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They fight.

1. No BFR

2. BFR On

Compare classic levels to current levels.

Thor wins.

Thor on both.

Thor at classic levels would edge out Bill. Both of there fights Bill Only one thru PIS first time fighting Thor reverted back to Blake 2nd battle was on Bill's home would which gave him an slight amp.

Current level was shown to be beyond bill the superskrull fight. however just last issue Thor gave up the small amount of the odinpower he had so he is supposed to be back at his classic level but we have to see.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor on both.

Thor at classic levels would edge out Bill. Both of there fights Bill Only one thru PIS first time fighting Thor reverted back to Blake 2nd battle was on Bill's home would which gave him an slight amp.

Current level was shown to be beyond bill the superskrull fight. however just last issue Thor gave up the small amount of the odinpower he had so he is supposed to be back at his classic level but we have to see. BRB is stronger than classic thor, when BRB picked up the staff and tapped it, it was stated that thors strength was added to his own. Thor is more skilled with his hammer than bill. Edge goes to thor.

Originally posted by james2099
BRB is stronger than classic thor, when BRB picked up the staff and tapped it, it was stated that thors strength was added to his own. Thor is more skilled with his hammer than bill. Edge goes to thor.

Do you have a scan of that b/c if that were true. Then Thunderstrike, rednorvel would be strouger then Thor also.

PLus Since Bill appeared to be close to Thor in strength before he pick up the hammer wouldn't that make him almost twice as stroung then Thor. It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by james2099
BRB is stronger than classic thor, when BRB picked up the staff and tapped it, it was stated that thors strength was added to his own.

Incorrect. Mjolnir does not give you any physical boosts.

Thor with Mjolnir in hand is as physically strong as Thor without mjolnir.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Incorrect. Mjolnir does not give you any physical boosts.

Thor with Mjolnir in hand is as physically strong as Thor without mjolnir.

thats thor ,but classic bill had his strength + thors when he transformed using the hammer

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2150/img045m.th.jpg

Originally posted by ankur29
thats thor ,but classic bill had his strength + thors when he transformed using the hammer

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2150/img045m.th.jpg

"Thor's strength" is referring to the powers that he is bestowed. He does not gain any kind of additional strenght. Even if he did, it would only bring him up to Thor's level.

If Mjolnir gave people super-strength then Thor would receive a boost as well. So would Captain America or whatever. Thor had super strength many, many years before he laid his hands on Mjolnir and he has it without it.

^ Co-sign. Thinking that Bill has 2x Thor's strength ignores the obvious facts of the situation.

Thor ftw, any scenario. Their stalemate H2H aside, Thor's feats in any department trump Bill's, and forum debating rules include characters fighting at peak (except for CIS), so Thor would be using the myriad tricks with Mjolnir that he has done and Bill hasn't.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
"Thor's strength" is referring to the powers that he is bestowed. He does not gain any kind of additional strenght. Even if he did, it would only bring him up to Thor's level.

If Mjolnir gave people super-strength then Thor would receive a boost as well. So would Captain America or whatever. Thor had super strength many, many years before he laid his hands on Mjolnir and he has it without it. When dargo got thors hammer, he went from a regular person to a super strength warrior. Captain america picked up the hammer, bill tapped the staff and a transformation happened, thats how he gained thors added strength and the outfit while captain america stayed the same.

Originally posted by james2099
When dargo got thors hammer, he went from a regular person to a super strength warrior. Captain america picked up the hammer, bill tapped the staff and a transformation happened, thats how he gained thors added strength and the outfit while captain america stayed the same.

stop that

Originally posted by Charmander
stop that Yes sir!!

Originally posted by james2099
When dargo got thors hammer, he went from a regular person to a super strength warrior. Captain america picked up the hammer, bill tapped the staff and a transformation happened, thats how he gained thors added strength and the outfit while captain america stayed the same.

There are incidents for and against.

Back in the day Thor also had to tap Mjolnir on the ground to summon lightning.

BRB does not get Thor's strength added to his own. Thor's strength does not come from Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
There are incidents for and against.

Back in the day Thor also had to tap Mjolnir on the ground to summon lightning.

BRB does not get Thor's strength added to his own. Thor's strength does not come from Mjolnir.

hmmm , i not too sure but back in the day it does seem to indicate BRB gets thor power on top of his own , he was trading blows with thor sucessfullly before the transformation

Originally posted by ankur29
hmmm , i not too sure but back in the day it does seem to indicate BRB gets thor power on top of his own , he was trading blows with thor sucessfullly before the transformation

And?

He's never shown that he was stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And?

He's never shown that he was stronger than Thor.

why does thor/odin call BRB his equal? why did thor need BRB's help to lift asgard , were they not lifting an equal amount of it when it collapsed during skrull invasion?

Originally posted by ankur29
why does thor/odin call BRB his equal? why did thor need BRB's help to lift asgard , were they not lifting an equal amount of it when it collapsed during skrull invasion?

The hell are you talking about now, son? is it difficult to read?

Do you know what the word "stronger" means?

Do you understand what people say when they claim that BRB had Thor's strength ADDED to his own?

And them being equal means BRB is stronger?

I don't get what your last post was meant to prove.

Well, anyway...why is BRB so ****ing ugly?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The hell are you talking about now, son? is it difficult to read?

Do you know what the word "stronger" means?

Do you understand what people say when they claim that BRB had Thor's strength ADDED to his own?

sorry i seem to have read your post wrong , i thought you had written

"He's never shown that he was strong as Thor."

Originally posted by ankur29
sorry i seem to have read your post wrong , i thought you had written

"He's never shown that he was strong than Thor."

It wouldn't make much difference. BRB has never shown that he has GREATER STRENGTH than Thor.

Read the inscription on thors hammer, You gain the power of Thor, not the hammer, you use the hammer, but it clearly states that you gain thors power IF you be worthy. There is a difference in picking up the hammer and feeling the hammers power ( captain america, Wonder Woman, Superman) than gaining thors power and transforming ( BRB, Dargo, Eric, Red N. )..http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d68lLp_PfN0/SeSlYL2vv5I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/ScMd_vJX6x4/s400/thor-vs-cap.jpg&imgrefurl=http://comicsofrhodey.blogspot.com/2009/04/simply-worst.html&usg=__fgmrvpQkQiC6UssHGzK0x1rjZGw=&h=400&w=372&sz=68&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nH1TbSwPp0hFVM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=115&prev=/ images%3Fq%3Dinscriptions%2Bon%2Bthors%2Bhammer%26
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BRB is hard core and i pick him

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
1. No BFR

2. BFR On
What exactly is this going to change?

Originally posted by james2099
Read the inscription on thors hammer, You gain the power of Thor, not the hammer, you use the hammer, but it clearly states that you gain thors power IF you be worthy. There is a difference in picking up the hammer and feeling the hammers power ( captain america, Wonder Woman, Superman) than gaining thors power and transforming ( BRB, Dargo, Eric, Red N. )..http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d68lLp_PfN0/SeSlYL2vv5I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/ScMd_vJX6x4/s400/thor-vs-cap.jpg&imgrefurl=http://comicsofrhodey.blogspot.com/2009/04/simply-worst.html&usg=__fgmrvpQkQiC6UssHGzK0x1rjZGw=&h=400&w=372&sz=68&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nH1TbSwPp0hFVM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=115&prev=/ images%3Fq%3Dinscriptions%2Bon%2Bthors%2Bhammer%26
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It doens't work the way you think. Plus stormbreaker doesn't have thar inscription on the hammer. Also Thors hammer no longer has that on it anyways.

Also Bill revert back to a weaker form of his people not the cyborg with out the hammer " Don't know why but that how it is being written now."

Originally posted by DarkOdin
It doens't work the way you think. Plus stormbreaker doesn't have thar inscription on the hammer. Also Thors hammer no longer has that on it anyways.

Also Bill revert back to a weaker form of his people not the cyborg with out the hammer " Don't know why but that how it is being written now." Odin placed the same enchantments on stormbreaker so that any un-worthy person wont be able to lift the hammer and gain BRB power. Bill told Odin that his people detested his cyborg form, Odin knew that bill wanted to be the weaker more acceptable form to his people, the enchantment that changed thor to human reverted BRB back to his base form because the cyborg form ceased to exist when Bill turned to Beta Ray Thor, leaving his thor form and base form. Odins smart, he knew that the enchantment would by-pass the cyborg form because it was not his base form.

Originally posted by james2099
Odin placed the same enchantments on stormbreaker so that any un-worthy person wont be able to lift the hammer and gain BRB power. Bill told Odin that his people detested his cyborg form, Odin knew that bill wanted to be the weaker more acceptable form to his people, the enchantment that changed thor to human reverted BRB back to his base form because the cyborg form ceased to exist when Bill turned to Beta Ray Thor, leaving his thor form and base form. Odins smart, he knew that the enchantment would by-pass the cyborg form because it was not his base form.

Bingo.

Which is WHY BRB doesn't get "thor's strength" added to his own.

Originally posted by james2099
Odin placed the same enchantments on stormbreaker so that any un-worthy person wont be able to lift the hammer and gain BRB power. Bill told Odin that his people detested his cyborg form, Odin knew that bill wanted to be the weaker more acceptable form to his people, the enchantment that changed thor to human reverted BRB back to his base form because the cyborg form ceased to exist when Bill turned to Beta Ray Thor, leaving his thor form and base form. Odins smart, he knew that the enchantment would by-pass the cyborg form because it was not his base form.

If it by-passed cyborg form then how would BRB be strounger then Thor.

You just contricted your ealier statement???

Originally posted by DarkOdin
If it by-passed cyborg form then how would BRB be strounger then Thor.

You just contricted your ealier statement??? Because the cyborg form merged with his thor form, thats why he still has the horse face and his thor form shows traces of his cyborg armor. Thats why he transforms back to base form. He cannot go base, cyborg then thor form, so two merged leaving his base form when he choose to be regular.

Originally posted by james2099
Because the cyborg form merged with his thor form, thats why he still has the horse face and his thor form shows traces of his cyborg armor. Thats why he transforms back to base form. He cannot go base, cyborg then thor form, so two merged leaving his base form when he choose to be regular.

lmfao, you seriously believe this?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Bingo.

Which is WHY BRB doesn't get "thor's strength" added to his own. Thors hammer works the same as that ruby that gave Juggernaut his powers. Only difference is that anyone can lift and touch the ruby, while you must be worthy to gain thors power. Why do you think Odin placed that enchantment on the hammer? If not, then hulk, juggernaut and plenty others who have tried to lift it would be beasts.BRB was as noble as thor in Odins eyes.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lmfao, you seriously believe this? Please debate the claims in a respectable manner. Also, if he did not gain thors power, how is it that he controlled thors hammer?

Originally posted by james2099
Thors hammer works the same as that ruby that gave Juggernaut his powers. Only difference is that anyone can lift and touch the ruby, while you must be worthy to gain thors power. Why do you think Odin placed that enchantment on the hammer? If not, then hulk, juggernaut and plenty others who have tried to lift it would be beasts.BRB was as noble as thor in Odins eyes.

No shit, Steinberg :/

Who do you think posted their fights in the respect threads?

Originally posted by james2099
Please debate the claims in a respectable manner.

I will, when you make a respectable argument.

that guy might have a point.

beta ray reverts back into a normal korbinite, and when he goes beta ray thor, he regains his trademark horse-like features from the experiments done to him. and i recall damage done to him relieved some cybernetic components like he had before he was given stormbreaker.

could be a continuity hiccup...idunno

but he only becomes equal to thor in strength, though without the asgardian madness syndrome.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No shit, Steinberg :/

Who do you think posted their fights in the respect threads?



I will, when you make a respectable argument. If BRB did not gain thors power, whose power did he gain?? Why did the hammer obey him? Why did it return to his hand?? When Odin called thor back to Asgard, why did beta ray THOR appear in Asgard??

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that guy might have a point.

beta ray reverts back into a normal korbinite, and when he goes beta ray thor, he regains his trademark horse-like features from the experiments done to him. and i recall damage done to him relieved some cybernetic components like he had before he was given stormbreaker.

could be a continuity hiccup...idunno

but he only becomes equal to thor in strength, though without the asgardian madness syndrome.

BRB reverts to a regular black human it seems.

Originally posted by james209 9
If BRB did not gain thors power, whose power did he gain?? Why did the hammer obey him? Why did it return to his hand?? When Odin called thor back to Asgard, why did beta ray THOR appear in Asgard??

You're defending the wrong argument. I've already agreed with and proven this right.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Bingo.

Which is WHY BRB doesn't get "thor's strength" added to his own.

does donald blake get thor's strength added to his own?

let says donald blake enahanced himself to class 100 through some earthly experiemnts (gamma rqaadiation or drugs or summin) , would he be amped to thors strength level or have thors strength + his own class 100?

justy trying to clear up whether BRB in adroid form retain his android strength when empowered by thors hammer , or got thors strength?

please don't be hostile

Originally posted by ankur29
does donald blake get thor's strength added to his own?

let says donald blake enahanced himself to class 100 through some earthly experiemnts (gamma rqaadiation or drugs or summin) , would he be amped to thors strength level or have thors strength + his own class 100?

justy trying to clear up whether BRB in adroid form retain his android strength when empowered by thors hammer , or got thors strength?

please don't be hostile

Any boost Donald Blake gains does not transfer to Thor. They are completely separate entities. Blake is not at the reins when he is Thor, Thor is. BRB is now simply Black Military Man or Beta Ray Thor. No matter how much black military man trains, it won't make a difference.

However, they've messed up pretty bad. Since now they introduced the good ol' beta ray uglyface, who's neither a full horsface nor the black military man. So how are they going to explain this? BRB has three shapes now apparently.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well, anyway...why is BRB so ****ing ugly?
basically, surtur destroys the home galaxy of the korbinites, leaving only the main kingdom. the korbinites decide to make a champion to fight him and his demon horde so they start subjecting tons of their cream of the crop soldiers to insane testing, stage one being a psychological test that killed or mentally handicapped all but bill and a couple others.

then the scientists gathered the most vicious and ferocious animals from their planet, and started amping them with cybernetics and bioengineering. then they got the living test subjects and transplanted their brains into the animals. bill was the only one who lived.

At classic levels they are equals. Now Thor is greater as he has the Odin force.

Originally posted by ankur29
does donald blake get thor's strength added to his own?

let says donald blake enahanced himself to class 100 through some earthly experiemnts (gamma rqaadiation or drugs or summin) , would he be amped to thors strength level or have thors strength + his own class 100?

justy trying to clear up whether BRB in adroid form retain his android strength when empowered by thors hammer , or got thors strength?

please don't be hostile

Donald BLake and Thor are two different people now and even back in classic days It seems Odin didn't create blake"as first it seemed that way" but used him as a vessals for Thor.

However IF we go back to how when ragnarok was coming b/c of the wordl engine. All who had the power of Thor except one were being removed as They were Thor. BRB being on of them. So when you weild the hammer you become "Thor" not gain Thors power in strength or added. Thus the reason Bill was put into a coma. B/C he was "The GOd of thunder" not a android that had his powers.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Donald BLake and Thor are two different people now and even back in classic days It seems Odin didn\'t create blake\"as first it seemed that way\" but used him as a vessals for Thor.

However IF we go back to how when ragnarok was coming b/c of the wordl engine. All who had the power of Thor except one were being removed as They were Thor. BRB being on of them. So when you weild the hammer you become \"Thor\" not gain Thors power in strength or added. Thus the reason Bill was put into a coma. B/C he was \"The GOd of thunder\" not a android that had his powers.

Blake and Thor share memories. Blake and Thor can exist seperated. I agree I don\'t think Blake and Thor are exactly the same person. Although Thor has drawn upon Blake\'s medical knowledge in the past. It is difficult to actually make definitive statements on who Blake and Thor are in relation to each other as they have both been revised many times.

Uhm... I don't know much about Thor, BUT!
Donald Blake and Thor don't add. They trade place.
So, be it class 50 or 100, it doesn't matter at all there...

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Donald BLake and Thor are two different people now and even back in classic days It seems Odin didn't create blake"as first it seemed that way" but used him as a vessals for Thor.

However IF we go back to how when ragnarok was coming b/c of the wordl engine. All who had the power of Thor except one were being removed as They were Thor. BRB being on of them. So when you weild the hammer you become "Thor" not gain Thors power in strength or added. Thus the reason Bill was put into a coma. B/C he was "The GOd of thunder" not a android that had his powers.

Spot on.

Here is a test... Why did dargo, blake, masterson, and bill transform with the hammer and Wonder Woman, superman and Captain America did not?

Here's a test...when has BRB ever shown superior strength to Thor?

Originally posted by Mindset
Here's a test...when has BRB ever shown superior strength to Thor? When he fought a warrior madness thor whose strength is increased, bill lost, but he had the upperhand at the start.

Originally posted by james2099
Here is a test... Why did dargo, blake, masterson, and bill transform with the hammer and Wonder Woman, superman and Captain America did not?
Wonder Woman did transform with the hammer didn't she? Not into Thor, but I'm pretty sure her outfit changed...

Originally posted by Test.osterone
Blake and Thor share memories. Blake and Thor can exist seperated. I agree I don\'t think Blake and Thor are exactly the same person. Although Thor has drawn upon Blake\'s medical knowledge in the past. It is difficult to actually make definitive statements on who Blake and Thor are in relation to each other as they have both been revised many times.

Yes this can be true also but if we go by the current writing of Thor they no longer share knowledge or a mind. Like when blake as Thor questions and Thor answer him for example the broken hammer.

But i do remeber what you are talking about like when Thor operated on some one in central park with red norvel as his nurse he recalled the knowledge of Blake.

Originally posted by james2099
When he fought a warrior madness thor whose strength is increased, bill lost, but he had the upperhand at the start. I disagree.

Originally posted by Test.osterone
At classic levels they are equals. Now Thor is greater as he has the Odin force. True, but all class 100 characters are deemed as equals such as thor, superman, BRB, WM and gladiator..... yet none of the others have been shown to match gladiator in lifting strength or just flat out strength.

Originally posted by Mindset
I disagree. So you are saying that cyborg bill is equal to Beta Ray Thor??

I'm saying BRB is equal to Thor in strength.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm saying BRB is equal to Thor in strength. They say that thor is equal to Superman in strength too..... HE IS NOT.

Ok, I don't care if he is or isn't.

Thor wins.

Thor wins

Thor wins.

Originally posted by james2099
When he fought a warrior madness thor whose strength is increased, bill lost, but he had the upperhand at the start.

No on both accounts. Thor was not amped in that arc and Beta Ray Bill had his ass handed to him about 3 times.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Thor wins.

LOL you just had to bring this one back....

Thor wins he always will be a notch above BRB

I dont really know much about Thors newer power levels. But between the two of them in a classic fight I would give it to BRB.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor wins he always will be a notch above BRB
Pretty much.

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
I dont really know much about Thors newer power levels. But between the two of them in a classic fight I would give it to BRB. Why?

Thor breaks Bill's leg.