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who wins?

Sentry.

Sentry beats both versions of Namor at the sametime.

You think so?

Sentry's million suns will make so that Namor wish he was never created in the first place.

Sentry has yet to display his "power of a million Suns". As a matter of fact, Sentry's power is son contradictory that recently in the Mighty Avengers his power was refereed to as the power of a thousand suns. Either way he's yet to show similar power to either.

Originally posted by His Airness
Sentry has yet to display his "power of a million Suns". As a matter of fact, Sentry's power is son contradictory that recently in the Mighty Avengers his power was refereed to as the power of a thousand suns. Either way he's yet to show similar power to either.

He overloaded AbsorbingMan no one has ever managed that before.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He overloaded AbsorbingMan no one has ever managed that before.

So he has a high feat, big deal. When compared to the pinnacle of Herald feats, that feat isn't even impressive. Also, Absorbing Man overloaded when attempting to absorb all the energies of a planet.

Originally posted by His Airness
So he has a high feat, big deal. When compared to the pinnacle of Herald feats, that feat isn't even impressive.

He has tons of high feats. Unfortunately he has almost nothing but high feats. He's taken down heralds before anyway.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He has tons of high feats. Unfortunately he has almost nothing but high feats. He's taken down heralds before anyway.

Slight problem though, does Terrax even COUNT as a Herald ? I mean the guy's a friggin joke !

Originally posted by grey fox
Slight problem though, does Terrax even COUNT as a Herald ? I mean the guy's a friggin joke !

Yes yes a joke that can blow up a planet . . .

Genis is around herald level too, right?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He has tons of high feats. Unfortunately he has almost nothing but high feats. He's taken down heralds before anyway.

You say Heralds as if he's taken more than one out, he hasn't. However the one he did take out has been consistently owned throughout the duration of his history. I even recall him bing one shotted by a hammer throw from Thor. He may be a herald, but his power lv is far from the pinnacle of herald lv characters.

Oh, and by the way. All Sentry's feats aren't impressive as your post implies. Just recently not only was he dominated physically in a battle with Ultron but he struggled and failed at stopping the Heli-Carrier from falling. He required the help of Wonder Man, and Ms. Marvel. So no, when I read Sentry, I fail to see the "power of a million suns".

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes yes a joke that can blow up a planet . . .

Genis is around herald level too, right?

Wonder why he didn't use the same ability against Sentry? I know why. It's because up until recently he was written like a joke.

Yes he is, I guess thats why he was so easily able to rid himself of Sentry when needed.

Originally posted by His Airness
Wonder why he didn't use the same ability against Sentry? I know why. It's because up until recently he was written like a joke.

Didn't see the " " smiley did you? ermmfrown

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes he is, I guess thats why he was so easily able to rid himself of Sentry when needed.

I heard Sentry beat him srug

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Didn't see the " " smiley did you? ermmfrown



I heard Sentry beat him srug

Not at all. Sentry was bloodied, Ultron was perfectly fine.

Originally posted by His Airness
Not at all. Sentry was bloodied, Ultron was perfectly fine.

When did Ultron enter this conversation?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When did Ultron enter this conversation?

I thought you were talking about when Sentry was beat by Ultron...

No Sentry was casually BFR'd by Genis.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He overloaded AbsorbingMan no one has ever managed that before. Wrong!
Quasar has done so years before Sentry was even thought of.

The sentry hype Machine seems to be working in overdrive and he seems to have amassed a bigger fanbase.

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, After fighting her for 5 pages straight (he was doing pretty well IMO) he suddenly gets defeated in a few panels, then less than a page later he cannot even lift something two weaker Avengers managed to with a single hand.

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Despite the fact Carol had already stated an issue prior he's "more powerful than all of us".

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And I'm really the only one that suspects foul play?

If it turns out in MA #4 that Sentry hadn't been depowered, fine, I'll take it all back. But until then I STILL suspect that to have occured.

Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Despite the fact Carol had already stated an issue prior he's "more powerful than all of us".

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/morepower.jpg

And I'm really the only one that suspects foul play?

If it turns out in MA #4 that Sentry hadn't been depowered, fine, I'll take it all back. But until then I STILL suspect that to have occured.

The same was basically said about Ares in that issue.

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Originally posted by tkitna
Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.



Yes he did. After his punch was casually blocked and his mouth bloodied, the fight was seemingly over. It's was pretty well established that Sentry would have been unable to defeat her.

Sentry single handedly did nothing. The Heli Carrier was going to crash before Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel aided him in breaking it's fall.

She was being sarcastic, and at that point Ultrons powers were unknown.

That wasn't a stalemate, there was a clear winner at the conclusion of the fight.

Originally posted by His Airness


Yes he did. After his punch was casually blocked and his mouth bloodied, the fight was seemingly over. It's was pretty well established that Sentry would have been unable to defeat her.

So the Sentry was out cold with Ultron standing over him in victory? Please! After he got hit in the throat he immediately went after the heli-carrier. He was in no way done yet.



It would appear so, but do we really know? There was still time before it crashed. For the sake of arguing though, i'll agree with you that it probably would have crashed.



She was not being sarcastic. She did not want Sentry to kill her because of Tony.



Why, because Ultron said so? I didnt see either one of them down for the count.

Here's the scan of Carol telling him not to throw her into the sun. Doesnt look to sarcastic to me until Sentry answers her.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/mightyavengers/003/preview/MIGHTAVN003_intLowRes-3.jpg

Originally posted by tkitna
Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.

Yeah Sentry was clearly holding back because they need Ultron for answers. It looked like a good fight and Ultron was the one who retreated not Sentry.

Ultimate Namor literally has somewhere in the range of 2-5 feats. I think it's way too early to be pitting him in Versus forum fights.

That being said, I'd have to lean towards Sentry for this one. We haven't seen enough of Namor's speed, but I believe we can safely assume he isn't FTL. Sentry's greater speed would give him an advantage.

As a side not: Sentry lost the fight with Ultron? Really? First of all, he was holding back (remained completely physical, was told not to hurt Ultron in case Tony was still alive). Secondly, he stalemated the machine for the majority of the fight. Granted, she got several good shots in, but then had to rely on using the Helicarrier as a diversion?

Doesn't sound like someone who was confident in their ability to win to me. And it's also very clear that fight was far from over, had, ya' know, Ultron not run away.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Ultimate Namor literally has somewhere in the range of 2-5 feats. I think it's way too early to be pitting him in Versus forum fights.

That being said, I'd have to lean towards Sentry for this one. We haven't seen enough of Namor's speed, but I believe we can safely assume he isn't FTL. Sentry's greater speed would give him an advantage.

As a side not: Sentry lost the fight with Ultron? Really? First of all, he was holding back (remained completely physical, was told not to hurt Ultron in case Tony was still alive). Secondly, he stalemated the machine for the majority of the fight. Granted, she got several good shots in, but then had to rely on using the Helicarrier as a diversion?

Doesn't sound like someone who was confident in their ability to win to me. And it's also very clear that fight was far from over, had, ya' know, Ultron not run away.

Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.

Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.

Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.

When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?

You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.

http://images.comicbookresources.co...intLowRes-3.jpg

It is implied in the scan above that he was holding back as he said he wouldnt throw her into the sun and that he remembered the talk Carol and he had about him losing control.

Aw, who cares anymore. We'll probably be seeing what he has in the next few months anyways.

One last comment about the fight too. Its apparent that Ultron is above physical harm as Sentry caved her head in and then nearly took her head off with another punch and she was unfazed. Unless Sentry was going to tear her in half (which he wasnt going to do due to Carol and Tony) how could anybody think the outcome would have been different?

There was no winner or loser.

Originally posted by tkitna
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It is implied in the scan above that he was holding back as he said he wouldnt throw her into the sun and that he remembered the talk Carol and he had about him losing control.

Aw, who cares anymore. We'll probably be seeing what he has in the next few months anyways.

Sarcasm. I guess Bendis has to make the obvious... more obvious.

Regardless of Sentry holding back (or being depowered) She-tron is pretty uber at this point.

So whether Sentry's stalemating her is a low feat is too early to call.


Anyone else notice how She-tron not only looks like Wasp, but said that she loved her? Technically, Janet is Ultron's mom....... Looks like Ultron is into incest.....vin

Anybody else notice the detail on Ultron's crotch in the "retreat" picture?

Originally posted by His Airness
Sarcasm. I guess Bendis has to make the obvious... more obvious. Why would she have sarcastically told him not to throw her into the sun?

Wouldn't throwing her into the sun have been a good idea if the goal was to defeat her?

Link quit working for some reason. Oh well, heres the entire link.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10527

Originally posted by His Airness
Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.


Hyperbole

Originally posted by His Airness
Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.


Bullshit

Originally posted by His Airness
Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.


Again bullshit

Mental manipulation , Energy blasts, super-hearing , super perception, flight , empathy ect

Sentry has quite a few powers.

Originally posted by His Airness
When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?


Because afterwards she ran like a *****.

Originally posted by His Airness
You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.


Which makes sense, unlike Supes Sentry doesn't have tactile Tk (it's how Supes is able to hold onto large objects without them breaking under their own weight/force) he's struggling to hold a 80,000 ton object and make sure it doesn't tear itself in half.

Originally posted by grey fox


Which makes sense, unlike Supes Sentry doesn't have tactile Tk (it's how Supes is able to hold onto large objects without them breaking under their own weight/force) he's struggling to hold a 80,000 ton object and make sure it doesn't tear itself in half.

Exactly.

Originally posted by His Airness
Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.

Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.

Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.

When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?

You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.

I can see you haven't heard of hyperbole.

No powers except strength? Check Fox's post. Additionally, he used nothing but physical force against Ultron. Proof that he was holding back.

Ultron used the Helicarrier to distract Sentry from fighting her. Textbook example of a diversion.

Are you suggesting that stopping an 80,000 ton that is falling to the ground isn't a high end feat? I'm no physics junkie, but slowing something that heavy in free fall would take an amazing level of strength.

Also, as tkina pointed out, Ultron seems to be impervious to physical damage. Though we know little about her, we know she is incredibly strong, since she bloodied Sentry. We know Sentry is no slack in the endurance department: withstanding nuclear bombs, intense heat of the sun, and not even budging when the Hulk threw a train at him.

Yes, this new Ultron is uber indeed. To imply that the Sentry going toe-to-toe with her is a low end feat is invalid, to say the least.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I can see you haven't heard of hyperbole.

No powers except strength? Check Fox's post. Additionally, he used nothing but physical force against Ultron. Proof that he was holding back.

Ultron used the Helicarrier to distract Sentry from fighting her. Textbook example of a diversion.

Are you suggesting that stopping an 80,000 ton that is falling to the ground isn't a high end feat? I'm no physics junkie, but slowing something that heavy in free fall would take an amazing level of strength.

Also, as tkina pointed out, Ultron seems to be impervious to physical damage. Though we know little about her, we know she is incredibly strong, since she bloodied Sentry. We know Sentry is no slack in the endurance department: withstanding nuclear bombs, intense heat of the sun, and not even budging when the Hulk threw a train at him.

Yes, this new Ultron is uber indeed. To imply that the Sentry going toe-to-toe with her is a low end feat is invalid, to say the least.

I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?

Sentry does engage in h2h combat in most of his fights. He may have a few other powers, but like Superman, Sentry just normally fights h2h. It's his character.

Ok, I'll concede to that point as it isn't worth debating about.

Yes, compared to the pinnacle of strength feats, and the hype we've received about Sentry, he should have had little trouble stopping the Carrier from falling.

I'll withhold further judgement until I see more from her.

Originally posted by His Airness
I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?


No , he was underestimating and ignorant of the power Namor had. Let's not forget the term 'strongest meta-human' is thrown around a HELL of a lot in the Ultimateverse.

Reeds defintion could mean Ben ? Or Thor ? But then Doctor Doom aparently pwns Thor strengthwise as well.

Thus the confusion begins.

Let's just leave it at Hyperbole people , it solves SO many problems.

Originally posted by His Airness
I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?

Sentry does engage in h2h combat in most of his fights. He may have a few other powers, but like Superman, Sentry just normally fights h2h. It's his character.

Ok, I'll concede to that point as it isn't worth debating about.

Yes, compared to the pinnacle of strength feats, and the hype we've received about Sentry, he should have had little trouble stopping the Carrier from falling.

I'll withhold further judgement until I see more from her.

I do not doubt that Reed thought it would have been able to hold some of the strongest meta-humans in his world. However, saying something and actually proving it are two different things. It's all speculation as to whether or not the machine would have been able to hold the likes of Thor, Hulk, etc., until we see some kind of proof.

Sentry routinely uses his other powers in fights. Super Adaptoid? Yes. Terrax? Yes. Xeniac? Yes. The Inhumans? Yes. Also keep in mind, we haven't seen Sentry go all-out very often. Fortunately, this is something we do not have to worry about in Vs. Forum fights, as the characters fight to the best of their ability.

What other "pinnacle of strength feats" and hype are you comparing the helicarrier feat to? Because it's pretty damn impressive to me.

This fight is really a non-fight anyway, seeing as how Ultimate Namor has next to no feats. He broke out of Reed's machine (which clearly hadn't yet been tested with another meta-human), and made a man of water. We don't know how strong he is, how fast he is--we can see he isn't all that durable, as he was getting pretty beat up when he was fighting the Fantastic Four. We don't know how his waterkinesis works--for all we know, Sentry could simply reverse the effects by drawing out whatever energy Namor uses to create them. He couldn't stand up to the holograms he was fighting, and he couldn't defeat the F4, having to rely on the threat to New York to end the fight. No doubt he's a badass, but he just doesn't have the feats to support wins against the Sentry.

Originally posted by grey fox
No , he was underestimating and ignorant of the power Namor had. Let's not forget the term 'strongest meta-human' is thrown around a HELL of a lot in the Ultimateverse.

Reeds defintion could mean Ben ? Or Thor ? But then Doctor Doom aparently pwns Thor strengthwise as well.

Thus the confusion begins.

Let's just leave it at Hyperbole people , it solves SO many problems.

Indeed. It's now supposed that Doom is the "strongest" being in the Ult. Universe. When terms such as these are thrown around, it's best to accept them as hyperbole.

Only you KMC'ers want to throw everyone into the sun (just look at any of the Superman posts)

Originally posted by CasanoVa
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, After fighting her for 5 pages straight (he was doing pretty well IMO) he suddenly gets defeated in a few panels, then less than a page later he cannot even lift something two weaker Avengers managed to with a single hand.

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Despite the fact Carol had already stated an issue prior he's "more powerful than all of us".

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/morepower.jpg

And I'm really the only one that suspects foul play?

If it turns out in MA #4 that Sentry hadn't been depowered, fine, I'll take it all back. But until then I STILL suspect that to have occured.


Move him down a tier durfist

Originally posted by grey fox
No , he was underestimating and ignorant of the power Namor had. Let's not forget the term 'strongest meta-human' is thrown around a HELL of a lot in the Ultimateverse.

Reeds defintion could mean Ben ? Or Thor ? But then Doctor Doom aparently pwns Thor strengthwise as well.

Thus the confusion begins.

Let's just leave it at Hyperbole people , it solves SO many problems.

Ignorant to Namor's power yes, but did he underestimating him? no. He was contained in a device that was supposedly able to contain the most physically powerful meta-human on earth whom at that time was Hulk. Reed knew this. The arc before he was given the Hulk containment tech, he used the unit to hold the Zombie versions of themselves. The containment unit he used on Namor could have very well been the Hulk containment tech.

Ultimate Hulk has pretty much been established as the physically most powerful being on the planet. Not only do his feats support the idea, but any time a "strong character" is captured or imprisoned, they're imprisoned in containment units that were originally created for the Hulk.

No Doom was only most powerful, not the strongest.

Meh, it was a fairly solid feat imo. Whats even more impressive is that his feats were done soon after his 9000 year slumber. It was stated his muscles weren't even working efficiently.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I do not doubt that Reed thought it would have been able to hold some of the strongest meta-humans in his world. However, saying something and actually proving it are two different things. It's all speculation as to whether or not the machine would have been able to hold the likes of Thor, Hulk, etc., until we see some kind of proof.

Sentry routinely uses his other powers in fights. Super Adaptoid? Yes. Terrax? Yes. Xeniac? Yes. The Inhumans? Yes. Also keep in mind, we haven't seen Sentry go all-out very often. Fortunately, this is something we do not have to worry about in Vs. Forum fights, as the characters fight to the best of their ability.

What other "pinnacle of strength feats" and hype are you comparing the helicarrier feat to? Because it's pretty damn impressive to me.

This fight is really a non-fight anyway, seeing as how Ultimate Namor has next to no feats. He broke out of Reed's machine (which clearly hadn't yet been tested with another meta-human), and made a man of water. We don't know how strong he is, how fast he is--we can see he isn't all that durable, as he was getting pretty beat up when he was fighting the Fantastic Four. We don't know how his waterkinesis works--for all we know, Sentry could simply reverse the effects by drawing out whatever energy Namor uses to create them. He couldn't stand up to the holograms he was fighting, and he couldn't defeat the F4, having to rely on the threat to New York to end the fight. No doubt he's a badass, but he just doesn't have the feats to support wins against the Sentry.



Indeed. It's now supposed that Doom is the "strongest" being in the Ult. Universe. When terms such as these are thrown around, it's best to accept them as hyperbole.

Hulk at that time was thought to be the physically most powerful being at that time. Reed knew this, he had access to the units that held Hulk. Thor has already been established as weaker than Hulk. he was contained in a Hulk containment unit.

Meh, Sentry like most top tiers routinely engage in h2h fights. This imo is not an indication of "holding back".

When I say pinnacle, I mean the feats we see from Superman, Black Adam, Thor, etc. When compared to their more impressive feats the Heli Carrier is nothing.


You must not have been reading the same comic I was reading.

He displayed how fast he was, as he had the ability to instantly teleport.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/Namorinstanttransportation.jpg

He displayed he intelligence, as he was able to learn the English in under a hour.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/Namorlearnlanguage.jpg

He displayed how strong he was, he not only had the feat I described above but he easily owned Thing, and he easily dispatched Reed's machine that possessed all the powers of the F-4. The machine was basically a replica of 616 Super Skrull.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/NamorvsF-4tank4.jpg

He displayed how durable he was.

Up until the nova blast, Namor displayed no signs of injury. The only thing the Nova blast did was destroy his cloths and darken his skin. Never during the fight did he show any signs of being weakened.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/Namortakesnova1.jpg
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I'll leave the waterkineses alone.

He defeated the F-4. He first knocked the Thing across the city. He one shotted Human Torch, and easily punched through Sue's force field knocking her out. The Ultimate version of Super Skrull was then brought out by Reed, which was destroyed in a few pages. Reed then was stretched to the point of breaking.

Doom wasn't regarded as the physically most powerful, he was regarded to the most powerful being.

I really don't care who wins the fight, I just thought it would be nice to see.

Originally posted by His Airness
Hulk at that time was thought to be the physically most powerful being at that time. Reed knew this, he had access to the units that held Hulk. Thor has already been established as weaker than Hulk. he was contained in a Hulk containment unit.

Meh, Sentry like most top tiers routinely engage in h2h fights. This imo is not an indication of "holding back".

When I say pinnacle, I mean the feats we see from Superman, Black Adam, Thor, etc. When compared to their more impressive feats the Heli Carrier is nothing.


You must not have been reading the same comic I was reading.

He displayed how fast he was, as he had the ability to instantly teleport.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/Namorinstanttransportation.jpg

He displayed he intelligence, as he was able to learn the English in under a hour.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/Namorlearnlanguage.jpg

He displayed how strong he was, he not only had the feat I described above but he easily owned Thing, and he easily dispatched Reed's machine that possessed all the powers of the F-4. The machine was basically a replica of 616 Super Skrull.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Ultimate%20Namor%20Feats/NamorvsF-4tank4.jpg

He displayed how durable he was.

Up until the nova blast, Namor displayed no signs of injury. The only thing the Nova blast did was destroy his cloths and darken his skin. Never during the fight did he show any signs of being weakened.

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I'll leave the waterkineses alone.

He defeated the F-4. He first knocked the Thing across the city. He one shotted Human Torch, and easily punched through Sue's force field knocking her out. The Ultimate version of Super Skrull was then brought out by Reed, which was destroyed in a few pages. Reed then was stretched to the point of breaking.

Doom wasn't regarded as the physically most powerful, he was regarded to the most powerful being.

I really don't care who wins the fight, I just thought it would be nice to see.

It really does not matter who the containment equipment was meant to hold. Even Ultimate Hulk is weak, compared to some of the foes Sentry has faced (including 616). Don't forget, even Ultimate Captain America put him down for a time. Not very impressive.

It is holding back, as he was not using his full potential. In other words, for the very short time the fight lasted, he did not use the full extent of his powers. Another textbook definition of holding back.

It's nice that this helicarrier feat doesn't exactly compare with some high-end Superman, Thor, Black Adam, etc. feats, but it's a moot point in this fight. He's fighting Ultimate Namor.

It's extremely unlikely Namor "teleported" in that panel. Look at the panel before: he's hovering. Getting ready to take off. They simply flew. After all, why didn't Namor just teleport from the bottom of the ocean to the surface? Why didn't he just teleport back home after he kissed Sue? Why didn't he use this ability during the fight? There is no evidence they teleported. Furthermore, we have no idea how long it takes for them to get to Times Square. Even if it's a second or two, that's still not fast enough for Sentry.

Learning the language isn't going to help him in a fight.

Indeed, he broke through the machine. Impressive, true. But for the context of this fight, we do not know durable it is. And yes, we've established that Ult. Namor is strong, surely, but this feat provides no proof that his strength is any greater than Sentry's.

The Thing punch isn't worth mentioning. He wasn't even affected, except that he was thrown several blocks away.

His durability is questionable. Notice the cuts and marks Namor has on him from the fight. He's not invulnerable, that's for sure. And do we know Johnny went Nova there? Does Ult. Johnny even have the ability to go nova? It left him smoldering, bruised, and on the ground. While it's a good feat, something Sentry couldn't do? I don't think so.

A defeat for the F4? I don't think so. Neither was it a victory. Thing was unaffected. Reed was fine. Sue was ready to go. Without outside help, it is true that Torch would still be unconscious, but I hardly call that a victory for Namor. After all, we've seen how arrogant he is, yet instead of continuing the fight, he deciding to take the easy way out and threaten the city. Doesn't seem very confident to me.

This is true, though I think Reed would take into account more than just the strength of someone, but their overall power as well. As you put it, he is one of the smartest men on Earth, so I don't think he'd build the machine purely on strength.

You still haven't provided much evidence that Ultimate Namor would be able to stand up to the Sentry.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
It really does not matter who the containment equipment was meant to hold. Even Ultimate Hulk is weak, compared to some of the foes Sentry has faced (including 616). Don't forget, even Ultimate Captain America put him down for a time. Not very impressive.

It is holding back, as he was not using his full potential. In other words, for the very short time the fight lasted, he did not use the full extent of his powers. Another textbook definition of holding back.

It's nice that this helicarrier feat doesn't exactly compare with some high-end Superman, Thor, Black Adam, etc. feats, but it's a moot point in this fight. He's fighting Ultimate Namor.

It's extremely unlikely Namor "teleported" in that panel. Look at the panel before: he's hovering. Getting ready to take off. They simply flew. After all, why didn't Namor just teleport from the bottom of the ocean to the surface? Why didn't he just teleport back home after he kissed Sue? Why didn't he use this ability during the fight? There is no evidence they teleported. Furthermore, we have no idea how long it takes for them to get to Times Square. Even if it's a second or two, that's still not fast enough for Sentry.

Learning the language isn't going to help him in a fight.

Indeed, he broke through the machine. Impressive, true. But for the context of this fight, we do not know durable it is. And yes, we've established that Ult. Namor is strong, surely, but this feat provides no proof that his strength is any greater than Sentry's.

The Thing punch isn't worth mentioning. He wasn't even affected, except that he was thrown several blocks away.

His durability is questionable. Notice the cuts and marks Namor has on him from the fight. He's not invulnerable, that's for sure. And do we know Johnny went Nova there? Does Ult. Johnny even have the ability to go nova? It left him smoldering, bruised, and on the ground. While it's a good feat, something Sentry couldn't do? I don't think so.

A defeat for the F4? I don't think so. Neither was it a victory. Thing was unaffected. Reed was fine. Sue was ready to go. Without outside help, it is true that Torch would still be unconscious, but I hardly call that a victory for Namor. After all, we've seen how arrogant he is, yet instead of continuing the fight, he deciding to take the easy way out and threaten the city. Doesn't seem very confident to me.

This is true, though I think Reed would take into account more than just the strength of someone, but their overall power as well. As you put it, he is one of the smartest men on Earth, so I don't think he'd build the machine purely on strength.

You still haven't provided much evidence that Ultimate Namor would be able to stand up to the Sentry.

My intentions was never to prove the Ultimate characters were more powerful than their 616 counterparts, only to prove that Ultimate Namor very well may be the physically most powerful being on the planet.

So according to your logic, every single fight Thor has been in and he didn't used the extent of his power to it's fullest potential, meaning god blast, anti force blast, anti gravity blast, transmutation, soul transmigration, solar flares, reverse energy, etc, he was holding back?

Thats not what you asked me. You asked what other "pinnacle of strength feats" and hype are you comparing the helicarrier feat to? I answered you. Sentry's strength feats as a whole aren't very impressive, at least when compared to the pinnacle of strength feats.

He teleported. The art not only indicates this, but Sue's astonishment. She didn't even notice they had moved, and they machines that were behind him were unable to follow.

Why are you asking me why the writer didn't implement a certain power when he could have?

Sue didn't notice they moved, thats how fast they moved. Claiming "thats not fast enough for Sentry" without any support of proof or scans, is completely baseless assumptions.

Being intelligent won't help him in a fight?

I never implied Namor was stronger than Sentry, only that he was the strongest in the Ultimate Universe. However Sentry doesn't have the feats to support completely dominant strength.

he was removed from the battle field from a punch. That counts as a victory, at least on these boards.

The cuts and marks were more so to add to the art, then to display injury or defeat. Namor wasn't even effected by the majority of their attacks. Never claimed he was invulnerable, but obviously neither is Sentry.

Well I knew he went Nova, because Sue told him to do so while protecting the area with a force field. The attack was just as ineffective as the rest of their attempts.

So threatening to destroy the city and kill them all isn't impressive to you? If he would have did so from the start we wouldn't get to see any thing from him other than water manipulation.

It was obvious what the machine was made for, as a matter of fact it was identical to the machine the Hulk was contained in during the Ultimates.

I don't have an opinion on the fight, just pointing some things out.

Originally posted by His Airness
My intentions was never to prove the Ultimate characters were more powerful than their 616 counterparts, only to prove that Ultimate Namor very well may be the physically most powerful being on the planet.

Originally posted by His Airness
So according to your logic, every single fight Thor has been in and he didn't used the extent of his power to it's fullest potential, meaning god blast, anti force blast, anti gravity blast, transmutation, soul transmigration, solar flares, reverse energy, etc, he was holding back?


Pretty much. It's a well known fact that Thor is pretty retarded.

Originally posted by His Airness
Thats not what you asked me. You asked what other "pinnacle of strength feats" and hype are you comparing the helicarrier feat to? I answered you. Sentry's strength feats as a whole aren't very impressive, at least when compared to the pinnacle of strength feats.


Yet their still far more impressive then the guy you have a chubby on.

Originally posted by His Airness
He teleported. The art not only indicates this, but Sue's astonishment. She didn't even notice they had moved, and they machines that were behind him were unable to follow.


That's because he flew so fast, neither the robots nor Sue could keep up. He even levitates for christsakes.....
Originally posted by His Airness

Why are you asking me why the writer didn't implement a certain power when he could have?


Sue didn't notice they moved, thats how fast they moved.

Originally posted by His Airness
Claiming "thats not fast enough for Sentry" without any support of proof or scans, is completely baseless assumptions.


Well funnily enough Sentry CAN Teleport and actually HAS a teleport feat Originally posted by Accel
Teleports away:

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7103/newavengersv108122mp.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9287/newavengersv108136vk.jpg

Or a decent Speed feat

Originally posted by Accel
Solves a crisis in Libya, going from the Watchtower and back in a matter of minutes:

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Originally posted by His Airness
Being intelligent won't help him in a fight?


I'll let Ultimate Hulk do the talking for me....
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9634/ultimates200122020page2ca3.th.jpg

Originally posted by His Airness
I never implied Namor was stronger than Sentry, only that he was the strongest in the Ultimate Universe. However Sentry doesn't have the feats to support completely dominant strength.




80,000 ton Helicarrier HA. Leveling a amusement park with ease , one shotting Attuma ect.


Originally posted by His Airness
The cuts and marks were more so to add to the art, then to display injury or defeat. Namor wasn't even effected by the majority of their attacks. Never claimed he was invulnerable, but obviously neither is Sentry.


Much more durable however, MUCH more.

Originally posted by His Airness
Well I knew he went Nova, because Sue told him to do so while protecting the area with a force field. The attack was just as ineffective as the rest of their attempts.


Meh, current 616 Johnny could PWN his counterpart.

Originally posted by His Airness
So threatening to destroy the city and kill them all isn't impressive to you? If he would have did so from the start we wouldn't get to see any thing from him other than water manipulation.


Because it was a cheap way to end the fight, also who knows ? Sue could of held the entire thing in a force bubble, Reed could have made a 'dehydrating gun' ect.

Originally posted by grey fox
Pretty much. It's a well known fact that Thor is pretty retarded.



Yet their still far more impressive then the guy you have a chubby on.



That's because he flew so fast, neither the robots nor Sue could keep up. He even levitates for christsakes.....


Sue didn't notice they moved, thats how fast they moved.



Well funnily enough Sentry CAN Teleport and actually HAS a teleport feat

Or a decent Speed feat





I'll let Ultimate Hulk do the talking for me....
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9634/ultimates200122020page2ca3.th.jpg





80,000 ton Helicarrier HA. Leveling a amusement park with ease , one shotting Attuma ect.




Much more durable however, MUCH more.



Meh, current 616 Johnny could PWN his counterpart.



Because it was a cheap way to end the fight, also who knows ? Sue could of held the entire thing in a force bubble, Reed could have made a 'dehydrating gun' ect.

So fights he lost without using a majority of Mjolnir's abilities should be thrown out? I call bullshit.

I don't even like Ultimate Namor, he hasn't been around enough to actually have fans. Just thought it was bring good discussion, which it has. The first time I've actually had an intelligent debate in a while.

IMo it's obvious teleportation, either way flying or teleporting the feat is impressive. Claiming Sentry is faster is baseless, and pure speculation.

I can't see anything. I honestly don't know what to make of the feats.

Adam warlock is infamous for his tactical genius, intelligence makes a difference in battles.

The Heli-Carrier feat is in no way impressive, all he did was slow it's fall giving time for his teammates to come and aid him. Thats a feats a Young Colossus was able to accomplish.

Meh.

How durable is Sentry exactly? He obviously isn't invulnerable.

Sue's shields couldn't even stand up to Namor's strength, and who's to say she can create a force bubble encompassing all of Manhattan.

Meh, Ultimate Namor's power doesn't seem to derive or be base on his hydration.

Sentry 6-7/10.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sentry 6/10.

Whats your opinion on Ultimate Namor?

ill say sentry i dont think we have seen enough of ultimate namor to be fair though . . .

Originally posted by His Airness
Whats your opinion on Ultimate Namor? He is friggin badass!

The only reason he doesn't take this IMO, is because he has very limited showings.


But the showings he does have are impressive, .

Originally posted by Galan007
He is friggin badass!

The only reason he doesn't take this IMO, is because he has very limited showings.


But the showings he does have are impressive, .

Yeah I thought it would be a good fight. I don't know, but ultimate Namor has a lot of potential, but due to the amount of showings I give the majority to Sentry. I must say though, I've enjoyed being able to debate again.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yeah I thought it would be a good fight. I don't know, but ultimate Namor has a lot of potential, but due to the amount of showings I give the majority to Sentry. I agree.

Originally posted by His Airness
I must say though, I've enjoyed being able to debate again. Again?

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

Again?

It's been so long since there;s been a good thread that hasn't been polluted by fanboys, and trolls.

Originally posted by His Airness
It's been so long since there;s been a good thread that hasn't been polluted by fanboys, and trolls. ohh,

It's sad but true I'm afraid.

Originally posted by His Airness
So fights he lost without using a majority of Mjolnir's abilities should be thrown out? I call bullshit.

Call as much as you like , Thor is only portrayed reasonably intelligent in his Solo series. In most team-books he's just a guy who hit's stuff with a hammer.

Originally posted by His Airness
IMo it's obvious teleportation, either way flying or teleporting the feat is impressive. Claiming Sentry is faster is baseless, and pure speculation.

Hell no son , it's just your too stubborn. Better yet it's a case of IDLIIDH

Better yet Namor moving from one part of NY to another is obviously far superior to going from the sun and back in a matter of moments

Originally posted by Accel


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Originally posted by His Airness
Adam warlock is infamous for his tactical genius, intelligence makes a difference

Tactical genius and the ability to comprehend a language quickly are two completely different things.

Originally posted by His Airness
The Heli-Carrier feat is in no way impressive, all he did was slow it's fall giving time for his teammates to come and aid him. Thats a feats a Young Colossus was able to accomplish.

BULLSHIT

Originally posted by His Airness
How durable is Sentry exactly? He obviously isn't invulnerable.

He takes a Nuke without any trouble and flies back through earths atmosphere
Originally posted by H. S. 6
His Doctor tells Sentry that there is a thermonuclear device implanted in his stomach. Basically, if he tells him a certain word order (the secret to Sentry's origin), the device will blow. Fury activates it, and tells Sentry to get the Doc the hell away from Earth.

Sentry picks up the dock and begins to fly towards the upper atmosphere:
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/1718/sentryandthermonuke1dq8.jpg

Starts to talk to the Doctor (notice they still have time to talk):
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7804/sentryandthermonuke2ma1.jpg

Sha-blam! The thermonuclear bomb blows up, and Sentry is not even affected. That's some power:
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/8155/sentryandthermonuke3wg9.jpg

Or how about holding Wolverines adamantium claws ?

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine47010gs0.jpg

Sentry is stronger , faster and more durable.

This fight is a slaughter simply put.

This one is kind of cool too...



Sentry, containing a Cosmic Cube for a short while, ...

"The Golden Guardian struggles to contain the Cosmic Cube"

"I've got it stabilized but even I can't hold it much longer, my arms are going Numb":

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6226/s3rz5sg3.th.jpg




I still think Namor could put up a decent fight though.

Originally posted by grey fox
Call as much as you like , Thor is only portrayed reasonably intelligent in his Solo series. In most team-books he's just a guy who hit's stuff with a hammer.



Hell no son , it's just your too stubborn. Better yet it's a case of IDLIIDH

Better yet Namor moving from one part of NY to another is obviously far superior to going from the sun and back in a matter of moments






Tactical genius and the ability to comprehend a language quickly are two completely different things.



BULLSHIT



He takes a Nuke without any trouble and flies back through earths atmosphere


Or how about holding Wolverines adamantium claws ?

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine47010gs0.jpg

Sentry is stronger , faster and more durable.

This fight is a slaughter simply put.

I completely agree, however we can't simply disregard all his loses in which he didn't utilize every single attack in Mjolnirs arsenal.

I've seen it, but hey I forgot about it. Still though, travel speed does not equate to combat speed.

One part of being a tactful genius, is being intelligent. Learning the English language in a hour by simply listening to gestures and mannerisms rivals Kryptonian intellect.

Your calling bullshit but thats exactly what happened. Sentry simply failed, he wasn't strong enough.

Ok.

So holding Wolverine's claws is considered an impressive durability feat?

If Sentry is stronger, he's not much stronger, even so all we know about Namor's strength is that he's one of if not the strongest on Ultimate earth.

Travel speed faster, meh I guess but combat speed is a totally different category of speed.

Durable, I'll give him that.

Still good fight.

Originally posted by His Airness

I've seen it, but hey I forgot about it. Still though, travel speed does not equate to combat speed.

Ever hear of a Speedblitz ?

Originally posted by His Airness
Your calling bullshit but thats exactly what happened. Sentry simply failed, he wasn't strong enough.

I've already stated, Sentry has Physics going against him. He was straining to hold something that (if held incorrectly) could tear itself in half. Compare it to Superman Returns wherin Supes tries to slow the plane by holding it's wing.

Originally posted by His Airness
So holding Wolverine's claws is considered an impressive durability feat?

When their adamantium, yes.

Originally posted by His Airness
If Sentry is stronger, he's not much stronger, even so all we know about Namor's strength is that he's one of if not the strongest on Ultimate earth.

Do I see Namor hefting an 80'000 ton Helicarrier, one shotting attuma , pwning Hulk ?

No

Originally posted by His Airness
Travel speed faster, meh I guess but combat speed is a totally different category of speed.

See above

Originally posted by grey fox
Ever hear of a Speedblitz ?



I've already stated, Sentry has Physics going against him. He was straining to hold something that (if held incorrectly) could tear itself in half. Compare it to Superman Returns wherin Supes tries to slow the plane by holding it's wing.



When their adamantium, yes.



Do I see Namor hefting an 80'000 ton Helicarrier, one shotting attuma , pwning Hulk ?

No



See above

Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

Sentry beats Namor into the dirt. I like Ultimate Namor, but Sentry is league's above him.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

colossus has stopped the SHIELD carrier from a freefall? did you see the size of that thing? people thought it was impressive that hercules dragged manhattan, but when sentry briefly stops a comparably sized object in a free fall, COLOSSUS could have done it?

sentry was gripping wolverine's claws. you know, the adamantium ones.

sentry is the void. how is that faulty logic?

I know this isnt on the level and I have no proof, but I have been hearing that Sentry is going to let loose on Ultorn next issue. I guess we'll have to wait and see and if not,,,,,I need better sources.

Originally posted by manorastroman
colossus has stopped the SHIELD carrier from a freefall? did you see the size of that thing? people thought it was impressive that hercules dragged manhattan, but when sentry briefly stops a comparably sized object in a free fall, COLOSSUS could have done it?

sentry was gripping wolverine's claws. you know, the adamantium ones.

sentry is the void. how is that faulty logic?

Yes he could, he's done so.

The Heli-Carrier was know where near the size of Manhattan, and Hercules was actually able to drag the object in his feat. All Sentry did was slow it done long enough to get bailed out by Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel.

Colossus has already done so.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

Not only were they crashing, but Colossus had to work against the thrusters.

Yes I do, and I also know that I can grip a knife without injuring myself. With Sentry's durability he shouldn't have any problem holding inanimate objects.

In the same sentence your implying that Sentry can be killed by being thrown in the Sun. So much for that uber durability.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

Sentry has shown he can move at speeds near light or faster than light. Fact. Namor has not shown, however, that he can react to speeds of that level. Fact. You're trying to argue whether Namor would be able to react, though we have seen Namor caught by attacks far slower, and yet you say there's no proof that Namor couldn't react. The burden of proof is on you. And in this case, you have no proof that would suggest Namor could react to that kind of attack.

EDIT (for the Colossus feat): First of all, that isn't a helicarrier. Secondly, it's nowhere near the size of the one Sentry held up. Additionally, Colossus is on the ground. He's working with leverage. And what are you talking about working against the thrusters? The thrusters are helping him. He's trying to keep it from crashing, not flying into the sky. The feats are nowhere near comparable.

I'll leave the adamantium alone, as I'm far from an expert on it.

Void snapped all the bones in the Hulk's body (Keep in mind, Void = Sentry). Beyond that, Sentry withstood the full force of a train, thrown by the Hulk, without budging.

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4b1m/view-image/s-1.html

It isn't truly a fight, because Sentry has the ability to calm the Hulk down (which is what he does).

I still haven't seen proof that would suggest Ultimate Namor is in Sentry's league.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes he could, he's done so.

The Heli-Carrier was know where near the size of Manhattan, and Hercules was actually able to drag the object in his feat. All Sentry did was slow it done long enough to get bailed out by Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel.

Colossus has already done so.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

Not only were they crashing, but Colossus had to work against the thrusters.

Yes I do, and I also know that I can grip a knife without injuring myself. With Sentry's durability he shouldn't have any problem holding inanimate objects.

In the same sentence your implying that Sentry can be killed by being thrown in the Sun. So much for that uber durability.

as HS6 said, that's not the helicarrier, nor are they near comparable in size. the thrusters are working with him, not against him, and he had the ground as leverage.

he wasn't holding an inanimate object, he was gripping the claws of a struggling wolverine.

the void wasn't killed by being thrown into the sun; it was a symbolic psychological victory. did you even read that issue?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Sentry has shown he can move at speeds near light or faster than light. Fact. Namor has not shown, however, that he can react to speeds of that level. Fact. You're trying to argue whether Namor would be able to react, though we have seen Namor caught by attacks far slower, and yet you say there's no proof that Namor couldn't react. The burden of proof is on you. And in this case, you have no proof that would suggest Namor could react to that kind of attack.

EDIT (for the Colossus feat): First of all, that isn't a helicarrier. Secondly, it's nowhere near the size of the one Sentry held up. Additionally, Colossus is on the ground. He's working with leverage. And what are you talking about working against the thrusters? The thrusters are helping him. He's trying to keep it from crashing, not flying into the sky. The feats are nowhere near comparable.

I'll leave the adamantium alone, as I'm far from an expert on it.

Void snapped all the bones in the Hulk's body (Keep in mind, Void = Sentry). Beyond that, Sentry withstood the full force of a train, thrown by the Hulk, without budging.

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4b1m/view-image/s-1.html

It isn't truly a fight, because Sentry has the ability to calm the Hulk down (which is what he does).

I still haven't seen proof that would suggest Ultimate Namor is in Sentry's league.

Um, encase you haven't noticed, not only have we see Sentry be attacked by "slow" people, but we have yet to see any impressive combat speed feats. yes his travel speed is impressive, however travel speed in no way translates to combat speed. Before you yell speedblitz, speedbliztes require exceedingly impressive reflexes, or combat speed. The was Sentry generally fights, there should be no reason why Namor couldn't react to his speed.

Relative size.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/New%20Avengers%20Feats/Sentryship4.jpg


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?

Agreed.

I thought so.

I still have a question about Sentry's durability, if Sentry = Void. Wouldn't the sun be enough to kill Sentry of the above were true?

i prefer the view from two pages earlier, where the helicarrier is more clearly shown (though still not in its entirety). oh, and:

Originally posted by manorastroman
as HS6 said, that's not the helicarrier, nor are they near comparable in size. the thrusters are working with him, not against him, and he had the ground as leverage.

he wasn't holding an inanimate object, he was gripping the claws of a struggling wolverine.

the void wasn't killed by being thrown into the sun; it was a symbolic psychological victory. did you even read that issue?

No I didn't read the Sentry mini. It wasn't very good, instead I started heavily reading Superman.

anyways.

"While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?"

Originally posted by His Airness
instead I started heavily reading Superman.

And I started heavily reading Thor.

Wierd, huh?

Originally posted by Skeets
Wrong!
Quasar has done so years before Sentry was even thought of.

Originally posted by batdude123
And I started heavily reading Thor.

weird, huh?

Really?

That is weird.

Originally posted by His Airness
Really?

That is weird.

We're both reading the enemy's books. ermm

Originally posted by batdude123
We're both reading the enemy's books. ermm

What are you talking about, I've always loved Superman?

Originally posted by His Airness
What are you talking about, I've always loved Superman?

And I still dislike Thor. 313

Originally posted by batdude123
And I still dislike Thor. 313

I'd hate Thor as well if he'd own my favorite character. Good thing I'm a Thor fan.

Originally posted by His Airness
Um, encase you haven't noticed, not only have we see Sentry be attacked by "slow" people, but we have yet to see any impressive combat speed feats. yes his travel speed is impressive, however travel speed in no way translates to combat speed. Before you yell speedblitz, speedbliztes require exceedingly impressive reflexes, or combat speed. The was Sentry generally fights, there should be no reason why Namor couldn't react to his speed.

Relative size.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/New%20Avengers%20Feats/Sentryship4.jpg


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?

Agreed.

I thought so.

I still have a question about Sentry's durability, if Sentry = Void. Wouldn't the sun be enough to kill Sentry of the above were true?

A speedblitz would literally be Sentry hauling ass towards Namor, and flying into him at unbelievable speeds. This wouldn't require any incredibly reflexes, at least beyond what we've seen Sentry handle.

The helicarrier Sentry held was far, far bigger than that craft above Colossus. That much is clear. And the flying aspect is debatable, though I'd have to say no. When Sentry has no momentum, it's purely his muscles holding the craft up. In contrast, Colossus was able to brace himself and support the craft using his legs, arms, and the assistance of the thrusters (which make this feat void).

Yes, I've read the issue where he "fought" Wolverine. The only comic I've read with the Sentry and the Hulk is the one where the Sentry soothes the Hulk before he attacks.

Literally, Sentry obviously doesn't equal the Void (as he'd be dead right now as well ). However, what they're capable of is the same, since they are parts of the same person. The fight between Sentry and the Void can be interpreted in a number of ways. The obvious being, Sentry was able to separate his dark alter-ego from his body and throw him into the sun. In the Void's weakened state, he is not able to escape from the sun. (He hasn't been killed, as the Sentry sees him in the New Avenger's Collective arc.)

So, short answer: would the Sentry die if he were thrown into the sun? No.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
A speedblitz would literally be Sentry hauling ass towards Namor, and flying into him at unbelievable speeds. This wouldn't require any incredibly reflexes, at least beyond what we've seen Sentry handle.

The helicarrier Sentry held was far, far bigger than that craft above Colossus. That much is clear. And the flying aspect is debatable, though I'd have to say no. When Sentry has no momentum, it's purely his muscles holding the craft up. In contrast, Colossus was able to brace himself and support the craft using his legs, arms, and the assistance of the thrusters (which make this feat void).

Yes, I've read the issue where he "fought" Wolverine. The only comic I've read with the Sentry and the Hulk is the one where the Sentry soothes the Hulk before he attacks.

Literally, Sentry obviously doesn't equal the Void (as he'd be dead right now as well ). However, what they're capable of is the same, since they are parts of the same person. The fight between Sentry and the Void can be interpreted in a number of ways. The obvious being, Sentry was able to separate his dark alter-ego from his body and throw him into the sun. In the Void's weakened state, he is not able to escape from the sun. (He hasn't been killed, as the Sentry sees him in the New Avenger's Collective arc.)

So, short answer: would the Sentry die if he were thrown into the sun? No.

A speedblitz actually throw punches. If Sentry's combat speed can't match his travel speed than he will be unable to Blitz.

Meh, I though the sizes of the ships were comparable.

I've heard some arguments around the forum claiming flying makes the feats easier, I'm not sure, I'll leave it alone.

I was talking about the Secret wars issue in which the Colossus feat took place.

Ok.

Originally posted by His Airness
A speedblitz actually throw punches. If Sentry's combat speed can't match his travel speed than he will be unable to Blitz.

Meh, I though the sizes of the ships were comparable.

I've heard some arguments around the forum claiming flying makes the feats easier, I'm not sure, I'll leave it alone.

I was talking about the Secret wars issue in which the Colossus feat took place.

Ok.

A speedblitz doesn't have to be punches thrown. A "speedblitz" isn't some sort of official or scientific term. It means an attack that occurs before the other person can react. If say, I was very fast, and my brother was very slow. If I could lunge and tackle him before he could react to defend himself, I would have "speedblitzed" him, no punches involved.

The ships are nowhere near comparable. Check these two panels:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/HELI1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

That's simply no contest.

Yes, I've read the entire Secret Wars series.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
A speedblitz doesn't have to be punches thrown. A "speedblitz" isn't some sort of official or scientific term. It means an attack that occurs before the other person can react. If say, I was very fast, and my brother was very slow. If I could lunge and tackle him before he could react to defend himself, I would have "speedblitzed" him, no punches involved.

The ships are nowhere near comparable. Check these two panels:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/HELI1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

That's simply no contest.

Yes, I've read the entire Secret Wars series.

You can't speedblitz without actually punching or attacking your target. If it didn't, what would be the use for you rushing them?

Also, those are two different angles. If Colossus would have caught his ship in the same manner it to would look bigger.

Originally posted by His Airness
You can't speedblitz without actually punching or attacking your target. If it didn't, what would be the use for you rushing them?

Also, those are two different angles. If Colossus would have caught his ship in the same manner it to would look bigger.

If Sentry rammed into Namor at near light speeds, you better believe he's going to get hurt.

In the other angle the difference seems even larger. Notice that the left side of the ship goes off panel. In the Colossus one, the whole ship is in view. Beyond that, Sentry and Colossus are drawn around the same size in their respective panels (in the two you posted), so we can safely assume we're seeing the action from an equal distant away in both.

EDIT: And I don't know why we're still debating this, considering it's pretty much a moot feat anyway (what with the thrusters).