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Gods versus Cosmic Protectors

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SS and the GL win.

Current versions?

Originally posted by Mindset
Current versions? umm...just their regular versions

ie. no Odinforce for Thor

SS and Kyle win this then.

Their speed and versatility will overcome Thor and WW strength, and Thor doesn't use his exotic powers that often.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
umm...just their regular versions

ie. no Odinforce for Thor

hmmm....regular version of thor has the odinforce nowadays...you probably mean classic thor.

Without the odinforce for Thor, team two wins.

bumprav

Originally posted by Starscream M
Gods versus Cosmic Protectors

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versus

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Originally posted by Mindset
SS and Kyle win this then.

Their speed and versatility will overcome Thor and WW strength, and Thor doesn't use his exotic powers that often. I'm a genius.

I say split. Thor has performed better in his fights with Silver Surfer. I think Wonder Woman is good enough to take it to Kyle.

Split 5/10.

Team 2, Wonder Woman is the weak link.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I say split. Thor has performed better in his fights with Silver Surfer. I think Wonder Woman is good enough to take it to Kyle.

Split 5/10.

I think I agree with this.

I disagree, Wonder Woman would get beaten by Kyle with a solid majority.

Originally posted by Priest
Team 2, Wonder Woman is the weak link.

Kyle is actually the weak Link. Surfer just happens to be the stronger link. At least in my mind.

Thor takes Surfer
Kyle takes WW.
Thor takes Kyle.
Team 1 wins.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Kyle is actually the weak Link. Surfer just happens to be the stronger link. At least in my mind. Kyle is not the weak link.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Kyle is actually the weak Link.
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Originally posted by Mindset
Kyle is not the weak link.
what the hell has he done lately but look a complete fool. He was retarded in countdown the search for ray palmer. he hasn't done jack note worthy in the corps book either. this is current kyle we are talking about right?

Explain to me how he has looked like a 'complete fool'.

Originally posted by Mindset
Explain to me how he has looked like a 'complete fool'.
He was terrible in countdown. donna and jason todd looked better than kyle. And what has he done in the corps books but look like a part of the standard team? he hasn't outshined any other corps member. hell, he's gotten his ass kicked alone with everyone else.

Surfer and Rayner win.

So basically you're going off your preference and one storyline?

Originally posted by Mindset
So basically you're going off your preference and one storyline? This surprises you?

Originally posted by Mindset
So basically you're going off your preference and one storyline?
No I'm going off of recent showings.
Recently Wondy, has stood up breifly to Amazo. Even knocked him off of his feat and thru floors and floors of the leagues base.
Recently Wondy was shown trading blows with konvict who had handed the league thier asses and even briefly put Superman down.
Recently she's been shown beating a GL and then letting him pummel her just to make a point.
She beat a high level demon by using her lasso in ways we haven't seen.
Kyle recently has just been terrible since the reintroduction of hal jordan.

So please don't tell me what the hell I'm going off of. Ask me.

I did ask you, and what you were going off of was your dislike for him in countdown (preference), and his showings in SC (one storyline).

Kyle has been terrible since Hal's return, how so?

He just lost his Ion power in SC. He hasn't had that much of a chance to do anything since then.

Originally posted by Mindset
I did ask you, and what you were going off of was your dislike for him in countdown (preference), and his showings in SC (one storyline).
who says I'm talking about SC? I'm talking about kyle recently in the GL corps. do you read it? He's done nothing special. He doesn't stand out. he go this ass kicked same as every other GL. the only one who stood out was sodam yat, and that was becuz he punched mongul and drew blood. And don't get it twisted, Kyle was my favorite far beyond Hal. I hated hal jordan. And I loved kyle. he was so much better at the GL ring thing. But it seems dc is moving him into obscurity as they shine the light on hal and guy and john.

Originally posted by fangirl101
who says I'm talking about SC? I'm talking about kyle recently in the GL corps. do you read it? He's done nothing special. He doesn't stand out. he go this ass kicked same as every other GL. the only one who stood out was sodam yat, and that was becuz he punched mongul and drew blood. Mongul was giving it to multiple GL's (Kyle and Guy included) and Ion.

So Kyle was supposed to beat Mongul on his own when no one else could?

Yat should have stood out, he is a Daxamite with Ion power...he still did nothing.

How is that proof of anything, maybe if WW flew in and one shotted Mongul you would have a point.

Kyle failed to beat a powered up Mongul. Surely that means he can't beat Wonder Woman.

Wonderful logic.

WW can take the whole GLC, she'll lasso the power battery and destroy it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Mongul was giving it to multiple GL's (Kyle and Guy) and Ion.

So Kyle was supposed to beat Mongul on his own when no one else could?

Yat should have stood out, he is a Daxamite with Ion power...he still did nothing.

How is that proof of anything, maybe if WW flew in and one shotted Mongul you would have a point.
Since kyle was the best GL ever along with hal jordan, you'd think he'd have a better showing than the others. He didn't. he didn't stand out. he hasn't stood out. he didn't do anything spectacular in countdown. It be better if you examined the big picure. Wondy is doing better in recent events than kyle is. She manages to shine even around people like her while kyle is not. Peace.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Kyle failed to beat a powered up Mongul. Surely that means he can't beat Wonder Woman.

Wonderful logic.
Is that your logic? because that surely isn't what I said. Your comprehension skills are just awesome. So awesome that you read something that i didn't say.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Is that your logic? because that surely isn't what I said. Your comprehension skills are just awesome. So awesome that you read something that i didn't say.
Actually, I just called your post(s) stupid. If you had comprehension skills, you would have recognized that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Since kyle was the best GL ever along with hal jordan, you'd think he'd have a better showing than the others. He didn't. he didn't stand out. he hasn't stood out. he didn't do anything spectacular in countdown. It be better if you examined the big picure. Wondy is doing better in recent events than kyle is. She manages to shine even around people like her while kyle is not. Peace.

So taking Kyle's feats over a one year period and ignoring all his other ones is examining the big picture?


And Yat should still do better than Kyle, he barely did.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Actually, I just called your post(s) stupid. If you had comprehension skills, you would have recognized that.
Actually if I valued your opinion, then it would matter. but since you dont' debate much from what I've seen, just insult, and being a jerk, then why would I value your opinion much? comprehend that? next time before you tell me what you are calling stupid, make sure I respect your opinion. Then you won't waste your time.

Originally posted by Mindset
So taking Kyle's feats over a one year period and ignoring all his other ones is examining the big picture?


And Yat should still do better than Kyle, he barely did.
Actually, kyle states himself that he could have defeated nero, the same as yat, but he didn't so yat could have some confidence. I'm not ignoring all of kyles feats. DC is. Or didn't you get that from what I posted earlier?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Actually if I valued your opinion, then it would matter. but since you dont' debate much from what I've seen, just insult, and being a jerk, then why would I value your opinion much? comprehend that? next time before you tell me what you are calling stupid, make sure I respect your opinion. Then you won't waste your time.
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Originally posted by fangirl101
Actually, kyle states himself that he could have defeated nero, the same as yat, but he didn't so yat could have some confidence. I'm not ignoring all of kyles feats. DC is. Or didn't you get that from what I posted earlier? What does Nero have to do with anything?

Of course Kyle can beat him, he has before, what was the point of bringing that up?

You are using less than a year of Kyle's showings, and nothing else.

Originally posted by Mindset
What does Nero have to do with anything?

Of course Kyle can beat him, he has before, what was the point of bringing that up?

You are using less than a year of Kyle's showings, and nothing else.
Yes. As I am using less than a year of wonder woman's and thors. I'm using recent showings as all of the characters have gone thru some upgrades or in kyle's case, a down grade.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yes. As I am using less than a year of wonder woman's and thors. I'm using recent showings as all of the characters have gone thru some upgrades or in kyle's case, a down grade. So because no GL within the past year has done anything impressive they are all below people who have?

Surfer and Kyle win. Either of them beat either of their opponents.

Originally posted by fangirl101
what the hell has he done lately but look a complete fool. He was retarded in countdown the search for ray palmer. he hasn't done jack note worthy in the corps book either. this is current kyle we are talking about right?

Any poor soul who has actually read Countdown would agree with this. But considering Green Lantern Corps, he hasn't had the chance to really shine yet. As it stands, he's still as good as Guy Gardner and neither of them appear to be jobbing. Whereas, on the other hand, Wonder Woman has been consistently doing impressive stuff lately.

And Thor thoroughly trounced Silver Surfer. And then he thoroughly trounced him and Adam Warlock at the same time. In my humble opinion though, the obvious synergy between SS and Kyle pitted against the fighting experience of Thor/WW helps to even out everything.

Split 5/10.

In Countdown he didn't do anything, no one that I can recall did.

Just because Kyle didn't do anything impressive in countdown dosen't mean that we must ignore everything he has done before the arc..

Does Wonder Woman need to breath?

Originally posted by Priest
Just because Kyle didn't do anything impressive in countdown dosen't mean that we must ignore everything he has done before the arc..

Does Wonder Woman need to breath?
No. He was just really terrible in countdown. i was like I know i'm not watching DC just ruin one of my favorite characters.

Well it could be that Countdown sucked.

Originally posted by Mindset
In Countdown he didn't do anything, no one that I can recall did. He did do something. He got his ass kicked by Mary Marvel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He did do something. He got his ass kicked by Mary Marvel. You say that as if it were regular Mary Marvel, not one with BA power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. He was just really terrible in countdown. i was like I know i'm not watching DC just ruin one of my favorite characters.

So we have to ignore the last bazillion years of Kyle Rayner showings in this thread all of a sudden?

And can Wonder Woman breath without O2?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He did do something. He got his ass kicked by Mary Marvel. But we arent basing it off current showings alone.

Originally posted by Priest

So we have to ignore the last bazillion years of Kyle Rayner showings in this thread all of a sudden?

And can Wonder Woman breath without O2?
She can fight for prolonged periods of time without O2. This much we know. the sacrifice. jla volume 2 issue 4. And other instances. And kyle is like any other lantern now. his uber stuff, he had an amped ring, and then he had the starheart's power as well.

Originally posted by Mindset
You say that as if it were regular Mary Marvel, not one with BA power. Wonder Woman would not get thrashed like Kyle did. Frankly, I don't see Kyle's recent performances as contrary to his vast history. He's not an amazing fighter. I cringed when I saw him getting thrown around like a ragdoll, but it's not necessarily a low feat that contradicts his career. Most of his top feats come from the unconscious amp from the Ion power. And whether you think it's an absolute low feat, what has Kyle done since giving up his classic Ion powers, which is years ago, that puts him well over Wonder Woman as she has been consistently portrayed since Identity Crisis?

Good fap worthy diana pic by the way, im surprised nvr was able to pull away from himself long enough to post.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Good fap worthy diana pic by the way, im surprised nvr was able to pull away from himself long enough to post.

Hmmm.... I thought Fangirl posted her pics a couple months ago... why would you say that she is Nvr?

Originally posted by fangirl101
No I'm going off of recent showings.
Recently Wondy, has stood up breifly to Amazo. Even knocked him off of his feat and thru floors and floors of the leagues base.
Recently Wondy was shown trading blows with konvict who had handed the league thier asses and even briefly put Superman down.
Recently she's been shown beating a GL and then letting him pummel her just to make a point.
She beat a high level demon by using her lasso in ways we haven't seen.
Kyle recently has just been terrible since the reintroduction of Hal jordan.

So please don't tell me what the hell I'm going off of. Ask me.

I agree on most of your points. Based on what Diana has accomplished, shes had an upgrade. But so have many Dc heroes and villains as well. We haven't seen kyle do anything special because of Hal, john and sodam. but once blackest night begins, we can expect a lot from him. his portrayal in countdown was poorly written imo

anyways based on what diana has accomplished, she a formidable match for kyle. she did farely good against sinestro. but anyways, it's either a stalemate or kyle and norrin for the win.

Originally posted by Priest

So we have to ignore the last bazillion years of Kyle Rayner showings in this thread all of a sudden?

And can Wonder Woman breath without O2?

She either doesn't need to breathe or can go for a loooooooong time without it. Given the number of times she's pulled the Earth or the moon from outside the atmosphere, straining every muscle to do so (which would normally require breathing), she's never shown any need to breathe.

Cosmic defenders win. Mainly because Current SS can take wonderwoman out really quickly making it two on one versus thor.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Hmmm.... I thought Fangirl posted her pics a couple months ago... why would you say that she is Nvr?

He posted pics, had no idea.

Anyhow team 2 7/10, Thor cant handle kyle and SS at the sametime.

T2 ftw