, "omnipotence means nothing without WILL"

5. all of the heavenly host is scared of lucifer (as they have shown in the past) lucifer alone is thousands of times more powerful then the entire heavenly host as stated on pannel

6. he defeated this double out of sheer will, again proving how powerful his will is

7. and yes it was said that lucifer is stronger then spectre- the wrath of god...and lucifer has beaten michael, by sheer knowledge and omnipotence....... it was a great battle

Originally posted by Mider999
if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas.

hysterical2

Originally posted by Dark Knight 77
Thanx mider, um knowing that i guess i'll cast my vote with lucifer taking it in a duel.

Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.

Originally posted by galan7777777

7. and yes it was said that lucifer is stronger then spectre- the wrath of god...and lucifer has beaten michael, by sheer knowledge and omnipotence....... it was a great battle

Was not Lucifer only able to defeat Michael in combat because Michael wasn't even trying, that and Lucifer was possessed by Fernis and Michael was injured?

In power terms though I would rank Michael above Lucifer, seeing as though Lucifer does have the "greater" will in DC over Michael, Michael still has in my opinion the second most powerful will and in some ways Michael's will rivals Lucifers in that both of their wills are different but on the same level, and vice versa can be said that Lucifer has power equal to Michaels but on a different perspective.

My point being is that speculatively Michael has all the power of Vertigo's god does he not? Because he is the Demiguros and later becomes one with the Logos, so theoritically, even though they never showed what happened to Michael in the end, wouldn't Michael in a way be one with Vertigo's god even though he left DC at the end?

What I'm trying to say, is not Michael's will just as great as Lucifers and perhaps even greater, though both are great in a different perspective. Lucifer had the Will to persist and combat against all odds, but Michael had the will to realize and see what must be done and even to the point where he crossed the line and went against all.

Did Michael become one with vertigo's "god" and leave with him at the end when he left creation? Lucifer in a different perspective was offered some thing similar, to become one with god at the end, but lucifer declined. So maybe Michael accepted and went with god and lucifer declined and stayed?

Originally posted by Jesse7
Was not Lucifer only able to defeat Michael in combat because Michael wasn't even trying, that and Lucifer was possessed by Fernis and Michael was injured?

In power terms though I would rank Michael above Lucifer, seeing as though Lucifer does have the "greater" will in DC over Michael, Michael still has in my opinion the second most powerful will and in some ways Michael's will rivals Lucifers in that both of their wills are different but on the same level, and vice versa can be said that Lucifer has power equal to Michaels but on a different perspective.

My point being is that speculatively Michael has all the power of Vertigo's god does he not? Because he is the Demiguros and later becomes one with the Logos, so theoritically, even though they never showed what happened to Michael in the end, wouldn't Michael in a way be one with Vertigo's god even though he left DC at the end?

What I'm trying to say, is not Michael's will just as great as Lucifers and perhaps even greater, though both are great in a different perspective. Lucifer had the Will to persist and combat against all odds, but Michael had the will to realize and see what must be done and even to the point where he crossed the line and went against all.

Did Michael become one with vertigo's "god" and leave with him at the end when he left creation? Lucifer in a different perspective was offered some thing similar, to become one with god at the end, but lucifer declined. So maybe Michael accepted and went with god and lucifer declined and stayed?

your point is well taken, and in fact in one of the lucifer comics (forgive me for not knowing exactly which one, im not at home) lucifer is talking to michael about their father yahweh, and lucifer says "our father gave us each his power" so perspectivley they each have the same amount of power, but lucifer has been stated to be more powerful then michael, as lucifer once said "what good is omnipotence without WILL?" and in the end that you are refering to it is speculated that michael went with god, but him doing this obviously makes his will far less then lucifer's, for lucifer has the will to turn his back on yahweh and rebel against his wishes..... if michael possessed the same will as lucifer he would have chosen his own path as lucifer did....... it was this reason that michael started to speculate gods word, because yahweh chose lucifer to be his successor in heaven when he departed, because lucifer has what no other angels of the order have (a will completely of his own, a will to go against even yahweh, something that even michael could not do)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good. yeah, i like lucifer, but im not that biased against LT lol! that was just overboard

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.
This gonna cause some serious injuries. Have a Firstaid-kit prepered.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This gonna cause some serious injuries. Have a Firstaid-kit prepered. but even he admitted that it would be a good battle, lucifer may not have as many on pannel feats, but the ones he does have are nothing to shrug your shoulders at lol

Originally posted by galan7777777
but even he admitted that it would be a good battle, lucifer may not have as many on pannel feats, but the ones he does have are nothing to shrug your shoulders at lol
Yes I know he did, but still this will be funny.
*Grabing a bag of chips and a fanta... and now wait....

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes I know he did, but still this will be funny.
*Grabing a bag of chips and a fanta... and now wait.... lol, yeah there is gonna be an assload of scans.... and all of em will be pretty good, i wish i had a damn scanner to shown some of lucifers feats as well

bump

Originally posted by galan7777777
your point is well taken, and in fact in one of the lucifer comics (forgive me for not knowing exactly which one, im not at home) lucifer is talking to michael about their father yahweh, and lucifer says "our father gave us each his power" so perspectivley they each have the same amount of power, but lucifer has been stated to be more powerful then michael, as lucifer once said "what good is omnipotence without WILL?" and in the end that you are refering to it is speculated that michael went with god, but him doing this obviously makes his will far less then lucifer's, for lucifer has the will to turn his back on yahweh and rebel against his wishes..... if michael possessed the same will as lucifer he would have chosen his own path as lucifer did....... it was this reason that michael started to speculate gods word, because yahweh chose lucifer to be his successor in heaven when he departed, because lucifer has what no other angels of the order have (a will completely of his own, a will to go against even yahweh, something that even michael could not do)

I see it that Michael had the same greatness of Will that Lucifer had, but both were given different perspectives of it, it is true Lucifer chose to not become "one" with god, but in doing so he also feared some thing, he feared losing himself.

While Michael on the other hand didn't desire what lucifer desired, they both had different desires, but they both had that great will to seek and obtain that which they desired, unlike lucifer Michael sought to be with and, to please god, and he did obtain this in the end I think.

So to say Lucifers will is greater is also speculation as they each are equal in a way, they both just have different perspectives of the same gift, both with different desires and different outcomes.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I see it that Michael had the same greatness of Will that Lucifer had, but both were given different perspectives of it, it is true Lucifer chose to not become "one" with god, but in doing so he also feared some thing, he feared losing himself.

While Michael on the other hand didn't desire what lucifer desired, they both had different desires, but they both had that great will to seek and obtain that which they desired, unlike lucifer Michael sought to be with and, to please god, and he did obtain this in the end I think.

So to say Lucifers will is greater is also speculation as they each are equal in a way, they both just have different perspectives of the same gift, both with different desires and different outcomes. yeah, i guess you could say that lucifer's will makes him more defiant to all of creation including yahweh, while michaels will (while still great) still isnt as defiant and rebellious as lucifers

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good. and another feat i completely forgot to mention to you is that lucifer made his universe, and all in it while in a weakend state....... you see some feathers on his wings were cursed by the mistress of death, and even though he didnt know this untill much later, it made him far weaker then he normally is..... but he was still able to effortlessly create a universe

bump

Originally posted by galan7777777
and another feat i completely forgot to mention to you is that lucifer made his universe, and all in it while in a weakend state....... you see some feathers on his wings were cursed by the mistress of death, and even though he didnt know this untill much later, it made him far weaker then he normally is..... but he was still able to effortlessly create a universe

Why are you responding to that, that wasn't directed at you.

I thought Death was afraid of him.

and your not biased? at least i dont make stuff up to win my vote, where where these supposid LT scans before, all you showed is sufer becomming one with everything does that now mean he's eternity maybe maybe not, you dont have no proof that he was, and LT did say he might not be able to take the IG, oh and he was once almost defeated by a being who can copy powers it took the judge celestial to defeat him not the great LT.

So you think that the IG, or wait we push it up a litte... Infinity Being were a match for the Tribunal?
Why did you think Eternity went to LT to complain about the IG?

Originally posted by Mider999
and your not biased? at least i dont make stuff up to win my vote,

Make stuff up? what

Yo got nerve child when I've caught you plenty of times talking out your ass.

I'm not going to pull your cards right now...stick to the topic or risk being embarrassed.


Originally posted by Mider999
all you showed is sufer becomming one with everything does that now mean he's eternity maybe maybe not, you dont have no proof that he was,

You wanna play retarded, that's on you.

You think Surfer was just "One with everything"

Captain Marvel is ONE with EVERYTHING.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6770/cm1ce5.th.jpg

But darn it, Captain Marvel looked NOTHING like this when he became ONE with the Universe:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3707/ltmakesss80mn.th.jpg
So WHAT the Heck is this?


This is Captain Marvel becoming ONE with the Universe.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7913/cm1dj1.th.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4144/cm2dc8.th.jpg
"For ALL things in the UNIVERSE are now ONE with YOU"


Originally posted by Mider999
and LT did say he might not be able to take the IG,

Continue being delusional, what do I care.


Here LT DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/619/ltrulesig37jm.th.jpg
Warlock let's LT know just HOW Powerful he is.

After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was, LT STILL rules against him.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8108/ltrulesig44zu.th.jpg

Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6516/ltrulesig56ys.th.jpg

They BOTH knew the outcome before it started.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3793/ltrulesig60qp.th.jpg


Run along now my boy.


Originally posted by Mider999
oh and he was once almost defeated by a being who can copy powers it took the judge celestial to defeat him not the great LT.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why are you responding to that, that wasn't directed at you.

I thought Death was afraid of him. yeah, i know it wasnt directedd at me, but i accendetially quoted that lol! but it is definatley a feat worth mentioning ........ and he was afraid of death

Mr Master...That series of scans doesn't conclusively put IG above LT or vise versa. His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place. And both knew this would be the outcome.

Originally posted by Juntai
Mr Master...That series of scans doesn't conclusively put IG above LT or vise versa.

The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4400/ltbio6iyag7.th.jpg

Here's the specific sentence
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6062/bitvr0.th.jpg

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.


Originally posted by Juntai
And both knew this would be the outcome.

That Warlock would submit?

yes.

Originally posted by Juntai
His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place.

That's not what I based it on.

Before the Warlock bit.


LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8058/ltaboveig6qk.th.jpg

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6007/ltaboveig25hj.th.jpg

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8928/ltaboveig32pb.th.jpg

Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG, only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/909/ltallowsig41vp.th.jpg

Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1250/ltallowsig51ps.th.jpg

A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3725/ltallowsig66qd.th.jpg

The result in an instant
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9898/ltallowsig70sy.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4400/ltbio6iyag7.th.jpg

Here's the specific sentence
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6062/bitvr0.th.jpg

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.




That Warlock would submit?

yes. OK, that will be taken into consideration then, thanks, however what I said earlier about the panels themselves still stands.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4400/ltbio6iyag7.th.jpg

Here's the specific sentence
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6062/bitvr0.th.jpg

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.




That Warlock would submit?

yes. was it truly LT's power that surpassed the gems? or was it his judgement that surpassed the gem's power?..... im just curious

Originally posted by galan7777777
was it truly LT's power that surpassed the gems? or was it his judgement that surpassed the gem's power?..... im just curious
He uses his power to judge...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Originally posted by Juntai
His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place.

That's not what I based it on.

Before the Warlock bit.


LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8058/ltaboveig6qk.th.jpg

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6007/ltaboveig25hj.th.jpg

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8928/ltaboveig32pb.th.jpg

Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG, only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/909/ltallowsig41vp.th.jpg

Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1250/ltallowsig51ps.th.jpg

A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3725/ltallowsig66qd.th.jpg

The result in an instant
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9898/ltallowsig70sy.th.jpg I don't see how a reality would be destroyed in the conflict between the Gauntlet Wielder and himself should he be able to simply will them off. Quite convoluted and contradicting.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He uses his power to judge... its my understanding that its his "cosmic ranking" of sorts (2nd only to TOAA) as well as his power that allows him to judge

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7635/ltrulesig10cf.th.jpg

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7161/ltrecreatesqm2.th.jpg

"I represent forces that Dwarf even your might"
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/619/ltrulesig37jm.th.jpg
Warlock tells LT of how Powerful he has become.

After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was, LT STILL rules against him.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8108/ltrulesig44zu.th.jpg

Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6516/ltrulesig56ys.th.jpg

They BOTH knew the outcome before it started.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3793/ltrulesig60qp.th.jpg


This is the way Warlock saw the whole event
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7757/ltorderswl0iy.th.jpg
Warlock says, "I was ORDERED"....by the Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't see how a reality would be destroyed in the conflict between the Gauntlet Wielder and himself should he be able to simply will them off. Quite convoluted and contradicting.

Once the IG has been assembled and is functioning, it must be taken by force.

Nothing contradicting at all.

Originally posted by galan7777777
was it truly LT's power that surpassed the gems? or was it his judgement that surpassed the gem's power?..... im just curious

If you read the scan, it clearly says, "his POWER surpassed that of the Gems"
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6062/bitvr0.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
If you read the scan, it clearly says, "his POWER surpassed that of the Gems"
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6062/bitvr0.th.jpg yes i read the scans that say his POWER is greater, but the other scans u posted from the comics seem like its his judgement and authority over the universe that stops the gauntlet, more so then his power..... im just curious about that

Originally posted by galan7777777
but the other scans u posted from the comics seem like its his judgement and authority over the universe that stops the gauntlet, more so then his power..... im just curious about that

This is LT using Power to negate the IG's affect, not to mention he recreated the Abstracts that were just obliterated.

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7635/ltrulesig10cf.th.jpg

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7161/ltrecreatesqm2.th.jpg



And in this scenerio, LT is refering to HIS Power, Not his authority



Warlock says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the POWER to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1391/lt1yw6.th.jpg

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of your judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9830/lt2nw8.th.jpg

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7024/lt3ys3.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is LT using Power to negate the IG's affect, not to mention he recreated the Abstracts that were just obliterated.

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7635/ltrulesig10cf.th.jpg

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7161/ltrecreatesqm2.th.jpg



And in this scenerio, LT is refering to HIS Power, Not his authority



Warlock says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the power to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1391/lt1yw6.th.jpg

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of your judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9830/lt2nw8.th.jpg

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7024/lt3ys3.th.jpg ok, that makes more sense now.... so would it be safe to say that LT overpowering and ruling over the IG was somewhat the "limits" of what LT can do? i mean in those scans he didnt seem sure that he had enough power to retain control of the gems

Originally posted by galan7777777
so would it be safe to say that LT overpowering and ruling over the IG was somewhat the "limits" of what LT can do?

Well considering the IG is the most Powerful thing in all the Multiverses, besides TOAA's power (HOTU), it's probably safe to say.


Originally posted by galan7777777
i mean in those scans he didnt seem sure that he had enough power to retain control of the gems

He was sure, since they both knew what was going to happen anyway.

But the comic had to have some drama.

Remember, they both always knew, because they both can see the Future
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/2193/igjb4.th.jpg


But if we want to be technical,

LT determined if he had enough Power, and realized he did, and judged against Warlock.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well considering the IG is the most Powerful thing in all the Multiverses, besides TOAA's power (HOTU), it's probably safe to say.




He was sure, since they both knew what was going to happen anyway.

But the comic had to have some drama.

Remember, they both always knew, because they both can see the Future
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/2193/igjb4.th.jpg


But if we want to be technical,

LT determined if he had enough Power, and realized he did, and judged against Warlock. yeah, i guess the drama aspect of comics is always the most confusing lol...

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, i guess the drama aspect of comics is always the most confusing lol...

True indeed.

now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now? And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died, and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual, your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing, warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend.

Originally posted by Mider999
now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now? And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died, and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual, your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing, warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend. actually mider LT says in this scan "and DETERMAINING if i have the power to" which is an answer to warlock asking him if he can stop the IG
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt1yw6.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He uses his power to judge...


If he uses his power to judge, How can he judge over lucifer? lucifer is beyond judgement right?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he uses his power to judge, How can he judge over lucifer? lucifer is beyond judgement right? yes, we have all agreed that LT couldnt judge lucifer because he is outside of creation and judgement as is LT himself

Originally posted by galan7777777
yes, we have all agreed that LT couldnt judge lucifer because he is outside of creation and judgement as is LT himself

Then Lucifer cannot be beaten by the LT. It is within the wrealm of possibility that if Lucifer and the LT lived in the same universe that, Lucifer would find a way to beat the LT. He couldnt' do it on his own as niether have sufficient power to beat the other. But, Lucifer's ego and will would have him find a way. Even if he had to appeal to the presence to replace the LT as the Judge of the omniverse. Cuz to be honest, all of them live and exist in thier purpose only becuz of the will of TOAA.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then Lucifer cannot be beaten by the LT. It is within the wrealm of possibility that if Lucifer and the LT lived in the same universe that, Lucifer would find a way to beat the LT. He couldnt' do it on his own as niether have sufficient power to beat the other. But, Lucifer's ego and will would have him find a way. Even if he had to appeal to the presence to replace the LT as the Judge of the omniverse. Cuz to be honest, all of them live and exist in thier purpose only becuz of the will of TOAA. yes, that is one of the reasons i like the lucifer story arch so much, and why i have collected all of the books, lucifer has beaten countless beings with his will more so then his brawn..... he has infinate will, whatever he wishes to happen is done...... and though he does possess near omnipotent power, and favor with yahweh it would come down to whether or not lucifers will and power would work on LT, and vice versa

Originally posted by Mider999
now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now?

Thanos told me
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1135/igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.th.jpg


Originally posted by Mider999
And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died,

Your hate may blind you, but we all see what's so clear

Warlock is Flaring up like Ryu's "Ayunke"

"How dare you seek to JUDGE Me"
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/6194/w2bz3.th.jpg

Warlock lets out his Power.

I don't about you , but I see Entities being BLOWN to BITS

"I will NOT Tolerate this Effrontery"
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5652/wnd8.th.jpg


Originally posted by Mider999
and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual,

Perhaps like this, I can amuse my children.


WARLCOK says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the POWER to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1391/lt1yw6.th.jpg

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of YOUR Judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9830/lt2nw8.th.jpg

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7024/lt3ys3.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mider999
your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing,

sarcasticclap


Originally posted by Mider999
warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend.

"your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing"


sleepyhead

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually mider LT says in this scan "and DETERMAINING if i have the power to" which is an answer to warlock asking him if he can stop the IG
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt1yw6.jpg

This proves your not a hater, that you trully are basing your opinion on panel evidence.

Others though...

Originally posted by Mr Master
This proves your not a hater, that you trully are basing your opinion on panel evidence.

Others though... yeah, people need to learn that on pannel evidence cant really be debated if its as clear-cut as what uve posted....... and where do u get those funny smiley faces from? they arent in the normal "even more smiles" section are they?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he uses his power to judge, How can he judge over lucifer? lucifer is beyond judgement right?

Who cares if Lucifer is beyond Judgement.

In a vs thread it's Lucifer vs LT, that's it.

Power vs Power which = to Feats vs Feats, because they will most likely NEVER face each other On Panel.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, people need to learn that on pannel evidence cant really be debated if its as clear-cut as what uve posted....... and where do u get those funny smiley faces from? they arent in the normal "even more smiles" section are they?

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then Lucifer cannot be beaten by the LT.

How'd you come up with this logic?


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It is within the wrealm of possibility that if Lucifer and the LT lived in the same universe that, Lucifer would find a way to beat the LT.

Sorry charlie,

If Lucifer was in the Marvel Omni-verse, LT would erase him.

NO ONE in the Marvel Omni-verse is above LT except for TOAA


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He couldnt' do it on his own as niether have sufficient power to beat the other.

In Marvel LT would be MORE Powerful.

Outside of Marvel it would be Based on feats, LT has shown to have More raw Power. (This has NOTHING to do with creation power)


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But, Lucifer's ego and will would have him find a way.

Not if he was in Marvel.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even if he had to appeal to the presence to replace the LT as the Judge of the omniverse.

hysterical2

Didn't know the Presence had ANY Authority in the Marvel Omni-verse, but nice try. (funny one)

To bad LT has that Job already.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2994/lt2cm.th.jpg


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cuz to be honest, all of them live and exist in thier purpose only becuz of the will of TOAA.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, people need to learn that on pannel evidence cant really be debated if its as clear-cut as what uve posted....... and where do u get those funny smiley faces from? they arent in the normal "even more smiles" section are they?

They're cool aren't they.

Let me pm you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
They're cool aren't they.

Let me pm you. ok

Make a Michael Vs. Lucifer thread, not for lucifer wins 10/10! But for an indepth debate of their characters and powers; not physical powers but true inner power of desire and fullfillment, etc.

Since both of you seem to know a bit about Lucifer I think it would be interesting...

Originally posted by Jesse7
Make a Michael Vs. Lucifer thread, not for lucifer wins 10/10! But for an indepth debate of their characters and powers; not physical powers but true inner power of desire and fullfillment, etc.

Since both of you seem to know a bit about Lucifer I think it would be interesting... well, the thing is while we may know alot about lucifer/michael, there are very few who do..... most people on here get their facts of lucifer and michael from this site..... and they wouldnt really be able to debate about them from hearsay alone....... you know?

T_T

Originally posted by Jesse7
T_T ??