Ironman vs Colossus

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Brian Oswald
No flying for Ironman to make this fair. He also cant move super-fast on the ground.

I searched but couldnt find it smile

snoopdogg
IM has sonics.

Avalonofthewind
Iron man ftw.

Brian Oswald
Ironman sucks with his plethura of energy/sonic/magnetic attacks miffed Too many factors to consider...what if he was limited to energy blasts?

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Brian Oswald
Ironman sucks with his plethura of energy/sonic/magnetic attacks miffed Too many factors to consider...what if he was limited to energy blasts?

Then don't pit him against Colossus.

First, you take away IM's ability to fly. Then you take away his Extremis-enhanced speed. Then you you relegate him to only being able to use his repulsors.

You're taking everything away from Iron Man that makes him Iron Man.

That's like taking away Colossus's ability to transform his entire body into organic steel. What's the point?

Geez, why don't you just make it Colossus (organic steel form) vs. Tony Stark (sans armor)? roll eyes (sarcastic)


That being said, Iron Man beats Colossus straight up.

Metalmanx
Yea. Given all of his other abilities, I guess Iron Man takes this one.

Though honestly, how much damage would IM's energy attacks do to Colossus? They've never fought straight up before.

Eh. I'll just assume for now that Iron Man would win.

masterbruce
On the ground, Colossus wins. He can take IM's beatings, but IM will run out of power and lose eventually.

Metalmanx
It's debatable really. As much as I'd like Colossus to win, we don't know what kind of damage IM's energy attacks can do. That said, they could be harmless to Colossus. But don't really know. That's the problem with this match-up.

Soljer
Aye.

Inconclusive, I'd say. We don't know if Colossus could shurg off Iron Man's energy attacks.

We sure as SHIT know that Iron Man would get eaten alive in Hand to Hand, though.

Grimm22
Tony is WAY too fast for Pitor

That and he is just too powerful

IM 9-10/10

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Soljer
Aye.

Inconclusive, I'd say. We don't know if Colossus could shurg off Iron Man's energy attacks.

We sure as SHIT know that Iron Man would get eaten alive in Hand to Hand, though.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Tony is WAY too fast for Pitor

That and he is just too powerful

IM 9-10/10

With his arsenal? Yea, IM's more powerful. No one's denying that.

Hand to hand with pure strength and fighting skill? Colossus would thrash him soundly.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Metalmanx

With his arsenal? Yea, IM's more powerful. No one's denying that.

Hand to hand with pure strength and fighting skill? Colossus would thrash him soundly.

Colossus is definitely the more skilled fighter, but I think Iron Man has him trumped in the pure strength department.

That and the fact that Tony is much better at thinking on the fly when engaged in a fight (his recent encounter with Sentry comes to mind).

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Colossus is definitely the more skilled fighter, but I think Iron Man has him trumped in the pure strength department.

That and the fact that Tony is much better at thinking on the fly when engaged in a fight (his recent encounter with Sentry comes to mind).

Eh. We're entitled to our opinions. I just don't believe Tony to be stronger than Colossus. Colossus's strength feats have totally outclassed Tony's, in my opinion.

And yea, I'm not taking anything away from Tony's quick thinking. However, Colossus has become quite the quick thinker and tactical fighter over the years.

Lucid Lui
Iron Man wins. Even with the handicaps.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Colossus's strength feats have totally outclassed Tony's, in my opinion.

Examples?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Examples? Retrains Iron Man who was unable to break Colossus' hold.(Iron Man was under the influence of a outside force but still had his abilities):

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandIMIW2.jpg

Washco
Well at least in the Ultimates anyway, Colosus stomped IM and Thor. Aegis is different more powerful armor tho.

Innerhype
Even with the stipulation, Iron Man has FAR too many tricks up his sleeve for Colossus to handle even when grounded like this.

Confusing Colossus with blinding lights, sonics that could make him fall over with extreme vertigo, holograms, cloak.. lots of options Tony could use. I don't exactly know how tough Colossus is but focus replusers from Iron Man could shatter secondary adamantium.

golem370
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Retrains Iron Man who was unable to break Colossus' hold.(Iron Man was under the influence of a outside force but still had his abilities):

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandIMIW2.jpg

But when Hulk got hit look out stick out tongue

Soljer
Originally posted by Washco
Well at least in the Ultimates anyway, Colosus stomped IM and Thor. Aegis is different more powerful armor tho.

Can't use the Ultiverse as an example.

Colossus' strength feats are quite superior to Iron Man's. In a 'mano y mano' fight, Colossus would rip Tony to shreds.

With the stipulations in this fight, Iron Man wins a majority. Maybe.

If his weapons even affect Colossus.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Retrains Iron Man who was unable to break Colossus' hold.(Iron Man was under the influence of a outside force but still had his abilities):

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandIMIW2.jpg

That was Iron Man's doppelganger disguised as him.

And that was one panel. He was up and about in the next page.

Innerhype
Originally posted by Soljer
....If his weapons even affect Colossus.

Does anyone have the scan that show Iron Man decking Colossus with a repulser ray?

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by Innerhype
Does anyone have the scan that show Iron Man decking Colossus with a repulser ray?

What issue is it?

Innerhype
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
What issue is it?

No idea sad

I can't even tell ya which book it was in sad


Oh well...... embarrasment

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Soljer
Can't use the Ultiverse as an example.

Colossus' strength feats are quite superior to Iron Man's. In a 'mano y mano' fight, Colossus would rip Tony to shreds.

With the stipulations in this fight, Iron Man wins a majority. Maybe.

If his weapons even affect Colossus.

Exactly my point. We just plain don't know what kind of effect Iron Man has on Colossus. They've never fought straight-up before. Until then, it's all speculation.

However, considering all of his other crazy gimmicks, Iron Man most likely takes the majority in this match.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That was Iron Man's doppelganger disguised as him.

That's how I remember it.

That panel was part of the Infinity Gauntlet IIRC.

H. S. 6
Magnetic repulsor.

Fight's over. stick out tongue

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That was Iron Man's doppelganger disguised as him.

And that was one panel. He was up and about in the next page. I don't think so, I think it was Iron Man cause DD and Wolverine could not tell the difference with their senses and earlier in the isssue it shows the alien taking over his body.

And that scan was to show IM was unable to break out of Colossus hold on him. He was struggling as Colossus stated and then IM said "let me go".

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't think so, I think it was Iron Man cause DD and Wolverine could not tell the difference with their senses and earlier in the isssue it shows the alien taking over his body.

And that scan was to show IM was unable to break out of Colossus hold on him. He was struggling as Colossus stated and then IM said "let me go".

Wow. Contort it a bit more, why dontcha? You ever consider the fact that
the HULK is right behind him, pissed off, and it might be a good idea for Piotr to quit being an idiot Russian? If you look a bit closer, Iron Man's not ever making an attempt at getting loose.

Please re-read the issue and try again.

Scoobless
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Colossus_(Piotr_Rasputin)

"He can survive extremes of temperature from 70 degrees above absolute zero (-390 degrees Fahrenheit) to approximately 9000 Fahrenheit. However, it is theorized that above the latter temperature, his armored form would begin to melt."

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/8782/img014xm9.th.jpg

Iron Man melts him down and makes a new suit of armour out of him.

smile

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/colossus.htm
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Colossus_(Piotr_Rasputin)

"He can survive extremes of temperature from 70 degrees above absolute zero (-390 degrees Fahrenheit) to approximately 9000 Fahrenheit. However, it is theorized that above the latter temperature, his armored form would begin to melt."

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/8782/img014xm9.th.jpg

Iron Man melts him down and makes a new suit of armour out of him.

smile

Ten Thousand Kelvin?! eek! I LOVE IT!

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Wow. Contort it a bit more, why dontcha? You ever consider the fact that
the HULK is right behind him, pissed off, and it might be a good idea for Piotr to quit being an idiot Russian? If you look a bit closer, Iron Man's not ever making an attempt at getting loose.

Please re-read the issue and try again. What's with the attitude? How many times have you been banned? shifty

Hulk is mad cause they stepped on his toe. Read the scan. And if YOU look closely or even read closely Colossus tells him to stop struggling imlying that hey...maybe IM is struggling. And you can see the lines drawn in by the artist by IM's arms indicated a movement motion.

And here is the scan showing the doppleganger taking over IM's body. The dopplegangers did not look like the real deals.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Ironmanpossesed.jpg

snoopdogg
BTW am in no way saying that Colossus will win. I'm just saying he's stronger than IM but IM is more powerful.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
What's with the attitude? How many times have you been banned? shifty


How many times have you contorted the truth to make your own case seem better, or show lack of context to show what's going on?

Originally posted by snoopdogg

Hulk is mad cause they stepped on his toe. Read the scan. And if YOU look closely or even read closely Colossus tells him to stop struggling imlying that hey...maybe IM is struggling. And you can see the lines drawn in by the artist by IM's arms indicated a movement motion.

You are aware that when performing a Full nelson you move the opponents arms upward, correct? Same motion. Proves nothing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg

And here is the scan showing the doppleganger taking over IM's body. The dopplegangers did not look like the real deals.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Ironmanpossesed.jpg

http://stevescars.digitaloutsider.org/captain_obvious.jpg

Scoobless
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Ten Thousand Kelvin?! eek! I LOVE IT!

http://www.unit-conversion.info/temperature.html

10,000 oK = 17540.33 oF

shock

So the required 9,000 oF = 5255.37 oK

Which is way below 50% power output for that particular armour.

smile

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
How many times have you contorted the truth to make your own case seem better, or show lack of context to show what's going on? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones


You are aware that when performing a Full nelson you move the opponents arms upward, correct? Same motion. Proves nothing. Full nelsons are pretty damm easy to get out of. I believe somebody mentioned IM being stronger than Colossus. Sh!t the handbooks even say Colossus is stronger.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones


http://stevescars.digitaloutsider.org/captain_obvious.jpg Happy Dance

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Innerhype
Does anyone have the scan that show Iron Man decking Colossus with a repulser ray? He was up on the next page.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg

Here he takes a blast similar to a Repulsor Ray unaware again but is up on next page or so.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsBlob3.jpg

King_Mungi
Snoop word of advice post the scans of Colossus getting back up just furthers your point.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Snoop word of advice post the scans of Colossus getting back up just furthers your point. I would say he recovered nicely being he was hit unaware.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/uncannyxmenannual07page182ma.jpg

King_Mungi
Much better.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.unit-conversion.info/temperature.html

10,000 oK = 17540.33 oF

shock

So the required 9,000 oF = 5255.37 oK

Which is way below 50% power output for that particular armour.

smile Heat dissipates over distance. He would have to stand close, stand still, and power up. Colossus would probably just dodge it and snap his head off.

Scoobless
He still gets melted.

stick out tongue

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Heat dissipates over distance. He would have to stand close, stand still, and power up. Colossus would probably just dodge it and snap his head off.

Alternativley, if Colossus acted quickly, with his level of durability, if Ironman attempts to use that attack, he doesnt even need to dodge until the heat gets pretty high, so he just steps through the beam and deals a metal fist to the head.

Scoobless
Within the first second of that heat based attack the temperature went above Colossus highest tolerance point.... there's no way that he can walk through it.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Heat dissipates over distance. He would have to stand close, stand still, and power up. Colossus would probably just dodge it and snap his head off.

Sorry, but there's no way he could pull that off. Iron Man is quicker than he is, and has faster reaction times. Also, the temp was 10,000 Kelvin, not 10,000 farenheight. Colossus would be a pile of melted metal with the initial blast.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Sorry, but there's no way he could pull that off. Iron Man is quicker than he is, and has faster reaction times.Not in this thread. Conversely Colossus has enhanced speed while armoured. Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, the temp was 10,000 Kelvin, not 10,000 farenheight. Colossus would be a pile of melted metal with the initial blast. That wasn't the initial blast, he had to stand close, stand still and power up. Besides it couldn't melt Graviton it's not melting Colossus.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Full nelsons are pretty damm easy to get out of. I believe somebody mentioned IM being stronger than Colossus. Sh!t the handbooks even say Colossus is stronger.

Happy Dance

Full nelson's are easy to get out of? You can kill a man from that position with ease?

You don't know anything about unarmed combat, do you?

Ignorance must be bliss for you. You practice it quite often.

NiñoAraña
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Retrains Iron Man who was unable to break Colossus' hold.(Iron Man was under the influence of a outside force but still had his abilities):

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusandIMIW2.jpg that's just a feat for hulk if anyone... stick out tongue

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not in this thread. Conversely Colossus has enhanced speed while armoured. That wasn't the initial blast, he had to stand close, stand still and power up. Besides it couldn't melt Graviton it's not melting Colossus.

Graviton > Colossus.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That wasn't the initial blast, he had to stand close, stand still and power up. Besides it couldn't melt Graviton it's not melting Colossus.
Graviton > Colossus. In terms of overall power definitely. But afaik not with regard to his resistance to heat.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In terms of overall power definitely. But afaik not with regard to his resistance to heat.

That feat there is proof that he is. no expression

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That feat there is proof that he is. no expression Or that the temperatures stated are just artistic license.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or that the temperatures stated are just artistic license.

Not really. Graviton's shown in the past to have a lot of durability, considering he is a team wrecker.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Full nelson's are easy to get out of? You can kill a man from that position with ease?

You don't know anything about unarmed combat, do you?

Ignorance must be bliss for you. You practice it quite often. Happy Dance

Listen Albert. If the person applying the hold to you is stronger than you are then yes they are impossible to get out of. But, if your stronger than the person applying it then you can get out of it. I mean if you're mom put me in the full-nelson I'm pretty sure I could get out of it. But if Shaq put me in it I would be dead.

xmarksthespot
Regardless he would have to stop, stand close, stand still and power up.

Dodge, crush head.

And the actual handbook entries say nothing of melting. The only time Colossus has been superheated, he's turned white hot, but I don't recall him melting.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Happy Dance

Listen Albert. If the person applying the hold to you is stronger than you are then yes they are impossible to get out of. But, if your stronger than the person applying it then you can get out of it. I mean if your mom put me in the full-nelson I'm pretty sure I could get out of it. But if Shaq put me in it I would be dead.

True enough. However, when two people of similar strengths are in the hold, it is still a difficult hold to get out of, especially when someone applying it has a size advantage.

snoopdogg

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The only time Colossus has been superheated, he's turned white hot, but I don't recall him melting.

Yeah, but has Colossus ever been heated up as hot as the temperature in that IM pic?

And that pic of Colossus holding Iron Man in a full nelson really holds no merit because regardless if it's a doppelganger or an alien possessing Iron Man, it's still technically not Iron Man.

jasofisc
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Heat dissipates over distance. He would have to stand close, stand still, and power up. Colossus would probably just dodge it and snap his head off.


also I know the bio says the whole he can only stand so much heat but colossus has survived becoming white hot before with out sweeting it. SO I think the bio is wrong iron man isn't taking colossus out with his blasters. However he programed his armor to have cap America fighting ability. and that will handle colosus quite nicely.

Soljer
Originally posted by jasofisc
also I know the bio says the whole he can only stand so much heat but colossus has survived becoming white hot before with out sweeting it. SO I think the bio is wrong iron man isn't taking colossus out with his blasters. However he programed his armor to have cap America fighting ability. and that will handle colosus quite nicely.

He can't program his armor to have Captain America's fighting ability. That wasn't what that scene in civil war meant.

He was just mentioning that the armor recorded Captain America's movements - it gave him a pseudo 'pre-cog'.

jasofisc
Originally posted by Soljer
He can't program his armor to have Captain America's fighting ability. That wasn't what that scene in civil war meant.

He was just mentioning that the armor recorded Captain America's movements - it gave him a pseudo 'pre-cog'.

well either way it can do the same to colosus after a while

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Yeah, but has Colossus ever been heated up as hot as the temperature in that IM pic? I don't know what upper temperature limit Pyro can make his flames. He's shrugged off Havok's plasma.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.unit-conversion.info/temperature.html

10,000 oK = 17540.33 oF

shock

So the required 9,000 oF = 5255.37 oK

Which is way below 50% power output for that particular armour.

smile

Only problem is that it is a theory. I'm not saying it's false, but we don't really know if it's true either. It's THEORIZED. We nor Colossus know exactly what his melting temperature is. Until then, it's all assumption.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Alternativley, if Colossus acted quickly, with his level of durability, if Ironman attempts to use that attack, he doesnt even need to dodge until the heat gets pretty high, so he just steps through the beam and deals a metal fist to the head.

Exactly.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Colossus would probably just dodge it........

Oh, you mean the same way that the guy in those panels did?

IM could hover above Colossus, out of his reach, peppering him with repulsor blasts until his armor can generate the required heat for the beam. IM could then nail Colossus with the beam and slowly move in, focusing the beam directly onto Piotr as the temp/heat of the beam increases even more.

Soljer
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't know what upper temperature limit Pyro can make his flames. He's shrugged off Havok's plasma.

"Even in a "cold" plasma the electron temperature is still typically several thousand degrees Celsius."

Havok's plasma is likely much hotter.

Soljer
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Oh, you mean the same way that the guy in those panels did?

IM could hover above Colossus, out of his reach, peppering him with repulsor blasts until his armor can generate the required heat for the beam. IM could then nail Colossus with the beam and slowly move in, focusing the beam directly onto Piotr as the temp/heat of the beam increases even more.

Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Soljer
"Even in a "cold" plasma the electron temperature is still typically several thousand degrees Celsius."

Havok's plasma is likely much hotter. Plasma temperatures are typically measured in electronvolts if I recall. 1eV = 11,000 K.Originally posted by Soljer
Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension. And has no enhanced speed, which would technically make Colossus faster than him.

Badabing
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Plasma temperatures are typically measured in electronvolts if I recall. 1eV = 11,000 K.And has no enhanced speed, which would technically make Colossus faster than him.
Doesn't Iron Man's armor now grant him superhuman reflexes. I'm not up to date on his abilities. confused

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Badabing
Doesn't Iron Man's armor now grant him superhuman reflexes. I'm not up to date on his abilities. confused His speeds have been restricted though, reacting to a bullet is a bit redundant if you can't move out of the way.

Badabing
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
His speeds have been restricted though, reacting to a bullet is a bit redundant if you can't move out of the way.
Got it. Speed, not reflexes. wink

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Soljer
Iron-man is restricted to the ground for this fight.

Yay for literacy and reading comprehension.

In actuality, the real idiocy is taking away particular powers that are intrinsic to a character and pitting said character up against a foe who has all of his normal capabilities/powers.

No flight capability?
No magnetic powers or sonic attacks?
No Extremis-enhanced speed?

That's like saying pitting Superman up against Darkseid, but with the stipulation that Supes can't fly, use his superspeed, or his heat vision.

Put it this way, if you have to blatantly handicap a character and take away some of his powers just to make it a level playing field or make it more "fair", I think its pretty obvious who the more powerful character really is.

I'm just saying.

xmarksthespot
It's just pre-Extremis Iron Man vs Colossus H2H, no flight, energy attacks allowed, it's not that big a stretch. Iron Man is more versatile and in that regard consequently more powerful than Colossus; is it statement of the obvious day?

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
In actuality, the real idiocy is taking away particular powers that are intrinsic to a character and pitting said character up against a foe who has all of his normal capabilities/powers.

No flight capability?
No magnetic powers or sonic attacks?
No Extremis-enhanced speed?

That's like saying pitting Superman up against Darkseid, but with the stipulation that Supes can't fly, use his superspeed, or his heat vision.

Put it this way, if you have to blatantly handicap a character and take away some of his powers just to make it a level playing field or make it more "fair", I think its pretty obvious who the more powerful character really is.

I'm just saying.

I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that Iron Man is not more powerful than Colossus. Cuz that's pretty obvious. While Colosuss is stronger than Iron Man, Tony is more powerful all around.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's just pre-Extremis Iron Man vs Colossus H2H, no flight, energy attacks allowed, it's not that big a stretch.

Not that big of a stretch? Umm, yeah it is.

So basically, it's Tony in a suit whose only real offensive capability is enhanced strength? Up against someone of the likes of Colossus, Tony might as well just be wearing standard issue Guardsman armor or even the Beetle's armor (both sans flight capability).

Hell, you might as well have Tony in nothing but his boxers take on Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that Iron Man is not more powerful than Colossus. Cuz that's pretty obvious. While Colosuss is stronger than Iron Man, Tony is more powerful all around.

Agreed.

Metalmanx
However, at the same time, we don't know the true extent of Colossus's durability. For all we know, Iron Man's energy attacks may do no harm to Colossus at all. We can only assume, since they've never fought straight up.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Not that big of a stretch? Umm, yeah it is.

So basically, it's Tony in a suit whose only real offensive capability is enhanced strength? Up against someone of the likes of Colossus, Tony might as well just be wearing standard issue Guardsman armor or even the Beetle's armor (both sans flight capability).

Hell, you might as well have Tony in nothing but his boxers take on Colossus.

Agreed. Pretty much every new thread that isn't a rehash these days has stipulations in it. erm

Scoobless
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Only problem is that it is a theory. I'm not saying it's false, but we don't really know if it's true either. It's THEORIZED. We nor Colossus know exactly what his melting temperature is. Until then, it's all assumption.

Colossus has been melted before by things that aren't as hot as Iron Man's chest beam - such as Pete Wisdom's "hot knives".

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That wasn't the initial blast, he had to stand close, stand still and power up. Besides it couldn't melt Graviton it's not melting Colossus.

Graviton is one of the most powerful beings on the planet, he has force fields and can make his body as dense as he wants.... Colossus has nothing on Graviton.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In terms of overall power definitely. But afaik not with regard to his resistance to heat.

Graviton has been to the sun before.

no expression

xmarksthespot
Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

Well, the surface temp of the sun is only around 6,000 K.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.

9,000 F = 5255.37 K

Pete melted Colossus's back years ago when they got into a fight over Kitty... Colossus punched him, breaking most of his ribs, then Wisdom hit him in the back and melted a large chunk of him.... it was later repaired by Moira McTaggart.
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Wisdom can obviously alter the temp of his knives though ... so there's no telling what their temp was when placed on Colossus' face.

xmarksthespot
Actually I checked the issue. Wisdom fires a concentrated blast from all of his fingers aimed directly at Colossus' lower spine when Colossus attention was on Kitty which manages to blast off some organic metal muscle and damage the spine, then Meggan and Captain Britain knock him out together. Wisdom's knives are pure thermal energy however, the heat doesn't dissipate like that of a blast.

Question: when Graviton takes a moonlit stroll along the photosphere does he incur any damage?

Metalmanx
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh my knowledge of Graviton is limited. Which is why I put "afaik". If he has been to the sun I don't see why 10,000 K would hurt him. Interesting...

I do however have Excalibur. I don't recall Pete Wisdom's hot knives melting Colossus. I recall Wisdom placing one over Colossus eyes, and it hurting him after Colossus became jealous of Wisdom making moves on Kitty. But his face maintained structural integrity. And considering the hot knives are supposed to be "surface of the sun" i.e. around 5,500 K according to the link you posted, that kind of dispels the whole 9,000 F melting thing. Iron Man is welcome to try placing his chest right next to Colossus' face.

Yea, that's what I thought, too, about Wisdom's hot knives. I don't recall them ever actually melting Colossus either.

And I would love ot see Iron Man place his chest right next to Colossus's face. They'd have to start calling him the "Iron Lung Man".

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, that's what I thought, too, about Wisdom's hot knives. I don't recall them ever actually melting Colossus either.

And I would love ot see Iron Man place his chest right next to Colossus's face. They'd have to start calling him the "Iron Lung Man". NB Wisdom did cause small (in size) but relatively major damage to Colossus lower back. See above for more info. But I don't see that as a viable tactic when Colossus has his attention on the opponent and also with a wide field blast from a distance where heat dissipates more readily.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
NB Wisdom did cause small (in size) but relatively major damage to Colossus lower back. See above for more info. But I don't see that as a viable tactic when Colossus has his attention on the opponent and also with a wide field blast from a distance where heat dissipates more readily.

Exactly. I knew where you were going with that. I'm in full agreement.

Scoobless
Graviton was also "at a distance" ... but the temp Graviton reached was double Pete Wisdom's best and still rising.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Scoobless
Colossus has been melted before by things that aren't as hot as Iron Man's chest beam - such as Pete Wisdom's "hot knives". Pete Wisdoms attacks have been compared to the Sun though. Escpecially the one he used on Colossus. Does IM have a attack the potent?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

And you keep using the handbooks as a peak melting point for Colossus but your using feats for IM from a comic. But, according to the handbooks Colossus is Class 100 and IM is Class 90.

IM wins this fight due to his versatility but if he tries to fight close range he'll be in for a fight.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Scoobless
Graviton was also "at a distance" ... but the temp Graviton reached was double Pete Wisdom's best and still rising. With an Iron Man standing still and powering up. You never answered my question.

Howard_Jones
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

Hyperbole vs

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

actual given temperature.

Hmmm. I wonder which one is more accurate.

Scoobless
I used the quotes from Marvel.com because the only time I've ever seen Colossus get melted was in that one comic against Pete Wisdom (and I don't have it to scan)

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandWisdom3.jpg

Hyperbole vs

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

actual given temperature.

Hmmm. I wonder which one is more accurate. Narration is considered hyperbole? I wasn't aware.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by snoopdogg
And you keep using the handbooks as a peak melting point for Colossus but your using feats for IM from a comic. The handbook does not state 9000 deg F as a melting point per se.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Narration is considered hyperbole? I wasn't aware.

Some is, some isn't. Given temperature gives a better idea of what's going on.

Or do you want to say that Pete Wisdom had the sun in his hand?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The handbook does not state 9000 deg F as a melting point per se. That's true. Never thought of that as it might be higher.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Some is, some isn't. Given temperature gives a better idea of what's going on.

Or do you want to say that Pete Wisdom had the sun in his hand? Wisdom's hot knives are pure thermal energy oft stated as generally being as hot as the surface of the sun iirc. However he can alter this, and the maximum temperature attainable hasn't been indicated.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wisdom's hot knives are pure thermal energy oft stated as generally being as hot as the surface of the sun iirc. However he can alter this, and the maximum temperature attainable hasn't been indicated.

Going by a general statement doesn't mean much. General statement can be seen as hyperbole as well. The Sentry doesn't have the power of a bunch of exploding suns, but that's the description.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Going by a general statement doesn't mean much. General statement can be seen as hyperbole as well. The Sentry doesn't have the power of a bunch of exploding suns, but that's the description. So with no indication of temperature one cannot accept Wisdom's knives on Colossus' face? Then by corollary, one also cannot admit Wisdom's knives managing to damage Colossus back into the debate. We don't know how hot they are.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So with no indication of temperature one cannot accept Wisdom's knives on Colossus' face? Then by corollary, one also cannot admit Wisdom's knives managing to damage Colossus back into the debate. We don't know how hot they are.

No. Without knowledge of temperature you don't know how hot they really are. That's just about it.

Soleran
Yes but with reasonable certainty we can say that the surface of the sun is a high spot for his temperatures so for the discussion here we could go with that and not feel guilty at all!

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Soleran
Yes but with reasonable certainty we can say that the surface of the sun is a high spot for his temperatures so for the discussion here we could go with that and not feel guilty at all! It's more the general temperature rather than a high spot.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's more the general temperature rather than a high spot.

General Temperature? So I can make soup at that temp?

xmarksthespot
What?

Soleran
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
General Temperature? So I can make soup at that temp?

Possibly but I'm thinking the pot might burn.

H. S. 6
What the hell just happened in this thread?

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by H. S. 6
What the hell just happened in this thread? Something about soup?

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by H. S. 6
What the hell just happened in this thread?

Kittens.

Want one?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by H. S. 6
What the hell just happened in this thread? I don't know. I went to go get a Ham sandwich and a bowl of Lucky Charms.

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