Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

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Sundipped
Thanos was getting his ass kicked by both but who'll win this battle. IN ASGARD!

Sirius77
Definitely Odin.

Sundipped
I say Tyrant. Thanos ran from Tyrant (with orb powerup) but still wanted to fight an angry Odin. If u asked Thanos his choice of who to fight I bet he'll say Odin. wink

starlock
Originally posted by Sundipped
I say Tyrant. Thanos ran from Tyrant (with orb powerup) but still wanted to fight an angry Odin. If u asked Thanos his choice of who to fight I bet he'll say Odin. wink

I can see that, but what about the fact Thanos was able to get his hands on tyrant and throw down with him....he never did that to odin?

llagrok
Another meaningful post by Sundipped.

Odin has better feats, he'll win.

celestialdemon
Odin wins

Sundipped
Originally posted by llagrok
Another meaningful post by Sundipped.

Odin has better feats, he'll win.

Thanks!
The UN prevented Tyrant from accumulating any more feats. It would've erased Odin too. Too bad he never came in contact with it and became another victim.

Sundipped
Originally posted by starlock
I can see that, but what about the fact Thanos was able to get his hands on tyrant and throw down with him....he never did that to odin?

All the shots Thanos got were attributed to the power orb. What if he didn't have it at all? What if he had the orb vs. Odin? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Phantom Zone
Speedblitz FTW....oops wrong thread.

llagrok
Originally posted by Sundipped
Thanks!
The UN prevented Tyrant from accumulating any more feats. It would've erased Odin too. Too bad he never came in contact with it and became another victim.

So based on him being dead, we're supposed to assume he's on par with someone's feats that his does not match up.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Speedblitz FTW....oops wrong thread.

Quick slant/draw play>>>Speedblitz laughing out loud
That's if ur familiar with football.

Sundipped
Originally posted by llagrok
So based on him being dead, we're supposed to assume he's on par with someone's feats that his does not match up.

Let me ask a question. If he's not on par with Odin, then how much above Tyrant is he? He is definetely not near Galan's level who is a primal foe of Tyrant.

Nihilist
tyrant

quanchi112
Originally posted by llagrok
Another meaningful post by Sundipped.

Odin has better feats, he'll win. Odin never had Galactus beat. Tyrant for the win.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Sirius77
Definitely Odin. Tyrant is more powerful than Odin by a decent margin.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin never had Galactus beat. Tyrant for the win.

Tyrant never beat Galactus, either.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant never beat Galactus, either. Morg saved his ass. Tyrant was whipping his ass. Odin never had Galactus on the ropes or ever beat anyone comparable to big G.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Morg saved his ass. Tyrant was whipping his ass. Odin never had Galactus on the ropes or ever beat anyone comparable to big G.

So Odin was whipping Thanos' ass, too before Beta Ray Bill interrupted, right? Because Thanos was on all fours, and Odin allowed him the time to rest.

Silent Master
Tyrant was able to absorb blasts form Galactus and from what I hear, Galactus was also rather weak during the fight.

lannfear
Odin ftw......
eek!

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
So Odin was whipping Thanos' ass, too before Beta Ray Bill interrupted, right? Because Thanos was on all fours, and Odin allowed him the time to rest. Odin prematurely thought Thanos defeated. Thanos was ready for more and would not have yielded. Again Thanos took a lot more from Odin than compared to Tyrant.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Tyrant was able to absorb blasts form Galactus and from what I hear, Galactus was also rather weak during the fight. You heard wrong. Galactus was fed off a planet before this conflict to prepare for it. It didnt help him.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin prematurely thought Thanos defeated. Thanos was ready for more and would not have yielded. Again Thanos took a lot more from Odin than compared to Tyrant.

Galactus didn't yield to Tyrant, either. We don't know for sure what would have happened had the fight continued. Yet, you don't hesitate to award Tyrant the winner but not Odin.

Knowsbleed33
Odin takes this. He has some on panel feats that Galactus wishes he had.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Galactus didn't yield to Tyrant, either. We don't know for sure what would have happened had the fight continued. Yet, you don't hesitate to award Tyrant the winner but not Odin. Galactus had help and was losing. Thats a fact.

Thanos was losing but wasnt defeated. No one helped Thanos defeat Odin but Morg certainly used the un.

Silent Master
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus had help and was losing. Thats a fact.

Thanos was losing but wasnt defeated. No one helped Thanos defeat Odin but Morg certainly used the un.

Thanos never beat Odin.

the Darkone
Odin is more powerful than people realize, have Tyrant cause shock waves through the multi-verse? If they fight in Asgard Tyrant would get raped. Odin can call upon some serious powers in Asgard and outside of Asgard,when Odin pulls his spear out Tyrant is in for some serious trouble. Odin 7/10

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thanos never beat Odin. Yes Odin wasnt defeated. My whole point was their fight wasnt finished and neither was Tyrants and Galactus. The only reason Tyrant lost was because of interference whereas Odin stopped assaulting Thanos on his own.

quanchi112
Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin is more powerful than people realize, have Tyrant cause shock waves through the multi-verse? If they fight in Asgard Tyrant would get raped. Odin can call upon some serious powers in Asgard and outside of Asgard,when Odin pulls his spear out Tyrant is in for some serious trouble. Odin 7/10 Odin is powerful but Tyrant is near Galactus level and he wins.

Silent Master
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Odin wasnt defeated. My whole point was their fight wasnt finished and neither was Tyrants and Galactus. The only reason Tyrant lost was because of interference whereas Odin stopped assaulting Thanos on his own.

And yet you said
A statement that implies that Thanos beat Odin without help.

BTW, you still haven't posted scans of the Tyrant vs Galactus fight.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
And yet you said
A statement that implies that Thanos beat Odin without help.

BTW, you still haven't posted scans of the Tyrant vs Galactus fight. I told you about it. I have posted it so many times i am not looking over my 1000 plus scans to find it. Its only a few pages anyways.


I didnt imply anything of the sort.

the Darkone
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin is powerful but Tyrant is near Galactus level and he wins.

A full powered is close but not close enough, depowered as metion in the thread title is a skyfather level at best. A full powered Tyrant got "One Shot" by eye beams from Galactus.


Tyrant (Depowered) is pretty damn close too Odin, but Odin has the feats and the arsenal to beat Tyrant, Odin is a beast and has the feats too prove it.

quanchi112
Originally posted by the Darkone
A full powered is close but not close enough, depowered as metion in the thread title is a skyfather level at best. A full powered Tyrant got "One Shot" by eye beams from Galactus.


Tyrant (Depowered) is pretty damn close too Odin, but Odin has the feats and the arsenal to beat Tyrant, Odin is a beast and has the feats too prove it. He wasnt oneshotted. To oneshot someone you dont destroy galaxies. Galactus would have beaten him when he had Morg if it were that easy. wink

Galactus prepped for this fight and got his ass kicked in the rematch.

Silent Master
Yes you did, let me repost your exact statement again



Let me guess, you don't want to post the scan because they'll show you haven't given us the whole story or are exaggerating..

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes you did, let me repost your exact statement again



Let me guess, you don't want to post the scan because they'll show you haven't given us the whole story or are exaggerating.. I posted it many times. Gimme a second. You try my patience and actually claimed earlier that Galactus was starving when he was well fed as I proved.

Silent Master
Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted it many times. Gimme a second. You try my patience and actually claimed earlier that Galactus was starving when he was well fed as I proved.

I claimed Galactus was starving?

Seeing as I've already corrected you on this once, You now have two choices, either quote where I made the claim or admit to being a liar.

I will not continue debating with you until you do one of the other.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
I claimed Galactus was starving?

Seeing as I've already corrected you on this once, You now have two choices, either quote where I made the claim or admit to being a liar.

I will not continue debating with you until you do one of the other. You continued debating with me about a story you knew little to nothing about. I corrected your incorrect assumptions with scans because its obvious you didnt read the story.

Silent Master
I'm waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar. Again I proved my point. You kept prodding for answers as you were totally ignorant about this comic. Its cool I posted it all for you.

Silent Master
I'm still waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Silent Master
Tyrant was able to absorb blasts form Galactus and from what I hear, Galactus was also rather weak during the fight.

Galactus had fed right before the confrontation. He know he had to.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Odin takes this. He has some on panel feats that Galactus wishes he had.

What's the big deal about feats? Tyrant and Galactus destroyed galaxies in the first fight which Tyrant lost. Tyrant was slicing Galactus up in the second fight and was about to win. Had that been Odin instead of Tyrant in the second fight, Odin would have been 1-shotted.

Sundipped
Originally posted by the Darkone
A full powered is close but not close enough, depowered as metion in the thread title is a skyfather level at best. A full powered Tyrant got "One Shot" by eye beams from Galactus.


huh Tyrant was never 1 shotted. Where did u get that from?

Xplosive
Tyrant

Alucard25
Odin

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm still waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar. Again Tyrant had Galactus almost beat and the only reason he wasnt beat was because of Morg's interference.

Silent Master
I'm still waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm still waiting for you to either post where I made the claim or admit to being a liar. You contined to argue with me while prodding for information. I provided it and showed that Galactus was extremely well fed for this fight.

Silent Master
You have on multiple occasions accused me on making a claim regarding Galactus' condition, either quote where I did so or admit to being a liar.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
You have on multiple occasions accused me on making a claim regarding Galactus' condition, either quote where I did so or admit to being a liar. I just said you were feeling for info when you obviously hadnt read the story. I provided the scans for you now let it be. The facts are out there and let people decide for themselves. Quit responding with nothing to do with the argument here.

Silent Master
Incorrect, you accused me of making a claim regarding Galactus' condition, either quote where I did so or admit to being a liar.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, you accused me of making a claim regarding Galactus' condition, either quote where I did so or admit to being a liar. Ok I will ask you again please quit trolling me. Send me a pm but dont clog up this thread with the same response over and over again.

Silent Master
I'm not trolling, you lied about what I said and I'm merely trying to get you to admit it, you are under no obligation to respond to me, especially as I made it clear that I'm not going to move on until you either quote where I made the claim or admit to lying

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes you did, let me repost your exact statement again



Let me guess, you don't want to post the scan because they'll show you haven't given us the whole story or are exaggerating.. I never exaggerated and backed up my claims for the last time.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus had help and was losing. Thats a fact.

True. Morg interfered in the battle, but the battle wasn't finished. Same thing with Odin and Thanos. The only difference is Odin gave Thanos the chance to give up, which gave Thanos the time to get up. Thanos still looked in far worse shape than Galactus' scratch on the nose did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was losing but wasnt defeated. No one helped Thanos defeat Odin but Morg certainly used the un.

If Galactus was about to lose, why did SS not sense Galactus' fear until AFTER Morg showed up brandishing the UN?

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
True. Morg interfered in the battle, but the battle wasn't finished. Same thing with Odin and Thanos. The only difference is Odin gave Thanos the chance to give up, which gave Thanos the time to get up. Thanos still looked in far worse shape than Galactus' scratch on the nose did.



If Galactus was about to lose, why did SS not sense Galactus' fear until AFTER Morg showed up brandishing the UN? He sensed his distree and pain. Galactus felt much pain from Tyrant and even the Surfer tried getting there before they destroyed each other. He wasnt going there to save Tyrant from Galactus but acted as if they were equals. Tyrant had him on the ropes which was the whole reason Morg showed up anyways because he doubted his master and knew he needed help.

Thanos was singed. He wasnt bleeding at all and didnt scream out in agony like Galactus did.

Silent Master

quanchi112

Utrigita
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus had help and was losing. Thats a fact.

Thanos was losing but wasnt defeated. No one helped Thanos defeat Odin but Morg certainly used the un.

First of Galactus didn't had help in his encounter with Tyrant before Morg Arrived, so you mentioning of him losing with help is incorrect, so it's not fact.

He was losing in both scenarious in none was he defeated, he was down in both. Expect that Thanos didn't defeat Odin, at the very best one would say a Stalemate.

Ouallada
Odin should take this.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Utrigita
First of Galactus didn't had help in his encounter with Tyrant before Morg Arrived, so you mentioning of him losing with help is incorrect, so it's not fact.

He was losing in both scenarious in none was he defeated, he was down in both. Expect that Thanos didn't defeat Odin, at the very best one would say a Stalemate. He was losing fact.

Odin quit on his own and Thanos was fine which means stalemate. tyrant quit because Morg used the un and interfered as he wouldnt have stopped on his own.

Silent Master
Not going to debate this, but a one sided beat down is hardly the same as a stalemate.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
He sensed his distree and pain. Galactus felt much pain from Tyrant and even the Surfer tried getting there before they destroyed each other. He wasnt going there to save Tyrant from Galactus but acted as if they were equals. Tyrant had him on the ropes which was the whole reason Morg showed up anyways because he doubted his master and knew he needed help.

Much pain? Besides having his energy drain, all he did was let out one yell from a cut on the nose. Tyrant screamed more than that when Galactus blasted him. SS wasn't trying to get there to save them from each other. SS sensed Galactus' fear after Morg showed up with the UN. That's what Galactus was afraid of, not Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was singed. He wasnt bleeding at all and didnt scream out in agony like Galactus did.

If you think blood coming from a nose is worse than struggling just to get on your feet, then you must have never watched a boxing match.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was losing fact.

Odin quit on his own and Thanos was fine which means stalemate. tyrant quit because Morg used the un and interfered as he wouldnt have stopped on his own.

Odin didn't quit on his own. He quit because Beta Ray Bill and Sif interfered. That doesn't mean stalemate. A stalemate is when both sides are of equal force. That battle was very much one-sided.

Silent Master
Originally posted by celestialdemon
A stalemate is when both sides are of equal force. That battle was very much one-sided.

Agreed.

Xplosive
I wouldn't say it was stalemate Odin Vs. Thanos, because it was clearly seen Odin was more powerful.
I would chose DP Tyrant against Odin. DP Tyrant was also more impressive against those six powerful being than Odin against Thanos.
And Thanos when faced DP Tyrant was more powerful when facing Odin and still actually pretty much ran and didn't continue the battle, while against Odin he didn't want to give up.
He was getting the better against Galactus in their 2nd bout.
Galactus knows Tyrant is no joke in any form. It was like he was treating him as equal. And seeing their both confrontation, you would know why he sees Tyrant that way.

And Marvel needs to bring Tyrant back and to bring him back in full power.

Ouallada
It isn't fair to simply say that Tyrant takes it because he did better against Thanos (arguable). A counter-argument would be that Tyrant failed to one-shot SS, while we all know what Odin did to SS.

llagrok
And Tyrant was hurt by Ganymede....

Utrigita
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was losing fact.

Odin quit on his own and Thanos was fine which means stalemate. tyrant quit because Morg used the un and interfered as he wouldnt have stopped on his own.

He didn't had help fact in his confrontation with tyrant, hence you statement partially incorrect. And the Moment Galactus was losing was the moment he hooked Tyrant to the Machine.

When did Odin quit from his battle with Thanos? What I find fun about that incident is that Tyrant with his great command over Technopathy couldn't dissemple the UN but Galactus could have done it safely had he had more energy that's however just a observation.

starlock
Originally posted by Xplosive
I wouldn't say it was stalemate Odin Vs. Thanos, because it was clearly seen Odin was more powerful.
I would chose DP Tyrant against Odin. DP Tyrant was also more impressive against those six powerful being than Odin against Thanos.
And Thanos when faced DP Tyrant was more powerful when facing Odin and still actually pretty much ran and didn't continue the battle, while against Odin he didn't want to give up.
He was getting the better against Galactus in their 2nd bout.
Galactus knows Tyrant is no joke in any form. It was like he was treating him as equal. And seeing their both confrontation, you would know why he sees Tyrant that way.

And Marvel needs to bring Tyrant back and to bring him back in full power.

I am hoping the big evil(event?) warlock sensed in GOTG is tyrant!

When i first got the reveal it was ultron behind the latest cosmic muckety muck, i thought....why not tyrant......but i agree....BRING TYRANT BACK!

Sundipped
Originally posted by Ouallada
It isn't fair to simply say that Tyrant takes it because he did better against Thanos (arguable). A counter-argument would be that Tyrant failed to one-shot SS, while we all know what Odin did to SS.

Surfer was bloodlusted vs. Tyrant. His attack on Odin was lazy and lacked effort. He could've continued attacking but Odin is one of the good guys.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
Surfer was bloodlusted vs. Tyrant. His attack on Odin was lazy and lacked effort. He could've continued attacking but Odin is one of the good guys.

Dripping with lies.

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Dripping with lies.

Did u see the look on Surfers face when the heroes entered Tyrant's ship? He swore Tyrant was going down. He tried his best. This was not the case when the watch entered Asgard. Surfer made a horrible attempt at Odin then let Thanos take over.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
Did u see the look on Surfers face when the heroes entered Tyrant's ship? He swore Tyrant was going down. He tried his best. This was not the case when the watch entered Asgard. Surfer made a horrible attempt at Odin then let Thanos take over.

Yes, and did you see that weak first attack he threw at Tyrant. He gradually made his attacks more and more powerful the longer the battle went. Against Odin, Surfer shot Odin twice (once at the same time as Thanos), and then Odin knocked him out of the battle.

llagrok
Originally posted by Sundipped
Surfer was bloodlusted vs. Tyrant. His attack on Odin was lazy and lacked effort. He could've continued attacking but Odin is one of the good guys.

Speculation.

Norrin wasn't bloodlusted either....

Sundipped
Originally posted by llagrok
Speculation.

Norrin wasn't bloodlusted either....

Damn. If not in this case was he ever?
Surfer quote"Only one of us will stand when this day is done".
Against someone who he knows (but won't admit it) is far stronger than him, how can he not be going all out?

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, and did you see that weak first attack he threw at Tyrant. He gradually made his attacks more and more powerful the longer the battle went. Against Odin, Surfer shot Odin twice (once at the same time as Thanos), and then Odin knocked him out of the battle.

Who are u talking about? Surfer? His first attack hit Tyrant dead in the face with no effect. None of Surfer's attacks had any effect. Tyrant's cosmic vision dropped Surfer after he was done toying with the heroes.

llagrok
Big talk, Surfer doesn't kill.

Sundipped
Originally posted by llagrok
Big talk, Surfer doesn't kill.

He didn't say kill.

Ruin
Odin.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
Who are u talking about? Surfer? His first attack hit Tyrant dead in the face with no effect. None of Surfer's attacks had any effect. Tyrant's cosmic vision dropped Surfer after he was done toying with the heroes.

You claim he was bloodlusted against Tyrant from the start, but his first attack didn't look like he was going all out at all. So your point fails.

Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Dripping with lies.

Well, he was bloodlusted against DP Tyrant, because he said he gave everything he had and wanted to put DP Tyrant down, but he was far from that. Against Odin he wasn't. Anyway, even if he was, he would lose, but he wasn't.

But neither Odin nor DP Tyrant went all out against Thanos nor did Tyrant go all out against SS and others.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
Well, he was bloodlusted against DP Tyrant, because he said he gave everything he had and wanted to put DP Tyrant down, but he was far from that. Against Odin he wasn't. Anyway, even if he was, he would lose, but he wasn't.


Unlikely since we've seen him output a lot more power than he did against Tyrant or Odin.

llagrok
Norrin didn't have any time to output anything other than a blast against Odin. Going all out or not apparently doesn't help his durability much, so what does it matter if he's bloodlusted or not? It's a one-shot.

Xplosive
Originally posted by llagrok
Norrin didn't have any time to output anything other than a blast against Odin. Going all out or not apparently doesn't help his durability much, so what does it matter if he's bloodlusted or not? It's a one-shot.

Well, you are right.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Odin didn't quit on his own. He quit because Beta Ray Bill and Sif interfered. That doesn't mean stalemate. A stalemate is when both sides are of equal force. That battle was very much one-sided. Odin was winning but hadnt won. Thanos wasnt bleeding or anything. He was fine. Odin stopped attacking and Thanos didnt yield.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin was winning but hadnt won. Thanos wasnt bleeding or anything. He was fine. Odin stopped attacking and Thanos didnt yield.

Thanos wasn't fine. He was struggling to get up. That's a lot worse than just bleeding.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Much pain? Besides having his energy drain, all he did was let out one yell from a cut on the nose. Tyrant screamed more than that when Galactus blasted him. SS wasn't trying to get there to save them from each other. SS sensed Galactus' fear after Morg showed up with the UN. That's what Galactus was afraid of, not Tyrant.



If you think blood coming from a nose is worse than struggling just to get on your feet, then you must have never watched a boxing match. Tyrant toppled Galactus and had him off his feet. Galactus was well fed which I proved. Odin could never beat down Galactus like Tyrant did here. The guy had as much effect on the celestials as a fart in the wind. He was also amped and was still a joke.


He said he was there to keep them from destroying each other.

The scan proving what I said.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3109p06-1.jpg

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos wasn't fine. He was struggling to get up. That's a lot worse than just bleeding. He got up and was fine and needed no attention. The guy still had his short on. Again Thanos bleeds and he wasnt bleeding at all here.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Utrigita
He didn't had help fact in his confrontation with tyrant, hence you statement partially incorrect. And the Moment Galactus was losing was the moment he hooked Tyrant to the Machine.

When did Odin quit from his battle with Thanos? What I find fun about that incident is that Tyrant with his great command over Technopathy couldn't dissemple the UN but Galactus could have done it safely had he had more energy that's however just a observation. He didnt want to fight Thanos soon as he realized why he was there in the first place.

Galactus was desperate to use the tech and it was after Tyrant absorbed his energy.

quanchi112
Originally posted by llagrok
And Tyrant was hurt by Ganymede.... Galactus was getting pounded by Tyrant. No one except for the un and Galactus defeated Tyrant.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant toppled Galactus and had him off his feet. Galactus was well fed which I proved. Odin could never beat down Galactus like Tyrant did here. The guy had as much effect on the celestials as a fart in the wind. He was also amped and was still a joke.


He said he was there to keep them from destroying each other.

The scan proving what I said.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/SilverSurferv3109p06-1.jpg

And this scan is AFTER Morg shows up with the UN.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And this scan is AFTER Morg shows up with the UN. What does that have to do with his statement about keeping Tyrant from destroying Galactus. Thats what I said and thats plain as day on here said by the Surfer. Plain as day. What?

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
He got up and was fine and needed no attention. The guy still had his short on. Again Thanos bleeds and he wasnt bleeding at all here.

He also didn't need any attention after the Tyrant fight. In fact, he was smiling afterwards. Again bleeding doesn't necessarily mean anything, unless you think the Ovin mercenary that cut Thanos did more damage than Tyrant or Odin did.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does that have to do with his statement about keeping Tyrant from destroying Galactus. Thats what I said and thats plain as day on here said by the Surfer. Plain as day. What?

He said they were going to destroy each other, which is what you said earlier. However, Galactus wasn't at all afraid of Tyrant, even when he "lost". Why would Galactus not be afraid if he thought he was about to die?

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
He also didn't need any attention after the Tyrant fight. In fact, he was smiling afterwards. Again bleeding doesn't necessarily mean anything, unless you think the Ovin mercenary that cut Thanos did more damage than Tyrant or Odin did. Thanos left the Tyrant fight while he stayed and took Odins best and was fine. He prepped for Tyrant and had a weapon an dlooked far worse than after his battle with Odin.


Dont ignore these factors.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
He said they were going to destroy each other, which is what you said earlier. However, Galactus wasn't at all afraid of Tyrant, even when he "lost". Why would Galactus not be afraid if he thought he was about to die? i said surfer said they were going to destroy each other. They are in the same league. Thats my point. Speculating on fear isnt needed here as we saw Tyrant whoop on him.

Silent Master
Tyrant's performance against Galactus was due to him absorbing the big G's energy, Tyrant didn't have that energy in his Thanos fight, therefore using one in an attempt to prove the other is impressive shows extremely flawed logic, especially considering Thanos was using an outside powersource in his fight.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
Tyrant's performance against Galactus was due to him absorbing the big G's energy, Tyrant didn't have that energy in his Thanos fight, therefore using one in an attempt to prove the other is impressive shows extremely flawed logic, especially considering Thanos was using an outside powersource in his fight. Tyrant is still powerful enough to warrant Galactus' complete attention. Galactus wouldnt cut Odin the same respect because he is way above him as is Tyrant.


Thanos had an orb which did nothing to help his durability.

Again you use Thanos with an outside power source which helps him but dont credit Tyrant for this. You cant have it both ways. Thanos wasnt prepped and didnt have an outside power source when he took on Odin.

Silent Master
I love how you basically just made my point for me and I don't even have to break my word about debating you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wasnt prepped and didnt have an outside power source when he took on Odin.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
I love how you basically just made my point for me and I don't even have to break my word about debating you. Yes,Thanos was well prepared for tyrant whereas in the Odin battle it just sort of happened. Thanos had a power source which he used as a weapon against Tyrant while Odin did less damage against Thanos with no power source and he was unprepared. Tyrant wins.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos left the Tyrant fight while he stayed and took Odins best and was fine. He prepped for Tyrant and had a weapon an dlooked far worse than after his battle with Odin.


Dont ignore these factors.

I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.

Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.

Try taking your own advice.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
i said surfer said they were going to destroy each other. They are in the same league. Thats my point. Speculating on fear isnt needed here as we saw Tyrant whoop on him.

What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before).

G-Mafia
Tyrant ftw IMO. If I recall correctly, Ganymede and her people had some type of power that adversely affected Tyrant. I have not read the comics in years though, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.

Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.

Try taking your own advice.

When Tyrant saw that Thanos was still alive he was about to get serious and kill him. Thanos then acknowledged that (didn't happen vs. Odin). Then he fled with the orb. Thanos's costume was ripped up (the only other time i remember other than vs. Odin) but in a much shorter time. On top of that Thanos's prep was using one of his own power orbs.

He shoulda had one vs. Odin. He mighta pulled it off.

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before).

You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? no expression Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.

Xplosive
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.

Tyrant smites him.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Sundipped
You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? no expression Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.

Well one could say that, because when Morg showed up with the UN Tyrant was powerless to disassemple it, Galactus could have done it but he didn't dare at such a depowered State.

So Tyrant can overwrite Galactus command over his ship but cannot disassemble the UN but Galactus can do it. That can be looked of, as bad writing...

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
When Tyrant saw that Thanos was still alive he was about to get serious and kill him. Thanos then acknowledged that (didn't happen vs. Odin). Then he fled with the orb. Thanos's costume was ripped up (the only other time i remember other than vs. Odin) but in a much shorter time. On top of that Thanos's prep was using one of his own power orbs.

He shoulda had one vs. Odin. He mighta pulled it off.

Tyrant was already serious. He was upset that Thanos had the gall to face him just as a challenge. Thanos acknowledged that of Tyrant, but said he had accomplished his goal, so there was no point in continuing. Thanos hadn't accomplished his goal of Odin yet. Big difference.

So what Thanos' costume was ripped. His costume was fine after a single blast from Galactus, yet he was begging for his life. Would you say he was in better shape there than against Tyrant?

Does no one else realize that his prep didn't really mean anything? Meaningful prep would have been him watching Tyrant while he was fighting the others. That way he learns how Tyrant fights as well as any possible weaknesses. Just knowing his history does not help in a battle. As for the orb, we have no idea how much power was contained in there, so we don't know how it would have helped him against Odin. maybe if Thanos had it, Odin would have actually felt one of his blasts.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? no expression Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.

You can't be serious. Running out of options? You're talking about a being whose anger destroyed star systems and even a Watcher, and one blast and grabbing Tyrant's "hair" are the only options he has? Tyrant's attacks did absolutely nothing to Galactus until Galan decided to hook him to his machine. And you're right, he didn't get tired. His exact quote was "Enough of this! Galactus does not engage in fisticuffs." He even called the confrontation ridiculous. And yes, it is bad writing. Why would Galactus need a machine to drain Tyrant when he has been consistently shown to drain any of his creations using his own power?

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.

Tyrant smites him.

You can also look at the fact that Odin was able to one-shot Surfer when Tyrant couldn't. Galactus also made a shielded Thanos beg for mercy after one shot but Tyrant couldn't do it after multiple attacks.

Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And yes, it is bad writing. Why would Galactus need a machine to drain Tyrant when he has been consistently shown to drain any of his creations using his own power?

Tyrant is far different than any other Galactus creation. Also far more powerful. He is similar to Galactus. And Tyrant like Galactus increased his energy or to contain by draining other planetary biosphere.
He is so powerful that was even feeding on Galactus energy blasts.
He is so much different than any other Galactus creation.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You can also look at the fact that Odin was able to one-shot Surfer when Tyrant couldn't. Galactus also made a shielded Thanos beg for mercy after one shot but Tyrant couldn't do it after multiple attacks.

I can never see a Celestial approaching against Tyrant as against Odin. Celestial would need all to go against Tyrant, especially the FP Tyrant.

Tyrant is generally seen in league of Galactus and such as Celestials, Odin is not.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
Tyrant is far different than any other Galactus creation. Also far more powerful. He is similar to Galactus. And Tyrant like Galactus increased his energy or to contain by draining other planetary biosphere.
He is so powerful that was even feeding on Galactus energy blasts.
He is so much different than any other Galactus creation.


After their first confrontation, Galactus is the one who depowered him, and he did it without tech. That was the most powerful version of Tyrant so far, so why couldn't he do it to a less powerful version?


Originally posted by Xplosive
I can never see a Celestial approaching against Tyrant as against Odin. Celestial would need all to go against Tyrant, especially the FP Tyrant.

Tyrant is generally seen in league of Galactus and such as Celestials, Odin is not.

Celestials have never had a reason to approach Tyrant as he doesn't interfere with their plans. A Celestial having to go all out against Tyrant is pure speculation. Yes, I believe FP Tyrant would be a challenge to a Celestial but not the depowered version.

Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
After their first confrontation, Galactus is the one who depowered him, and he did it without tech. That was the most powerful version of Tyrant so far, so why couldn't he do it to a less powerful version?

Galactus depowered him, but it took a lot from Galactus.
Maybe after that Tyrant figured him out, knew what to do. But I also think that Galactus in the 2nd bout wasn't nearly as powerful as in the 1st one.
In the 1st one he knew who is he facing and knew it will be battle with brute force and it seemed he completely prepared for it, he knew he must.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Celestials have never had a reason to approach Tyrant as he doesn't interfere with their plans. A Celestial having to go all out against Tyrant is pure speculation. Yes, I believe FP Tyrant would be a challenge to a Celestial but not the depowered version.

Yea, I know, I only gave comparison, but then again I used FP Tyrant.

This thread is about DP Tyrant. I think DP Tyrant takes him down.

We can use about their battle vs. Thanos, but DP Tyrant battled clearly the more powerful version of Thanos than Odin (because how Thanos did against DP Tyrant, it seems that Thanos would beat those six powerful being DP Tyrant owned, so it was amped Thanos, because Thanos wouldn't be able to take them down, they would own him. It really seems that orb amped him drastically). However, neither Odin nor DP Tyrant seemed going all out against Thanos.
But Thanos eventually escaped from the battle (and it didn't take so much long as against Odin), but not against Odin.

llagrok
So in a thread where we're trying to decide whether Tyrant is superior to Thanos, you're trying to prove that he's stronger by pulling out his fight with Thanos. You claim that Thanos is stronger here because he did better against someone who's strength you're trying to measure by comparing how Thanos fared against him and Odin?

I don't get it.

Tyrant needs other feats beyond the one that we're using for comparison. His only other feats are fighting some heralds, getting injured by low levels and using Galactus' technology against him.

That hardly puts him above Thanos.

starlock
Originally posted by llagrok
So in a thread where we're trying to decide whether Tyrant is superior to Thanos, you're trying to prove that he's stronger by pulling out his fight with Thanos. You claim that Thanos is stronger here because he did better against someone who's strength you're trying to measure by comparing how Thanos fared against him and Odin?

I don't get it.

Tyrant needs other feats beyond the one that we're using for comparison. His only other feats are fighting some heralds, getting injured by low levels and using Galactus' technology against him.

That hardly puts him above Thanos.


I think you ment Odin? we know tyrant is above thanos?

llagrok
Originally posted by starlock
I think you ment Odin? we know tyrant is above thanos?

We do.

But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.

Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
Galactus depowered him, but it took a lot from Galactus.
Maybe after that Tyrant figured him out, knew what to do. But I also think that Galactus in the 2nd bout wasn't nearly as powerful as in the 1st one.
In the 1st one he knew who is he facing and knew it will be battle with brute force and it seemed he completely prepared for it, he knew he must.

Um, it's never stated anywhere that depowering Tyrant took a lot from Galactus and Galactus has never been depowered throughout the years. Unless you have proof otherwise, which I would love to see.



Originally posted by Xplosive
We can use about their battle vs. Thanos, but DP Tyrant battled clearly the more powerful version of Thanos than Odin (because how Thanos did against DP Tyrant, it seems that Thanos would beat those six powerful being DP Tyrant owned, so it was amped Thanos, because Thanos wouldn't be able to take them down, they would own him. It really seems that orb amped him drastically). However, neither Odin nor DP Tyrant seemed going all out against Thanos.
But Thanos eventually escaped from the battle (and it didn't take so much long as against Odin), but not against Odin.

While it MAY be true that the Thanos Tyrant faced was the most powerful at the time, it's only because of the orb he held, which we have no idea how much power was even contained in it. It was never mentioned again after that, so it obviously wasn't too important once Thanos did his tests on it. Plus you have Tyrant never commenting about Thanos' power being augmented by the orb. He only comments about how Thanos is more powerful than the others he faced. So saying the orb "amped him drastically" is pure speculation.

As for Thanos running from Tyrant and not Odin, I'll repeat myself again. Against Tyrant, Thanos had accomplished his goal, so there was no further reason to fight. He didn't accomplish his goal against Odin, so there was no reason to leave. Simple.

starlock
Originally posted by llagrok
We do.

But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.

Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin.

I agree, i was just pointing out your post above mine that ended with
"That hardly puts him above Thanos."

I think you ment to say......That hardly puts him above Odinwink

llagrok
Originally posted by starlock
I agree, i was just pointing out your post above mine that ended with
"That hardly puts him above Thanos."

I think you ment to say......That hardly puts him above Odinwink

No, I meant Thanos.

Tyrant's feats hardly puts him above Thanos. How on earth can some people translate that into him being on Odin's level?

Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
So saying the orb "amped him drastically" is pure speculation.

I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

Of course he wouldn't have been able to take that team out that quickly because he's not as powerful as Tyrant either with or without the orb. However, I would like to see what evidence you have as to thinking he couldn't take that team also, because I've seen him take on groups of very powerful beings before.

Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Of course he wouldn't have been able to take that team out that quickly because he's not as powerful as Tyrant either with or without the orb. However, I would like to see what evidence you have as to thinking he couldn't take that team also, because I've seen him take on groups of very powerful beings before.

Thanos taking those team out combined, no way. They would overwhelm him and should overwhelm him quickly.

We could argue Silver Surfer alone going all out and Thanos going all out could give serious problems to Thanos (not saying he would win), especially because of having such an enormous speed advantage.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.

Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.

Try taking your own advice. Tyrant said he could kill him and Thanos didnt argue. If Thanos could have taken him down he wouldnt have left. Thanos didnt budge against Odin because he wasnt as powerful as Tyrant.


Thanos stood up and looked worse than when he fought Odin. I cant seem to understand anyone disputing this. His clothes were destroyed in a much shorter time and he had a weapon he used against Tyrant. Odin fought him for over 6 pages and Thanos clothes were singed and slightly torn.

Thanos mentally prepared himself and took the orb to fight him with. while Odin attacked Thanos for no reason and he wasnt prepared to take on Odin.


Saying that with prep Thanos is just the same as without is totally ignorant.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before). What are you talking about?


Tyrant absorbed his energy easily. Galactus looked downright desperate to use his own tech. Tyrant was talking trash and outright dominating him the entire time.


Why would Morg get the un and intervene if Galactus was so far above Tyrant. Answer he wasnt and there is a reason he intervened as Galactus was doomed.

You arent even being reasonable at all anymore.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Xplosive
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.

Tyrant smites him. Agreed. Galactus fed himself and treated him as a real threat. He was and proved it on panel. Odin was a joke amped to a Celestial. Tyrant would beat him senseless.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant was already serious. He was upset that Thanos had the gall to face him just as a challenge. Thanos acknowledged that of Tyrant, but said he had accomplished his goal, so there was no point in continuing. Thanos hadn't accomplished his goal of Odin yet. Big difference.

So what Thanos' costume was ripped. His costume was fine after a single blast from Galactus, yet he was begging for his life. Would you say he was in better shape there than against Tyrant?

Does no one else realize that his prep didn't really mean anything? Meaningful prep would have been him watching Tyrant while he was fighting the others. That way he learns how Tyrant fights as well as any possible weaknesses. Just knowing his history does not help in a battle. As for the orb, we have no idea how much power was contained in there, so we don't know how it would have helped him against Odin. maybe if Thanos had it, Odin would have actually felt one of his blasts. Thanos acknowledged he couldnt take much more.

That is a separate instance altogether but we are talking about Odin and Tyrant vs Thanos. Thanos took more from Odin and looked better and thats a fact.

The orb was a weapon that was used. We dont know how powerful it is but we know Thanos had a weapon against Tyrant but didnt have one against Odin.

quanchi112
Originally posted by llagrok
We do.

But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.

Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin. They had a direct confrontation and Tyrant wasnt phased. Thanos left. Tyrant also could beat on Galactus while Thanos couldnt take more than few shots wit his shields up.

How can anyone in their right mind put his durability below Thanos'. How? Thanos isnt the baddest character out right and thats great because thats boring. I wouldnt like a character who was at Galactus level or higher because its extremely broing and theres no challenge.

Thanos in this whole story took on someone more powerful tha him. To see if he could take it and he could but couldnt defeat him with his own power alone and this was proven in their battle.

But Tyrant is on a whole other level and is near Galactus. I love Thanos to death but he beat on Thanos easily and didnt know who the hell he was. Thanos did get more powerful since their confrontation but he still couldnt last long with Galactus.

Tyrant was beating on a well fed prepped Galactus. Beating him senseless where Morg had to save him.


You are acting totally ignorant here. Tyrant has not lost to anyone on panel since he was depowered. No one so for anyone to question his durability when he has no low showings its completely ignorant.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos taking those team out combined, no way. They would overwhelm him and should overwhelm him quickly.

We could argue Silver Surfer alone going all out and Thanos going all out could give serious problems to Thanos (not saying he would win), especially because of having such an enormous speed advantage.

Thanos has taken a blast from Surfer at point blank range, and it didn't do anything to him. He team down both Thing and Thor at the same time before his initial upgrade. He took on lots of heroes when he and the Watch threw down with them in the Infinity War. Plus, he was standing toe-to-toe with WM Thor w/PG, whom earlier rocked the Watch, SS, and Dr. Strange at the same time.

And speed won't work against Thanos. Fallen One tried that and failed.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos has taken a blast from Surfer at point blank range, and it didn't do anything to him. He team down both Thing and Thor at the same time before his initial upgrade. He took on lots of heroes when he and the Watch threw down with them in the Infinity War. Plus, he was standing toe-to-toe with WM Thor w/PG, whom earlier rocked the Watch, SS, and Dr. Strange at the same time.

And speed won't work against Thanos. Fallen One tried that and failed. What did I miss over here.

That team wouldnt beat Thanos. No way no how. They dont have the overall power to defeat him first off.


Like you mentioned he took on Thor with the power gem and only had a bloody nose after playing around with him. Thanos has been upgraded since all this anyways.


He beats them off one by one. It would be a helluva battle but one in which Thanos would come out on top.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant said he could kill him and Thanos didnt argue. If Thanos could have taken him down he wouldnt have left. Thanos didnt budge against Odin because he wasnt as powerful as Tyrant.

I haven't once said that Thanos could take Tyrant down. And Thanos budged plenty of times against Odin. He just kept getting back up.


Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stood up and looked worse than when he fought Odin. I cant seem to understand anyone disputing this. His clothes were destroyed in a much shorter time and he had a weapon he used against Tyrant. Odin fought him for over 6 pages and Thanos clothes were singed and slightly torn.

Again, what does that matter. Thanos struggled to stand against Odin but not Tyrant. And Thanos' clothes weren't torn when Galactus blasted him either. Does that mean Thanos was in better shape after that than against his battle with Tyrant?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos mentally prepared himself and took the orb to fight him with. while Odin attacked Thanos for no reason and he wasnt prepared to take on Odin.

Odin didn't start attacking Thanos out of nowhere. Odin appeared, struck down Drax, and told his soldiers to leave. It was after that that they battled. So Thanos knew what he was getting into. Besides, since when does ANYONE invade Asgard and not expect to face Odin?


Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying that with prep Thanos is just the same as without is totally ignorant.

Not once did I say they were the same. I said the information gained by Thanos was pointless in an actual battle with him, because he has never seen Tyrant fight nor know what kind of attacks he's capable of.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well one could say that, because when Morg showed up with the UN Tyrant was powerless to disassemple it, Galactus could have done it but he didn't dare at such a depowered State.

So Tyrant can overwrite Galactus command over his ship but cannot disassemble the UN but Galactus can do it. That can be looked of, as bad writing...

Thing about it is the UN is an aspect of Galactus himself. It may be possible for Tyrant to have to have direct physical contact with the tech to be able to control it. Still not bad writing.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
What are you talking about?


Tyrant absorbed his energy easily. Galactus looked downright desperate to use his own tech. Tyrant was talking trash and outright dominating him the entire time.

Easily, huh? Is that why he was screaming in pain and briefly doubted the confrontation? Galactus didn't look desperate. When has he ever looked desperate after a single attack?


Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would Morg get the un and intervene if Galactus was so far above Tyrant. Answer he wasnt and there is a reason he intervened as Galactus was doomed.

Morg didn't pull out the UN until after Tyrant absorbed Galactus' tech. If Tyrant was as big of a threat as you say he was, why didn't he just use the UN from the start?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You arent even being reasonable at all anymore.

Look who's talking.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos acknowledged he couldnt take much more.

No, he said given the opportunity he's sure Tyrant would be able to kill him. Nothing about Thanos not being able to take much more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is a separate instance altogether but we are talking about Odin and Tyrant vs Thanos. Thanos took more from Odin and looked better and thats a fact.

Thanos also took more from Galactus and looked in better shape than against Tyrant. But Thanos wasn't begging for his life against Tyrant and he was against Galactus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was a weapon that was used. We dont know how powerful it is but we know Thanos had a weapon against Tyrant but didnt have one against Odin.

True, but unless we know how much power was in it, it's pointless to claim Thanos would have done a lot better against Odin with it, especially since Thanos couldn't even scratch Odin.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
What did I miss over here.

That team wouldnt beat Thanos. No way no how. They dont have the overall power to defeat him first off.


Like you mentioned he took on Thor with the power gem and only had a bloody nose after playing around with him. Thanos has been upgraded since all this anyways.


He beats them off one by one. It would be a helluva battle but one in which Thanos would come out on top.

Tell that to Xplosive.

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant's attacks did absolutely nothing to Galactus until Galan decided to hook him to his machine. And you're right, he didn't get tired. His exact quote was "Enough of this! Galactus does not engage in fisticuffs." He even called the confrontation ridiculous. And yes, it is bad writing.

U misinterpet. The quotes are a representation of frustration.
He called it ridiculous but he was the one who had just fed and was still getting everything he tried countered. laughing out loud




In case u forgot Tyrant became a master at maipulating biospheric energy. He reversed the power flow through Big G's ship and had absorbed what Tyrant called "synthesized biosheric energy" from Galactus' energy projections. This creation of Galactus is non like any of his other ones.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Xplosive
I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

It did amp him drastically. Thanos knew the kind of power it possesed because after Tyrant first attacked him with cosmic vison, it knocked him through the roof and he was shown reaching desperately for the orb. He then realized the kind of power Tyrant had and didn't want to take any chances.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
U misinterpet. The quotes are a representation of frustration.
He called it ridiculous but he was the one who had just fed and was still getting everything he tried countered. laughing out loud

How is that misinterpretting? I'm interpretting it exactly the way Galactus said it. You make it sound like Galactus tried an assortment of attacks. He blasted Tyrant once and grabbed his "hair". Big deal. Galactus has FAR more in his arsenal than that.


Originally posted by Sundipped
In case u forgot Tyrant became a master at maipulating biospheric energy. He reversed the power flow through Big G's ship and had absorbed what Tyrant called "synthesized biosheric energy" from Galactus' energy projections. This creation of Galactus is non like any of his other ones.

I'm well aware that he isn't like Galactus' other creations. But he has drained him before, so it's pointless for him to try using tech to do it this time.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Sundipped
It did amp him drastically. Thanos knew the kind of power it possesed because after Tyrant first attacked him with cosmic vison, it knocked him through the roof and he was shown reaching desperately for the orb. He then realized the kind of power Tyrant had and didn't want to take any chances.

rolleyes1 I'm sure it had nothing to do with Thanos not wanting to lose the orb since he was trying to steal it.

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Xplosive
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos has taken a blast from Surfer at point blank range, and it didn't do anything to him. He team down both Thing and Thor at the same time before his initial upgrade. He took on lots of heroes when he and the Watch threw down with them in the Infinity War. Plus, he was standing toe-to-toe with WM Thor w/PG, whom earlier rocked the Watch, SS, and Dr. Strange at the same time.



Which was the issue where Silver Surfer and Thanos batted on some planet, SS was bloodlusted and it was in question who would win when SS then?
Or I just don't remember well.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
And speed won't work against Thanos. Fallen One tried that and failed.

Only because of writing. The point is that Thanos wouldn't even be able to get his hands on SS, if Silver Surfer wouldn't allow it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beats them off one by one. It would be a helluva battle but one in which Thanos would come out on top.

Them organizing well, they would quickly beat him. With their speed, combined power, they should quickly beat him. Thanos is no Tyrant.
If those team would organize well, Thanos shouldn't even be able to see what would be going around him.

I bet he would look for escape.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Xplosive
Which was the issue where Silver Surfer and Thanos batted on some planet, SS was bloodlusted and it was in question who would win when SS then?

Good question. I'd like to see that, too.



Originally posted by Xplosive
Only because of writing. The point is that Thanos couldn't even able to get his hands on SS, if Silver Surfer wouldn't allow it.


But Tyrant can, right? wink

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I haven't once said that Thanos could take Tyrant down. And Thanos budged plenty of times against Odin. He just kept getting back up.




Again, what does that matter. Thanos struggled to stand against Odin but not Tyrant. And Thanos' clothes weren't torn when Galactus blasted him either. Does that mean Thanos was in better shape after that than against his battle with Tyrant?



Odin didn't start attacking Thanos out of nowhere. Odin appeared, struck down Drax, and told his soldiers to leave. It was after that that they battled. So Thanos knew what he was getting into. Besides, since when does ANYONE invade Asgard and not expect to face Odin?




Not once did I say they were the same. I said the information gained by Thanos was pointless in an actual battle with him, because he has never seen Tyrant fight nor know what kind of attacks he's capable of. Again Thanos didnt bring a weapon to fight Odin but he had one against Tyrant.

Thanos had to get to his feet and looked far worse against Tyrant than he did against Odin. Galactus blasted him and Thanos confirmed he did damage to himself whereas in the Odin fight he said no such thing. Its in Thanos' character to survive but he didnt yield at all and had no purpose in fighting Odin at all.

This is so simple its crazy. Tyrant made Thanos leave and Thanos didnt object to the notion of Tyrant killing him.

Thanos had time to prep and prepare for Tyrant. He figured he would have to battle him but it all happened so quickly there was no prep allowed at all compared to Thanos actually coming up with challenging Tyrant and all.

He saw and gathered information about his titanic battle with Galactus and how he stored power into the orbs. Did you not read the issue or did you forget?

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Easily, huh? Is that why he was screaming in pain and briefly doubted the confrontation? Galactus didn't look desperate. When has he ever looked desperate after a single attack?




Morg didn't pull out the UN until after Tyrant absorbed Galactus' tech. If Tyrant was as big of a threat as you say he was, why didn't he just use the UN from the start?



Look who's talking. It powered him up but hurt. It did Galactus no good whatsoever but actually powered Tyrant up. Dont you realize thats why Galactus was desperate and he used the tech. smile

Morg pulled out the un after Tyrant had him toppled and screaming in pain. Again Galactus tried the tech move but was countered and was getting crushed. Context.

Sundipped
Originally posted by celestialdemon
rolleyes1 I'm sure it had nothing to do with Thanos not wanting to lose the orb since he was trying to steal it.

It was rolling on the ground. It wasn't going anywhere.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celestialdemon
How is that misinterpretting? I'm interpretting it exactly the way Galactus said it. You make it sound like Galactus tried an assortment of attacks. He blasted Tyrant once and grabbed his "hair". Big deal. Galactus has FAR more in his arsenal than that.




I'm well aware that he isn't like Galactus' other creations. But he has drained him before, so it's pointless for him to try using tech to do it this time. Again Galactus beat him the first time but was getting his ass kicked the second. Geez. Tyrant learned from his mistakes while Galactus thought it would be very much the same which it wasnt at all. Tyrant was more than he could handle this time.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Xplosive
Which was the issue where Silver Surfer and Thanos batted on some planet, SS was bloodlusted and it was in question who would win when SS then?
Or I just don't remember well.



Only because of writing. The point is that Thanos wouldn't even be able to get his hands on SS, if Silver Surfer wouldn't allow it.



Them organizing well, they would quickly beat him. With their speed, combined power, they should quickly beat him. Thanos is no Tyrant.
If those team would organize well, Thanos shouldn't even be able to see what would be going around him.

I bet he would look for escape. Thanos could hit him as he blasted the Fallen One easily when he was all over the place. Thanos crushes the Surfer easily and can beat him whenever he wants. Thanos isnt as powerful as Tyrant but is above these others here. He would overcome them.

Sundipped
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Galactus beat him the first time but was getting his ass kicked the second. Geez. Tyrant learned from his mistakes while Galactus thought it would be very much the same which it wasnt at all. Tyrant was more than he could handle this time.

Exactly. He was preped this go round with previously unseen abilities and caught Big G off guard. NO MORE DEPOWERING!

quanchi112
Originally posted by Sundipped
Exactly. He was preped this go round with previously unseen abilities and caught Big G off guard. NO MORE DEPOWERING! I know I keep hearing bad writing and such. No way. Its canon and shouldnt be even taken into question. Tyrant was prepped and ready for Galactus while Galactus thought he was ready but his every attack was turned against him. Galactus knew this battle was going to be difficult also as he didnt want to fight him when Tyrant took his herald,Morg earlier.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos didnt bring a weapon to fight Odin but he had one against Tyrant.

Thanos had to get to his feet and looked far worse against Tyrant than he did against Odin. Galactus blasted him and Thanos confirmed he did damage to himself whereas in the Odin fight he said no such thing. Its in Thanos' character to survive but he didnt yield at all and had no purpose in fighting Odin at all.

Thanos didn't have to SAY anything against Odin. He SHOWED it by him struggling to stand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is so simple its crazy. Tyrant made Thanos leave and Thanos didnt object to the notion of Tyrant killing him.

Aren't you always the one who says "context". Why don't you try looking at that now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had time to prep and prepare for Tyrant. He figured he would have to battle him but it all happened so quickly there was no prep allowed at all compared to Thanos actually coming up with challenging Tyrant and all.

He saw and gathered information about his titanic battle with Galactus and how he stored power into the orbs. Did you not read the issue or did you forget?

I read the issue. So his prep was grabbing one orb out of hundreds? One that even he had no idea what kind of power was in it? Not very good prep.

Thanos knew very well they were going to Asgard. There was nothing sudden about Odin's attack. He didn't even attack Thanos until Thanos attacked first.

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