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Most powerful version of Ultron vs Destroyer Armor. Who wins?

Destroyer

Ultron

Destroyer,,,,,,,,,destroys.

Destroyer armor

landslide for destroyer

Originally posted by TheHulk
Ultron

You're the only one who got it right.

I'm a big Ultron supporter, but what could he do here?

He can't damage the destroyer, who on the other hand would probably turn ultrpn into slagged metal.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'm a big Ultron supporter, but what could he do here?

He could do anything. He's a supremely intelligent being with an indestructible body. The uru metal will be difficult to bypass but it can be done. Destroyer is a powerhouse but not much of a thinker. Ultron has immense power and a mind to go with it. He would assimilate or destroy.

Originally posted by Odekahn
He could do anything. He's a supremely intelligent being with an indestructible body. The uru metal will be difficult to bypass but it can be done. Destroyer is a powerhouse but not much of a thinker. Ultron has immense power and a mind to go with it. He would assimilate or destroy.

Can you give some examples of how Ultron would win? Feed my imagination as i'm still not seeing this.

Like others here im having a hard time seeing Ultron stop the Destroyer altogether or stop it from wrecking him.

The Destroyer wins in a great fight.

destroyer.

Originally posted by Odekahn
He would assimilate or destroy.

How would he assimilate a magical armor? It's not a machine. Also, he can't destroy the destroyer.

Asgardian Destroyer stomps.

Tbh, I see a stalemate. Physically, neither one is going to damage, let alone destroy the other.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Tbh, I see a stalemate. Physically, neither one is going to damage, let alone destroy the other. I can't agree Destroyer has Damaged Mjolnir physical IMO even the the dam. version of ultron would get torn apart

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Tbh, I see a stalemate. Physically, neither one is going to damage, let alone destroy the other.

Here's my point, neither may be able to physically defeat the other, but Ultron would be able to process a plan to take the destroyer down while fighting. He has the clear advantage.

Does anyone here think that given prep Reed or Pym could devise a way to take down the destroyer? Well imagine an indestructible Pym on crack and you get Ultron.

How so? Him being smart is great, but unless he goes to prep away in some lab somewhere, in the midst of a fight, what does Ultron have on hand to take down the Destroyer?

Originally posted by Classic NES
How would he assimilate a magical armor? It's not a machine. Also, he can't destroy the destroyer.

Asgardian Destroyer stomps.

I just meant that he would try. I don't think it would work. So I think he'd go with plan b.

Pym and Reed have feats fighting and defeating magical enemies...

But without solid prep I can't see Ultron winning

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How so? Him being smart is great, but unless he goes to prep away in some lab somewhere, in the midst of a fight, what does Ultron have on hand to take down the Destroyer?

Because the longer the fight goes the more it favors Ultron. He is analizing and computing methods to defeat his foes. If Ultron can survive long enough (which he can) he will figure out a way to overcome.

The destroyers beam, even when fired from a mortal host, fried Thor. Straight up killed him with a brief flash. If that Visor stays open, Ultron won't last too much longer.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because the longer the fight goes the more it favors Ultron. He is analizing and computing methods to defeat his foes. If Ultron can survive long enough (which he can) he will figure out a way to overcome.

That's very vague.

Ultron is smart and capable, but again, in the middle of a fight against the Destroyer specifically, what does Ultron have on hand or has displayed to suggest him beating it outright?

Originally posted by Damborgson
The destroyers beam, even when fired from a mortal host, fried Thor. Straight up killed him with a brief flash. If that Visor stays open, Ultron won't last too much longer.

The destroyers attack is magic based, correct? So a feat of Ultron repelling magic might change your mind?

Originally posted by Odekahn
The destroyers attack is magic based, correct? So a feat of Ultron repelling magic might change your mind?

It better be a high end magic user. Otherwise it proves nothing.

Originally posted by Odekahn
The destroyers attack is magic based, correct? So a feat of Ultron repelling magic might change your mind?

Yes. Depends on the feat I guess. Even then, he'll have to be repelling the destroyer's mjolnir slicer beams too. The armor is freaking powerful. Ultron is too of course, I just don't think he'd win this one.

Ultron is Herald level at best, as where Destroyer ranges from Mid trans to high Cosmic depending on the host or number of souls. Destroyer will slag Ultorn with D beam.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Ultron is Herald level at best, as where Destroyer ranges from Mid trans to high Cosmic depending on the host or number of souls. Destroyer will slag Ultorn with D beam.

Ultron has easily pwned groups of heralds. I'd say both are trans, and there's not a host so that's not in the equation.

I have visions of Adamantium getting damaged here. I just cant come up with anyway for Ultron to win (unless we want to go for the cheap way out of claiming the host). If the Destroyer were a robot, then it would be different, but he's nothing but armour. When I think about this match, I have the Destroyer so much higher then Ultron that i'm struggling here.

Hey, I could be wrong and would easily accept it if I am.

Destroyer wins imo. He can actually damage Ultron severely but I don't believe Ultron has anything in his arsenal that can beat the Destroyer.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Ultron is Herald level at best, as where Destroyer ranges from Mid trans to high Cosmic depending on the host or number of souls. Destroyer will slag Ultorn with D beam.
The teams of heralds Ultron has beaten would say differently...

But the armor is a low skyfather in its own right....

IIRC the Destroyer's visor beam can actually ignore the first law of thermodynamics and completely destroy matter and energy from existence. I don't think adamantium can stand up to that.

After seeing what guys on Destroyer's level can do to America's shield, I have no doubt that the Destroyer would crush Ultron. Odin's constructions are just greater than mans.

Originally posted by Stoic
After seeing what guys on Destroyer's level can do to America's shield, I have no doubt that the Destroyer would crush Ultron. Odin's constructions are just greater than mans.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ultron has easily pwned groups of heralds. I'd say both are trans, and there's not a host so that's not in the equation.

False, Destroyer is a high trans to cosmic level the other Ultron is a high herald low trans still way below than Destroyer, the Destroyer with out a host still slag Ultron, Wonder Man crushed Ultron head and Destroyer is way stronger than Wonder Man any herald.

Destroyer will slag ultron it's that simple!

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The teams of heralds Ultron has beaten would say differently...

But the armor is a low skyfather in its own right....


Count Nefaria has done the same thing as Ultron, now are we going to say Count Nefaria can beat Destroyer. The Ultron to date was back in Annihilation Conquest and that Ultron was low trans, still not in the same league as Destroyer.

Depends on whether the Destroyer's disintegration beam can effect adamantium. If yes, Destroyer. If no, stalemate.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Ultron has easily pwned groups of heralds. I'd say both are trans, and there's not a host so that's not in the equation.


What? Doesn't there have to be a host in the armor for it to work? Unless you're allowing Ultron to just beat on a lifeless trinket here?
Can you explain this to me?


Ultron isn't beating the Destroyer guys. They are two different calibers of constructs. One was built to defend against high cosmic threats the other... well he's just not in the same league.

Originally posted by Stoic
What? Doesn't there have to be a host in the armor for it to work? Unless you're allowing Ultron to just beat on a lifeless trinket here?
Can you explain this to me?
No, the armor can fight by itself.

Originally posted by armedforbattle
No, the armor can fight by itself.

Is that right? Do you know of the instance that it worked without a host? I never knew this. Also what was the context behind this?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Depends on whether the Destroyer's disintegration beam can effect adamantium. If yes, Destroyer. If no, stalemate.


It's not a stalemate, Adamantinum can be melted lets not get ridiclous now. Asgardian Destroyer was design to battle the Celestial ans cosmic threat, Asgardian can battled Sky Fathers can Ultron? Asgardian can manipulate all forms of magic and has transmutation powers as well.

Let me know when Ultron can cause the mighty Odin or any sky father a pause, AD can kill sky fathers can Ultron?!

Originally posted by the Darkone
It's not a stalemate, Adamantinum can be melted lets not get ridiclous now. Asgardian Destroyer was design to battle the Celestial ans cosmic threat, Asgardian can battled Sky Fathers can Ultron? Asgardian can manipulate all forms of magic and has transmutation powers as well.

Let me know when Ultron can cause the mighty Odin or any sky father a pause, AD can kill sky fathers can Ultron?!

I know, like come on now, Galactus pulled the energy out of Ultron as if he were toying with a flea. Now I believe that Galactus would beat the Destroyer as well, but it wouldn't be as easily as he would deal with Ultron. These are two different classes or levels of constructs to be sure. The Destroyer wins this with a bit of effort.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know, like come on now, Galactus pulled the energy out of Ultron as if he were toying with a flea. Now I believe that Galactus would beat the Destroyer as well, but it wouldn't be as easily as he would deal with Ultron. These are two different classes or levels of constructs to be sure. The Destroyer wins this with a bit of effort.

Once the destroyer becomes destroyed, it can't transfer consciousness into something else only to come back. If Thor can hang, even for a bit, against the destroyer than so can Ultron. It's not JUST his adamantium, it's powerful force fields and the internal molecular rearranger that has to be over come.

And I have no problem with destroyer melting secondary adamantium, but he's not slagging primary.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Once the destroyer becomes destroyed, it can't transfer consciousness into something else only to come back. If Thor can hang, even for a bit, against the destroyer than so can Ultron. It's not JUST his adamantium, it's powerful force fields and the internal molecular rearranger that has to be over come.

And I have no problem with destroyer melting secondary adamantium, but he's not slagging primary.

Yes it will, how you can compare ultron molecular rearranger to the destroyer, where the destroyer was given a portion of sky fathers powers including the Odin force. Destroyer sliced Moljner with ease, it takes Thor to bfr destroyer, as its PIS when Thor fights ultron.

Destroyer will literally rip ultron apart and destroyer is powerful enough to do it!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Yes it will, how you can compare ultron molecular rearranger to the destroyer, where the destroyer was given a portion of sky fathers powers including the Odin force. Destroyer sliced Moljner with ease, it takes Thor to bfr destroyer, as its PIS when Thor fights ultron.

Destroyer will literally rip ultron apart and destroyer is powerful enough to do it!

Do you think Destroyer is physically stronger than the Hulk?

Originally posted by Stoic
Is that right? Do you know of the instance that it worked without a host? I never knew this. Also what was the context behind this?

When the destroyer was a herald of galactus, it didn't have a host in it. But it was really weak and got beat by thing iirc.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Do you think Destroyer is physically stronger than the Hulk?

as far as what it can press, idk but it hits way harder than most version and would be able to fight it out with even WBH. Its fists groove uru.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Once the destroyer becomes destroyed, it can't transfer consciousness into something else only to come back. If Thor can hang, even for a bit, against the destroyer than so can Ultron. It's not JUST his adamantium, it's powerful force fields and the internal molecular rearranger that has to be over come.

And I have no problem with destroyer melting secondary adamantium, but he's not slagging primary.

One question. Did you see what happened to America's shield when the Serpent hit it? The Destroyer, has the kind of power that it would take to eventually rip even primary adamantium apart. Forcefields? They can be overcome by sufficient might. Another thing that the Destroyer has in spades. In the beginning it may appear that Ultron would be able to hang with the Destroyer, but the superior substance would win, and the Destroyer is composed of sterner stuff than even Mjolnir. This is why Odin's tech would win 10/10 against the inferior man made substance.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Once the destroyer becomes destroyed, it can't transfer consciousness into something else only to come back. If Thor can hang, even for a bit, against the destroyer than so can Ultron. It's not JUST his adamantium, it's powerful force fields and the internal molecular rearranger that has to be over come.

And I have no problem with destroyer melting secondary adamantium, but he's not slagging primary. the Odinpower has be shown to destroyer cap's sheild and Wolverine's bones, The destroyer is made from the combine energies of muiltple skyfather including Odin himself it should have no problem slag adam since it already damaged uru which is know part of capt's sehild to make it stronger

If the Destroyer can cut through Mjolnir, chances are it can cut through Adamantium.

Enchanted Uru was even able to "upgrade" Captain America's shield.

Originally posted by Damborgson
When the destroyer was a herald of galactus, it didn't have a host in it. But it was really weak and got beat by thing iirc. Galactus pulled his power out of the Destroyer in that that fight. iirc

Yea, I remember that. Galactus did pull his power out of the Destroyer in the end there, Thing didn't actually beat it.

It was however much weaker than before. IIRC Loki snuck into Galactus' ship and retrieved the Destroyer, while doing so he commented that he would restore the armor to it's former glory/true power or whatever. I don't remember for sure whether it was because it was hostless or because the Power Cosmic interfered with Asgardian enchantment.

I don't think the two mix very well, Stormbreaker lost it's worthy enchantment when Odin allowed Surfer to help cure Bill.

This entire thread is speculation

Originally posted by Raisen
This entire thread is speculation


What do you mean, Asgardian destroyer is superior than Ultron period, Ultron would have to receive Sky Father level power to beat it, where Thor has too BFR it almost all the time.

Originally posted by the Darkone
What do you mean, Asgardian destroyer is superior than Ultron period, Ultron would have to receive Sky Father level power to beat it, where Thor has too BFR it almost all the time.

It's all speculation. Can Mjolnir defeat Adamantium? How is Adamantium compared to the Destroyer? Magic or Science? Etc........

Originally posted by Raisen
It's all speculation. Can Mjolnir defeat Adamantium? How is Adamantium compared to the Destroyer? Magic or Science? Etc........ Nothing has been definitively proven.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, I remember that. Galactus did pull his power out of the Destroyer in the end there, Thing didn't actually beat it.

It was however much weaker than before. IIRC Loki snuck into Galactus' ship and retrieved the Destroyer, while doing so he commented that he would restore the armor to it's former glory/true power or whatever. I don't remember for sure whether it was because it was hostless or because the Power Cosmic interfered with Asgardian enchantment.

I don't think the two mix very well, Stormbreaker lost it's worthy enchantment when Odin allowed Surfer to help cure Bill.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2116o14.jpg

It was literally just a husk powered by what would be seen as herald level power from Galactus. There's no reason it would be weaker.

Originally posted by Raisen
It's all speculation. Can Mjolnir defeat Adamantium? How is Adamantium compared to the Destroyer? Magic or Science? Etc........ .


It's not speculation f you know what you are talking about, enchant Destroyer armor can cut the uru which is the hammer is made of, the destroyer is powered by multiple sky fathers plus Odin, Ultron has been destroyed before by hearld level beings as where Destroyer has been destroyed by high end cosmic.

When was adamantium Ultron destroyed?

Plus the destroyer does have this other neat trick it can call on if need be...

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/destroyer2.jpg

depending on whether or not the user is experienced of course

So basically that isn't happening in this thread.

Cool.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Plus the destroyer does have this other neat trick it can call on if need be...

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/destroyer2.jpg

depending on whether or not the user is experienced of course


.... There's no host.

And can anyone show me proof that uru is more durable than primary adamantium?

Originally posted by Odekahn
.... There's no host.

So are you just making it so it can somehow function without a life force or something?

Originally posted by Mindset
So basically that isn't happening in this thread.

Cool.
It might http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/awecraz.gif

Lol

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i39.tinypic.com/2116o14.jpg

It was literally just a husk powered by what would be seen as herald level power from Galactus. There's no reason it would be weaker.

Thor #264 or #265 Loki retrieves the Destroyer and comments that he would restore it to it's full former glory.

Yeah in #265 he states "...and transported him once more back to the realm eternal where I restored him to the very peak of his power then held him in readiness until such time as he might be needed."

I personally don't think Galactus would make the DA weaker than normal, but I haven't read the F4 issues in a long while.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah in #265 he states "...and transported him once more back to the realm eternal where I restored him to the very peak of his power then held him in readiness until such time as he might be needed."

I personally don't think Galactus would make the DA weaker than normal, but I haven't read the F4 issues in a long while.

Yeah sounds about right. I don't remember it going into detail but Balder is used a host and the Destroyer fights Thor in a pretty epic battle.

Same, I don't even remember if it came off as weaker than normal but Loki's explanation pointed that way so that's what I'm going with.

Probably just sour that it wasn't under Asgard control

Plus, it literally had no power at all, as it was just a husk unless Galactus was actively controlling it. It makes no sense that it changed in power level.

Thing just had a high feat, that's it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Probably just sour that it wasn't under Asgard control

Plus, it literally had no power at all, as it was just a husk unless Galactus was actively controlling it. It makes no sense that it changed in power level.

Thing just had a high feat, that's it.

That's not what Loki implied. And it was probably mentioned to explain it's weaker showing more than anything tbh, so I'm going to go with it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Probably just sour that it wasn't under Asgard control

Plus, it literally had no power at all, as it was just a husk unless Galactus was actively controlling it. It makes no sense that it changed in power level.

Thing just had a high feat, that's it.

I'd imagine Galactus used the Destroyer Armor at its normal power levels and Thing slapping it around is a crazy feat for Thing and a low showing for the Armor. At least if that's what happened. I don't remember the specifics of the F4 issue.

I can live with that. I honestly can't think of many low showings for the Armor anyway and that one is quickly obliterated in favor for its overwhelming history.

I don't even know why we have to accept any low showing just because it negatively reflects on Galactus. Loki directly said that he would restore the armor once again to it's peak, which pretty much suggests the Herald was a poor man's version.

My no-prize answer that without a true host, it wasn't firing on all cylinders.

Anyways, bed time, got work blah.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not what Loki implied. And it was probably mentioned to explain it's weaker showing more than anything tbh, so I'm going to go with it. It makes no sense though. It implies Galactus who has the greatest tech in the universe lowered its base power as a husk, when his only muddying with the Destroyer was empowering it when he wanted with herald level life force/power cosmic.


Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd imagine Galactus used the Destroyer Armor at its normal power levels and Thing slapping it around is a crazy feat for Thing and a low showing for the Armor. At least if that's what happened. I don't remember the specifics of the F4 issue.

I can live with that. I honestly can't think of many low showings for the Armor anyway and that one is quickly obliterated in favor for its overwhelming history. It was just a low showing for the armor/high showing for Thing. Though all Thing managed to do was take some shots...

I can understand not liking the feat, but I can't understand how it got weaker since it would have been the same as the armor just standing around Asgard not being used.

Unless the armor gets weaker outside of Asgard...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't even know why we have to accept any low showing just because it negatively reflects on Galactus. Loki directly said that he would restore the armor once again to it's peak, which pretty much suggests the Herald was a poor man's version.

My no-prize answer that without a true host, it wasn't firing on all cylinders.

Anyways, bed time, got work blah. It doesn't reflect on Galactus at all.

The host part makes sense, but it was just a husk.

Bro, it looked weaker than usual. Loki clearly implied that it was weaker than usual and said he'd restore it to it's former glory. Then it faced Thor and performed at the level you expect.

Just write it off as comic bullshit and move on. Maybe a portion of even Galactus' life force is no substitute for a true soul, I don't know, whatever, who cares.

Accept it and move on like all of Mindset's victims. Anyways I'm going to sleep, goodnight nerds.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It was just a low showing for the armor/high showing for Thing. Though all Thing managed to do was take some shots...

I can understand not liking the feat, but I can't understand how it got weaker since it would have been the same as the armor just standing around Asgard not being used.

Unless the armor gets weaker outside of Asgard...

Ah, okay. I know the fight is somewhere in the DA's respect thread, but I'm lazy atm.

I personally don't think the DA was made weaker by Galactus (seems counter productive as he "recruited" the armor because of its power and lack of morals) in intent, but as far as the execution of the story, it seemed that way due to how Thing fared against it.

Maybe Wein (the writer/editor for the Thor issue where Loki takes the armor back) felt that he needed to have Loki say he's going to restore its power to save face for the low showing for the armor in F4.

In any case, I'm cool with the feat either way you slice it as it doesn't really effect the armor's standing at all as a whole.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bro, it looked weaker than usual. Loki clearly implied that it was weaker than usual and said he'd restore it to it's former glory. Then it faced Thor and performed at the level you expect.

Just write it off as comic bullshit and move on. Maybe a portion of even Galactus' life force is no substitute for a true soul, I don't know, whatever, who cares.

Accept it and move on like all of Mindset's victims. Anyways I'm going to sleep, goodnight nerds. Shut up

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ah, okay. I know the fight is somewhere in the DA's respect thread, but I'm lazy atm.

I personally don't think the DA was made weaker by Galactus (seems counter productive as he "recruited" the armor because of its power and lack of morals) in intent, but as far as the execution of the story, it seemed that way due to how Thing fared against it.

Maybe Wein (the writer/editor for the Thor issue where Loki takes the armor back) felt that he needed to have Loki say he's going to restore its power to save face for the low showing for the armor in F4.

In any case, I'm cool with the feat either way you slice it as it doesn't really effect the armor's standing at all as a whole. Thing was only hit 4 times by the Destroyer with physical attacks. Two were charges.

Which doesn't make sense in that the Destroyer was well, the Destroyer, and that it was powered by like herald level power to boot. So Thing should have been shredded even with those few hits. Meh.

The only way it makes sense that the Destroyer was weakened is that it gets weaker outside of Asgard since no tinkering was done at all on it, and I'm sure no one wants to take that route... except maybe H1.

It was just a high feat/low feat is all.

I just read that Thing vs. Destroyer comic recently. Basically the facts are:

- Thing was actually without powers, but wearing the suit of power armor Reed made to replicate his powers, so he was actually weaker than normal by a bit

- The Destroyer had already done its job of locating Counter-Earth for Galactus and didn't even seem to care about fighting the Thing, and was basically just letting Ben smack him around since it's not like Ben could actually hurt him.

- Halfway through the fight Galactus reabsorbed the small amount of power he had put into the Destroyer and that caused it to collapse, making Thing think he had beaten it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If the Destroyer can cut through Mjolnir, chances are it can cut through Adamantium.

Enchanted Uru was even able to "upgrade" Captain America's shield.

I still want to see proof of primary adamantium being destroyed by physical force.

And just because enchanted uru upgrades something doesn't mean anything. It could just change its properties vs mystical means or have any other alternate additional effects. It doesn't mean it's more durable. How can you upgrade indestructible?

Originally posted by Odekahn
I still want to see proof of primary adamantium being destroyed by physical force.

And just because enchanted uru upgrades something doesn't mean anything. It could just change its properties vs mystical means or have any other alternate additional effects. It doesn't mean it's more durable. How can you upgrade indestructible? Nuul destroyed adamantium
Morlun destroyed adamantium
Ultron's molecular doodad malfunctioned due to Scarlet Witch and it shredded his body.
We could also add the times Cap's shield has been broken too.

Uru on its own has been carved by Thor's own hands. It's the enchantment that gives Uru its durability.

Do we see adamantium as so far above Thor's hammer that a Destroyer blast wouldn't effect it? I don't see why

has someone said that the net hulk broke was NOT primary adamantium somewhere.....?

as far as uru--uroc was shattered by that specialized cop team in thor when they hit him with liquid nitrogen iirc. cap's shield>prim adamantium>uru

uru becomes harder though via enchantment so thor's hammer is pretty close to primary adamantium imo.

and i agree with bran--the thing/destroyer fight was a high/low feat. ben has also given hulk hell more than once, not to mention champion. ben DOES have some awesome feats in his past of fighting people he has no right matching. i'll not rule out the idea that the fact that the host was missing played a role though.

as far as this fight-i think the destroyer would eventually take him. the beams have easily scarred mjolnir. i think the combo of beams+physical power (maestro destroyer appeared leagues beyond hulk) would end ultron, whereas i see nothing that ultron has being able to seriously affect the armor.

What if Ultron bites the Destroyer?

Speculation?............

No it's not

Originally posted by Mindset
What if Ultron bites the Destroyer?

Disqualification